This is an archive of past discussions with User:Kingboyk. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
Why did you delete this using "speedy deletion"? The Society is quite possibly the foremost authority on British Roads, and the SABRE name has been mentioned in the media a few times - certainly, enough to give it notability.
I request that you either revert your deletion, or place the matter up for discussion.
SriMesh | talk 03:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)==Adminship==
I've never found the energy to get through the nomination process. However it is become a bit annoying not having the key abilities. You are not the first to suggest this. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk)09:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Feel free. I won't be doing it though, I'm working on technical/bot stuff and I've not been involved with the WikiProject enough to know what's been happening anyway. --kingboyk (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I am aided by Twinkle and do review the history every image manually before deleting it - this specific plugin lets me view them at high speed and this one deletes them. My RfA is located here, and you can edit my user page if you want, it's just located here - although I'd prefer it be left alone. :-) east.718at 00:46, January 22, 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 00:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry? I advised you not to stand again. How is it my fault? And since when has it been out of order for a Wikipedian to ask an admin for his/her credentials? --kingboyk (talk) 01:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
You were the person who originally brought up the issue, IIRC. It's not out of order, I just recommend you do it privately. I doubt East wants or needs a reconfirmation drama. Keilana|Parlez ici01:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I mentioned your renaming on your talk page, that is true. Whether the thread at RFA developed because of that or independently of it I have absolutely no idea. I was amazed at the turn of events as you were.
I don't in general approve of admins being renamed without leaving behind redirects from their old identity and without a link to RFA, and if I find admins who have no visible credentials in the future I may well challenge them. I conduct my wiki business, warts and all, on wiki. That includes asking for credentials. (Note: An easy way around this would be for admins who've had to change ID because of harassment to simply state that on their user page. Harrassment of volunteer admins is a terrible thing, and nobody begrudges username changes in those cases.) --kingboyk (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism?
Why are you deleting everything I make. You're really pissing me off.
It's hard to see why you were making large and complex changes to someone else's wikipage without discussion. However, I am aware that I use vandalism in edit summaries a bit too easily, and probably shouldn't here. What the hell IS going on here, anyway? I was asked to look at page changes, and seem to have stepped into some sort of war. Adam Cuerdentalk01:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
No war, just several people looking at the same page at the same time and causing a big mess (mostly my fault). See User talk:Prodego for perhaps the best explanation. Sorry. (There was discussion, btw, but an admin's user page which is hidden and which makes my browser go right to left just isn't acceptable imho... Decided to act on it - and would have left it if he reverted me - but unfortunately others stepped in). Again, sorry about that, the important thing now is to make sure he has a user page! --kingboyk (talk) 01:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC) (e/c)
K, thanks :) I'll take a look tommorow if it's still red; I'm pretty good at merging histories and what not. --kingboyk (talk) 01:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC) (e/c)
Me too, but frankly 4 nearly identical pages simultaneously in existence will be nearly impossible to salvage. Now what we could do is get a database dump, and reconstruct from that, but the en.wiki ones fail a lot. Prodegotalk01:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Me too quite frankly. It was rather amazing. The page name was backwards, and when I pasted it into another window it totally f*cked up the edit box. Was a transclusion ending in a /. Very strange. --kingboyk (talk) 01:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually already finished the Libya and Eritrea banners. Will be going out myself on the various articles tagged for the other deprecated banners myself. Some of the projects already engage in their own assessments, and they might be less willing, at least initially, to use the Africa banner, and there might be a problem of category equivalence in some cases. I don't think that they'd object to having their banner removed if another relevant AfricaProject is involved and they can get their assessments with the same banner, though. And I sent you the cover letter of the letter from Sealand. The attachments are several hundred K long, though and it might be easier to forward them to you. John Carter (talk) 16:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if you realize, but this page is protected. In addition, the {{fact}} you removed was for a controversial claim - that these "downgraded" highways are in fact "decommissioned". --NE211:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not controversial. It's a petty argument over the title of the article, not the encyclopedic content. Likewise, the references don't prove that the term is acceptable as an article title and don't refer to roads at all; as such they are useful for advancing arguments on the talk page but not relevant in the article. It's rarely necessary to reference a dictionary in an encyclopedia article.
I hadn't noticed it was protected though, thanks for pointing it out. Let's see if we can get it unprotected, it's been protected long enough.
Any more messages about this on the article talk page please. I don't take my edits personally and prefer to use this page to discuss matters which concern me personally. Thanks. --kingboyk (talk) 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I see your nomination of Template:GR today, and I'd ask you to look at my proposal. If you like it, would you be willing to find someone with the technical knowhow to try it out? Nyttend (talk) 16:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it's ego, since I've been heavily involved in the article, but I'm baffled as to why it is only rated "start class." I'm writing to you because you inserted the entry classifying it as such.
It's certainly longer than the Britannica's five paragraphs, and I think it's obviously more complete and more comprehensive.
Dr. Clarice Stasz has called the article "sophisticated and well-researched" here and recommends it to students. She's a recognized Jack London scholar, author of two biographical books about London; I've never met her, I'm not a colleague or student of hers, and she's had no involvement in the article. Dpbsmith(talk)22:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, Armatura rated it start here, on 5 April 2007. At that point, the article looked like this, ie. much as it does today. Clearly not a start article. Changing to B-class but would encourage a review for GA or FA status. Carcharoth (talk) 01:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Deletion of Nick Counter.
I am just curious to know why the Nick Counter page was deleted. It is of no immediate concern to me, just simple curiousity. Thank you. Polarbear97 (talk) 18:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Another editor has added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Talk:Ad·ver·sary, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at [[Talk:Talk:Ad·ver·sary|its talk page]]. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 03:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Please undele the article. You deleted it because it didn't assert significance. I think I can do it but I don't wan't to start fresh. Please reply on my talk page. Editorofthewiki (talk) 21:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikiproject Beatles banner picture
Hi. I noticed you added the current picture to one of the banners for the Beatles Wikiproject. This image is of a boulevard in Paris, not Abbey Road; the similarity is incidental. Can't a better picture be found, so that a British band isn't represented by a French setting? Robert K S (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Chamberlin (music)
Should have stayed the way it was per guidelines, there's no way in hell Chamberlin the instrument should come up as the first page when there are other articles and people with that name galore.Awotter (talk) 04:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Bot auto assessed an article as featured
Any idea what happened here? I presume that is a mistake of some sort. Could you check the bot didn't slip up anywhere else? I found that while compiling User:Carcharoth/Featured articles needing regular updates, in case you are interested. Any ideas on how to extract and stick dates next to the single-person biography lists? I'd be interested in mini-groupings of 20th-century, 19th-century, classical Greek/Roman, etc. biographies, if possible. I'm sticking to cross-referencing with "Living people" first. Carcharoth (talk) 01:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I misread the page history. It was the IP here who added the FA tag. Your bot wasn't to blame - sorry about that! I've removed the FA-tag. Carcharoth (talk) 10:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Separating out group biographies and single-person biographies
I suggested this before at the talk page {{WPBiography}}, but I don't think anything got done. Category:FA-Class biography articles, like all the WP 1.0 assessment categories, includes featured lists, which I want to separate out. Easily done (eg. using CatScan) but still annoying to have stuff mixed up like that. More specific to WPBiography is the mixing up of group articles (in this case music group articles) with single-person biographies. It is the latter I wanted to extract, and that took a while, especially as the "musicians" category includes both single-person musician biographes and music group "biographies". I suspect this is a historical feature due to the set up of WPBiography being done by you - is this right? I have no problems with music groups being included in WPBiography, but I do wish they could be filtered out more easily. Music groups are not the only examples of "group" articles, of course, but they are the most common, I think. Would you be able to help roll out a "group" parameter for use in WPBiography? Or failing that, the more ambitious proposal I made here? Carcharoth (talk) 11:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Mohammed Al Amin. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sarfraz Ahmed (unnumbered Guantanamo captive). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Abdur Rahim (unnumbered Guantanamo detainee). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
When you are back online I would still appreciate you drawing my attention to the location of the discussion that preceded these deletions. Geo Swan (talk) 02:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this how administrators are supposed to use their deletion powers?
I see you are back from your wikibreak. As I noted above I raised my concern about these eight deletions on WP:AN/I. A number of people felt sure you deleted these articles after they had been properly tagged by someone else.
In the interest of clarity -- you did perform these deletions without a second set of eyes, correct?
We are all volunteers here. No one should feel terrible for realizing they made a mistake. AGF. I am going to assume the reason you haven't offered an explanation for your deletions is not that you don't feel accountable -- that there is some other reason. Geo Swan (talk) 04:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I have described the queries I have left you as civil queries. I believe they are civil queries and I am frankly mystified that you have not offered me a civil, meaningful reply. Geo Swan (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I remain mystified as to why you haven't responded to my queries
I continue to be completely mystified as to why you don't seem to feel an obligation to respond to civil queries.
The wikipedia community conditionally entrusts administrators with extra powers -- correct?
I believe that trust is conditional upon administrators exercising that authority responsibly and accountably.
I urge you to consider that your unwillingness to reply gives the appearance that you are unwilling to be held accountable for actions you have taken. Geo Swan (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I remain mystified as to why you haven't responded to my queries. I continue to believe that the responsible exercice of the authority entrusted to you obliges you to exercise that authority accountably -- and I think this means you have an obligation to answer civil queries. Geo Swan (talk) 04:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Note, he is quite busy in real life with work and such. You only have to look at his contribs to see he's only made 2 edits in the last couple of weeks or so. —Reedy11:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
And, as I noted in my reply to the correspondent on my talk page, I first asked for clarification almost six months ago. Kingboyk's contribution history, and administrator logs may suggest he is busy, IRL, and that the available time to spend on the wikipedia may have had limits. But he has returned to both editiing, and exercising his administrator powers, repeatedly, in the last five and three quarter months, making hundreds of edits and exercising his administrator powers dozens of times
Sorry, I do not accept the argument that busyness in real life should permit a wikipedia contributor to avoid the obligation to hold himself or herself accountable to their fellow contributors.
On the contrary, I believe those with time constraints should budget their time so they can fulfill their obligations on those project they do start. The proper reaction to time constraints from our real life activities is to initiate fewer projects -- not to initiate the same number of projects, and then use time constraints as the justification for failing to follow through and letting the obligation to be accountable for our actions slide. Geo Swan (talk) 22:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Kingboyk, there are clearly intelligent wikipedia contributors who value your contributions.
They have told me they know you are busy, in real life.
And I suggested that no matter how busy you are in real life this should not be a justification for acting unaccountably.
I believe my questions about your exercise of your authority have been completely civil. I believe that if you agree that administrators should exercise the authority the community entrust to them openly and accountably you should have a good reason for not trying to answer the concerns I have raised.
Since the deletion log shows you returned to the wikipedia today I am mystified why you chose to perform deletions, rather than addressing the concerns I first raised six months ago. Geo Swan (talk) 03:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Did you realize it has been over six months?
Did you realize it has been over six months since I first asked for your help understanding why, last fall, you deleted a series of articles I started?
I see from your contribution log that you were online on July 24th -- six months to the day since I first asked you for help understanding your exercise of your deletion powers.
I really do remain mystified why you haven't budgeted the time to draft a meaningful civil reply.
It is coming up on seven months since I first asked you to take the time to explain yourself. I continue to be mystified that you haven't found the time to reply to my questions. I believe I have remained civil, and I am at a loss to understand you. Geo Swan (talk) 03:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Did you realize it has been over seven months?
It has been over seven months since I first asked you to help me understand the concerns that triggered your series of deletions.
Yes, it has been a long time - so perhaps you should stop trying to bother a minimally active admin and instead take it up with WP:DRV. The fact that you're still here illustrates that your main interest doesn't lie in the articles themselves, but is actually in trying to start internet drama. Wickethewok (talk) 02:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I believe all my attempts to seek an explanation have been completely civil.
I'd like to make sure I understand what you are saying.
Are you disputing whether all wikipedians entrusted with administrator authority should hold themselves accountable for their exercise of that authority?
Are you suggesting that wikipedians entrusted with administrator authority -- who consider themselves too busy in real life -- don't have to exercise their authority in an accountable manner?
It has now been over a year since you deleted these articles. I continue to be mystified that you haven't responded to my requests for an explanation of your actions. Geo Swan (talk) 23:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Joan Sinclair. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Geo Swan (talk) 23:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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Defamation Badfinger issue
Steve, I have an odd issue I'm hoping you can assist me with. There is a person who has created a website full of unfounded speculations about Badfinger, as well as apparent defamation about the book author and the family of Pete Ham. Virgin Media has already once removed the website from its servers because of the defamation issue, but the webhost has put it back up on another server. He is now linking to it from the Badfinger Wiki article, and I suspect he will not easily surrender should I begin deleting this link. Is there any way Wiki can block his website - if they also deem it to be defamatory? Thanks. ZincOrbie (talk) 18:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I saw User:Kingbotk/Plugin, not quite sure I understand that, but perhaps you are the right person to ask about this. Many talkpages that are already tagged with {{WikiProject Theatre}} have no rating for quality, but are already rated as such by other talkpage WikiProject templates. Is there a way for your bot, Kingbotk (talk·contribs), to go through, check if the talk page contains ratings for quality in the other talkpage templates, and just add that exact same rating for the {{WikiProject Theatre}} template on that same talkpage? Would really appreciate it, it would help with my eventual work on Portal:Theatre, and identifying the quality content in WP:WikiProject Theatre. Cirt (talk) 08:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Demery.
I have found some misinformation regarding your entry for Thomas Demery. I have some information that would shed better light on the facts of this entry. How would you prefer I go about changing the entry? Would you like me to send you the information, or shall I make the corrections myself? --Zndc (talk) 19:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I see that you have a talent for music articles, and am wondering whether you wouldn't mind taking a look at the above. Progress has effectively been stalled by an editor who apparently has a personal obsession with the subject that borders on the monomaniacal. Currently the main problem is one of undue weight - although there are numerous other issues as well. I've now sought input from univolved parties on the wikiproject music page, and am also putting together an RFC on the subject. However, I think the situation could also benefit from whatever insights you might be willing to provide. --Gene_poole (talk) 02:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Albert Féraud
Hello Kingboyk. I noticed you speedy deleted Albert Féraud, claiming he is not notable. Could you please undelete the article? There are articles on him on the de wiki and fr wiki. I'll see what I can do to spruce it up from there. Editorofthewiki10:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
At your leisure, please review, and provide suggestions that would improve the entry. Beat 'Em Up was the third Iggy product I'd ever purchased -- after The Idiot back in the seventies and Raw Power after a manager at cbgb's berated me for knowing more about the Sex Pistols than the Stooges -- and I've been a die-hard fan since then.
Around two years ago in 2006, you started a discussion whether Girls/Memphis Bells is worthy of its own article. I still think its an issue, so I've kind of resurrected the discussion on the talk page. If you could take another look and chime in again, I'd appreciate it. Drewcifer (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
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As I understand it, ordinary wikipedians who think an article should be restored to main article space are encouraged to contact the administrator who deleted the article first.
I am completely mystified as to why you have not responded to my earlier queries.
I would like Hamid al-Razak restored to the main article space. As a courtesy,
I am asking you to perform the main-space restoration, before making this request at WP:DRV.
Due to a personal riff between Ms. LeDoux and myself, I am avowed not to edit her biographical article. You may note, however, that it was her edits you reverted late last year. I see she has recently (in the last two months) reintroduced those edits. I don't care either way, but her editing style is not exactly up to WP standards, nor is it exactly kosher for her to be maintaining her own article anyway. Geolocating 212.186.17.85 shows that it originates in Austria, her (and my) current country of residence, and a message (to me) on this IP's talk page seals the deal. Please use your judgment accordingly. --Otheus (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Kingbotk plugin source
I was wondering if the source code for your plugin is available somewhere. I was curious because I've started running a bot that does wikiproject tagging using it and in the event that someone requests tagging involving extra parameters you haven't provided programatic support for it would be much more convenient for everyone involved if I could add it myself instead of asking you to do it.--Dycedargж18:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
your deletion of the Clark Gesner page
Hello, I represent the family and estate of Clark Gesner and it has been brought to our attention that his biography has been removed from Wikipedia and this is of great concern to us. He was a most talented and well respected man in the theatre world, his body of work is archived in the library of Princeton University, and he is best known for his musical comedy, "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" which is the most produced play in the world each year, according to Tams Widmark. We would like to know what reasons you had for eliminating this biography from Wikipedia, as it is performed in community theatre and schools across this country and others and is only fitting that he be represented here. What did you disagree with perhaps? Were there errors in his biography? People from all over the world came to his memorial service, and respected and well-known actors, singers and musicians performed in honor of him. He was significant enough to have received a full-page obituary in the New York Times, and yet Wikipedia does not find him worthy of mention in their esteemed database? We find this disconcerting. Please correspond with us on your reasoning and perhaps we can come to some understanding and resolve this matter so that he can be returned to his rightful place. I look forward to hearing from you on this matter. Sincerely, Willow wren (talk) 13:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Although I don't have any personal connection to the late Clark Gesner, I am similarly curious as to why his entry has been deleted from Wikipedia. The assertions above are quite correct -- Gesner wrote one of the most successful and beloved musical comedies of all time, and is eminently deserving of a Wikipedia entry. Would you mind showing me the deleted entry, so I might construct a more lasting attempt? Yours, Jack Lechner (jhlechner@gmail.com)--74.64.101.195 (talk) 05:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Copies of deleted articles
Dear Kingboyk,
Could you please provide me with copies of the articles Pamela J. Ball and Philip H. Farber? I would like to work on them some more and try to bring them up to Wiki standards. Thank you. Rosencomet (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Replaceable fair use Image:Middlebridge_Scimitar.jpg
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moved from userpage
"Dr Kitty (talk) 00:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)When you get the change can you please provide me with a copy of the "Havet Research" article which was deleted. Any help here would be appreciated." (LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC))
"(→Biography: I've just watched his speech and he couldn't even remember Johnson's name (nor, evidently, was the winner known at the time))"
His speech was during the ceremony that announced the mayor results. The results were declared, and then the mayoral candidates spoke in order of votes. Barnbrook certainly knew the result of the mayoral vote, as he spoke after Johnson. The results of the *assembly* vote were not known at that time, they were announced about half an hour later. 212.183.134.209 (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, how strange. I watched his speech (and the others of course) on the BBC website. He forgot Johnson's name for a moment, but talked about Livingston and Johnson as though the winner wasn't yet known. I must have misunderstood somehow :/ Thanks for letting me know anyway. --kingboyk (talk) 21:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Could you please share the source for the Kingbotk project banner plugin? I was hoping to write a new AWB plug-in and this would really help me get started. I looked for a VB.NET plugin, but all the ones shipped with AWB were written in C#. There is a mention of a VB.NET plugin, WPAssessmentsCatCreator on the plugin page, but I could not find it on SourceForge. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk)03:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The WPAssessmentsCatCreator was removed a few revisions ago, but if you check back in the log you would be able to find it. C# isnt that much different from VB, tbh... And AWB will do the basic layout of the plugin code to get you started... —Reedy11:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Reedy, Thanks for the info. I checked out WPAssessmentsCatCreator from the logs. It was very useful. I still need the Kingbotk plugin source code since it is more advanced and is close to what I intend to create. Could either of you please give me a read access to the SVN or e-mail me the source-code? Thanks, Ganeshk (talk)11:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Renfrewshire Youth Voice
My contribution Renfrewshire Youth Voice was deleted.
I am currently in talks with users of why and how to prevent this in future, however may i have a copy of the content of the page so i may edit it so i don't have to start from scratch. KrizzyB (talk) 14:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Beaulieu.gif. You've indicated that the image is being used under a claim of fair use, but you have not provided an adequate explanation for why it meets Wikipedia's requirements for such images. In particular, for each page the image is used on, the image must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Can you please check
That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for each article the image is used in.
That every article it is used on is linked to from its description page.
Just downloaded everything necessary for awb. But I don't see where to start the program. (No desktop icon,start menu has nothing) Does it start automatically? I would hate to download something and found I couldn't use it a second time.It's currently on because I activated its exe file right from where I extracted it to.Help!I am approved.Xp54321 (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Already answered on my page. Please note there is no need to duplicate this around all the developer pages, we generally watch each others pages to answer questions if necessary. —Reedy15:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Alan Goodrick (Gimpo) M25.jpg
Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 19:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Problems
OK, I've had enough of this. Will someone PLEASE tell this user (Ultraviolet scissor flame) to stop? He has had his bit of fun, but he needs to be told that this can not go on. Just look at what he is doing now... I truly believe that he has a personal bias against Paul McCartney, and pretends to be a "newbie", but as anyone can see, he is not. This message will posted on various pages. --andreasegde (talk) 23:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Avoiding notability
Hi, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at two accounts:
Seems they're avoiding WP:N by creating article/user accounts and I've already warned Country of Nordic on his vandalism. I think Wikipedia would want them closed down - any suggestions?
My article, Girl drama got deleted. I want to get access to the deleted content so that I can edit it in order to make it qualified for the wikipedia inclusion standards, or if all else fails, post it in another wiki. Can you please provide me with the article's text. Thank you. Jubeh (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for creating the plugin, im currently trying to organise a bot for Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming, taging articles with the banner and assessing them as stub class if the article has been listed as a stub. I was under the impression that your plug in would automaticly assess the article as stub if it was indeed a stub article. If i turn the 'auto stub' function of it just seems to tag every article as a stub even if it's not listed as a stub. Is there somthing i'm doing wrong? Or have i misunderstood the concept of the feature. Ive got an example to show you [[3]]. This article isnt a stub and its gone and marked it as a stub because i have that feature turned on..If you can help me i would appreciate it. My bot is under trial, so ill need to get this worked out before its approved.
Cheers Printer222 (talk) 03:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The cached version doesn't indicate that the article had been {{prod}}ded or had a speedy deletion tag applied to it. I'd like to ask you to clarify whether you unilaterally deleted this article, or whether a second set of eyes had looked at it, and applied a deletion tag, and you merely completed the deletion.
One of the side-effects of your earlier unilateral stealth deletions last fall drew to my attention is a weakness in the way the wikipedia's deletion log is updated. When an administrator, like you, makes a unilateral stealth deletion, and records that deletion in the deletion log with a WP:CSD tag, it spoofs the record to look like the deletion was the completion of speedy deletion, where two sets of eyes looked at the deletion.
I guess it must be clear to you that I strongly disagree with administrators like you using their power to unilaterally delete articles unless that deletion is required to address an actual emergency.
Without regard to whether this concern of mine is misplaced or meaningful I strongly urge you to consider a way to record these deletions in a way that makes clear no one else looked at the deletion, that you weren't completing a speedy deletion.
I am going to remind you that the deletion policies and guidelines recommend informing the person who started an article, and its major contributors, when you place a deletion tag.
I am going to remind you that when administrators unilaterally delete an article the article creator will not learn that their work was deleted.
I found it extremely unpleasant to learn you deleted eight articles I started, without givingt me any notice, recording those deletions in the deletion log as if you were merely concluding a speedy deletion initiated by someone else.
Without regard to your opinion with my concern that administrators should reserve unilateral deletion for genuine emergencies I ask you to consider advising the article creator. I used the term stealth deletions -- because the article creators don't learn about the deletion, and the deletion log implies the deletion was a mundane conclusion of a WP:CSD. If administrators who perform unilateral deletions inform the article creator those deletions are not stealth deletions. Geo Swan (talk) 02:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Renegade editor
Have you been following the discussion at User talk:Koavf concerning the editor who is staging a one-man edit war concerning The Beatles? As an administrator, can you add your input? Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Request for Kingbotk
Would it be possible to get the bot to go through all the articles that transclude {{gymnastics-bio-stub}} and add {{WikiProject Gymnastics|importance=|class=Stub|auto=yes}} to their talk pages if absent? I guess it should also add {{WPBiography}} if missing I fear the concept of going through all 650 odd by hand :) Thanks! -- ratarsed (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Yoko Ono plans to appeal a failed lawsuit against a filmmaker who used a piece of footage from the Imagine (film) without permission. US District Judge Sidney Stein found in favour of the filmmakers based on Fair use. (Interesting for Wikipedia editors...)
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It's been a while, but the newsletter's back! After a short discussion on the project talk page, seemingly unanimous consensus to bring it back was reached. This issue, and subsequent ones, will probably be shorter - as we kept running out of things to say before! There's a lot to say this month, purely due to the long absence of a newsletter, but we'll keep it as brief as possible.
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Cheltenham coat of arms.gif)
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You deleted the following article. Because it was complete nonsense and un-encyclopidial. Yesterday, I came across this case of deletion and thought it was a perfect example of Gaming the system. Are there more such deletion discussions, articles, etc.? Just wondering... Thanks in advanche, -The Bold Guy- (talk) 10:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
French commune infoboxes
Hi. We have a large back log of French commune articles to add the infoboxes from French wikipedia Status check. All that needs doing is copying the infobox directly from the French wikipedia equivalent. Please see Vulaines. All that needs doing for each article is cutting and pasting the infobox from French wiki into every article which must be bot compatible. So for Vulaines all it requires is pasting the infobox into it from here and pasting it into the english wiki article. COuld somebody please programme a bot or use some form of coding to help complete the task in hours rather than months? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 11:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Steve, I just suggested that the subject article go directly to the album on it album's talk page. When I edited the dab talk page, I noted you had deleted it many moons ago and suspect maybe you rearranged the titles once before. Would be interested in your thoughts on he matter. (John User:Jwytalk) 23:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
A portal peer review has been opened for The Beatles portal in order to get it to featured portal status. It will gain the distinction of being the first portal dedicated to an individual musician/band to reach featured status.
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History of The Beatles has been recreated following the advice given in a peer review of The Beatles. We request your assistance in summarising the History section of The Beatles so they are not just carbon copies of each other.
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Please take the time to review some articles (or submit your own) at our internal peer review page. It will help us to improve our articles.
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Kingbotk
As you've got a bot working in a similar field to my idea for a bot, listed here, I would really appreciate your comments, particularly with regards to how to assess whether someone is living or dead. Your bot, I think, assumes they are alive if they are listed in Living People; my bot proposition would try and make sure that was more accurate. I assume that decision is on grounds of speed rather than feasibility? Anyway, let me know, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Jarry1250 (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I think we've corresponded before. Waayy back when, you sent an invitation for me to join the Beatles WikiProject. This I chose to decline. If I never formally explained why... the reasons for this were 1)my time is limited, 2)my range of interests is not, and 3)joining would mean having to listen to the half-baked and/or uninformed opinions and attitudes of a few nonetheless rabid Beatles fans, and appear by proximity to agree with or support said opinions. The third point especially I couldn't go along with.
I don't think I need to tell you how the last few years have played out, between the 't vs. T' debacle, the name-order debacle, and the sheer 'tude that comes with "true believers". If I had joined, any of those matters may have persuaded me to quit the project... and the same goes with recent attitudes I've seen from some members, and at least a couple unsigned editors.
Nobody needs to tell me some of the topics I've started aren't main-sequence, or high-profile, and my talk page isn't exactly scattered with Barnstars or GA plaques. It'd be nice to have a few, but it's also nice to have full paychecks; most of my writing time lately comes from days without work. I notice gaps, and try to fill them, or tighten the space in between. My motivation for writing on Wikipedia is to do something extra with my education and training, and keep my writing muscles toned. (And the chance to get tapped, for a larger and hopefully paying project.) Other people's motivations... are their own.
I review articles that I've contributed to from time to time, and what I tend to notice is that later editors try to cram unessential facts into them, in the name of "contributing substantially", and seem to think that a citation (particularly of a recent book) makes an unimportant item an important one. This goes against the spirit of good writing (and from what I recall, few of these people have written professionally, or gone to school for it) and doesn't make a positive contribution.
I find it odd that I get attacked for commenting on or changing articles, that I either started personally, or bumped up from stub-class to higher, and I have to wonder about the commentors, if they didn't check histories and figure out who has contributed before them, before they decided to comment (much less attack), particularly when it becomes personal. I go after poor content, and don't generally name names. In return I get personal invective, with my nick (with speculations and more comments) all over it.
I don't mind if prose I've done here gets rewritten or added to. It irks me, though, when it's simply replaced with a restatement that adds nothing but needless words, and phrasing either cloned from source materials, or not as strong as what it's expected to replace. I'm also not impressed by GA status, if it's not obtained by checking the quality of the writing, at least as much as the use of refs and footnotes.
I prefer footnotes, references, lists, bells and whistles, notes only dogs can hear, and a 41-piece orchestra when such things are available. The next-best thing is a mention in the text flow ("-- told WTF?! magazine, which a month later was seized by the Hell's Grannies"). The absence of them, though, is not a prompt for me to go on the attack, or brag about my own use of them, or start talking smack to others who made more frequent contributions before refs became such an "issue".
I'll say it again: I have read the books, played if not owned the albums, seen the videos and movies, etc., etc. that I tend to write about or comment on. I don't make stuff up out of suppositions or whole cloth. If the books, etc., were still on my house shelves, I'd be more than happy to go through and cite every last freaking foot, right down to the one in George's sandal with the stashed cash, that I may write about or try to summarize. Most of them are put away, to make room for other and later things I've studied, or are more essential to my present life.
In years past, I had much more time to read and write, and bully for anyone who has such time now. I don't, however, think this makes them automatically more expert, or more dedicated, more talented, or more worthy of kudos (which I notice people who concern themselves with exchange mostly to each other) than someone with more experience or perspective. Nor does it give them the right to talk smack. This I knew going in. I wish others did also.
I have always respected your work and your contributions here, even when I've disagreed with some of the results. I hope you never took it personally that I didn't join the project. I knew from experience what I was likely to find among the membership... and sad to say, it wasn't proven wrong. The more outspoken and "active" of the members I deal with haven't impressed me. Neither has the 'tude I've seen displayed, and I don't appreciate it from them. Wouldn't mind if you passed that along, in a general way. (As in, names not named.)
I don't blame you for them. But I wanted to get my two cents out, if I hadn't in one burst in the past. Thanks, and good luck. Zephyrad (talk) 00:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
((Archive-nav))
Two years ago you reported a bug affecting {{archive-nav}} and several of the other archive templates. I am happy to report that I have investigated the bug and I am now building a workaround. It even caused a long discussion at the Village pump and two bugzilla bugs, since the bug affects several Wikipedias and other Mediawiki projects. See your old bug report and my answer at Template talk:Archive-nav#Category talk.
You ran a bot that added templates to biographical talk pages.
It seems to have routinely added "listas" parameters -- assuming that all names should be shoehorned into the European style of inherited lastname-surnames.
Would you please answer four questions:
Didn't it occur to you that this was a mistake for the very large number of articles about individuals whose names don't follow the European style?
Haven't I noticed that Mr or Ms Kingboy is not active? No. On the contrary, Mr or Ms Kingboy seems to be intermittently active, on this project, making a couple of dozen edits per month, and continuing to exercise administrator authority.
Didn't I notice he hasn't run his bot in over a year? No. I didn't. And I don't see that should make a difference for good faith contributors who are trying to estimate the scale of the problems his bot left behind. Maybe it was in the early runs of his bot, years ago, that it blithely tried to shoehorn non-European names into the European template. But it is NOW that the errors the bot introduced are coming home to roost, because other bots have been written which assume that all "listas" parameters were added by real human beings, who knew what they were doing. And those bots are MULTIPLYING the errors Kingboy's bot first inserted. Geo Swan (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Kingboyk, User:Reedy warned me you are not active on the wikipedia. I suggested your records shows you are intermittently active. Your contribution history shows you were active last Friday.
I am mystified and disappointed that you did not choose to help gauge the scale of the problem triggered by your bots. I hope you will change your mind. Geo Swan (talk) 15:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
You do seem incapable of understanding that Kingboyk has no interest in communicating with you, even after all this time after we previously discussed this matter. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
"Being rude, insensitive or petty makes people upset and stops Wikipedia from working well." (Please see the list of policies on behavioral mannerisms). Being rude can be taken in several fashions, insensitive or petty is pretty easy. For example, the comment "Kingboyk, User:Reedy warned me you are not active on the wikipedia. [...] Your contribution history shows you were active last Friday." can and should be viewed as a critic on user conduct. Comments, in this context and this fashion on user conduct, can and should be interpreted as a personal attack. (Please see Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks whereas it is stated to "Comment on content, not on the contributor") I am discouraging you from being uncivil and encourage all editors in this thread to review Wikipedia:Etiquette. Please be careful to avoid offending people, even unintentionally. A comparable example of this can be found in the box at the top of WP:CIV which states "Participate in a respectful and considerate way." & "Do not ignore the positions and conclusions of others.". Trying to communicate on your talk page here should not, in my personal view, be considered harasment. "Au contraire", ignoring it is uncivil. (Please see WP:Etiquette which states "Do not ignore questions".) Therefore, I encourage you to continue communication. Mediation and Dispute resolution is available if needed. Also, for Bots "Programs that update pages automatically in a useful and harmless way may be welcome, as long as their owners seek approval first and are careful to keep them from running amok or being a drain on resources." If you can prove that someone didn't get "approval" to run a bot and that he wasn't careful, then I will support an RfC on user conduct. --CyclePat (talk) 16:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Personally, considering the situation, I have to wonder whether this discussion really makes much sense at all. It seems likely that the bot edits in question were all done over a year ago. What sense does it make to ask questions of someone regarding something that long ago, and, particularly, what possible good is there about asking them "Didn't you think..." questions. There does not seem to be any likelihood that those mistakes will be repeated by this editor, as he does not seem to be using the bot, so there does not seem to be any real possible good to be accomplished by asking it. So far as I can tell, all templates that were edited by Kingboyk with list as paremeters included here. However, if no one else has to date called specific edits into quesetion, then I can't imagine anyone knows how many such edits there might be. Also, if there haven't been prior questions, I wonder whether anyone really cares overmuch about those particular alphabetizations. Yes, I know that usage varies between languages. But there are currently about 675,000 biography articles with "listas" parameters, and I doubt very seriously if anyone is going to run through the list to see which if any are wrong. At this point, the thing that would I think make most sense is that if anyone thinks he knows of articles which might be mistakenly listed, to go through them and make the appropriate changes. But it seems to me to make very little sense to ask someone to try to remember details about bot activities of over a year ago. John Carter (talk) 16:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I am going to have to disagree with you as to whether sorting this out makes sense -- for several reasons.
While that particular bot may not have been run in a while, there are recent, current bots, and robot assisted editing tools which are only now acting on the bad "listas" fields this bot inserted in the past. Those new bots and robot assisted editing tools are assuming that these "listas" fields, which really required human judgment, are reliable, because the authors of the new bots assume all the "listas" fields were initially inserted by a real human being. So I think it is important, now, to get an estimate of how many were inserted by a robot.
I believe that other bots, more recent bots, also illustrate the same improper initiative. This could be because authors of these more recent bots cut and pasted code from the source of this bot. Or it could be because Kingboyk worked on those more recent bots and robot assisted editing tool. Kingboyk, did you work on AWB? Versions of AWB, or AWB operating in certain modes, seems to manifest the same and other serious problems.
Please remember that this bot may have inserted bad data, that is now assumed to be reliable, in tens of thousands of articles. Geo Swan (talk) 12:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for File:The KLF - 3 a.m. Eternal video.jpg
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Fair use rationale for File:The Timelords video.jpg
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I've been getting acquainted with WP:Plugin++ (p.s. can we get the edit summary changed to use that shortcut instead?) and have left a bunch of requests at WT:Plugin++. I was hoping you might have some time to look at them ... Especially the custom plugin for film, that's a pending task of mine. –xenotalk17:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Clark Gesner article deleted
Hi, I've noticed that the article on Clark Gesner was deleted by you, and the cause given was no proof of notability. I haven't seen the article, but Clark Gesner was certainly a notable figure (composer of 'You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown,' one of the world's most-produced musicals), and he certainly should have his own entry. If the one that had previously been posted was not adequate to Wikipedia's guidelines, I'd be willing to help supply the missing content. (I am new to Wikipedia, btw, having created an account to send this message, so please assume I know nothing in your response!)
You have been trouted for: YOUR REASON HERE
Hello!
You seem very steady at what you do here and also have a great sense of humor, so I had to take a sec to (ala Hitchiker's Guide!) slap you with a trout for erasing the Pop Inc addition to The KLF page. Please chat with Marco @ KLF Communications ( contact@klf-communications.net ) or Google Pop Inc Looking 4 The KLF , where you will find 7.5 pages solid about them, including links to various on-line press sources. Also, they had Simon Jones (of the BBC's Hitchiker's Guide TO The Galaxy ) on the track, which alone should be reason enough to keep the entry up. Please message me if you need any other changes. Cheers, Isabella —Preceding unsigned comment added by Isabella Jouelle (talk • contribs) 07:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Help - Spam? COI? Need your advice
Hello King,
A long time ago, I got in trouble for spamming. Not knowing the proper way of adding information, we 'started over' and you even linked to one of my documents in the Beatles section. It has since been removed, and so has my other account, only for the grounds of the name itself, which was allegedly a conflict of interest.
That said, I restarted my account (with permission) and a new, approved name. For the past 2 months, have been contributing how you taught me, and working the information into the article with verifiable sources. However, the documents/information I work in are rarely seen declassified government documents. A google on my name John Greenewald will show you my history, along with my 'expertise' (although I hate that word) on the topics.
I now am in trouble for posting cited sources, which happen to come from similar domains (theblackvault.com). My expertise, background and contributions for almost a decade and a half to the internet, is running the largest online free repository for declassified documents in the world. I do not charge for the information, and am not trying to make money or spam. But, this is the ONLY location for documents to be sourced. So, if I don't source the material I add... it's deleted. If I source it, I am in trouble.
I am very interested in your help, as I have always appreciated the help and advice you gave me a couple years ago. I am not trying to make anyone mad, spam, or show conflicts of interest. I am trying to add information that is sourced, verifiable, neutral, and not available anywhere else.
Neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia. Unfortunately your conflict of interest editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote theblackvault.com. Such a conflict is strongly discouraged. Your contributions to wikipedia under Blackvault, Johnbv417 and IP 24.24.168.235, consist entirely of adding content w/links to theblackvault.com and is considered WP:Spam.
STOP
Hu12 - stop following me around. I GENUINELY ASKED FOR ADVICE from this moderator, who is actually nice and talked to me instead of harassed. Your form letters and responses, along with your constant barrage of messages about me spamming on MULTIPLE pages is annoying, and shows the lack of respect you have for Wikipedia and people trying to contribute. You reference an account who did inadvertently spam, and I rectified the situation. It was only banned from the name choice, so I changed it.
Stop labling me as a wrong-doer on a past account when I didn't know at the time. AND, those edits were years ago. Now, I am genuinely asking for advice, and you flood me with your form letters and lack of respect. Leave me alone on other people's talk pages, and let me speak with someone who takes the time to write a personal response back.
Go away... and stop flooding other people's talk pages.
Just because you changed your account doesn't make for an exemption when the pattern of behavior remains the same. "If the same pattern of editing continues after the warning, the account may be blocked"coi. I've put all the relative policy based material on your talk page and you have been sufficiantly warned. Wikipedia policy is quite clear here:
Accounts that appear, based on their edit history, to exist for the sole or primary purpose of promoting a person, company, product, service, or organization in apparent violation of Conflict of interest or anti-spam guidelines.
Guidelines such as conflict of interest are generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that users should follow. Equally Wikipedia is not a place to to promote your site. --Hu12 (talk) 14:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image (File:Bill Drummond at the 1992 Brits Awards.jpg)
Thanks for uploading File:Bill Drummond at the 1992 Brits Awards.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
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I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Progressive Rock music WikiProject. There are a lot of progressive rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a littlelot of attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few progressive rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. -- ~~~~
Noticed you had an affiliation with a few proggy bands such as The Beatles and Hawkwind and I thought I'd extend an invitation. Cheers, ʄɭoʏɗiaɲτ¢16:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I was following a discussion at one of the village pumps about the comments subpages used by some articles, and having a vague memory that WP:WP 1.0 started them, I went looking for the old discussions that started them and found these: 1, 2, 3 (May to July 2006). You were one of the five main participants at those discussions, so I'm notifying all five of you so that some input from when this all started can be obtained for the current discussion, as I'm not sure the full picture is being presented there so far. I'll leave a note at the Village Pump discussion saying who I notified. I also left a note at the WP:WP 1.0 talk page, but not sure how much you each follow that page now, hence the user talk page note. Carcharoth (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello old boy - long time etc. Have you any more information regarding the Tom Bailey / Alannah Currie / Cautry - divorce / separation / current arrangements, than I have managed to unearth here ? -
Bailey and Currie split up in 2003, and are now divorced. They both left New Zealand and live separately in Britain, but are still close friends. Currie currently lives with Jimmy Cauty (formerly of The KLF) and is a trained upholsterer.[1]
I am currently trying to improve the Thompson Twins article - I know, but someone has to make an effort - and would appreciate any input. Currently listening, as I type to, "Dust My Broom" from Elmore James if that helps your decision making. Very best wishes,
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Please help I am having trouble using AWB since I switched to Windows Vista. Whenever I try to start, I get the pop-up that reads "You are not logged in..." irrespective of whether or not I have logged in with IE (8) or AWB. Can you assist me? Please respond on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I imagine it's short, so you can either userfy it (though I'm not quite sure what that is) or email it to kogorman at pacbell.net. Thanks. kogorman (talk) 18:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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It was a gas...!
Steve. If you have gone, then I should like to note that it was - a while back, now - great fun editing The Beatles, and I thank you for getting me involved in all this stuff. We haven't interacted much recently, but I think the place will be poorer without you. Mark. 21:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Mark. I'm not leaving totally, but for the last few months my editing pattern has been to fix up issues I find when using Wikipedia as a reader. That will continue I guess. The politics has got too much for me to want to be involved in the community in the way I used to be, and I'm still not seeing any great increase in the quality of the articles here only the quantity. I'm also busier with work these days.
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. I'm on Facebook if you want to add me up.
Re Facebook; I don't know (likely forgotten) your last name, so finding you is a little difficult. I am there under my full name - per my Userpage - and would be pleased to have a request. Take care. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hello. I was trying to find information on what "Persondata" was and came across the Persondata article, which has been deleted multiple times. I wrote on the talk page about how there seems to be a problem - the article has been deleted multiple times, but there seems to be a legitimate issue where people can't find information.
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==Categories for discussion nomination of 'Pat Avery'
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( Born November 14, 1955 in Plant City, FLorida == Pat spent his early years in Hillsboro County, FL living in Plant City until he was 10 then moving to Lakeland, FL and living there until graduation form High School. Kathleen Sr. High class of 1974. In the fall of 1974 Pat enrolled in Baptist Bible College, Springfield, MO to study Theology and Music.
'Churches Pat has Served
'Aulburndale Baptist Temple, Youth and Worship PastorFirst Baptist Church of Gibsonton, FL Youth and Worship PastorEast Sligh Ave. Baptist Church Tampa, FL Youth PastorVictory Baptist Church, Intercession City, FL Pastor Daytona Beach Baptist Church, Daytona Beach, FL Associate PastorBeacon Baptist Church, Daytona Beach, FL Senior Pastor
Today Pat is owner of Pat Avery Management and Marketing, in Daytona Beach, FL www.patavermanagement.comItalic text==
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( Born November 14, 1955 in Plant City, FLorida == Pat spent his early years in Hillsboro County, FL living in Plant City until he was 10 then moving to Lakeland, FL and living there until graduation form High School. Kathleen Sr. High class of 1974. In the fall of 1974 Pat enrolled in Baptist Bible College, Springfield, MO to study Theology and Music.
'Churches Pat has Served
'Aulburndale Baptist Temple, Youth and Worship PastorFirst Baptist Church of Gibsonton, FL Youth and Worship PastorEast Sligh Ave. Baptist Church Tampa, FL Youth PastorVictory Baptist Church, Intercession City, FL Pastor Daytona Beach Baptist Church, Daytona Beach, FL Associate PastorBeacon Baptist Church, Daytona Beach, FL Senior Pastor
Today Pat is owner of Pat Avery Management and Marketing, in Daytona Beach, FL www.patavermanagement.comItalic text]], which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 March 24#'Pat Avery'
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( Born November 14, 1955 in Plant City, FLorida == Pat spent his early years in Hillsboro County, FL living in Plant City until he was 10 then moving to Lakeland, FL and living there until graduation form High School. Kathleen Sr. High class of 1974. In the fall of 1974 Pat enrolled in Baptist Bible College, Springfield, MO to study Theology and Music.
'Churches Pat has Served
'Aulburndale Baptist Temple, Youth and Worship PastorFirst Baptist Church of Gibsonton, FL Youth and Worship PastorEast Sligh Ave. Baptist Church Tampa, FL Youth PastorVictory Baptist Church, Intercession City, FL Pastor Daytona Beach Baptist Church, Daytona Beach, FL Associate PastorBeacon Baptist Church, Daytona Beach, FL Senior Pastor
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Wikipedia policy allows us to link to legal streamed copies of albums. It would be useful to draw up a guideline on how and when to link to such albums; however, there is concern that it may not be appropriate as the music would not be available in all parts of the world. Is the benefit of having access to the music for most users outweighed by the fact that some users will follow a link to find the music is not playable in their region? Your view would be helpful at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. SilkTork✔Tea time02:24, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Kingboyk, I was using the generic plugin to tag talk pages and noticed that it was not picking up the ratings from the other projects that already tagged. It would be great if this functionality can be added. Thanks. — Ganeshk (talk)13:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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MSU Interview
Dear Kingboyk,
My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.
So a few things about the interviews:
Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.
Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.
If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.
Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.
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hi you was in the new utopia article but suddenly quiet in the discussion page
any idea what happened to new utopia ?
the offical website did say that in did start construction now maybe it should be update the wikipeida artickel but at the same time it need to update its pasport infomation... the links have not been updated too
maybe its should be added in the wiki artick?
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i allso found by look up new utopia citizenship or shomthing like that a investro bank in antigua get closed becuse of fraud was used to transfer fees and money by the new utopia project...
one of the owner of the domain name was made bankrupt in florida fort meyers court
if it get sued for fraud in florida why did the charte citizens get ther office in caymen island (that showes in the youtube video )now when caymen island can give infomation abut amricans convicted of crime ?
when many of the cariben island did give clients lists the last 5 years why did not charter citise get there mony back (if it is a fraud) becuse look like many of them(investoer/conslats/govounoers have mony offshore?
got sued ?
what happen to charter citizens? Investors’ did sue them for fraud and made the project somewhere else ?
because all the business /project did stop in 2007/2008 and the site did move to flordia then to uk (just look it the dictionary that was the domain name )
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Since this bot has been involved with this Talk page from it's beginning in 2006, I thought you might be interested in the confusion I'm having. I addition to the "biographies of living persons" and WikiProject Biography banners, there was a banner for a "Sexuality portal" for "sex workers". Nothing in this poorly written article suggests that it was at all appropriate, so I deleted it. Initially, the banner was present in all the stages of editing from your first entry one on "18:11, 13 August 2006 Kingbotk (talk | contribs) . . (45 bytes) (+45) . . (Tag with {{..WPBiography..}} for WP1.0 assessments/Living persons bio)". Now, since I deleted the banner, it only appears in the history under a 2010 edit entry.
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Hi there. I see that you created Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer#1986.E2.80.931989 by copying from Notable_litigation_of_Apple_Computer#Apple_Corps. However, your version has some content which I can't find in the original; it would seem that you originated it. Your version said this: "The result effectively terminated any further development of the highly profitable Apple II line, any foray Apple was making into the multimedia field in parallel of the Amiga at the time, and any future advanced built-in musical hardware into the Macintosh line." As a former kid with a //gs, I'm interested in that claim, for my own personal research, as well as substantiating and referencing it in the encyclopedia. Where'd that information come from? Thanks!
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