User talk:Jonel/Archive 5

Re: Opinions on the success of the revival of the Olympic Games in 1859, 1870, 1875

Opinions about the success or a failure of any revival have no place in an encyclopaedia. Besides how can anybody consider the Olympic Games that were held in Athens in 1859, and 1870 as a failure.

Firstly, the 1859 Olympic Games was the first modern international Olympic Games. It had Greek athletes. It had athletes from the Ottoman Empire. It had athletic events comparable to those held in ancient times. It had medals. It had Olympians. It was a success.

Secondly, the 1870 Olympic Games was the first modern international Olympic Games to be held in a stadium. The only country in the world to have an athletics stadium in the 19th Century was Greece. I'll say that again for the hard of hearing. The only country in the world to have a bonafide, refurbished ancient Olympic Games stadium in the 19th Century was Greece. Greece was the first country in the world to host a bonafide Olympic Games in a stadium in the 19th Century. And guess what? Greece was also the second and the third country in the world to host a bonafide Olympic Games in a stadium.

What is even more interesting is that there was no stadium at the Paris 1900 side-show that was called an Olympic Games. To be be perfectly honest, if the International Olympic Committee did not recognise them as Olympic Games they would not be worthy of the name by anybody elses standards.

Then ofcourse they build a temporary stadium for St Louis in 1904.

And guess what? The first Olympic Games to have a proper bonafide Olympic stadium in the 20th Century once again was Greece at Athens in 1906.

Is that so hard to accept. Does it hurt the pride of the rest of the world to accept that. That small country called Greece had the first modern international Olympic Games and it had the first bonafide purpose-built Olympic stadium.

Please elaborate what success or failure means when you use those words. When David C. Young uses them he is referring to the fact that the Olympiad was not maintained. He is not saying that the Games themselves were not a success. Don't take quotations out of context. Don't quote opinions. Surely, that is common sense.

Also, take a closer look at this: 1859, 1870, 1875, 1896, 1906, 2004

Years in which the Olympic Games were hosted in Athens. Does that make every other city that has hosted the Olympic Games a failure?

Evangelos Zappas firmly planted the foundations, the roots, of the modern Olympic Games and those that say otherwise are in denial. That's not an opinion. That is a fact. Nipsonanomhmata 20:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

"Fully revived" means nothing. It is an opinion. Nipsonanomhmata 00:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's an opinion. One might even say a point of view. In fact, it represents a significant point of view that has been published in *numerous* reliable source. Which is exactly what we want to include in our articles. Go read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view again. Your own personal views on what it means to have fully revived the Olympics don't dictate how the rest of the world understands it.
And, yes, with this edit, you did screw up the grammar. You deleted part of a sentence, leaving the fragment "White City Stadium, (originally know as The Great Stadium) built in White City, London, England, for the 1908 Summer Olympics." -- Jonel (Speak to me) 02:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Numerous reliable sources" repeating significantly incorrect points of view. Yes, that's par for the course. That's exactly what has been happening. Nipsonanomhmata 19:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job

Nice work on Olympic Games, trying to incorporate that "new" material yet keeping the blatant POV overtones out of it. Andrwsc 21:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'm trying hard to work with Nipsonanomhmata. He does have some good points about Zappas not getting much credit for his Olympic revival efforts, but his preferred method of working (that is to say, blasting everyone who isn't Zappas with belittlements and ridicule) isn't much fun. Trying to keep things to the generally-accepted consensus (which even Young, Nipsonanomhmata's favorite author, agrees with) is tough. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 22:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Generally-accepted consensus on opinions means nothing. Only facts count. History is not made by the people who talk about it. History is made by the people who do it. Zappas spent a fortune making the revival of the Olympic Games happen. Brookes sent a trophy to the 1859 Games in Athens and listed one of the international participants on the honor roll of the Wenlock Olympian Society. What did Baron Pierre de Coubertin pay for? Some vacations to England and to Greece. Some stationery and some postage stamps. Zappas paid for the refurbishment of the Panathenian stadium. He bought all the land that the stadium stood on and all the surrounding land. Zappas paid for the building of the first purpose-built indoor Olympic arena. Give credit to Brookes as a Founder of the Modern Olympic Movement for 1866. But let's not pussy-foot. Zappas made the first modern international Olympic Games happen. Zappas made it happen in 1859, 1870, and 1875 with a solid foundation for the future and with a stadium that would last for thousands of years. Dr Brookes made things happen in 1866. But there is no legacy stadium from Brookes' efforts. Coubertin never paid for a stadium and the stadiums that the IOC has had built for them, by others, will never last as long as the Panathenian stadium.
What I have contributed has got nothing to do with POV. It's all about the doers and the talkers. Nipsonanomhmata 19:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We aim to present a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view here. Generally-accepted consensus on the importance of historical details does matter. You continually push the point of view that Zappas was the be-all and end-all of reviving the Olympic Games, and that Brookes and De Coubertin are unimportant. Your view is out of step with basically every Olympic historian who has ever published anything, including Young, whom you are so fond of. Zappas should be recognized, yes, and we do recognize his efforts. But you constantly try to unbalance every article you touch, and include snide attacks (which do, yes, represent your point of view, rather than "facts") on everyone who isn't Zappas. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's not true. Brookes was important (even though the IOC formally doesn't say so). He was the founder of the modern Olympic Movement and preceded Coubertin in this role since Coubertin used many of Brookes ideas without giving him credit. Coubertin was important because he was the founder of the International Olympic Committee. But Coubertin is not as important as the IOC makes him out to be (they stretch the truth at the IOC). The IOC claims that Coubertin was the founder of the modern Olympic Games, they also claim he was the founder of the modern Olympic Movement. Meanwhile, the Wenlock Olympian Society (WOS) claims that Brookes was the founder of the modern Olympic Games. The WOS used to claim that he was the founder of the Olympic Games (isn't that ludicrous?).
No. I am not out of step with David C. Young. I agree with all the facts that he has published and to be perfectly honest absolutely nobody else has done the indepth research that he has done and I respect him deeply for that. But I don't have to agree with all of his opinions because opinions are not facts. History should be based on facts and not opinions. Except by those who try to manipulate history. For example, to take Young's opinions and quote them out of context is a manipulation of history.
My view is purely based on the facts. Opinions are worth nothing unless there are no facts [opinion]. What actually happened is what counts. Events make history. Opinions are usually there to misrepresent history. Also there are too many people who quote opinions that are not based on facts. Too many people repeat what they hear and do not research the source or even consider why that was said in the first place.
You reinstated a secondary source that I deleted today. There is no original information on that page. The person that wrote that page has slightly adapted the information and the information is not accurate. i.e. the source is based on hearsay. Someone else did the original research and published it ... and this source has not even adapted what was in the original article ... they are likely to have adapted from another secondary article ... The source that was quoted is corrupt. It is not a useful source to quote or to recommend. All the other sources have original information.
You didn't like my "eat your heart out Baron Pierre" joke! He was born 1863, 1st Jan. Meanwhile, building works for the Olympic Games, including the refurbishment of the stadium, were planned back in the 1850s and the Greek government made them law in the 1860s. How the IOC has the arrogance to claim that the Baron founded the Olympic Games is beyond belief. Also, the Baron had his heart buried under a statue in Olympia. Ofcourse, everybody conveniently forgets that Zappas asked for his head to be buried at the Zappeion well before the Baron died. Nobody mentions that fact. Why? Is Zappas less important than the Baron? Zappas refurbished a stadium that was used for five Olympic Games: 1870, 1875, 1896, 1906, 2004. The IOC conveniently doesn't recognise three of those Games.
So what did Baron Pierre de Coubertin pay for when he founded the International Olympic Committee? He didn't pay for the building of any stadiums. Not even at Paris in 1900. Nipsonanomhmata 00:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jeu de Paume bracket

Oops, I missed that four set match. Sorry! Andrwsc 16:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not to worry. Easily fixed! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 16:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Crow

Hi, I'm curious why you re-added the Category:American anarchists to the Scott Crow article after I removed it yesterday? Was this just a mistake, or do you know something I don't? Anyway, I have removed it again. Silly rabbit 19:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely did not mean to do that. Must've somehow edited DGG's version by mistake--I really did just want to take out the empty section header. Thanks for taking it back out, and sorry for the confusion! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I thought so. No worries. Silly rabbit 19:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Vandalism"

I see that you have n o regard to the assume good faith guideline linked from the talk page of sylvia browne. I am trying tol report on what EVERY SCIENTIST IN THE WORLD says - that she is a quack. Vandalism? More like fact checking.

Ah well, new agers can only rely on insults anyway —Preceding unsigned comment added by Science Soldier (talk • contribs)

Changing a person's biography so that the first sentence calls them a fraud and a quack is, yes, vandalism. Don't do it again. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 02:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Munich

Dear Jonel, I have replied to your query on my talk page. RegardsNishidani 11:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Munich

(2) Idem, RegardsNishidani 14:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Munich

(3)Jonel, in response, closing the issue.

It is not that I have little faith in sourcing, but rather little faith in pseudo-sourcing. I could source the statement of analogy I made (Noam Chomsky, “Pirates and Emperors, Old and New: International Terrorism in the Real World,” South End Press, Cambridge Mass. rev.edition 2002 p.99 footnote 8) but I don't think it necessary, because an analogy of this kind does not need sourcing since the given, uncontrovertible facts speak for themselves. I.e. you do not need to, but may of course, source the obvious, put a link under 'is' and refer us to Parmenides, or 'fact' and refer us to the dictionary, as any academic knows. The Reeve quote was sourced, but was a misleading item in that page in so far as it was one of any number of subjective opinions immaterial to the article in question. Wiki cruisers should have spotted that before my intervention. In erasing both Reeve's exaggerated and strategically placed 'quote' I have also eliminated my counter-example. And I think the article's first paragraph gains in lucidity.

Regards Nishidani 19:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nishidani"

Thanks

Thanks for your help with Jared Taylor. Steve Dufour 16:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BLP Noticeboard

I've been trying to work with User:piledoggie for a while (who has had one of his/her anonymous usernames blocked for vandalizing my talk page), but that user really doesn't seem to understand WP:BLP. I've discussed this on the talk page of Church of Christ (Temple Lot), as well as on some of his/her various talk pages (that user has edited the Temple Lot article under 4 separate usernames, which complicates things), but I can't seem to get this user to understand what WP:BLP is about, evidenced by the fact that said user feels that they are following WP:BLP guidelines in removing my comments (which contain little or no biographical material at all, and certainly no names or references to names) from a talk page. I would have commented over at the Noticeboard, but the requests have already been archived. The Jade Knight 09:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

brackets

These are round brackets () and these are square brackets [], parentheses are {}. --Lucy-marie 10:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first are commonly known as parentheses. "Brackets" alone tends to refer to the second in many parts of the world. I've never seen anyone anywhere refer to the third as "parentheses" before; they're curly brackets or braces. "Parentheses" is, to almost everyone in the world, unambiguous and refers to round brackets. "Brackets", on the other hand, is an ambiguous term which could mean any of the above or even <>. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In English English which I use the word parentheses is not used at all except to describe {} I see that the cultural divide between the variations of english has struck again. FInally <> these are greater than and less than signs and I have personally never heard them referred to as brackets. I guess we shall just have to live with the difference.--Lucy-marie 19:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Lewis

OK, sorry. Jimfbleak 05:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP Noticeboard Richard Lindzen

You closed the entry, saying it was inactive after no one commented on it for a month. [1] Yet the blog info still get readded all the time. Couldn't you just wait until a neutral person looked at it or have done it yourself? --Theblog 05:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I closed the entry on 5 August; there had been no edits to either the article or the noticeboard entry since 21 July. That's a pretty good indication that the noticeboard entry isn't doing much good at that point. The best thing for you to do in such a case if problems continue with the article is to file a fresh noticeboard entry--it's more likely to bring fresh eyes to the article than an entry that has sat for a few weeks and has scrolled away from the part of the noticeboard where most of the attention is going. Please do file a new entry if there are still problems. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 14:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lizel Moore

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Denis Murray (athlete)

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AfD nomination of Craig Mason

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List of colonial governors in 1659

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Rowing at the 1920 Summer Olympics

Having patroled your new articles in Category:Rowing events at the 1920 Summer Olympics I'm wondering if it wasn't better to merge them all into one article as most of them seem fairly short due to limited amount of competitiors. Just a thought.EA210269 (talk) 03:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The general idea from the Olympics WikiProject is that each event have its own page; reasons include a hope that eventually the event pages will get more information, avoidance of excessive detail on the more general page, and consistency of navigation. That being said, I'm not particularly attached to any method of display for the information. So if you want to be bold and merge them onto Rowing at the 1920 Summer Olympics, or ask at the WikiProject for more opinions, please do! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 16:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine, just wondering why its a separate page for each event. Your explanation is quite sufficent. Nice work, by the way. I like colorful tables and statistics with country flags in it! I use it a lot in some of my articles too.EA210269 (talk) 22:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCookie

Just stopping by with cookies for those editors who started new articles today. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bracket templates and their usage

Nice work on those, Jonel! Those results pages look great—simplicity and effectiveness of presentation. Good to see you back — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 15:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've gotta say, monkeying around with templates is so much more fun than studying for exams. I'm glad you like the results, though I didn't do much original work—I grabbed most of the coding from {{3RoundBracket-Byes}}, with smatterings from other tournament brackets. I'd like to eventually be able to replace most of Category:Tournament bracket templates with a much smaller number of templates. I've got the byes down pretty well, and third-place matches for the brackets big enough to display them nicely (the 8-team bracket is probably going to have to be non-compact to do that). My next goal is probably to make the brackets capable of displaying seeds if desired, while seemlessly hiding them if not. Doing something with byes in rounds after the first might be useful for some of the early Olympic brackets too. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 16:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look at the code I added to Template:4TeamBracket over a year ago to make the seeds optional, if that helps. My approach was to allow the template user to write RD1-seed1= (or omit the parameter altogether) to remove the little box, or write RD1-seed1=  to insert a blank box, allowing for combinations of seeded and unseeded entries. I have long thought that that category of templates was in dire need of a simplification overhaul, so I would support you in that endeavour! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Testing:
Semifinals Final
1  Johannes Eriksen (DEN) W
 Jan Sint (NED) L 1  Johannes Eriksen (DEN) L
   Edil Rosenqvist (FIN) W  Edil Rosenqvist (FIN) W
2  Axel Tetens (DEN) L
Beautiful. Thanks for the pointer to that existing template; I was afraid I was going to have to reinvent the wheel there. Ok, so now the 4TeamBracket-Compact-NoSeeds-Byes is capable of showing seeds or not, and showing byes. It's too small for a third place option underneath the final; maybe I'll try one off to the right... -- Jonel (Speak to me) 17:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Carol Cassady

I have nominated Carol Cassady, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Cassady. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Blueboy96 01:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've got no problem with that article being deleted. It was one of a bunch I created quite a while ago, with a different conception of Wikipedia's inclusiveness on political candidates. My guess is that Carl Cassady isn't the only one left that suffers from the same problems. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 03:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eremia about Panamerican Games !

Why did you canceled my contributions ! I prefer write Panamerican ! I have said " Panamerican Games " , and you have canceled for Pan American Games ! I think , this is more just to write " 2007 Panamerican Games " ! I do not disagree with you , please , could you give an explanation ! You can write me a message Eremia (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Eremia[reply]

You have already been told the problem with your edits, and have been asked to discuss changes at Talk:Pan American Games. The correct name of the Pan American Games uses two words for Pan American. Our preferences don't really matter much in the issue. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 23:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Monica/Eremia/etc

Monica/Eremia/etc. is now blocked indef. Sorry my attempt at reforming them prolonged the agony. Report any more of these obvious vandals to AIV, and in your report, link to: User:Barneca/watch/bvr, and hopefully whoever is dealing with AIV will deal with them quickly. --barneca --barneca (talk) 13:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't beat yourself up over it. Some people can be convinced to be helpful, some can't. This one couldn't; oh well. You still get points in my book for trying. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 17:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hugh De Lacy

1896 Summer Olympics FAR

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Help

hi, there isnt any template for wrestling (finals and Repechages) for this page Wrestling at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's Greco-Roman 55 kg, i want to create it but i cant, can you help me ? --Mohsen1248 (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should just be able to use {{32TeamBracket-Compact-NoSeeds-Byes}} and {{8TeamBracket-Compact-NoSeeds-Byes}} for the main bracket and repechage (I think those are the right numbers of rounds), respectively.
no, current wrestling format is similar to Tennis, they wrestle 3 periods and winner must win 2 of them. --Mohsen1248 (talk) 19:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried fiddling with modifying them, but I'm having trouble getting them to come out right. What you've got on that page looks good, though, so for now I'd recommend using that. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
thanks for your attention, i tried to create it too (for repechage round) but couldn't. --Mohsen1248 (talk) 02:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Archers

Dear Jonel, I address you because in the past you contributed to the article of a Russian Olympic archer Balzhinima Tsyrempilov. Recently, I started 2 new articles about Russian Olympic archers, Natalia Erdyniyeva and Bair Badënov. I have but a minor experience with the English edition of Wikipedia, I am not a native speaker of English and totally lack sports terminology. Would you please review and correct these articles when/if you find it possible (taking in account their current participation in the Archery at the 2008 Summer Olympics events). Thanks in advance, --Tar-ba-gan (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They look great so far--good work. I'll try to keep them updated along with the rest of this year's Olympians. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your corrections! And, also as I cannot follow most Olympic events, your contribution on their progress is much appreciated also! --Tar-ba-gan (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Olympic Template

As a leading editor at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics, you should be aware that I think a rash template deletion decision is being made at Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_August_18#Template:Nations_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics. I have attempted to created the sidebar template Template:Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics to complement Template:NOCin2008SummerOlympics as a navigational aid for some of the larger countries. Although the links are the same it is not redundant because it greatly improves the experience for the reader who wants to quickly visit different countries. When I visit a page like United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics, I often want to jump to another page and I don't think I am the only reader who would like to do so. Currently, the reader has to scroll down for pages and pages in hopes that the proper template is at the bottom. It would help the reader if there were a sidebar navbox like the one I created. It is not uncommon for a sidebar to include only duplicate links of a template at the bottom (See Barack Obama, which has a sidebar template that includes only redundant links).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Tony, but I agree with Parutakupiu on this one. Using the IOC codes makes it completely bewildering to the casual reader, and translating those codes into actual names is typically more inconvenient than going to the end of a page (pressing end or dragging the scroll bar to the end). That need for conversion is really what makes it less useful than the box on Barack Obama, rather than any redundancy. I'm not going to join the call for deletion, but I really don't think that this extra template is helpful enough to readers to justify putting it on even the long articles. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Botswana

Thanks for taking care of the BMX article. Could you check on Botswana at the 2008 Summer Olympics when you get a chance? It lists only two competitors, both boxers; but I just watched the women's 400 metres, in which a Botswanan woman was a finalist. Nyttend (talk) 02:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Let me know if you find anything else that could use some work. Oddly enough, the official results site doesn't give a full listing for Botswana's team. I think SI has a full list; I'm going to start double-checking between that list and event pages. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 02:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your work; I'm doing my best to spread my requests between active WP:OLY members, since it seems like all of you must be going crazy right now with requests and cleanup and everything else. We members of the Ohio and Photography projects just don't have the workload that you're coping with right now! Nyttend (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Think I've got Botswana to where they should be now. I'm kind of afraid of how many such omissions are present on the 2008 pages; they're going to need a pretty complete vetting after the Games are over. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 03:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:WashingtonThirdCongressDistrict.jpg listed for deletion

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What do you mean by this?

"No. We don't resort from the NOC codes the IOC uses. Use talk: if you want to change that."

The article speaks precisely that we use IOC country codes (for NOC's) and that we do not list each and every change of the IOC NOC code. HOL -> NED and simmilar cases.

What did you mean with your undoing of my editing.

Thnx

Imbris (talk) 23:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No response. -- Imbris (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know perfectly well what I mean. Andrwsc has already explained it to you. We follow the codes as currently used in the IOC medal database. That database reflects changes such as HOL and NED being the same. We do not do the rearranging for them. Also, you probably could wait more than an entire 8 minutes before declaring "no response"; I do have other things I am working on as well. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 23:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Olympic Games (again)

Thank you for the heads up regarding the Olympic Games and Evangelos Zappas. I really want to bring the Olympic Games up to FA status and we all know that we need balanced and fair editors. I'll monitor them very closely. I also appreciate your comments. H1nkles (talk) 03:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • It appears to me from a look at the edit history of the Olympic Games page, that there is a debate going on with our friend, Nipsonanomhmata squarely in the middle, regarding how to term the predecessors to the first "official" Olympics. I've created a talking point on the discussion page for debate and asked editors to debate there rather than via edits. I'll keep a close eye on it and the Zappas page. Hopefully with the diligence of a couple of neutral editors we can maintain balance in these pages. H1nkles (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your Hard Work is Noticed

The Barnstar of Diligence

I wanted to tell you thank you, not only for your help with editing the Olympic Games page, but for all of your diligence and hard work on the plethora of pages (Olympics–related and otherwise) that you are involved in. Keep up the good work! H1nkles (talk) 22:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Larry Sheahan

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I've got no objection. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spaces

Hi! For the seventh (!) time you have reverted my edit here: Russia at the 1912 Summer Olympics, so maybe it is time to explain why I have added the spaces. :) The first extra space was for a reason - don't crowd navboxes into references and the second space was also for a reason - according to WP:Stub "It is usually desirable to leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it." Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[2] -- Jonel (Speak to me) 14:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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For making a special trip to the library to find one page number, not finding it and then taking the extra step of finding a substitute citation. Thank you for going above and beyond in the background in order to help make the Olympic Games article pass FAC. H1nkles (talk) 18:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like excellent work on your part. Completely agree, and have mentioned as much on the TfD page. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 23:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Darwin Correa

Greetings! I've been going through Wikipedia:Biographical pages with several incompatible dates of birth, and one of the entries on the list is Darwin Correa, an article which you started. While I was able to find some Olympics web pages confirming his results, I have been unable to find any source indicating the correct year of his birth. Is there any way you could help solve this enigma? Thanks, mate! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 00:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My source was the Athens2004 website, now with the results archived at LA84. This PDF has the participants list for flatwater canoeing. Correa is at the 10th page of the PDF, with the date of birth given as 1977. I seem to have simply made an error in the category; I'll go fix that. Sorry for any confusion. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 00:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Woot, thanks! +1 point in my contest. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Olympic announcements archive

Hey, Jonel. I saw you update the announcements template with a new featured list, removing older announcements as a consequence. You probably haven't noticed but this template has an archive for older items. This way, we can remove them from the main template to save space but we never lose them. Parutakupiu (talk) 15:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't noticed the archive. I've added the February items to the archive, and have gone through the announcements template history to pick up the older stuff as well. Thanks for letting me know about that. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 16:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, you edit-conflicted me. :) Thanks for doing the "dirty work". Parutakupiu (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Olympic Games back up for FAC

I may be a glutton for punishment but I wanted to let you know that I've renominated the Olympic Games article for FA candidacy. Since you contributed so much to the previous effort I thought you might like to know that I'm making another go of it. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. H1nkles (talk) 01:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see it. I'll definitely keep an eye on the nomination, and help in any way I can. Good luck! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent Olympic Games work

I wanted to say thank you for your work on the Olympic Games article recently in response to critiques during the FAC. I've been besieged by real life and haven't been able to do much these last few days. If the article passes it will be because of your help and I thank you. H1nkles (talk) 19:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're certainly welcome; I'm glad to be of assistance (though I think you give me too much credit—I really haven't done that much). You've done great work with that article. It deserves to be a Featured Article, and I hope that it'll finally get there this time! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 20:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes it's nice as an editor to have someone else to carry the load and take on some of the work, just to feel supported I guess. I feel like most of the suggestions are opinions on how to make the article better, which is fine but it would be nice to see them support the article once their suggestions have been implemented. Thanks again. H1nkles (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Ok, I'm convinced. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 17:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For your help...

Raise a glass high
In trying to think of an appropriate way to say thanks not only for your help on the Olympic Games article but in various other places I was hitting a brick wall. Until I found this, and felt it would be supremely appropriate for me to share with you my absolute favorite beverage. Thanks again and Cheers! H1nkles (talk) 19:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Glad to be of service. I'm still a bit bummed about Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race not getting promoted to FA. Tone did a lot of good work there, and I thought that one deserved the star as well.

Also, you have excellent taste! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 20:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow, I didn't get a chance to weigh in on that article. I hope Tone doesn't throw in the towel, it's tempting. Guinness is one of those watershed events that people either hate or love, glad to see you fall on the correct side.  :) H1nkles (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ice hockey at the Olympics

Hello, as I'm sure you're aware of by now, I am working on the article and am aiming to get it as a TFA during the Vancouver Olympics. It still needs some prose work, and I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks, Scorpion0422 21:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I've taken a pass through it. Good luck with the FA review—I'll keep an eye on it and pitch in if I can. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 20:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for copyediting it. One final question, I wanted to have a bolded title, but could not think of any that didn't sound extremely forced. Do you have any suggestions? -- Scorpion0422 00:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boxing

Please allow me a comment about your changes to the boxing articles. E.g. Boxing at the 1924 Summer Olympics - Men's light heavyweight or Boxing at the 1924 Summer Olympics - Men's heavyweight. It looks awful! Particularly on small screens. And I remember that there was a discussion on the talk page of WP:Olympics that it is to prefer to show every athlete in the first column, therefore I show the byes. Also I edited all boxing pages up to 1936 in the same style... But it's up to you, I will not edit the Olympics pages anymore. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 19:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you prefer the original bracket styles, I'll put the 1924 ones back as they were. I thought this way looked better, but I'm not set on it. I do hope you continue editing the Olympic boxing pages—there's a lot of work left to do on all things Olympics! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I know that you have done a lot of work for all the Olympics pages and that you have been engaged with wiki for a long time. But sorry no I will not continue editing the Olympic boxing pages nor any other Olympic pages. The main reasons are the "infobox" and the wrong historical country codes. The "infobox" in the top right corner destroys the style of all Olympic pages! It is nonsens to create a template for exactly the same place were we have already a template! For the top right corner we have the "SportsAtXXXXSummerOlympics"! The easiest way would be to create an "infobox" for the place were we had the "medalists" uptonow? The WP:Olympics defacto do not exist, so there is no way to work together... Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 06:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Oops. I copied some of the formatting from earlier years, didn't even think about the date links. I'll try to keep a closer eye on that. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 14:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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2008 Summer Olympic Games to FA

If you guys (Geraldk and Jonel) are interested in making a push on the 2008 Summer Olympics to FA then I'm up for it. I'll lay out the various sections on the article's talk page and then you can claim the ones you'd like to edit. I've seen these collaborative efforts move articles pretty fast. I'd recommend using the GA process first as a peer review and then moving up to FAC after is passes GA. I'm open to thoughts on that if you have any concerns. Since the GA review process takes so long due to the backlog I may just nominate the article as it currently stands and we can work on it while it waits for a reviewer. I'll propose this on the article's talk page and solicit any thoughts there. Let's get crackin'. H1nkles (talk) 17:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nation section from Olympic sports section

I don't understand why you want to have 5000 cells to each page? Nearly every single link will be blank unless someone undertakes the task of naming every single Olympian for all Olympics. And even then, it would be better to place this information in the pre-existing (Nation, Olympics) pages. 128.122.91.47 (talk) 23:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See (and comment at) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Nations tables in some Olympic sport articles. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 23:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Question about brackets, Jonel: Can you tell me if there is a way to add an additional game to a bracket? The West Coast Conference and the MAC will have a different format for their basketball tournaments for the 2011-12 college basketball season. With the addition of a ninth school, the WCC has changed its tournament format to a five-day tournament with an opening round between the #8 and #9 seed, here's a sample 2012 bracket: 2012 bracket after that everything else is the same. Here's the 2011 bracket. I'm asking, since you created the bracket template the WCC used. Thanks, Bearcats fan (talk) 20:30, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

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Fencing at the 1928 Summer Olympics

Nice work on expanding the articles for the individual events. Lugnuts (talk) 08:33, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Got them done now, on to the next group! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 21:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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That article appears to have copied from our article at Independent Olympic Participants at the 1992 Summer Olympics, which is where I got the text from. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 00:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. Retrocopy.  :-) — Coren (talk) 01:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Those are... the same article? -- Jonel (Speak to me) 12:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I'm sure some of the interactions you were referring to [3] were directed at me so on some level I'm sure I owe you my gratitude - Basement12 (T.C) 03:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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You are the one that is not constructive

There. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.11.126.236 (talk) 16:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTFORUM. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 03:05, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for taking care of this! Nice work! Location (talk) 02:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 03:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Navbox - infobox redudancy

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Ok then. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 02:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I had actually considered deleting the section myself after my latest edit as I started thinking more about it. I was hesitant though only because I felt it may be notable in light of the controversy in the simifinal. Similar plays called opposite ways, but both calls favoring the US. I don't disagree with the deletion, but did you consider this aspect of its notability? --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 22:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did. The controversy over the semifinal, however, is more about the unusual six-second call; while there were some complaints about the handball call, that was much less controversial. Those are also far from the only missed handball calls made; I think there was another on a U.S. player in the Canada match that was missed as well. Numerous other (primarily non-)calls were also complained of, but don't seem to have generated much real controversy. If anything, the Andrade suspension should be in before any of those calls (and if we're going by similar calls all going one way, the Tancredi stomp also missed on-field should be mentioned). -- Jonel (Speak to me) 22:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Stepped out for a while. Understood and thanks for the explanation. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 03:21, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Bohemia at the 1908 Summer Olympics

Here's a question that you probably won't remember the answer two after six years, but I figured I'd ask anyways. When you created the fencing section for Bohemia at the 1908 Summer Olympics, you added a line for a competitor named František Šourek-Tuček but, in the sources that you used, he's only listed as "F. Tuček". I'm wondering where you got the full name, or if that he was accidentally mixed up with František Soucek the athlete? There's a Wikipedia page using his full name now, but that user created it based off of the entry at Bohemia at the 1908 Summer Olympics and the source used for the article, Sports Reference, still only has F. Tuček. Wondering if you can shed any light on this. Canadian Paul 13:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I don't recall. It's most likely from Wudarski or de Wael if SR doesn't have it. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying! De Wael doesn't have it, but Wudarski does, although the file was updated as recently October 2 of this year, so I'll have to ask him when he added that. The reason I'm interested is because SR is trying to find out where this information came from and the furthest back we can trace it thus far is the Bohemia at the 1908 Summer Olympics article... Canadian Paul 15:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Cycling at the 1900 Summer Olympics – Men's points race

What do you think about this? --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All for having an article. It should mention the IOC nonrecognition status. Should be sure not to put the results in medal counts etc., however, as those should follow IOC (though S-R usually has it right on what should be considered Olympic). -- Jonel (Speak to me) 16:58, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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