I knew you had to be a Mac user; moi aussi, although I do tend to prefer Safari to Firefox. What have you got qua hardware? I'm on a Power PC iMac desktop, sadly showing its age a little these days. Looking longingly at a new Intel-based model. See you like userboxes – I have a dinky little Apple one on my userpage, feel free to snatch and customise it if you wish. --Richardrjtalk email10:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just need one of these, I'm not fussy which exact model. I know, the whole Intel thing is a sad development but the way things are going, some software is already only available for Intel-based Macs, so the time to jump ship is fast approaching. If you like Powerbooks then this is the baby for you. As for how I knew you're a Mac person, it was the combination of beauty and brains mention of Safari that gave it away. I thought it was only available for Macs, but maybe I'm wrong. Astutely, --Richardrjtalk email10:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just as an aside, AppleWorks – now there's a creaky piece of software. Suggest you take a look at Pages, which is probably pre-installed on your laptop. Not free to get full use of it unfortunately, but it's stratospherically better than AW and also knocks MS Word into a cocked sunhat. Si-ick! --Richardrjtalk email11:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just keep up that brilliant "prosification" and you're getting more if others recognize your works. I'm not a good editor but I hate copy editors who are too much, but you're not one of them Keep it up. --Efe (talk) 09:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Damn. My English is just not good. But you are here so I am fine. Yeah, we can make this, but I requested the reviewer to delist the nom. I was too confident to nominate it prematurely. --Efe (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Im a stupid gay, really. I haven't finished this yet, but I worked on Nights in Rodanthe. See now, I am pressured! My! I requested before but Skomorokh considered extending the "deadline". And then I requested again, following our petty "edit war". hehe. =) --Efe (talk) 12:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am actually aware of it, but what you have changed was not in my "brain". I don't know how to fix this whole quotation: "she has the same simple refinement as the hedgehog: a deceptively indolent little creature, fiercely solitary – and terribly elegant". without changing "solitary – and terribly" to "solitary—and terribly". --Efe (talk) 12:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, not a edit war, that's why its written with "_". I was to drop you an e-mail, but I think its not possible. --Efe (talk) 12:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its OK. Here, its around 8:30, so Im about to off. You're living in Australia right? So its probably around 11 there. Good night, Julia. --Efe (talk) 12:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you're still awake. As you can see here Talk:The Elegance of the Hedgehog/GA1, Skomorokh really don't want to fail the article, as "requested". Since I have added more, could you please fix a little if there are any obvious ungrammatical phrasing? Thanks, Julia. --Efe (talk) 12:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on User_talk:Catherineyronwode#Please_keep. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Verbalchat11:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't exactly understand your problem at the DYK/T page ("having trouble with the format of references as given in the article"). Could you elaborate further? Thanks! Bsimmons666 (talk) Friend?21:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, no problem. By the way - hopefully this doesn't make things unnecessarily complicated - if you are pointing to the reference directly above the one you are making, you can just say ibid. then the pg. # - see the wiki article. Bsimmons666 (talk) Friend?21:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand you correctly: <ref name="a">Book A, p. 23</ref><ref name="b">Book B, p. 176</ref><ref name="ibid">''Ibid''. p. 37</ref>
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Member in Focus
Hi, I have been around this project for quite some time now. Bit of a hiatus earlier this year, but back now just contributing. The Novels WikiProject wasn't started by me but my interest in the subject initially attracted me to what was here. It has developed substantially in the last few years and now takes in all forms of Narrative Prose Fiction within its scope. We are about the content not the format of the prose so WP:Books differs a little in that an implied format is entailed; also they can also focus more clearly on non-fiction. WP:Literature are the "new boys on the block" and are a little more focused on the "quality" aspects of literature, and again they have less emphasis on pure fiction and the prose aspect. Our biggest problem is to maintain a certain focus of interest across such a broad subject area and we need workers who can develop task forces, teams for assessment, teams for peer review and so much more. "So much to do, so little time, I'm late, I'm late, I'm late" to misquote from Alice in Wonderland.
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Over the last month I have been working on a portal for our project. So am happy to announce that the Novels Portal is now up and running.
Boylo: Thank you for getting this newsletter back on its feet and going again. No Boylo equals no Novels Portal...heck, without you, we wouldn't have had a newsletter for these past months...so, for all of the members of the Novels WikiProject, I want to thank you for the time and effort you have put into this project, and I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors. Thanks, pal.
This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Novel. As this is our Project's premier article, all members are asked to assist. The next collaboration is due for selection on 21 November, 2008 so cast your vote.
Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other.
Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.
Hi Jules (may I call you Jules?), thanks v much for the sound advice. Frankly it'll probably never happen, I have a full-time job and I don't have the time to devote to it, publisher or not, so it's likely to remain a pipe (pipa?) dream for the foreseeable future. As for why there's not already a biography, maybe just no-one's thought of it. --Richardrjtalk email14:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Car star
That Weir film looks great, I need to see it. (No girls in parasols though, I take it.) This car was also quite unpleasant. BTW my hero Leonard Cohen is visiting your part of the world next year [1], do go if you get the chance, his show is amazing. Still trying to get out of these blasted knots, typing with my nose is quite hard. --Richardrjtalk email10:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Saw your Mexican singer response, nice work but you suggested a copy-paste approach to scanning those categories. Took me a while to work this one out but you can wikify them, it's just not very intuitive. You need to put a colon before the word Category as well, i.e. [[Category:Mexican singers]] doesn't work but [[:Category:Mexican singers]] gives Category:Mexican singers. Adios, --Richardrjtalk email06:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cake
Thank you for the encouragement. I went to go see what edit I made and could not find myself in the article history. Gee, I'm starting to get amazing at this! :) LilHelpa (talk) 13:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! Thanks for tracking that down. Hey, and thanks for all you do around here. Seems like you should be eating some top-of-the-line cake yourself! LilHelpa (talk) 14:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When writing a biography its quite normal to divide the events of the life from a description of the works. A list in which each stage of a person's life has a major heading and then each work etc also has a major heading is inappropriate and often confusing. Even though Ross's page is not long, it has been divided just as I would for any other artist/writer etc Life with several subheadings, then Work.
His work was not a series of events that followed the event of settling in Australia. His work began in the US and continued in Ausdtralia. That paragraph talking about his method and his subjects is not soemthing you can place chronologically.
Very few biographies require major headings for the chronologic sequence of the person's life. In general the major headings are:
Life, Works (ie paintings, publications, albums or whatever), Honours, Influence etc.
The use of too many major headings and a lack of understanding about how to divide things into appropriate sections and sub-sections is an on-going wiki-problem.
Hi Amandajm, it's a nice article. Please be careful not to "own" it. It depends what you mean by normal because the formatting I follow is how I understood WP:MOS and is the majority sequence found in biographies. "Life" is something like putting "Biography" as a section head which is re-stating the type of article it is. For example, it would seem pointless to put "Novel" as a section in an article about a novel. It's rather vague to say it's an ongoing wiki problem because people may find your favoured stylistics a problem. You might like to check with someone in the biographies project – and I may have missed a new ruling. In that case would appreciate a link in support of your view. Thanks, Julia Rossi (talk) 21:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are right that putting Biography as a heading is inappropriate, since the article is basically a bio, of course. We will go back to Life as a major heading, because, as stated above Life with appropriate subheadings, Work or Works, with appropriate subheadings, and Influences, with appropriate subheadings, are commonly used within wikipedia biographies. see El Greco which is an FA.
Let me reiterate that the section of Ross's Work is not a chronological section. It is a section which covers aspects of his work from the time he was trained until almost the day he died. It cannot be fitted into the chronology of his life.
Coming at a person with an accusation of an "ownership" issue, simply because they correct your formatting is not pleasant.
Thanks for all your messages.. I've been around a little bit as an IP, but just decided to log in and contribute as Froth again ヽ(´ー｀)ノ .froth. (talk) 18:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the push, I've started the page. Would you have time to help? It's very basic, and I'm not especially great at placing images or finding the right categories. I began organizing it by individual mythology, but an organization by motif might be just as good and more interesting, once there is more material. I found it fascinating too :) WikiJedits (talk) 22:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I really am looking for help though :) I don't know what DYK is, if it's something that should be done perhaps you could look after that part? WikiJedits (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Julia. Thank you for the nom and the link. It looks fine to me.
Re the version in your sandbox, "Portrayal in myth" looks wonderful, why don't you put it in? The only thing that looks weird is the bit about the white horse sometimes being black, I think that's confusing. Perhaps omit it to read: As part of its legendary dimension, the white horse in myth may be depicted with seven heads (Uchaishravas), or eight feet (Sleipnir).
(Re: Sleipnir, I think we can put him back; I looked up the original source Gylfaginning and found that although the colours of the parent stallion and mare were not specified, Sleipnir is definitely described as "was gray and had eight feet". So since someone added a sourced sentence in the lede saying mythological white horses include grays as well as the pure whites, I think we can add Sleipnir (thought not his parents) back in.)
Hi Julia, thank you for all your work on the article. I saw the text had been moved from the Iranian (changed from Persian) bit, but am still not sure how to deal with it. About the grey-white distinction, I thought Montanabw's sentence added to the lede covered it adequately. I'm not sure I grasp all the genetics part, but I think the lede makes clear that this article will include technically pale and grey horses as well as technically white. But if you do understand it better, I think a sourced paragraph would be wonderful. Maybe Montanabw could help? I will leave a note for them too. About the hook, I really don't know, but I think it looks fine. Maybe people are more likely to click it when there are several interesting things mentioned. Thank you again for your encouragement. WikiJedits (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I first heard the word 'morphodite' when I played the role of the corpse in the play "Crossing the Bar".
I later learned that Harper Lee used the word in "To Kill a Mockingbird" and, just the other day, that Truman Capote also used it. I'm guessing that it was a fav word when they were childhood friends.
I wasn't thinking of adding the Capote mention into "morphodite", I was just asking for my own information. I'm glad you added it. Actually, I have a vague recollection that another writer with a personal link to Harper Lee and Capote also used the word.
"Crossing the Bar" is a one-act play. I'm doubtful that it warrants an article.
Having said that, I recall that Wikipedia has 22 articles about flatulence and I wonder "does one article more or less make any difference?"
The title "Crossing the Bar" certainly refers to the poem by Tennyson. The play is set in a funeral chapel where a body lies in a casket. Two friends of the deceased arrive. They talk in sad terms of their dead departed friend. "Such a lovely man". "He looks as good as when he was alive". "He does." "Better even".
"He looks so natural when he twitches like that." "Yes he does." "Is he supposed to be twitching like that?" "Oh my God, he's alive!"
Or words to that effect. It goes on from there and is a very funny piece.
Please let me know if an article about a one-act play is appropriate in your opinion.
Thank you Julia, for the nomination and following it through. I can't navigate that DYK page at all, so confusing :) so thank you very much for all your efforts. And of course for the kindness to think of it! Best, WikiJedits (talk) 18:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Name of the white horse
Well, this might be only of marginal interest, but there I know a joke about a white horse, and it may be the only one there is. Perhaps there is a place for it in the article.
A white horse comes into a bar and asks for a whisky. The bartender asks “What sort of whisky would you like?’ and the white horse says “I’m not sure. What have you got”.
So the bartender says, “Well, how about a Black and White?”
“I don’t think so”, says the white horse.
“Ballantynes, then”. “Nope”, comes the reply.
“Johnny Walker?” “Not today, I don’t think.”
“Teacher’s?”. “No, not that one”.
“A nice shot of Dimple, perhaps?”. “Well perhaps on another occasion”.
“Black Bottle?” “No.”
“Chivas Regal?” Ahhhhh…..no thank you.”
“The Famous Grouse?” “No thanks”
“Dewar’s, then?”. “Not for me”.
Then the bartender has a brainwave. “Wait!”, he says. “We’ve got a whisky named right after you!”
The normal setting is 200px to keep the image sizes within some reasonable limits. It is good to have decent images on wikipedia but for aesthetic reasons(sic and so as to not overdo the factual text information and also to not push the copyright (fair use issues) it is good to load images of this size and definition. Also if they can be of a common size that gives a more professional impact when reviewing a number of book and novel pages/articles. Also I notice that the caption talks of the hardback cover - the key thing is that it normally should be the "1st" edition cover. If this is the case it is that which should be asserted by the caption,thanks for all you contributions to such articles. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk)09:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lotus in a Pond
Hello Julia:
Thank you for the information about a "lotus in a pond".
You seem to have knowledge of a very broad range of subjects. I feel I am being educated, informed and entertained when I read your notes. CBHA (talk) 05:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the 'picture of the day' link. Great picture. I used to grow water lilies. Never lotuses.
You being closer to the International Date Line, I expect your picture will change first, so I can look into the future. Great!
Dear Julia, Thanks! I would have had to have been virtually psychic, or perhaps 'psychically virtual', to have thought of that! I have cleared it. Eebahgum (talk) 14:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Won't worry (now, thanks!)
Dear Julia, thanks for updating your remark, which I'd originally found unjustly critical (N.B. subjective take, of course) and posted in haste for clarification. I know that you're a diligent respondent to Ref Desk queries and field a lot of diverse topics, which I appreciate and respect. As I'm unavoidably intermittent in participating while no less devoted, and (what can't be otherwise known) sometimes catch flak from listserv-forum colleagues for being too, well, aggressively wordy—it aggrieved me that what I'd written on that query seemed unacceptable to you. Thanks for hearing me out, and best wishes for our future joint efforts! -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 08:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply] Further: Wow, thanks for the indeed-cheering words, 'preciate that. Moreover, this has brought back to me how important my written communications are, even (especially!) those written at off-hours (as my WP contributions perforce must be). See you on (not in ;-) the Lists! -- Deborahjay (talk) 09:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are two ways to install it - the first (easier) way is to add it as a gadget in your preferences. The second (harder) way is to add it to your monobook.js file as described in Twinkle. Hope this helps! – ukexpat (talk) 01:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for improving that critical discussion in the Deren article earlier today. Looking at the article as it now stands, I've relocated the text into the article on Meshes of the Afternoon itself, to avoid weighing down the biography page. The critical text is still light on references but I've commented in what I think are the article sources so that they can be improved. AllyD (talk) 15:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe orbits are the wheelies and it's the solar system that's tooling around the galaxy... the scientists can tell, but I like the idea of the big rocket driver best Julia Rossi (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because we need some class here: skull-head gearshift, okay, flame paintjob, okay, massive stero system (though in a vacuum, it's probably not going to have the effect we're hoping for), okay. Fuzzy dice is just a bit too redneck. We could play chicken with the other planets, though. Scrape off the continents we don't like. If the velocity and change in environment temperature hasn't already killed everyone, of course. HalfShadow01:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I actually tried to add a single </div> but I went out; I still had a class. That's only when I realized it needed three. Thanks for fixing the template, anyway. Regards, Efe (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
