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No reason why it can't achieve good article status! You are a frequent contributor to the page and your contributions are always valued which is why I thought I'd ask you --5 albert square (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi
Thanks for agreeing to help :)
I think the main things we need to check at the moment is that the spelling and grammar of the article are ok. It might also be an idea to check that the references are also all ok, that they're all reliable etc. We also need to make sure that the article remains stable (i.e. no edit warring) and that it remains neutral. Wikipedia:Good article criteria should be able to explain more to you :) --5 albert square (talk) 20:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey June, just noticed that you'd edited the Neighbours page to take out Sonya. So she's not sticking around then? I'm gutted if she ain't! I had really high hopes for her forming a relationship with Toadie!! --5 albert square (talk) 21:34, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey,
I only removed her from the current regular cast members as she's still only a recurring/guest character at the moment. Toadie did refer to her as his girlfriend recently, so I'm hoping she'll start appearing more. :) JuneGloom07 (talk) 22:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi again! For some reason someone has taken to vandalising a number of Neighbours pages tonight. The Neighbours pages I've found were affected are Neighbours, Ramsay Street and Stephanie Scully. With the Neighbours page they removed some of the hidden comments like the one about the actor of Charlie Hoyland (I think) that you can only see if you go in to edit the page. With Ramsay Street they took out Lou Carpenter as a character (how dare they!) and with the Stephanie Scully page they made stupid edits like adding an extra - sign. I think I've got all of it, but could you please quickly look over the pages just to make sure everythings ok? --5 albert square (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I've had a good look and everything appears to be back to normal. The person who vandalised the page yesterday also removed one of the hidden comments. Removing the comments is a very sneaky way to vandalise the page. You can't tell that the page has been tampered with, unless you look at the history. Poor Lou, people keep trying to remove him from the show. JuneGloom07 (talk) 14:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh thanks for having a look at that. Yes it was very sneaky wasn't it! With Lou, the person "moved" him out of number 26 saying that Lynn tells him he can have his job back if he does so, but the editor didn't "move" Lou to a new house or say that he'd moved out of Ramsay Street, So I just "moved" him straight back in lol when reverting. In another edit they removed him from the cast list! I mean, good god, I know the actor is part-time now, but he's not that much of a part-timer surely! --5 albert square (talk) 14:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Lou has just moved into No.30 and in a couple of weeks he'll be moving again to No.24. I think the only house he hasn't lived in is No.28. Hopefully he stays at No.24 for quite a while, then people won't have a reason to move him again. Maybe he needs a hidden comment telling people to stop moving him, lol. JuneGloom07 (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah thanks for that, that kinda makes sense now, though don't know why the other editor didn't just move him into number 30 in the previous edit! I really would like to know the thinking behind TPTB at Neighbours though. I mean, there's already Callum, Ben, Toadie, Libby, Dan and Lucas living at number 30 (that's providing Lucas is still living there at Oz pace!). As it is Lucas is sleeping on the sofa, where are they gonna put Lou?! Even if he moves into number 24 that's still gonna be a squeeze cos there's three bedrooms taken up there already. So if Steph is moving into number 26 with Lynn, surely the logical solution would be for Lou to move into Steph's old house? I really would love to know the thinking behind that! --5 albert square (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe Lucas is living with Elle at No.22, not sure if he's gonna be staying there after she leaves tomorrow. No.30 does seem to have more people then rooms though. Callum and Ben share a room and so do Libby and Dan, maybe Toadie will have to share with Lou? I think you're right about moving Lou into Steph's old house. Libby and Dan aren't going to buy it now and there hasn't been any news of a new family coming in. It'll be interesting to see him moving in with the Ramsay kids, apparently he becomes their new guardian. Oh, I think Saffron Jankiewicz needs to be re-added to the recurring characters list, it's been confirmed on the offical site & Perfectblend.net that she's gonna be appearing on and off until about March 2010. She's in tomorrows Oz episode to face Donna. JuneGloom07 (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Ha ha! How did you find that? I see they added some edits to the page. I also noticed that the second reference on the page doesn't have anything on it about Neighbours or Home & Away being broadcast there. JuneGloom07 (talk) 00:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Haha I found it whilst reverting his edits! I don't understand a word of what that reference said as it's all in Spanish, that's why I stuck a citation tag next to it and placed a tag on it questioning it's accuracy. Unless someone speaks fluent Spanish, how the hell are they going to know what that reference says? --5 albert square (talk) 00:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, I'm thinking of putting the Neighbours article under a major edit hopefully tomorrow, if not then certainly over the next few days. I'm going to try and reference the DVD section as it's completely unreferenced and check spelling and grammar. I'm thinking of trying to edit the music section and referencing it as I think it is completely unreferenced at the moment. I nominated The Bill for Good Article status at the same time as Neighbours and I know that was one of the points it was pulled up on. Do you know where I can find references for things like this other than Youtube? --5 albert square (talk) 17:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey. I checked the Neighbours article for spelling and grammar quite recently, but please go ahead and check it again as I may have missed something. A list of the Neighbours DVDs are available on Amazon.co.uk, if you want to use that as a reference. Not too sure where to find references for the music section, but I'll have a good look now and get back to you. -JuneGloom07 (talk) 16:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, someone edited the Karl Kennedy page to say that he has a grandson called Sean Fitzgerald who's dead. I did wonder if something had happened Oz pace and maybe Susan had miscarried, but couldn't find anything to back this up. Is this true? --5 albert square (talk) 17:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Susan miscarried Libby and Dan's baby on Thursday. I haven't seen Friday's episode yet, so I don't know if they decided to name the baby. I updated the Libby, Dan and Susan articles today to mention the surrogacy and miscarriage. I noticed you corrected the edit that someone made to the Neighbours page, I was going to message you about that. I wasn't sure whether to remove it or not. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh that is so sad that Susan miscarries! I really wish that the writers would give Libby a break, just how much heartache do they want to put her through! Yeah I googled Sean Fitzgerald and Sean Kennedy and couldn't find anything to support this so reverted it and asked the person to provide a source for what's happened. I removed Ten from the Neighbours article because the title is actually "original channel". If Ten didn't take over Neighbours until the second series, they're not the original channel --5 albert square (talk) 18:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
It is sad that Susan miscarries. Karl almost made me cry when he told Libby that he thought Susan was going to die. I hope the writers will give Libby a break too, they just need to give her a child and a husband who doesn't die, cheat or leave. I'm going to go work on adding references to some of the character pages. I'm also going to add something about Sonya to Toadie's page tonight. Oh, will you have a quick look at Paul Robinson's page, I think the family tree at the bottom of the article should be deleted as his family info is listed in the info box. I have asked on the discussion page if anyone has any objections. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 19:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, it would seem that somebody is going around adding unnecessary trees to some pages for whatever reason. Karl Kennedy had one added to his page so I asked at WP: SOAPS if this was necessary and I was told no, not if it doesn't provide additional info to what's already in his relationships box and to delete it if it doesn't. Apparently someone is randomly adding these to pages, these next few days I'm going to go through all the characters and remove any that I find --5 albert square (talk) 19:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Two more things. Someone has been going round putting a hyphen between Grandson and Granddaughter, etc, in all the info boxes. I haven't begun to correct them yet. Also, someone else has also been to the teen pages and changed their occupations. I think I've changed them all back now as they are in the middle of their exams and haven't left school yet. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, what I'm going to do this weekend is go around all the character pages and give them a makeover, correct any spelling mistakes etc. I'm in the middle of removing all the family trees just now. I didn't think of this till I was in the Lyn Scully article, but what I'm going to do once I've removed the additional family trees is go back around all the articles and add a hidden comment (even to the articles that don't have the unnecessary family tree) asking people not to insert additional family trees. As for the grandson, grand-son etc, you can actually spell this either way (I looked it up in an online dictionary when the same thing happened to Karl Kennedy's page!) --5 albert square (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I hope you don't find any spelling mistakes in anything I've written, lol. I like the hidden comment idea concerning the family trees. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Lol I'm sure I won't find any spelling mistakes in your edits June. I've now added a hidden comment to most of the Neighbours profiles asking politely for no more family trees to be added. I might check all the articles tomorrow though for vandalism, when I edited Rebecca Napier someone had added a hidden comment saying she was a non-human species! --5 albert square (talk) 23:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I've been updating info and added refs to most of the pages, will try and do the rest tomorrow. I'm trying to help sort out the articles that have the 'multiple issues' notice on them. Poor Rebecca, I'm pretty sure she is human! - JuneGloom07 (talk) 23:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Our little friend who keeps changing granddaughter to grand-daughter and adding family trees is active again. This time he has been active on the Oliver Barnes page, changing nee to ne. I've checked and I can't find ne in the English dictionary so am assuming it's a variation of nee but from another country. I've reverted it and asked him to talk in English for the English Wikipedia --5 albert square (talk) 18:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. I'm glad you were watching the Oliver Barnes page! Sunny left in today's Oz episode, someone has already taken care of removing her from the cast list. We've had some vandalism on Donna's page today and Toadie's page yesterday. I edited and added refs to Taylah Jordan's page yesterday, the page hadn't been updated with her departure and read as if she was she still in the show. I'm going to try and sort Ringo's page today and see if can find any more family trees that need to be removed. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 12:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I see what you mean about Toadie's vandalism. Glad I looked at his page though, the references on it look strange compared to other pages. I might have a quick look at them tonight, sort them out and get them displaying properly again. Any more vandalism on his page today and I'd consider asking for WP:PP --5 albert square (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Has Harry moved house in Neighbours? Only someone changed his page to read outside of Ramsay Street! I checked on Neighbours Australia's website and they still listed him as living at number 24! Because of that I reverted the edit but thought I would also ask --5 albert square (talk) 01:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Harry is living in a foster home at the moment, but he'll be back home either next week or the week after I believe. That's when Lou moves in with the Ramsay kids as their guardian. I found one of those nee to ne changes on Frazer Yeats's page yesterday, haven't seen any more yet, but I'll keep looking. I've just reverted some vandalism on Declan Napier's page, I'll be keeping an eye on it to see if any more occurs. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 13:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Libby does kiss Lucas next week, but they both realise it's a mistake. However, they don't know that Steph saw them. Steph bumps into Dan and judging from what I read they do end up kissing and possibly sleeping together. I don't think she does it intentionally. The edit makes it sound like Steph goes to find Dan and kisses him because she sees Libby kiss Lucas (Steph still has feelings for Lucas). Next week Neighbours finishes in Oz for it's annual Christmas break and the show returns on 11th January. I was wondering whether to put another hidden comment by the episode count asking users not to edit it while the show is off air. What do you think? - JuneGloom07 (talk) 13:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for explaining that. I don't think another hidden comment is necessary for the episode count. If episodes aren't being aired I would hope that people would then not update the episode count --5 albert square (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a discussion at Talk: Ben Kirk about changing the name and re-directing the page to Ben Fitzgerald. It's just that Neighbours are now crediting him under Ben Fitzgerald rather than Ben Kirk so wondered if we should maybe reflect this? --5 albert square (talk) 23:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm not sure about the name change as Libby and Dan have now split up (Dan left Neighbours today). I remember the conversation in the show about whether he should change his name or not, but I thought it was decided to keep it as Kirk. Though looking at the credits, it seems he is called Fitzgerald. If we change it, we might have to change it back later when Libby and Dan finalise their divorce. I feel quite sorry for Ben, he's been through a lot. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 23:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I must admit the name change caught me off guard a little. I only happened to notice because I do reviews for Perfect Blend and one day found myself typing Ben Fitzgerald into the credits! Even though Libby and Dan have split up or divorced he may still decide to keep the name Fitzgerald. Also Libby and Dans divorce may not come through for some time. When it does, if Ben decides to go back to Kirk, all I need to do is take the redirect code off Ben Kirk and put it on Ben Fitzgerald. What do you think? --5 albert square (talk) 00:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Yep, I think you're right. It won't be until sometime next year that we'll find out what happens to his name, so go for it. :) - JuneGloom07 (talk) 00:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
OK, I'll leave it until tomorrow night so any others that watch his talk page get the chance to comment tomorrow. From what I understand Neighbours is taking a longer than normal summer break this year to prepare for the 25th anniversary celebrations, besides I know most storys can be wrapped up in 5 days flat, but I'm assuming even Neighbours can't divorce that quick! Therefore any name change isn't going to happen much before February at the absolute earliest. I must admit though I too thought he decided to keep his name at Kirk in order to remember Drew. Oh I almost forgot, someone added Drew as a notable cast member the other day. I removed him cos I don't think the actor has been on TV since Neighbours so hardly notable. Also Eloise Mignon underwent some violence today, people saying she wasn't born in Kuwait --5 albert square (talk) 00:25, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, have now transferred Ben Kirk to Ben Fitzgerald as nobody objected, it just needs to get checked by Wikipedia (they won't let me verify an article I created, I did try!) By the way, have you seen the length of his name now? Benjamin Ian Kennedy Kirk Fitzgerald? Imagine trying to fill that in on forms! Jeeze! --5 albert square (talk) 03:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
(undent) Hi again, forgot to add this before. I've just managed to get The Bill up to good article status. Maybe we can use this as a base for Neighbours? I plan to have a good look at the Neighbours article this week to see how we can improve it --5 albert square (talk) 01:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I noticed The Bill's new status earlier, well done on that! Definitely let me know about ways to improve the Neighbours article when you've had a look. On another note, I've found four family trees on character pages in the past 2 days. I've removed them and added the hidden comment. I also edited and cleaned up the Andrew Robinson article and the Richard Aaronow one. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I will look at Neighbours at some point this week. I edited Ben Fitzgerald's page before, updated the fact that Dan has left and merged his surname section in with Daniel Fitzgerald. Basically tidied it up, it really did need it. --5 albert square (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for that. I wasn't sure what to do about it, whether to change the description or remove it. Surely the 'top' forum would the one on the official website. We haven't had much activity on the Neighbours pages today, the only thing I think of at the moment was someone changed Kate Ramsay's occupation. So, I've had an easy day, lol. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I've let it stay just now but I'm going to ask a couple of admin friends of mine about it. It's just I know to get good article status they don't like websites being used as references, but I'm not sure about external links. I'm glad someones had a quiet day! You wanna see what's been going on with Leona Lewis and Ross Kemp's pages! I've not reverted anything personally on Ross' page but I have on Leona's and I've just had to ask for page protection for both. People keep posting on Ross' page that he's gay when he ain't and on Leona's page they keep scribbling on it. Really annoying! --5 albert square (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I see what you mean about Ross and Leona's pages. Luckily Leona's page has been protected now. The only other bits of vandalism I've cleaned up today have been on the Waterloo Road article. I do wish there was a warning you could give to users about their spelling, lol. It makes me laugh when people vandalize an article with bad spelling, as it makes it obvious what they've done. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 00:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey there, im not sure if this is where i should write this, but thanks for the comment on the neighbours edits, i would glady help with the updates of the page as i am a huge fan of the show and would love it to have a good wiki page. Let me know anything you need help with. :) Abgreen (talk) 16:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
It's okay to add a reply here, however, there is a section at the bottom of my talk page about Neighbours and the GA nomination. Me and another editor (User:5 albert square) have been using The Bill and Eastenders articles (as they are both GAs) as a template for what the Neighbours article should look like and what information it should include. I just have a query about some of the edits you have made. The Titles section you added is unreferenced (I'm not sure if you're planning to add refs at some point or not), it also looks a little long (it might have to be merged with the theme song section, like The Bill), the {{Underconstruction}} tag needs to stay on the article while it is still being edited, some of the other informtion you've added needs to backed up by reliable sources. Again thank you for your contributions. :) - JuneGloom07 (talk) 17:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
On Carmella's page I took the headings out as sub heading like that are used when there is exsessive notable info such as on the article for Pauline Fowler, which is well written. Also we tend to use them on living people articles, as Carmella is a work of fiction it doesn't pay to have so many page breaks in the storyline section. Carmella's storylines do no need headings for everytime she moves on-screen if you get what I mean. The page is a mess, I noticed though you have helped a lot with keeping the tidyness of it up. So that's good to see. Do you know how to cite references, all neighbours pages could do with a much needed tidy up. Wanna help? Raintheone (talk) 15:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. Sorry for re-adding the sub headings, when I saw the page it was just an instant reaction, on my part, to add them again. I'm a regular contributor to the Neighbours page and it's associated articles. If you notice the Neighbours section above, you'll see me and another editor have been slowly trying to sort the articles out and clear up any vandalism that occurrs (I've been kept very busy over the last few days, due to vandalism). I'd be happy to go around and properly cite references though. Thank you for your message. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
It's fine. Don't worry I wasn't pulling you up on the edit as such, more explaining why I changed it again. The better Neighbours articles are Carmella and Lyn's. They do have a couple of sources, Rebecca Napier's page is getting better too. Really they should be aiming to be like that of Pauline Fowler as with the aussie soap opera Home and Away... all there articles were deleted for not being notable, long term editors have a habit of getting notable pages deleted because no one cited references or wrote the article in a out of universe style. I'll re-edit Carmella's page again and then we can edit there others to the same level.. I'm sad I only really edit soap opera articles. :P Raintheone (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I've been trying to find and add sources to many of the characters pages recently as well as making sure they are written in an out of universe style. I don't think you're sad at all. I usually only edit the Neighbours pages and occasionally drift off and edit other pages that I find. Today I added edits to the Eastenders characters page and Portsmouth F.C., which are not my usual pages at all. :) - JuneGloom07 (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, is Libby still being credited as Libby Kennedy-Fitzgerald or have Neighbours changed her name back to Libby Kennedy? It's just someone on her page keeps changing her name back to Libby Kennedy above her photo but keeps the article as Libby Kennedy-Fitzgerald. I've reverted it because I know that just because she's seperated from Dan, does not mean to say that she will automatically go back to being called Libby Kennedy. Because Ben has Fitzgerald in his surname, she may well decide to stay Kennedy-Fitzgerald. Also her article name reads Kennedy-Fitzgerald so if she does decide to revert back to Kennedy we may have to request that the article is re-named. God why didn't she just decide to keep her surname as Kennedy when she married! --5 albert square (talk) 14:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey, in the last episode on Friday she was still being credited as Kennedy-Fitzgerald. I think we're going to have to wait till the episodes start again on 11th Jan to see if they change it back to Kennedy. Her divorce hasn't come through yet either, so she's still Kennedy-Fitzgerald. The writers never think of the Wikipedia editors when they change their character names, lol. Do you think a temporary hidden comment on the main cast list asking people not to change her name yet is needed? - JuneGloom07 (talk) 16:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed the bot too, that's why I stopped. It was late and I wanted something to do, lol. Will be keeping my eye on Libby and Ben's articles today, I've already found someone who had changed Ben's name back to Kirk. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 13:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, like I say the bot will get everything done eventually. Bless him though it's a little baby bot, he's only been around a month! Why would people want to change Ben's name back to Kirk? It's a mystery, he's credited as Fitzgerald on the credits and on the Neighbours website. I'm sure Neighbours know the names of their own characters! --5 albert square (talk) 21:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Whoop! An editor has agreed to review Neighbours as a good article! I would imagine that we will get their comments and thoughts at some point tomorrow --5 albert square (talk) 00:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Me too, though I think we should brace ourselves for the cast section. And yes I did think you were from Australia! I did try to view Oz pace once before but my computer doesn't like the torrents for some reason :( --5 albert square (talk) 00:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully, since we discussed the cast section before the review, it's not going to come as a total shock that it needs something doing to it. I'm just trying to think of all the things that it's going to be pulled up on. That's okay, I didn't say I wasn't from Aus and I did say I watched the eps at Aus pace. If you ever want to watch some eps at Aus pace I can give you a link and invite to the website where I get them from. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 00:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm thinking we might also get pulled up on the music section as it's really long and I don't think it has many reliable references. Hopefully it's stuff that can be sorted by looking up a book or something though. One thing I will say though is that Wikipedia prefer not to use blogs or fansites as references, I think because they're unreliable.
Yes, I was thinking about the references. The Locations section doesn't have any references in it all, so I think that might be brought up. The awards section will probably need some work too, it only seems to mention Logie Awards and nothing else. Thank you, I've added the review page to my watch list. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 00:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
{outdent} The locations section, I would hope, would be fairly easy to reference. I think I can find refs for Ramsay Street being called Pin Oak Court in real life etc as I'm sure I've edited that section before! I'll make a start just now and at least get the existing refs citing properly --5 albert square (talk) 00:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if you've seen my reply? Anyway, I see you had trouble with a vandal earlier! Idiot! I saw their talk page and they've obviously been making quite a nuisance of themself! HJMitchellYou rang? 17:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I did see your reply. That vandal clearly didn't like the fact I'd warned them about their edit to the Neighbours article. They became the first to vandalize my user page, luckily a kind editor reverted the vandalism. I've finally added some of the notable characters to the main page and the complete list to List of characters from Neighbours. Hopefully I've done it right. I need to work on the awards section now. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I noticed! You get used to it. I had a vandal on my userpage this morning. Apparently because I marked his page for speedy deletion (well if your page has been deleted twice, it might be an idea to take the hint!). That makes 4. I love rollback! You're doing good work. We're certainly getting there. I'll drop by later on, but drop me a line if you need anything beforehand! All the best, HJMitchellYou rang? 18:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, am I the only one that struggles to understand pages like WP:PROSE? Just been reading it as the review mentions something about prose, can't understand a word of what the page says! --5 albert square (talk) 02:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I think I understand some of WP:PROSE. Thanks for correcting my Harold mistake (cancel -> cancer), btw. I had to laugh when I saw that. I was working on the broadcasting section last night, using Eastenders as an example. The section is more up to date and doesn't look like a table anymore. I had fun finding refs for it, had to go hunting around foreign broadcasting websites. Luckily I had Google Translator to help out. Quick question though, there appears to be two sections in the article about UK broadcasting. One focuses more on the ratings then the one in the 'international broadcasting' section, do you think it should be moved or changed? - JuneGloom07 (talk) 11:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Replied on my talk page again. If it's not too much trouble (you can say no) would you mind watchlisting it just so I don't have to keep making trips here? Cheers, HJMitchellYou rang? 19:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I ended up going on Lorna Fitzgerald's Wikipedia page tonight and found it under attack, I suspect from a sockpuppet. Assumed good faith edits at first but eventually I did report him as being a suspected banned user of User: Ln_of_x. Anyway I remember reporting Ln of x before and thought I would check up on an old case. You can see my previous report at [[1]]. You can see that I reported 3 accounts, I thought I'd found a lot when I found them, but that pales into insignificance when you read that Wikipedia found a suspected 51 accounts for the same user! I nearly choked on my lemsip reading that! --5 albert square (talk) 01:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow, 51 accounts?! They sure didn't give up. Well done for spoting that and then reporting them. I don't know if you saw at HJ's page, he's going to create seperate page for the theme tune. We thought as it's a song in its own right, it should have an article of its own instead of consolidating the info into a few paragraphs. Also, the images that were added today were deleated, so I've re-added the Neighbours logo pic back. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 01:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah well that will now be 52 accounts. I alerted an admin who regularly edits the page too and he's just confirmed it's the same user. I must admit I was wondering what to do with the theme tunes myself, creating another page for them sounds a good idea --5 albert square (talk) 01:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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Once Neighbours has reached GA standard, do you think we should let them know about our achievement at WP:DYK? It's just from what I can see there, if articles have undergone a major expansion, if we nominate Neighbours, the article might put in an appearance on Wikipedia's main page! --5 albert square (talk) 01:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Well I've now looked into it more and I now think that is only for new articles which Neighbours definitely ain't! But what I did notice on the main page is they have a kind of notable dates section. I've sent an email to Wikipedia asking if we can nominate articles for that and if we can, how do we do it because it would be nice if Neighbours got a mention on their 25th birthday!
What's the weather like with you today? I'm still off sick today but it's been absolute mayhem outside my flat today! It's really bad in the East of Scotland, so far today I've seen 4 cars nearly run into each other head on outside my flat, our airport wasn't letting any flights take off and First bus weren't running buses! A police van went past before and took a skating lesson middle of the road! In the West of Scotland there was a plane that skidded off the runway --5 albert square (talk) 11:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
That's a shame Neighbours can't be featured on the main page, but I hope it gets a mention on its birthday. The weather in Portsmouth is nothing as crazy as that, we've just got rain. We had a bit of sunshine earlier, but that's been replaced by a huge, dark cloud. We had some snow last week, but none since. I heard about the plane in the West of Scotland, it was lucky that no one was injured. - JuneGloom07 (talk) 14:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Well thankyou. How thoughtful! Merry Christmas to you, as well. I doubt I'll be on here much for a few days but I'll be on around this time tomorrow to create the new day on the current events portal and ITN candidates page (I hide in the background areas of the Main Page when I'm not doing anything else!). Anyway, have a great day (or two) and drop us a line when you're back on and able to crack on with Neighbours! HJMitchellYou rang? 00:17, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Glad you had a good xmas. I'm more or less over my cold now, but spent Boxing Day in bed trying to get rid of it :(. I'll get started properly on the Neighbours article again tomorrow once I've heard back from HJ what still needs to be done --5 albert square (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Dear JuneGloom07, here is a little note to say thank you for your kind vote on my request for adminship which failed with a final result of (40/19/12).
Thank you for your participation in my RfA which I withdrew after concerns of my knowledge of policy. Special thanks are owed to Coffee, who defended me throughout and whom I cannot thank enough for the nomination; to 2over0 for being supportive and helpful; to A Stop at Willoughby for the thorough, thoughtful and articulate support rationale; to IP69.226.103.13 for maintaining composure and for a pleasant interaction on my talk page and, last but not least, to Juliancolton who was good enough to close the RfA at my request and, frankly, because an editor whom I respect so much found the time to support me! If the need for more admins at the main page is still apparent in a few months, I may try again. Thank you all for a relatively drama-free RfA and for providing me with much material from which to learn from my mistakes. You're all welcome to drop by my talk page any time. God save the Queen Wiki! HJMitchellYou rang? 18:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Happy New Year to you! You've become the first person to leave me a message on my nice, clean talk page, I thought I should archive my last one as it was getting quite long. Hope you're having a good New Year's day. :) - JuneGloom07 (talk) 14:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
To our newest Rollbacker
I have just granted you rollback rights because I believe you to be trustworthy, and because you have a history of reverting vandalism and have given in the past or are trusted in the future to give appropriate warnings. Please have a read over WP:ROLLBACK and remember that rollback is only for use against obvious vandalism. Please use it that way (it can be taken away by any admin at a moment's notice). You may want to consider adding {{Rollback}} and {{User rollback}} to your userpage. Any questions, please drop me a line. Best of luck and thanks for volunteering! upstateNYer23:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
God, have you seen the vandalism I had to revert tonight on the Ross Kemp page? I've had to request for the page to be protected it's that bad and I will personally eat my hat if it's not protected. Had a wee rant about the vandalism too at Talk:Ross Kemp! Bloody mindless vandals people! --5 albert square (talk) 03:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Woah, that was a lot of vandalism! I saw your 'rant' on the talk page, totally agree with you. I see the page was protected, so that's some good news. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Totally confused!
Hi
Thanks for the info on Neighbours. I'd forgotten about the 2004 fire! So that means there's at least 2 notable storylines as I remember Annalise Hartman accidentally blowing up the bar too years earlier.
Anyway, one editor has managed to totally confuse me tonight! Days ago I made an edit to the Max Tyler page, I removed that box that's appearing under the personality bit and said I was doing this as per WP:MOSFICT. Anyway tonight I got a message saying that Wikipedia doesn't have such strict rules and that just because Wikiproject EastEnders goes by this rule doesn't mean to say that Max Tyler should. Er, firstly, why would the rules apply to one article and not another? And secondly the character is from TV programme Waterloo Road, nothing to do with EastEnders, so what the hell has Wikiproject EastEnders got to do with things?! --5 albert square (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I think there has been some minor storylines too, but the only one I can remember at the moment is Stingray's memorial wall. I think Steph became a councilor to stop it being painted over/removed. I don't know if the park is included in the Lassiters complex, but there has been a few storylines involving it, including Libby finding Bridget's date, Chris Knight, close to death and I'm sure there has been a wedding or two there.
That is quite confusing. I don't understand what Wikiproject EastEnders has to do with it either. I would say Wikipedia has strict rules and what applies to one article must apply to all. I've just checked their user page and they've been blocked for possibly being a sock puppet. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Nor me, never mind. I asked an admins advice on him because I thought he was a sock puppet of User: The Twelfth Doctor but I wasn't 100% sure and I didn't want to go reporting newbies in case they're innocent! I had to laugh though reading their talk page and they ask why they're blocked, er what part of "suspected sockpuppet" do they not get!
Did you see someone posted on Neighbours that they had really low ratings toward the end of 2009? I reverted as there's nothing to back this up. --5 albert square (talk) 22:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Ha ha, 'why am I blocked?' I've just seen the Neighbours edit. I don't remember seeing or hearing anything about low ratings towards the end of 2009, I might have a quick look later just incase there is anything out there. Neighbours returns to Oz on Monday and I can't wait to see the first episode. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, me too, I'm hyper now! Too hyper to get some sleep! I think they send you a message if your nomination was successful or something but I'm not sure as I've never nominated anything before. I did think it was just for newbies at first but when I checked out the competition below her, the previous article was created by someone with over 24,000 edits! Was just thinking there I know Susan Bower probably doesn't use Wikipedia, but if she did and she logged on when she was mentioned on the main page, I'd love to see her face! --5 albert square (talk) 01:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
OK, just done some checking on the new WP:DYK, Susan Bower is 297 words long and apparently has to be 1,500 words long before it can be considered for the list! --5 albert square (talk) 01:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Ignore me, I'm trying to get used to some new Wikipedia software tonight and I've found that practising it on Susan Bower was not my best idea! The article is in fact long enough as it has to have over 1,500 characters and hers is over 1,700 according to my software! I think she's in line with WP:DYK now lol --5 albert square (talk) 01:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Woo!! Susan Bower has been accepted on to the main page! Apparently now the information I put on to the template will get removed, the admin I asked I think said within the next day or two, and moved to some sort of preparation area and will appear on the main page shortly! They'll never get me off Wikipedia now so I can see it on the main page! --5 albert square (talk) 07:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
That editor that we reverted the edits of yesterday on the Neighbours page is posting on my talk page not understanding why we reverted the edits. I've tried to explain but I don't think he gets what I'm meaning. I did try and explain more clearly before but believe it or not I'm at work and our fire alarm went off so I posted a VERY brief response! Ever since I came back in my Wikipedia page is all strange so I don't know what the heck I'm doing half the time! 5 albert square (talk) 15:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Omg, thank you! I've just seen that you had created the review page and was about to leave you a message. Wow, when did I nominate it? November? December? There's been a few changes to the page since then I think. Btw, I saw you patrolled the Doga (Dog Yoga) article. I cracked up when I saw the name in the list. - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries. I did a quick check of the history and saw a lot of IPs and new editors (I actually only saw about half a dozen edits by experienced editors in the last 50) so you may want to check any MOS issues and ensure it's all up to date. That cracked me up, too! I had to check to see if it was real, but I found articles from the BBC and the New York Times so there's not much I could do put patrol it and put a couple of tags on it! Dog yoga! Btw, I'll watch your page and the review page to save the blue bars! HJMitchellYou rang? 20:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll go check the article now and see what I can do. I think the plot section is going to be a problem, it's been changed more times then I can remember. I don't think anyone can agree on how it's supposed to be laid out. - JuneGloom07Talk? 21:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
oooooooooo edit edit edit edit edit! I just checked EastEnders page and it's been nominated so I don't see why we can't nominate Neighbours! Gonna wait a day or two though in case anyone objects! --5 albert square (talk) 20:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, had an article for years, never appeared on the main page before, then it's mentioned twice within 3 months! It's like the buses, you wait an age on one to appear then they all appear at once! When I create the article about the Lassiters complex I'm going to see if that can get mentioned on the main page too. I'm also going to create a page at some stage for Neal Kingston, Neighbours producer --5 albert square (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Patrolling
You marked Guru Guru Kuro-chan as patrolled. It is uncategorised, it has no references, it's been included in no WikiProjects and it might well not be notable. Why did you click the "Mark this page as patrolled" link without dealing with any of those issues? I've redirected it to Cyborg Kuro-chan#Opening music, as that's what it is. Fences&Windows23:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I apologize for that over sight. I've only just begun patrolling and guess I should go back and read the tip/rules again. Thank you for letting me know. - JuneGloom07Talk? 23:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I apologise for being abrupt, I didn't realise you were a newbie to new page patrolling. Thanks for joining in the effort. What I said might not be in the 'rules'. The way I look at new page patrolling is to not just tag articles or be a filter to weed out speedily-deletable material, but to also bash the articles into shape. So I try to add appropriate categories, add pages to WikiProjects that they fall under, wikify articles, add references and external links and hopefully expand the article, and if appropriate merge, redirect or propose deletion of the article. If NPPers are doing a good job, all the articles that are 3-4 weeks old (see [2]) should be at least decent stubs, and there shouldn't be any unsourced or obviously non-notable topics among them. As many NPPers do "drive-by tagging", many actually still need improvement (or deletion) and may not be cleaned up for months or years. This is particularly a problem with BLPs, there are 50,000 unsourced BLPs dating back to October 2006, and hundreds or thousands more make it through the NPP each month. Fences&Windows23:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'll definitely try to expand the new pages and find reliable sources. Do you think you could give your opinion on this page, Comparative anatomy (band)? I've searched for further references and all I can find is the band's MySpace page, which leads me to believe the band/page has a problem with notibilty. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I think Wikipedia:No one cares about your garage band applies! I've also checked and there's no coverage in reliable sources (and barely any in unreliable sources) and the style is typical of someone talking up their band: "the band has recently become a growing force in the experimental and noise music scenes. In spite of the band's short existence...". PROD it, then AfD if removed. Fences&Windows00:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi June, I've just got round to looking at this and, I'm going to be quite frank (don't take it personally. Please!) and say I could probably quick-fail it based on the lack of refs, the lack of formatting and essential data in the refs and the massive plot summary. As with Neighbours, though, if you have the time and inclination to bring it up to scratch I'll be happy to leave it on hold for as long as it takes, but I just wanted to warn you- it will take some work. HJMitchellYou rang? 04:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh no, don't say that!
I should get to work on it then. I'm trying to find the date when the plot summary was changed, the current one is too long and the previous one was a lot better. I think it'll be easier to find refs for this article then Neighbours, since I don't have twenty-five years of news stories to go through. I've found a couple of other films that have already got GA status to help me out. - JuneGloom07Talk? 13:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
As long as you know what you're up against- it won't be easy, but I'll do as much as I can as a reviewer to help you. The first thing I suggest you do is search google and google news/archives for any decent sources. I know (from my random perusing of WP:GA and WP:GAN that Hancock is a very good article on a relatively recent film. Giv me five mintes and i'll translate my hastily scribbled notes into a review and we can start this off. I won;t be far away if you need me (though I am going for lunch when I've done that!). All the best, HJMitchellYou rang? 13:48, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the article is really looking good. I saw the note on the GA review from HJMitchell about cutting down the plot. I think it looks pretty trimmed already, but that's just me. As far as using semicolons after the cast section names, I think it would look better to have colons, but again, that's just me. Atlantabravz (talk) 14:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I've been working on cutting down the plot, but it still needs trimming. It should be around 700 or so words. I was working on it last night and I think I've got it down to a better number, I'll upload it soon. The semi colons were used in place of ====, the contents table looks much shorter and neater for it. I don't know if colons work on Wiki in the same way. - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for your message. As you mentioned, I reverted your edit last year as you changed information without providing reliable references to back it up. Well done for finding the sources, I know how hard it can be to find them. I've asked another editor to add the information and refs to the Neighbours page as I'm currently in the middle of preparing an article to be uploaded. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Someone's been active on the Neighbours page, this time removing info about the actors under the notable actors section. They say it's because the info belongs on the actors page rather than the soaps page. I thought the whole point of the section was to say why they're notable, as in the case of Delta Goodrem, they've not only been in Neighbours for a couple of years and then not gone on to anything. Therefore would that not include a BRIEF explanation of what they've gone on to afterwards? I was just going to revert it but thought I would get a second opinion first --5 albert square (talk) 03:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I agree with you. I was following the example set by The Bill when I added the notable cast members. Surely if the information wasn't supposed to be there HJ would have mentioned it in the GA review? - JuneGloom07Talk? 12:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Ta! I hope it is too! That's the second time within a month that someone related to Neighbours has been mentioned on the front page, and Neighbours itself is hopefully appearing on the front page in March! If Neighbours doesn't appear on the front page it'll definitely be appearing on the On This Day section somewhere. Bet you nobody related to Home and Away has ever been mentioned! --5 albert square (talk) 23:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I've started a discussion at Talk:Neighbours that may be of interest to you. HJ has advised that we keep an eye on this page just now as some people seem to be trying to drag it down the road of an edit war. You might also want to read up on three-revert rule. Fed up of edit wars tonight! --5 albert square (talk) 03:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Can I ask a favour?
I'm about to create an article. I can assure you the subject is notable, don't worry, but drive by tagging by new page patrollers pisses me off when I'm trying to build an article so would you mind patrolling it for me? You can use this link to isolate my edits from the rest. Just reply here to let em know you're online and I'll click save! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
An article that you worked on, Pamela Paulshock, is now up for deletion. You are welcome to comment on the deletion page. Thank you. Ikip23:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
you can change your !vote. You can also contact Pamela on her talk page, or email here, if the email still works. I have done that before several times. She would know sources about herself better than anyone else. Ikip00:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Mexicali
Hi June, I'm restoring the changes that user Talpis done without any talk/discussion, apparently the account was created to make such changes in English and Spanish wiki, please check the user contributions. Cheers.Jcmenal (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello, JuneGloom07. You have new messages at Tadija's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Yes I posted on the talk page. I'm not sure that MOS if graded by GA, but I was working on that. I noticed that one reference was to the IMDb trivia page (yikes), so I added an "unreliable" tag next to it so someone can try and find a better source. I've split up the Production section into mini-sections per WP:MOSFILM; would like to add more to it, like "Casting", etc. The "Cast" list is too long and detailed, IMO. Some of the details and sources could be moved in a said, "Casting" section. Some sentences seem choppy, and doesn't flow very well. I haven't seen the film, yet.. I rented the DVD today and plan on watching it later tonight. I had seen that the article was going for a GA, so I figured it must be a good movie. Oh and Brad Pitt is in it. LOL I'm about to go somewhere, but should be back soon and look further into the article. :) —MikeAllen00:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll search now for another ref to replace that IMDb trivia one. I was thinking that the cast section was still too detailed. You should have seen it before I edited/cut it down! I'm thinking of using the example set by Precious (which has just been listed as a GA), and have all the details of casting seperate. I might have a play around with it in my sandbox. I hope you enjoy watching the film, but if you hate it, will you still help me out? Lol. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
It has a 89% rating on RT out of 255 reviews.. so it must be good. I have no idea what it is about, only that it involves Nazis. I've never seen a trailer either. About to watch it in a few and yes I'll still help if the movie sucks. ;) —MikeAllen04:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, what did you think of the film? I've been working on trimming the cast section this afternoon in my sandbox, I've based it upon the layout used at Precious. It'll look better with the two pictures added to it, but it's no longer over detailed and long. What do you think? - JuneGloom07Talk? 17:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
It was really good. Best I've seen this year, after Angels & Demons. Brad Pitt's accent got on my nerves at times, and I'm from the south too. lol Anyways, I should have explained it better. Normally the "Casting" section goes under the Production section. The Cast list, is just a list. Although some editors (me included) believe a Cast list should be removed if the cast is covered in the plot. For example: "In France in 1941, SS Colonel Hans Landa (Christoph Waltz) [...]" etc. What do you think about this? Your summary looks a lot better for the Cast. Also, what date format (for refs) should be use? The US format or German (which I assume is like 30 January, 2010)? Usually it goes by the country of the film. PS. You don't have leave talkbacks if you don't want, I have your page on my watchlist. —MikeAllen20:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm glad you liked the film. I do think covering the cast in the plot is a good idea, but maybe for smaller casts? We can put the casting bit in the production, I was just using the same layout of Precious. I'm not too sure about the refs, I've been using the '30 January 2010' format, but that's just me. We can change them if you think they should be done a different way though. - JuneGloom07Talk? 21:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Well the dates usually go by the film's main country (such as the main production companies), and I see it's a "German" film... and I figured maybe they do the dates like the UK does. Also, most of the dates were in the US format, and I think the GA review checks the consistency of all the formatted dates (maybe it's the FA). So I changed them all to January 31, 2010 format. I also noticed a lot of citations of the site Tarantino.info, which appears to be a fansite and a wiki. What do you think about it? :-\ —MikeAllen20:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed the Tarantino.info refs too when I was trying to sort the refs out (they were a mess when I started work on the article) and I replaced a few. It has to be a fansite as Quentin doesn't have an official website. I'll have a look for some new sources now since I'm not busy. - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I would say no.. I haven't seen any good or feature articles using headings like that. Probably something the Wikia would do. :P —MikeAllen21:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The cast list was just a waste of space, and I have to go with what I originally thought to begin with, it's best in the plot and casting section. I just don't think that a list is not very suitable for an encyclopedia and is best put in prose. Ok, not I will begin searching for better sources. —MikeAllen21:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Oops, I've just added one from Variety. I'll leave the next one (35) to you though. I've just found an article about Brad Pitt's casting, so I might play around with a couple of sentences in my sandbox. - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Well we have been busy! I'm glad to see the article is coming on despite my weekend away! About those dates- for the refs, you can use any format you like (as long as you give the day, month and year) as long as it's consistent. You could use 31 January, 21; 31 January 2010; 2010-01-31; 31/01/10 etc etc. Quite why there are so many different ways of formatting the same thing, I have no idea! Anyhow, I'll around-ish (somewhere) if you want me. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 22:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying that. I went through and changed it all to the US format, because that's how most were used in the article. I also can't stand the 2010-01-31 format, and I think it's frowned upon for the FA review (depending on the reviewer, I guess). I've read that the January 31, 2010 (written out) is preferred anyway, and I agree, it looks more encyclopedic. Also an editor yesterday went through and added italics to all the "work=" parameters. I guess they didn't know that WP automatically renders "work" in italics. Also, in case you didn't know June (it took me a while to catch on), Variety is the work, while Reed Business Information the publisher. Los Angeles Times is the work, while Tribune Company is the publisher, etc I used to get it all backwards. If you want I have a list (not complete) of most of the popular publishing information that is used on WP, like who the correct publisher is for a body of work, if you want me to add it in your sandbox, I can. —MikeAllen22:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I was just thinking about that, I think we should remove it. We can always add it back if we find a ref for it later. I was just wondering if we should mention somewhere in the article that Tarantino is planning a prequel to the film? - JuneGloom07Talk? 23:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the QT cameo info as I can't find a ref for it, I'll keep on looking for one though. On another note, I've just watched Quentin on the red carpet at the Grammy awards, the Inglourious soundtrack was nominated, but lost out to Slumdog Millionaire. I think he's going to be presenting an award though. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Don't worry about the "work=" thing, I didn't know about it either. That's a very good interview there in the first source. He mentions you could hear his voice "a little bit", so I'm not sure if that counts as a cameo. It does have some info on a potential prequel though, which could come in handy. I'll find out if we're going to mention the prequel in the article and we can add the ref for it. The second source is definitely good from a production point of view, we just need to work out where to put place it within the article. I like how the interview is conducted with Eli in a record shop, lol. Thank you for taking the time to find them! :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 19:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if we have enough for a Sequel/Prequel section: "Or I could do a prequel to this movie, because I have half of it written. It's actually a story about the Basterds with a bunch of black troops. The truth is that I don't really know what's next, but I really like being in that square one position." I suppose it could be briefly mentioned in the Development and writing section?
Also things like this ""We almost got incinerated," Roth exclaimed during a recent outing to Hollywood's Amoeba Music, where he was riffling through racks of DVDs. "The fire comes up. They thought it was going to burn at 400 degrees centigrade and it burned at 1,200. That's like 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit! You see the swastika fall. It was not supposed to. It was fastened with steel cables; the steel liquefied." would be good in the production section. You writing about the seven-inch vinyl, could go in the soundtrack, unless someone challenges it as "trivia". —MikeAllen21:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey. Sorry for the late reply, got a bit side tracked with L'Homme Qui Marche I yesterday evening. I'll have a look at adding the prequel info to the Development and writing section. I won't worry about the single, I don't think it's that important and it can always be added to the soundtrack article. Do you want to add the fire info to the production section? - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Someone from AOL [3]. That figures. It was kind of disgusting too. Another IP reverted most of it. I didn't catch it in my watchlist. —MikeAllen20:23, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I had an IP come to my userpage and put that I suck *****, just randomly. LOL! I have never had a run in with that IP. An admin quickly reverted it. Strange people on here. I was wondering if he was going to review again, or if you have re apply it through GA. I added Saw VI to GA, but I'm sure it'll be months before someone grades it. Do you think I could ask him if he could check it out when he has time, or can you do that? Thanks for jumping in and reverting those edits on Saw VII, I was close to 3RR. :-) —MikeAllen23:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Yup, it's legit. Probably just got some reports from another countries box office results. Also, is it worth noting DVD sales? [4] —MikeAllen01:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Rebecca Robinson
Hi
I've had someone complain on my talk page about the Rebecca Robinson page. They're complaining that I keep putting Declan's father as unknown. Now I vaguely remember it being mentioned that Richard Aaranow is his father but as there's no reliable sources that I can find to back this up, I put his father as being unknown. I can find references that state that Aaranow is heavily implied as being his dad but there's a difference between heavily implied and actually being named!! This person has reverted my edits so I've just stuck a citation template on the page to see if anyone can find any sources that comply with WP:RS. Do you know if there's any? --5 albert square (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey. I'm the same as you, I can remember Richard being mentioned as Declan's father. I'll just have a quick search to see if I can find any references. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Got one. I just remembered that I added a ref to Richard's article a while ago that mentioned Oliver and declan shared the same father. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Not a problem, the ref is Oliver Barnes' Bio from the official Neighbours website. I'm fine, been working on Inglourious Basterds, trying to get it up to GA status and I've been hanging around the recent changes page too. How about you? Is it just me or has there been a slight decrease in the activity around the Neighbours character articles lately? No one's added any plot spoilers or vandalism, even the infobox editors haven't been as active. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Can you add the ref again then please for the confirmation. I've just added info on the creation of the character to the article. It's already starting to read more like a work of fiction. :) Raintheone (talk) 01:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, yeah I had noticed that, it's ever since two of the rollbackers said they didn't know how Neighbours and The Bill passed GA status and thought they should fail as they had refs the wrong side of the full stop? Anyway we basically told them to go ahead, contest it see how far they got and we've never heard a peep since so I'm presuming they came up with the answer not very! --5 albert square (talk) 01:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Only just noticed you added the ref. Woop. I added more info, think it helped? Only just got around to editing the character articles, always said I would, think i spoke to you on here before about it.Raintheone (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I need both of you to help me out on something. I've made quite a few edits now to the page. I know of a good casting piece I want to add, but don't know how to include it. Basically Jane Hall nearly quit the series on her first day of filming after she was unhappy with the pace and the fact she messed her first scenes up, I've searched for this. I found this Video, but it's on Youtube, it says everything I need for a source there, but we can't use youtube can we. I know that cites can be done from factual TV programmes if you get the date etc... how do I go about it then?Raintheone (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to cite TV programmes. I know it can be done as I've seen it too. Perhaps, you could ask at the Help desk, I'm sure someone can help you out there. :) Good work with Rebecca's article, btw. Once I've finished getting Inglourious Basterds up to GA status, I'm going back to focusing on the Neighbours articles. Some of them need a lot of work. - JuneGloom07Talk? 17:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello again. Thanks for the links. After asking about with the people at the top, even a youtube video can be used if it adds to the article, but it has to have the correct info, so in this case it the cite tags will have Ten network, rove, the air date, access date and the youtube URL... now how helpful will that be for fictional character articles. So many videos containing interviews on the net that will make these articles better. Glad I inquired to you and them now. :0 thanks again. Raintheone (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Is it just me........
Or is there a heck of a lot of vandals about tonight?
It's definitely not you. I've been hanging around the Recent changes page this evening and I thought there was an increase in vandal activity. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Erm...
I hate to be a spoil sport, but I think I'm right in saying you've nominated L'Homme Qui Marche I for DYK. Trouble is, if it's been nominated for ITN, it's ineligible for DYK. Anyway, more people will read it if it goes on ITN but I suggest you take it off T:TDYK beofre someone else finds an even more complicated rule (DYK is full of them). HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 01:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to disappoint you! I didn't know about that myself until a few weeks ago. Never mind, it'll likely see its way on to ITN and it'll get more views (I think the average DYK hook get <5k views but the average ITN blurb get ~17k). I'm probably going to retire for the night after a check of the enormous watchlist. If you can get L'Homme Qui Marche I to good start class or low C class standard, it has a better chance of going up- don't forget to search the news archives ;-)! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 01:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I need to retire for the night too before I fall asleep at the keyboard. I am searching the news archives, not sure how much more I can add to it tonight though. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
In that case, I think I'll go to bed and carry on working on it in the morning. I'm sure there'll be some more stories on it by then too. - JuneGloom07Talk? 01:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
ITN for L'Homme Qui Marche I
On 4 February 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article L'Homme Qui Marche I, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
Hey! I'm not a fan of Home and Away, but I do read the news stories about it on Digital Spy (mainly to pass on the info to a friend of mine). Kate quit in 2007 and I can't find any evidence that she's returning to the show anytime soon. I think the same IP went around adding Harold, Sky, Carmella and Valda to the Neighbours returning characters list. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:10, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah it is. I know that Ian returned to Neighbours as part of the 25th birthday celebrations, however the character of Harold did not return. The same person also added to Anemone Projectors subpages that Stacey Slater is pregnant by Bradley Branning. In that case I must be watching the other side because I'm sure I heard Stacey say that she's pregnant by Archie Mitchell, and judging by his edit, so did Anemone! I know sometimes EE verges on the unbelivable but even they'd be stretching it if they said that Stacey was going to have 2 babies by 2 separate men at the same time! --5 albert square (talk) 00:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Lol, I'm pretty sure that I heard Stacey was pregnant by Archie too. I think that IP is either part of a group who can't accept that Harold left Neighbours or just one person using multiple computers. I've had to revert the same info so many times now. If Harold was returning, even for a few episodes, I think we'd hear about it. Oh, I reverted some vandalism on your user page earlier, someone wasn't happy about a warning you gave them on the 29 Jan. - JuneGloom07Talk? 12:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Alfie Moon
What is with all the vandalism on his and Kat Moons pages tonight? I mean seriously! I've requested protection for Alfie Moon by the way.
Nothing compared to the vandalism I came across last night at UFC 109. Never even heard of the thing until yesterday when I had to ask for protection. Even ClueBot wasn't getting a look in to revert the edits! --5 albert square (talk) 00:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I was just about to ask you the same thing. I was having a look at the Recent changes page when I saw the first IP vandalize the article, I've just been keeping an eye on it ever since. I'm also keeping an eye on the Super Bowl pages, they're getting chnaged/vandalized left, right and centre. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
My page had to be locked because of all the vandalism. Locked for 3 days so it's joining the likes of Kat Moon and Alfie Moon meantime. All because I reverted vandalism! **sigh** --5 albert square (talk) 23:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't think so, from what I can see the last edits were an hour ago. They must've got fed up when me and Beeblebrox protected our pages lol --5 albert square (talk) 00:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
That's helpful, not. Hopefully it was just that one and the others are okay.
Thank you for giving that IP the warning btw, I went to their page and saw you'd beaten me to it. Might have to take Beeblebrox up on his offer to protect my talk page for a few hours. - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I told them off for not starting a discussion about it in the first place, specially since they could've set up a page for something like Peter O'Brien (filmmaker) and left ours alone!
Well Peter O'Brien thickens! The page that some editor put there in place of ours has been moved to Peter O'Brien (filmmaker) and a disambiguation page has now been set up at Peter O'Brien which is now marked for deletion! If that is deleted, I am proposing to move ex-Neighbours actor Peter back to where he was in the first place haha --5 albert square (talk) 22:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Would you like me to call you up a page protect...
On 11 February 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Alexander McQueen, which you substantially updated and recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
Wow! Thank you. :) I had a look back through the history of the article yesterday and found that it was created by an IP in December 2003. I wonder if they've seen what's happened to their article since? I see there's been a little debate about whether Alexander's death should have gone up on ITN. I understand that he wasn't as widely known across the world as some fashion designers (say Chanel, Versace & Dior), but he was important in the fashion world and many news outlets across the world have had reports on his death. - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I know! I had to change the date to the 16th from the 12th, since I haven't gone away yet. I'll definitely take the weekend off, I need to recover from my cold and actually look at my Uni work. I didn't mean to get involved with the Alexander McQueen article as much as I did today. I thought I'd nominate it on ITN and see if it was supported, then I took a look at the article and saw it needed some work. On top of that, I created another Ugly Betty episode article, Smokin' Hot, earlier this afternoon. - JuneGloom07Talk? 00:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Well you say you'll take the weekend off...........
By the way I see that one of the IPs that vandalised my page the other night has been blocked again. I reverted one of their edits earlier without even realising who they were lol. They're even insulting the admin to get unblocked and the admin are even surprised at the level of their personal attacks. So was I the other night --5 albert square (talk) 00:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Ugly Betty
I've noticed overly long descriptions of episodes, and when I went to read the overly long description of the latest one, it wasn't there. I like those long descriptions but have always realized they shouldn't be there according to the rules of Wikipedia.
So is it fair to leave all those excessive descriptions of other episodes? I like having them since at home I'm reluctant to visit a lot of sites due to potential problems.Vchimpanzee· talk·contributions·21:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi. You're right that the overly long plot descriptions shouldn't be there, plot summaries should follow the guidelines set in WP:PLOT. I understand that long plot summaries can be useful to readers, but most of them turn the article into a blow-by-blow account of the episode. One of the Ugly Betty episodes was recently up for deletion because it pretty much only contains a plot summary, it was kept with the consensus to trim the plot. All of the Ugly Betty episode plot summaries will need to be looked at and trimmed eventually. Ideally they should look something like How About a Friendly Shrink?. The references used in the Smokin' Hot article detail the plot of the episode a lot more and I've had no problems accessing/using them. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 22:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I was just about to message you about him, but I realise you've edited his page! Anyway, I've nominated him for the Did You Know section, so maybe Neighbours will get ANOTHER mention!
Hey. I've only done a few minor edits today, so I'm doing better with the Wikibreak. I noticed the Jordan Smith article on the recent changes page and thought I'd have a look. Good work with it and yet another DYK nom, Neighbours is slowly taking over the main page. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 23:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, hopefully he will get on. I used the fact that he's from Scotland to nominate it, it should read something along the lines of "Did you know that Neighbours actor Jordan Smith was born in Scotland and didn't emigrate to Australia until 2003?" Dunno about you but I didn't know he was scottish! Apparently his accent has caused Neighbours to re-write the characters background because he should have a Brazilian accent! --5 albert square (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Honestly Wikipedia makes me laugh sometimes. Nominated Jordan Smith the other day for DYK, checked back yesterday to find that it was approved, but there was a note from admin saying that he narrowly made it and something to do with a low audience margin? Someone replied and said they didn't see how Neighbours would have a low audience margin as it has been broadcasting for 25 years and has been sold to 57 countries, which I thought was a fair comment. Checked back today and someone has posted asking for references that Neighbours has been broadcasting for decades to different countries. Apparently this person is 100% certain that Neighbours has never broadcast in America, so obviously not a fan! I couldn't help but think "er, if you actually click on the link that says Neighbours, you will get taken to the Neighbours article which has a section about it's 25th birthday complete with references and under the international broadcasts says that it was broadcast to 57 countries again complete with references"! Aside from anything else, I really don't see what that has to do with the actor. Even if Neighbours didn't have high audience figures, that's hardly the actors fault! --5 albert square (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
On 19 February 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2010 Kohistan avalanche, which you substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.
I hope not either! I've had a cold and cough since last week, but I woke up today feeling terrible. I'll be around to make a few small edits when I can, but otherwise I'm going to spend my time trying to get better. :) - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
JohnCD
Thankyou for your friendly advice ! Unlike the above mentioned ( an arrogant little dweeb ) who appears to consider himself 'GOD'. He deservres all this bile... and more ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.3 (talk) 15:58, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia Domination
Haha looks like Neighbours will be getting mentioned on the front page on it's anniversary provided nothing else more important comes along. Some people go for world peace, some for world domination, Neighbours is quite happy just taking over Wikipedia's main page lol!
Go Neighbours! I hope nothing else comes along to get it removed, I really want to see it on the main page again.
EastEnders was great on Friday! I wasn't expecting that ending though, poor Bradley. :( I didn't guess the killer either. I was pretty sure it wouldn't be Peggy, Ronnie, Phil or Janine, but had no idea it would be Stacey. Stefan Dennis (Paul Robinson) has said he'd like Neighbours to do a live episode now, I'm not sure if it would be as dramatic as EastEnders' though.
I'm currently editing Sophie Ramsay's article, trying to bring it up to date. Toadie's article only needs a couple of sentences mentioning his plan with Steph and his relationship with Sonya, so I'll add them too afterwards. Oh, we're gonna have to go round unlinking Erinsborough High from the infoboxes, now the article has been deleted. - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Inglourious Basterds - Jackson & Keitel's Cameos
Have you seen the movie? It's clearly them. If IMDB isn't a reliable source of credits info, why is it used as a reference in the article (see footnote 64) as well as listed as an external link? And there is a bit of irony in someone on Wiki accusing another site of not being a reliable source of info given this is, well, Wikipedia for cripe's sake. It's not necessarily known for being a paragon of informational integrity.
Anyway, it's all quite true, both Jackson and Keitel did the voiceovers, (it's painfully clear when you see the film), there are references to it all over the web, IMDB probably being the most current and accurate of them all. Go figure. UnlikelyJapan (talk) 20:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I have seen the movie and I am aware that they both feature in it. The article is currently going through a GA review and is being brought up to GA status. One of the other editors I am working with has previously removed IMDb links in the article as they were considered unreliable and I was following that example. Reference No.64 will eventually be removed and replaced. If you could find another reference/s that mention the cameos then please add the information again. - JuneGloom07Talk? 20:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Afternoon. I've left you a few more points to address at Talk:Inglourious Basterds/GA1. Also, as regards the use of imdb, it's a contentious area, especially where GA is concerned, but it can be used for certain things as long as they're failry uncontroversial. You'd probably be able to use it for cast information (as 5asq and I did for The Bill) but if you do use it, make sure you don't become overly reliant on it and if you can find a better source, use that instead. As ever, I'm around if you want me! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I saw you added some new points earlier. I'll have a proper look at them later today, I'm trying to do some Uni work atm and keep getting distracted by Wiki. - JuneGloom07Talk? 14:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The infobox is for the staring roles and should only be a brief summary, much like the lead. I went by who was in the lead. 300 was promoted to FA three years ago. —MikeAllen21:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember, and didn't mean to do this. I must have accidentally clicked [rollback] on my watchlist. Once you click it, it doesn't give you a warning, it's done. Also, having so many tabs open doesn't help. Sorry. :-S —MikeAllen00:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
No problem June! There's sooo much to do here. You can see my user page for a list of articles I'm always working on. It keeps getting bigger... What do you think about the Award section being called "Accolades"? A recent consensus was to rename award and nomination pages to "List of accolades received by [..]" I thought the term "Accolades" would match the article's name, so I used it for the section title also. Personally I don't like that word, and prefer Award and nominations. What is your opinion? —MikeAllen01:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Facebook can't be counted as a reliable source as absolutely anyone can have a Facebook page. So yes we should wait until it's confirmed by a reliable source --5 albert square (talk) 03:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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