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THT

To address the question you pose in a recent edit summary: Wikipedia aims preferrentially cite encyclopedias, books, and reviews, not patents and not journal articles. The guideline is WP:SECONDARY. It is impossible to cover primary literature such as patents (which are usually quite useless sources of information except to specialists who can parse the legal jargon. People tend to cite journal articles because they do not have access to or are not aware of secondary sources.--Smokefoot (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Dont go

I saw that you blanked your page. Frustrated I suppose, understandably! ChemBoxes turned into some some sort of strange obsessive-compulsive venue that I learned to avoid a long time ago. There is one administrator who periodically monitors that ward, upon request: user:Beetstra.

Just stick to chemistry - you're really good at it. And we hardly have anyone at your skill level with respect to writing, knowledge, and a sense of humor. The nut-cases do not know enough chemistry to bother people like you and me very often. So I hope you reconsider. We have a lot of stuff to do. So have a beer, and reconsider --Smokefoot (talk) 02:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I probably will but the nomenclature issue needs to be dealt with sooner or later. I will let someone else deal with it. JSR (talk) 11:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Fluoride

Re: [1]. My copy of Greenwood has a section "Fluorides" (Ch. 17, p. 820) that covers both organic and inorganic ones. Materialscientist (talk) 06:31, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Look at page 791 and 821. I've been an organofluorine chemist or an organic fluorine chemist or a fluorocarbon chemist, but I've never been an organic fluoride chemist. (I've been an inorganic fluoride chemist though).JSR (talk) 06:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
But that sentence used "organofluorine". Also, how about polyvinylidene fluoride, carbonyl fluoride, polyvinyl fluoride, vinyl fluoride, etc? Materialscientist (talk) 07:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
COF2 is inorganic. The fluoride hydrolyzes off readily, whereas with most organofluorine compounds, it takes a lot more work to get that to happen (pyridine and sodium metal work really well to remove fluorides from organofluorine compounds). The others are exceptions. IUPAC does not use fluoride for naming organics.JSR (talk) 07:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
JSR: the fluorine business has a lot of history here, and we have never had an expert with much first hand experience, especially in the area of inorganic fluorine compounds. So I encourage you make improvements as you see fit.
We had a zealous nonchemist here at one time (user:Shootbamboo) who pushed all sorts of nomenclature that would be strange to chemists. His cause du jour was the widespread occurrence of perfluorinated surfactants such as PFOS, and he was initially convinced that most chemically fluent editors, me especially, were on the dark side, environmentally. His tracks are still evident here as you can see if you look up any class of fluorocarbon. Those articles (and titles) should probably be reworked now that the heat is off. He loved the noun(!) organofluorine, which I have never heard from a chemist.
One theme to be avoided (or not, depending on your disposition) is the definition game of organic vs inorganic - and many related definitions. Semantic themes attract all sorts of editors who dont know enough chemistry to add real content but love to argue.--Smokefoot (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The organic vs inorganic game is always based on whether the compound acts like it's organic or an inorganic compound. If I can hydrolyze the fluoride with little difficulty, then it's inorganic.JSR (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Well good luck with that one. http://orgsyn.org/orgsyn/default.asp?formgroup=basenpe_form_group&dataaction=db&dbname=orgsyn. --Smokefoot (talk) 20:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

The Medicine Article

Putting the words Pharmacia and Pharmakea in the medicine article only serves our cause by pushing more relevant information to the top of the search engine when people do a search for Pharmacia or Pharmakea pushing biblical references lower in rank. 2602:306:C518:62C0:1E75:8FF:FEBB:2125 (talk) 16:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

What cause?JSR (talk) 16:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

You were concerned as I was of the negative connotations toward medicine on the internet when doing a search for the Greek word for medicine Pharmakea. 2602:306:C518:62C0:1E75:8FF:FEBB:2125 (talk) 16:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I am beginning to see that salvation comes through YESHUWA not pharmaceuticals. Sorry I am not going to join this conspiracy of yours. Did you know that pharmaceuticals are derived from petrochemicals? Did you know that crude oil is the ancient poop of ancient animals? Do you have a church you can recommend I attend? Maybe you would know since since you are so antiChristian. Please don't take that wrong. You were against the word because you were afraid people would see the Biblical viewpoint of medicine. I am a Christian but I never knew the Greek word for pharmaceutical was in the Bible. It says in Revelation that those practicing pharmakea will be cast in the lake of fire and tormented forever and that a figure called the Whore of Babylon is deceiving the nations with pharmakea. I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction albeit not intentional. If not for you I would have never knew these things. Also crude oil is what lubricates the planet. Bringing that stuff up is causing big earthquakes. 2602:306:C518:62C0:1E75:8FF:FEBB:2125 (talk) 18:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. I guess I have a better understanding of your cause now.JSR (talk) 18:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

If you are interested, now is a suitable time to contribute to this Wikipedia:ANI#Chembox_edits_by_User:Plasmic_Physics. --Smokefoot (talk) 22:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I noted that it was being resolved, I threw in my 2 cents about the changes to the odor in ChemBoxes, which I don't think was noted by anyone and decided not to pile on. I think his heart is in the right place, but he doesn't have enough background to be anything but dangerous.JSR (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Atomic mass

Hi. I saw that you reverted my edit in mass number. Here is my rationale for making that edit:

  • It is the first time in that article that the mass number is said not to be confused with another concept, therefore the word "also" is redundant.
  • The paragraph explains what relative atomic mass (a.k.a atomic weight) is, and why it shouldn't be confused with mass number. The section heading, however, currently refers to atomic mass which is a different concept, and is also not to be confused with relative atomic mass. It doesn't matter which one of these two concepts are compared to the mass number, but the section heading should be consistent with the section contents.

--Farzaneh (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Fishy

Tools exist for replacing one word with another. If the mood strikes, you might consider replacing the ridiculous term "ichthyal" with fishy across many articles. It has also occurred to both of us probably that we need some sort of systematic way of correcting the damage done to many pages by Plasmic person. The obvious problems are the names, but there may be subtler defects that require correction. For example, the "related compounds" lists are often too long or point to barely relevant compounds. Ideally one could setting up a mini database on his edits to monitor the progress on undoing the problems. To his credit, he might have been consistently unwise and fetishist, but he may have done good things as well with regards to other aspects of the ChemBox that I dont check.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I can usually find the ones where he made changes by looking at names and not seeing IUPAC names (or any names for that matter) or finding citation needed tags. I've been changing things on a piecemeal basis when I run into them. As far as tools that run across many pages, the only thing that worries me about that is can we control them enough to make sure they don't change "icthyal" to fishy someplace where it might actually be required? (As far as odor goes, he was on a kick for a while to give essential oil odors to the higher alkanes, as they were on the analysis list of one of the essential oil companies. I think I got most of those.)
Also, he changed all of the densities to "mg/mL", which may be OK, or we may want to change. I've never seen any text quoting densities in those units, but at least you get the same numbers as you would in kg/m3. Have you looked at the number of edits he has made? There are 100's of them, where he puts in one compound at a time across 40-50 different compound groups. I'm not sure that databasing it will be that easy. I do think we can start doing some editing on related compound listing when we get a chance. I've just decided to do a couple a day and see what happens. Cheers.JSR (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Oops, misspoke. I searched icthyal not ichthyal. There are a bunch of the latter.JSR (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Further on spelling

I wondered about Parliment vs Parliament for the man's name but I messed up.

Sorry

EoGuy (talk) 14:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Food sources of phosphorus

Hello! You believe that information about phosphorus in chocolate is unnecessary in the article Phosphorus. But other articles about nutrients often contain many, sometimes dozens, examples of food sources (look, for example, at Calcium#Nutrition). It is naturally that one reading an article about a nutrient may want to find out which kinds of food contain it. It seems to me that it would be quite interesting after the information about phosphorus in calcium-rich foods to read about an example (chocolate) of food being not calcium-rich, but phosphorus-rich. Now there are only three certain examples there. Maybe, you would agree that 4 examples is not too many yet? --D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 19:23, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

If you want to add information about phosphorus rich foods that is one thing. If you want to add information about only one phosphorus rich food, that is another. Add a section about phosphorus rich foods and I am sure it will be well received.JSR (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
It is unnecessary to add a section because the section "Food sources" should be just a section about phosphorus rich foods (maybe, someone will add there also information about foods with little phosphorus, but the main information of the section should be about foods with much phosphorus). Now this is a stub-section. I cannot expand it essentially because I don't know much information on this topic. But I can add just one food expanding this section only a little. Do you consider it is unnecessary to expand stubs a little bit? As for me, such kind of expansion contributes essentially to the development of Wikipedia. --D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 14:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
If you really don't know about the topic, you are perhaps not in a position to assess the value of the information you wish to put in place. Do a little research and share it with us. Cheers.JSR (talk) 14:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Probably, in this case it is not difficult to conclude that every additional example of a phosphorus rich food is of sufficient value to be add to the section. One doesn't need any deep knowledge about phosphorus to make this conclusion. Every additional example is useful at least for those who simply look for examples. If you nevertheless consider that the value of the example "chocolate" is insufficient then, please, explain me why. --D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 13:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Ethanedithiol prep

I saw your note on the industrial prep of this dithiol from NaSH and ethylenedichloride. I expected that this reaction led to excessive thioether formation but maybe there are tricks that avoid this problem. In fact, I teach students that thiols usually cannot be made well from NaSH for this reason. Comments? --Smokefoot (talk) 13:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

It is made that way commercially. In general, you use excess NaSH and H2S. Yields are 90+%. Just takes some tweaking. If you don't use excess NaSH/H2S, you end up with a mess. CPChem is currently producing this material with this route.JSR (talk) 13:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I always figured that there was a way to do this with tweaking the stoichiometry, so nice to hear. On a related note, do you know of any commercial applications aside from selling it to researchers? Ditto for the two propanedithiols. You might review the prep section in Thiol, since I wrote that relying on academic perspective leavened by Ullmann's.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Harvade, a cotton defoliant, is the biggest application for the ethanedithiol. Never could get anyone to bite on the propanedithiols, but not for lack of trying. I have not been told about any other applications in the last 10-15 years, so I assume this is true.JSR (talk) 14:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't mean to intrude but this is an interesting discussion. John, do you have a ref for the commercial prep? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the easiest one to find is the 1997 Kirk-Othmer article on thiols, but I get into trouble quoting that one. I may need to dig into the patent literature to find that one.JSR (talk) 15:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Well I cite my own work occasionally for reviews and a text. --Smokefoot (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Vulcanization

Maybe you know something about the vulcanization of rubber using sulfur? It is almost impossible to find a chemical equation for what happens in that process. Our current image ([[File:Vulcanization of POLYIsoprene V.2.png]]) was contributed by an experienced organic chemist, but he admitted that he was unsure. I was going to upgrade (remove C2S4 ring) using this reaction that begins with activation of an allylic CH and then addition of SH across another double bond:

2RCH=CH-CH2- + Sx → RCH=CH-CH-Sx-C(R)H-CH2-CH2-

But maybe you have better sources. I have been itching to get a decent image.--Smokefoot (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The problem with vulcanization is that it is mostly sulfur + double bonds + heat and you end up getting sulfides, disulfides, and polysulfides. I don't think there is a single real reaction going on, which makes drawing structures pretty speculative. It's probably a fairly reasonable representation, but that's all it can really be. Check out http://books.google.com/books?id=J_AkNu-Y1wQC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=sulfurized+olefins&source=bl&ots=j0CvbRIZfr&sig=Mvpa5HJRNnkgjz5FNieGeUwtpX0&hl=en#v=onepage&q=sulfurized%20olefins&f=false. That is similar in concept.JSR (talk) 19:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Vinyl amine?

You might recheck, vinyl amine is unknown. Would be like vinyl alcohol. Also my guess is that cysteamine has hydrogen-bonds from SH to N but is probably not ionized. Someone must have done the structure, but it is not in Cambridge Database. --Smokefoot (talk) 17:11, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

True enough. I am remembering having made this monstrosity directly, but now I am going to have to chase down the route. I removed it.JSR (talk) 17:16, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Monty Hall problem RFC

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Concerning the pyrolysis category =

Hi John ! I am for sure against spam in WP, and altought I am not the creator of this company's page, it seems that it has been for a while in WP and has not been challenged so far. I believe they have brought some innovation to the field, if you believe they don't deserve to be in WP go ahead and propose theme for deletion I have no problem for it.--Khalid hassani (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Interest in sulfur compounds: Dietary Sulfur

Hi. Do you know of any sources/databases detailing the sulfur content of foods? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.19 (talk) 12:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

The FDA is the most likely place. They have databases on essential elements, but I am not sure if sulfur is included or not.JSR (talk) 12:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Sulfasalazine removed content

Sulfasalazine DOES NOT inhibits dihydrofolate reductase, and DOES NOT cause folate deficiency and megaloblastic anemia, this is a common mistake!

Ahmad Al-Tamimi, M.B.B.S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.236.233.3 (talk) 01:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

In general, if you are removing content from an article, it is a good idea to let people know why you are doing it. The edit summary is a good place to do this. Else, people will revert your changes.JSR (talk) 01:29, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

How to Contact

Do I understand rightly? You post on my talk page and I post on your talk page? A rather disconnected conversation...

SODIUM NITRITE The whole paragraph has no references. "uses in photography" (vague), "electrolyte", "diluted", etc. including the last sentence about "closed loop cooling systems." Should all of that be undone?

If I say "as an anti-corrosion additive to industrial greases" then a user would have to search for "industrial grease additive" and may have a difficult time finding info on Sodium Nitrite. If they search the DuPont grease they will have an direct connection to something that I know to be a fact. It is not SPAM and I don't have any connection to DuPont, but I do like examples that allow an encyclopedia to be helpful in my search for knowledge.

Perhaps you can tell me how to reference a source which is a webinar produced by DuPont, not guaranteed to remain posted on the web forever or even more than a few months? Should I post a ref to a DuPont data sheet? Babahu (talk) 02:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if you are set up correctly, I can post here, and you will see a note indicating a change on this page. Or, I can put an announcement, to be polite, that there is a message here, on my talk page. The difficulty with a lot of web content is that it ends up being [WP:SPAM]. Webinars are not the best sources, as almost anyone can say anything. For sources read WP:VERIFY and WP:PRIMARY.
If you want to reference the use of nitrites, find a secondary source that says it. An encyclopedia, such as Ullmans or Kirk-Othmer, a review article, a text book or book will work.JSR (talk) 09:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Please address this issue: The whole paragraph in question has no references. "uses in photography" (vague), "electrolyte", "diluted", etc. including the last sentence about "closed loop cooling systems." Should all of that be undone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babahu (talk • contribs) 22:05, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You would have to go back to the original and determine where they came from. That sounds like a task for you to undertake. To remove it you are going to have a reason. You can put in the [citation needed] template in to challenge those, if you so choose. Also, you need to use 4 '~'s in a row so that SineBot doesn't have to sign all your posts.JSR (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate all your help. Thanks for fixing my refs. The DuPont ref that talked about the sodium nitrate directly was a pdf and I did not know how to ref to that.

The lack of refs I mention has to do with the fact that you removed my addition for lack of a reference and yet I saw no references for the preceding items in that paragraph. I trust the info and I myself don't need refs on those things, but I do want to know when refs are really needed and when not. "Verifiable" can mean you can verify it, but not necessarily that you have to do so in the entry itself or give refs. So I am just learning. Appreciate any opinions on the above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babahu (talk • contribs) 23:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I understood your comments, but the problem is that there may have been a reference and it was lost in the shuffle or the original article was out of Ullman's. Typically, I won't remove something or question it, unless it seems really weird or completely off the wall. You can always put in the [citation needed] template and request a reference. Also, you need to sign your posts. 4~'s is the usual method.JSR (talk) 23:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Just a thank you

I wanted to thank you for your assistance the other day over on wikiproject chemicals! Gzuufy (talk) 04:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

By that logic, none of the zillions of "In Popular Culture" sections on Wikipedia pages are "particularly useful", so should they all be deleted too? The "In Popular Culture" dimension of Wikipedia must be particularly useful to at least those with an appreciative curiosity (like me) and those specifically researching references to [X] in popular culture, so therefore you believe Wikipedia should explicitly avoid serving such people? I won't start an edit-war over it, I just wish you would reconsider proactive opposition to "In Popular Culture". Acting against any dimension of Wikipedia seems to me is acting against Wikipedia itself. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.224.118 (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Your request for rollback

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Glycine

Ext Ref is not a spam but refers to the name of tone of the companies in parag thre: "In the USA (by GEO Specialty Chemicals, Inc.) and in Japan (by Shoadenko), glycine is produced via the Strecker amino acid synthesis.[8][9]" Savolya (talk) 15:42, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Naming it in the article and adding an external reference are two different things, but after looking at it, I would say that we definitely have spam. Reference 8 indicates that GEO and Shoadenko manufacture by the Strecker process. The GEO web site does not say that, therefore, it is not a reference. The addition of the web site to the external links is definitely spam. I will put a note on the talk page of glycine and let others put in their two cents.JSR (talk) 15:57, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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MgOH

Dear John, About MgOH and CaOH: (I have PhD in Organic Chemistry as well.) I noticed there are many different values for solubility of Mg(OH)2, and if you use the numbers in wikipedia, i.e. Ksp and solubility in g/L, they do not come out right. I disagree with your statement, that Ca(OH)2 and Mg(OH)2 do not differ very much in solubility. Actually, they do. Quite much for all practical purposes. Ca(OH)2 is about 0.1% or so, and will maintain pH of 12.5, while Mg(OH)2 is 3-4 orderes of magnitude less, and will keep pH almost intact. This is very important if you need to conduct a pH sensitive reaction.

Regards,

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Hello. Since you promptly reverted me without explaining why, perhaps you'll be kind enough to explain what the sentence means. RivertorchFIREWATER 06:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Magnesium hydroxide

Please explain why you have reverted my edits on the basicity of magnesium hydroxide. The value you have restored (pKb = 2.6) is completely unsourced and does not specify what reaction it refers to: Brønsted basicity to give Mg(OH)(OH2)+ or dissociation of OH-. I have found a source which gives two values: Kb1 for dissociation from Mg(OH)2 and Kb2 for dissociation from Mg(OH)+. If this is incorrect I would like to know why. Unsourced and unexplained values are not supposed to stay in Wikipedia, especially if sources are available. Dirac66 (talk) 02:59, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks for reply on my talk page. It appears you hit the undo button by accident. I have now restored my edit. Dirac66 (talk) 12:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

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Removal of sourced content

I have no idea what is up with this, but that reversion is unsustainable under any policy or guideline.

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The fat finger excuse. My browser sometimes shifts. I thought I had caught the inadvertent rollback, but I must have missed on. My apologies. JSR (talk) 13:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Understood. I've been dealing with a problematic editor on that article and am crabby. warning struck, and my apologies for that! Jytdog (talk) 14:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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OK, I put up a skeletal article on AKD and ASA. Please edit or leave comments so that we can get this thing to the level that it is helpful to reader. Some possible art: picture of an ASA. Most important might be a picture of the reactions of AKD and ASA with cellulose, although it is not clear if this aspect is really known. Some comment on the different ways ASA and AKDs are deployed would be appropriate. --Smokefoot (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Weight of Fuel ?

A tank containing say 10,000L of fuel is to be lifted.

Ignoring the weight of tank itself, how heavy would the tank weigh if filled fully?

Wikipedia does not seem to say succinctly, if at all, how heavy different kinds of fuel weigh.

Can you provide these answers, for say

If you know the density, you can calculate that. The articles list density. JSR (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for telling me about you reverting my Ethanol edit. The article might have had some bias signs in it. Cass — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassini127 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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Then migraine section should be deleted too

very similar to the one I found, and for the other 6 diseases it says there is no benefit, and those sections are allowed to stand but not my contribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by Granito diaz (talk • contribs) 21:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

We shall see, you are probably correct. Considering what I am seeing for most of the stuff in that section, it may be time to weed it out.JSR (talk) 23:16, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

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Again, why does my edit gets COMPLETELY OBLITERATED?

It cannot be restored, in case it is proven right.

Doesn't make sense, you had already deleted it, it was not visible to anyone, why delete it completely?

I didn't completely delete it. It is readily available if you check the history. JSR (talk) 22:28, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Removed due to copyright violations. JSR (talk) 22:32, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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It doesn't matter, but then again maybe it does

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Thank you for your correction. I apologize for my error. Please feel free to check up on my editing any time. btw - you are amazingly prolific for a newer editor. I appreciate your work and I am very impressed.

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What I heard ...

I asked around but did not get a clear answer about the thionyl chloride reactivity - giving alkyl chloride vs sulfite ester. It may well be stoichiometry, such that heating ROS(O)Cl, HCl with a trace of SOCl2 or other Lewis acid would give the alkyl chloride. My organic colleague did explain that the mechanism changes for tertiary vs primary alcohols. I notice that Voss et all keep temp low and sparge to remove HCl. --Smokefoot (talk) 23:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

See dimethyl sulfite. I think it involves not forming RSOCl, which is unstable. Two moles of alcohol forms the sulfite.JSR (talk) 00:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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On the page NFPA 704, it states that a compound with a flash point above 93.3 oC is considered to have a rating of 1. THe flash point stated in the trinitrotoluene article is 167 oC. Should I not be using this? Thanks, RedPanda25 21:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

That is making things up as you go. TNT is a special case. You need someone's MSDS to tell you that. I have looked. They all put it at 4.JSR (talk) 21:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Trinitrotoluene

[13] Hello JohnSRoberts,
Concerning the TNT article, I changed the flammability because these 3 things disagreed:

  1. The article on NFPA 704, which states that a compound has a flammability rating of 1 if its flash point is over 93°C.
  2. The stated flammability rating of 4.
  3. The stated flash point of 167°C.

There was a source for 1, but not 2 or 3, so I changed 2. Can you please tell me what I did wrong?
RedPanda25 01:19, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Did you check other SDSs for the product? If you had, you would have noted that they have it as a 4. We are not responsible for doing classification of chemicals. Others do it based on their better knowledge of the chemicals involved.JSR (talk) 11:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
So following sources is more important than internal consistency? Another source I found states the flash point at 290°C, and another source states that trinitrotoluene explodes before it burns, meaning that it has no flash point.

Thanks, RedPanda25 15:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Exploding before it burns is probably a pretty good hint about flammability. Don't get it hot. Internal consistency, particularly if it flies in the face of manufacturer's safety data sheets, is a bad idea.JSR (talk) 15:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I understand. But what flash point should be listed, 167°C, 290°C, or something else entirely? RedPanda25 16:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I would not list one. The first reference you listed above said that the flash point was greater than the autoignition temperature, at which point it explodes. That makes no sense. That may be an iffy source also. The second reference said that it explodes. So, the answer should be, "Explodes".JSR (talk) 16:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, change made. RedPanda25 18:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hypophosphorous acid

[31] Hello JohnSRoberts,
Concerning the hypophosphorous acid article, I changed the name because I have searched for "pseudo-tetrahedral" I only find articles related to transition metal complexes (and the Wikipedia article). It would make sense to call it "approximately tetrahedral" rather than simply tetrahedral, as the bulky oxygens can distort the geometry, but "pseudo-tetrahedral" makes no sense in this context. Can you please explain why you changed lit back?
RedPanda25 01:28, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

As a note, the article on Phosphorous acid, a related compound, simply states "tetrahedral" for geometry. RedPanda25 01:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
It does mean approximately tetrahedral, but it is properly called pseudotetrahedral.JSR (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I have not seen one source that calls it "pseudo-tetrahedral". Also, what is the difference between "pseudo-tetrahedral" and "approximately tetrahedral"? RedPanda25 15:01, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
If you can find a source that gives its' molecular geometry, go for it.JSR (talk) 15:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
The first source I found, PubChem, showed the structure to be analogous to nitrous acid... I'm sure that's not right. RedPanda25 17:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
It was originally added in 2005 by User:Physchim62. You may have to ask him where he got it. He did not cite any references.JSR (talk) 17:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
User:Physchim62's last edit was 7 months ago, so I doubt we will get a response. I would say that he intended it to mean the same as "approximately tetrahedral". RedPanda25 18:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I would say he intended to say pseudo-tetrahedral. It is that way as it has two arms of the same bond length (P-H) and then a third of different length P-OH). Pseudo-tetrahedral has meaning to a chemist and the literature is full of references to it. The only other change I could suggest would be to just remove reference to structure completely. Cotton & Wilkinson and Greenwood & Earnshaw are silent regarding structure.JSR (talk) 18:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. I'll leave how it is, but it would be helpful to link to an article describing what the term means. RedPanda25 18:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
How about "distorted tetrahedral". "Pseudo" sounds like it could have some technical meaning, or at least a specific kind of distortion. I see "distorted [some basic geometry]" in both undergrad and original scientific literature for all sorts of compounds, and also in the names of specific kinds of it (e.g., Jahn–Teller distortion). DMacks (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that could work. But why not just tetrahedral? I really don't find much on the subject in any major source. Maybe Smokefoot can come up with an Ulmann's source? JSR (talk) 23:04, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

It would be a bad idea to call it "distorted tetrahedral", as that often refers to the "seesaw" geometry of SF4. "Tetrahedral" could certainly work, but it would help to clarify that it is not a perfect tetrahedron in the way that methane is. RedPanda25 14:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
The "that often refers to seesaw" is not in keeping with a cursory check of the literature. Or at least the most common uses are for not that sort of distortion, but rather to the lay-language or general idea rather than that specific type. DMacks (talk) 03:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I have seen multiple chemistry textbooks that refer to it that way. RedPanda25 20:32, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
As have I, typically among other distortions (I already linked another example called a distortion), so "a distorted tetrahedron", not "the specific geometry formally called 'distorted tetrahedron'" (as you note, the formal name seems instead to be "Seesaw molecular geometry"). There's no reasonable case where a tetrahedral intermediate (Gold Book defined as simply "tetrahedral") is actually a perfect tetrahedron. DMacks (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
So do we agree that the best thing to say is "tetrahedral"? RedPanda25 01:04, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

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Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 May. It will be on all wikis from 25 May (calendar).
  • There will be a <div> tag around HTML from the MediaWiki wikitext parser. Gadgets with code that does not follow recommendations could have problems with this. You can report new problems you think are related to this. [32]

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Problems

  • Last week’s MediaWiki version was rolled back from some wikis because of a problem. This means planned changes did not happen. [33]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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Recent changes

  • You can see new files on Special:NewFiles. You can now pick which dates you want to see files from. [35]
  • When you read Wikipedia on a mobile device the first paragraph now comes before the infobox. [36]
  • You can now remove navigation elements from your results when you search. This could for example be part of an infobox that is only there to help you find the previous or next article. [37]
  • New users on Wikivoyages and Wikipedias (except French, English and German) now get a notification when a page they created is connected to Wikidata. Other wikis will get it 13 June. [38]

Problems

  • The MediaWiki version from two weeks ago was rolled back. It was fixed late last week. Changes that were planned to go out last week did not happen. [39]

Changes this week

  • Wikimedia wikis can show fewer links to articles in other languages. This is to make it easier to find the languages likely to be useful to the reader or editor. Everyone can still click to see the full list. Logged-in users who use the compact language links will see languages they have in their Babel box on their user page in the first, shorter list. You can turn the compact language list off or on in your preferences. [40]
  • You can choose what dates to look at when you look at a user's contributions. [41]
  • When you click on your watchlist in the mobile view you get a list of all pages in the watchlist instead of the latest changes to them. Logged-in users with at least ten edits will now get the latest changes instead. [42]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
  • String comparisons in Scribunto modules are now always done case-insensitively by byte order. Before they were sometimes in a case-sensitive US-English collation order. This could break some modules. [43]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • The 2006 wikitext editor will be removed the week of 27 June. This is the old toolbar with small square blue buttons. You can see a picture of it. 0.03% of active Wikimedia editors use this old tool. They will not see a toolbar at all. [44][45]
  • Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron already works on German Wikipedia. It will be on English Wikipedia later this week so you can test it there too. [46]
  • The Architecture Committee will change and get a new name. You can read and comment on the draft that describes the new committee.

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Recent changes

  • Some wikis have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. When you write an edit summary there you can now see how many bytes you have left before the summary is too long. [47]
  • When you search on Wikipedia you can now find pages on other Wikimedia projects that could be relevant. You see them next to the search results. [48]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 June. It will be on all wikis from 15 June (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • You will soon be able to get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account. You can test this on the test wiki. This will only work if they fail to log in to your account. [49]
  • Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron now works on all Wikimedia projects. [50]
  • Administrators can soon search for deleted page titles and find results that are similar to what they searched for. Today the search only finds pages that are exactly the same as what you search for. This is to make it easier to find pages when you don't know the exact title. Administrators on Arabic, Catalan, English, Persian, German, Italian, Polish, and Russian Wikipedia and on mediawiki.org can test this by adding &fuzzy=1 to the end of the web address when looking at Special:Undelete. [51][52]

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Problems

  • ORES had some problems on 13 June between 16:00 and 19:40 UTC. It has now been fixed. [53]

Changes this week

  • irc.wikimedia.org has to be rebooted. This will probably happen on 21 June. It may be postponed. Some tools use this to get the recent changes feed. They will not work when it is down. [54]
  • Special:PageData will be an entry point for machine-readable page data. [55]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 June. It will be on all wikis from 22 June (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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Recent changes

  • The <inputbox> has a new searchfilter parameter. You can add values like searchfilter=insource:foo. It will add that to the user's search query. [56]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 June. It will be on all wikis from 29 June (calendar).
  • Users will be able to choose whether they want to see Wikidata changes in enhanced watchlist/recent changes. Previously, this was disabled for everyone. [57]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the next WMF Language team office hour, an open session to talk about Wikimedia Language projects. The meeting will be on 27 June at 13:00 UTC. [58]

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Tech News: 2017-27

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Recent changes

  • There was a problem with maps on Wikimedia wikis that used <mapframe> when you clicked on the link to another map service. Open Street Map or Google Maps are examples of other map services. If you had marked a place on the map the marker would not be in the same place on the other map service. It was in the middle of the map. This has now been fixed. [59]

Changes this week

  • Very old and inactive unpublished translations in the Content Translation database will be removed. This is because of technical maintenance. If you have not worked on a translation after 1 January 2016 you will lose it after 6 July. If you want to keep the unfinished translation you need to open it before 6 July with the Content Translation tool. You can continue working on it later. Translations that were started or have been worked on after 1 January 2016 will not be affected.
  • There is no new Mediawiki version this week.
  • EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. It works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July. Tech News wrote about this in the 2017/07 issue. [60]

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Tech News: 2017-28

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Recent changes

  • There are sometimes links to pages about the same thing on other Wikimedia projects. A Wikipedia article about Berlin can link to the Wikivoyage guide or Wiktionary entry about Berlin. You can now see when that page has a badge. A badge could be the star that shows that an article is a featured article. [61]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 July. It will be on all wikis from 13 July (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Mobile users will be able to edit Wikipedia without JavaScript. This will make it possible to edit the wikis from older mobile phones. This will probably happen on 18 July for most wikis. [62]
  • We will not use Tidy on Wikimedia wikis in the future. It will be replaced by June 2018. It could be earlier. Editors will need to fix pages that could break. You can read the simplified instructions for editors.

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Tech News: 2017-29

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Recent changes

  • "Wikimedia Labs" is now called "Cloud VPS". "Wikimedia Tool Labs" is now called "Wikimedia Toolforge". This is to help clarify the purpose of these services. [63]

Problems

  • On some pages, the Table of Contents is not being shown. It will normally appear if you edit the page again. Investigation is currently ongoing. [64]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 July. It will be on all wikis from 20 July (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 18 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is: Migrate to HTML5 section ids. [65] The meeting will be on 19 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Page Previews, currently a Beta Feature, will be enabled for logged-out users for all remaining Wikipedias (with the exception of English and German) the week of 24 July. An A/B test will be run on English Wikipedia to collect data before approaching the community for further discussion. [66]

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Tech News: 2017-30

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Recent changes

  • CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. This will make it easier to make templates look good on mobile devices. This now works on mediawiki.org and Wikitech. It will come to more wikis later. [67][68][69]
  • .mw-ui-constructive modifier class is deprecated and has been removed. [70]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 July. It will be on all wikis from 27 July (calendar).
  • It will be possible to restrict who can send you notifications on a wiki. This new feature will accessible in your preferences, in the Notifications tab, on Wednesday, July 26. Please see the documentation. [71]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 25 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the Wikimedia Foundation July 2017 Metrics & Activities Meeting. The meeting is about how Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement are perceived and understood by the world. The meeting will be on 27 July at 19:00 (UTC). See the agenda and how to join.

Future changes

  • New Filters for Edit Review, at the moment available as a Beta feature, will be released by default for the Recent Changes in September.

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Tech News: 2017-31

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Problems

  • Some pages show the error Lua error in mw.wikibase.entity.lua at line 34: The entity data must be a table obtained via mw.wikibase.getEntityObject. This problem happens on pages with a Lua module that uses Wikidata. The developers are working on fixing the problem. You can fix a page by opening it for editing and then saving without changing anything. [72]
  • Wikidata and German Wikipedia could not be edited for an hour on 28 July. You can read why and how we could avoid it in the future in the incident report.

Changes later this week

  • Some wikis already have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. All remaining wikis except Commons will have these from 1 August. [73]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 August. It will be on all wikis from 3 August (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • The default font in the edit window will soon change for some users. Instead of using the browser default it will be monospace. Users can change this in their preferences. This should only change this for some users on Macs and iOS devices. [74]

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Tech News: 2017-32

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Recent changes

Problems

  • You can get an email when a page on your watchlist was edited. You can choose not to get emails for minor edits. There is a bug that means that you then don't get an email when someone does a normal edit after a minor edit. The developers are working on fixing this. Until it has been fixed you can activate "Email me also for minor edits of pages and files" at the bottom of "User profile" in your preferences if you want to. [77]
  • The thanks button sometimes didn't work for mobile users. This was because of a new bug and has now been fixed. [78]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 August. It will be on all wikis from 10 August (calendar).

Future changes

  • Editors and readers who still use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP will not be able to use Wikipedia. Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP can't connect securely to the wikis. When we allow them to do so it means that we get less security for everyone else. If you use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP you can install Firefox 52 ESR instead. Around 0.1% of the traffic to the Wikimedia wikis comes from Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP. [79]
  • Links to sections on Wikipedia don't work well in languages that don't use the Latin script. The URL in the address bar in your browser shows Latin characters like .D0.A1.D1.81.D1.8B.D0.BB.D0.BA.D0.B8 instead of the section heading in the wiki's language. Links to sections in non-Latin scripts will be in the script of that wiki in the future. This will happen in the next few months. [80][81]
  • Wiki pages printed by the web browser "Print" function will have an updated style. This new style will be similar to the when you download a page as PDF. It will be better at showing tables, infoboxes and headings. [82][83]

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Tech News: 2017-33

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Recent changes

  • Bureaucrats can now set users as confirmed. Previously only stewards could do this on most wikis. Nothing will change for wikis that have previously decided to let administrators set users as confirmed. [84]

Problems

  • The symbols in the language list that show that an article is good or featured in that language doesn't work. Links to the Commons category in the sidebar doesn't work either. The developers are working on fixing it. [85][86]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 August. It will be on all wikis from 17 August (calendar).

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Tech News: 2017-34

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Recent changes

  • You can now test the new Timeless skin on the test wiki and mediawiki.org. You can turn it on in your preferences. You can report bugs in Phabricator. It will come to more wikis soon. [87][88]
  • Your watchlist can now have the option to unwatch pages. You have to turn this on in your preferences. [89]
  • If a table has several columns you can often choose which column you want to use to sort the table. This has not worked for some columns for readers who have used Firefox or Safari. This has now been fixed. [90]
  • The RelatedArticles extension has shown related pages on Wikivoyages. You will now see the related pages at the end of the article together with an image. Previously the links were in the sidebar. Wikis that want this extension can request it on Phabricator.

Changes later this week

  • Videos will now be played in the WebM format in all browsers. Previously some browsers used Ogg Theora (.ogv). If you use Safari, Internet Explorer or Edge you may see slower playback speed at high resolutions. Instead we will get better quality and smaller file size. You can still upload video as Ogg files. They are automatically converted to WebM. This doesn't affect Ogg audio files. [91]
  • The default font in the edit window will change for some users this week. Instead of using the browser default, it will be monospace. Users can change this in their preferences. This should only change this for some users on Macs and iOS devices. [92]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 August. It will be on all wikis from 24 August (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Tech News: 2017-35

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Recent changes

  • Syntax highlighting is now a beta feature on Wikimedia wikis with text written from left to right. It will come to right-to-left wikis later. This beta feature is based on CodeMirror. [93][94]
  • You will now get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account and fails. If they try from a device or IP address that have logged in to your account before you will be notified after five failed attempts. You can turn this off or choose to get an email notification in your preferences. You can also turn on to get an email when someone logs in to your account from a new device or IP address. [95]

Problems

  • Some pages show the error Lua error in mw.wikibase.entity.lua at line 34: The entity data must be a table obtained via mw.wikibase.getEntityObject. This problem happens on pages with a Lua module that use Wikidata. This has now been fixed and no new pages will get this problem. You still need to fix pages that were broken before and still show the error message. You can see how on this page. [96]

Changes later this week

  • You can block users from sending you notifications. [97]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 August. It will be on all wikis from 31 August (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

  • In the future you will have global preferences. This means you could set something in your preferences to work in the same way on all wikis. You will not be forced to use global preferences. The developers are now asking if editors need exceptions. This is where you want to use global settings on almost all wikis, but have some wikis where you want it to work in a different way. If you want this you need to tell the developers now. You can do so on the talk page. [98]
  • New filters for edit review is a beta feature to improve recent changes pages. It will work on watchlists from 5 September. [99]
  • The jQuery library will be upgraded to version 3 in September 2017. Wikis can ask on Phabricator to get it early, so they can help find and solve problems now.

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Tech News: 2017-36

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Tech News

Recent changes

  • The RevisionSlider user interface has changed. You can now select revisions by clicking on the bars. You can move the blue knob past the yellow one and the yellow one will move along, and the other way around. [100][101]

Problems

  • Some users have problems loading very large watchlists. It is working better than earlier but the problem has not been solved. The developers are working on fixing it. Until it has been fixed you can turn on "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" in your preferences and see if it helps. [102]

Changes later this week

  • New filters for edit review is a beta feature to improve recent changes pages. It will work on watchlists from 5 September. [103]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 September. It will be on all wikis from 7 September (calendar).

Meetings

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Tech News: 2017-37

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Recent changes

  • You can get a notification when a page you created is connected to a Wikidata item. You can choose to get these notifications in your preferences. Some wikis already had this option. It is now available on all wikis. [105]
  • The Newsletter extension is now on mediawiki.org. The newsletter extension is for newsletters where you can subscribe by getting a notification when a new issue has been published. It will come to more wikis later. [106]
  • The Linter extension helps you find technical errors in articles. There is now a new high-priority category: tidy-whitespace-bug. This usually affects templates with horizontal lists. You can read more about using Linter and the Tidy whitespace bug. [107]

Problems

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 September. It will be on all wikis from 14 September (calendar).
  • OOjs UI will be updated. This could affect some icons. You can read more about the changes.

Meetings

  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • You can't use OCG to create PDFs after 1 October. This is because of technical problems. You can use Electron instead. Most PDFs are already created with Electron. Electron will get missing features before 1 October. You can create books but they will not have all planned features until November or December. You can read more on mediawiki.org.
  • New filters for edit review are available now on recent changes as a beta feature. Some of those filters and other features will be deployed as default features in the coming weeks. Users will be able to opt out in their preferences. [109]

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19:16, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-38

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 September. It will be on all wikis from 21 September (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 September at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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15:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes later this week

  • You now get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account and fails. If they try from a device or IP address that have logged in to your account before you will be notified after five failed attempts. For security reasons you will soon get an email by default when someone tries to log in to your account and when someone logs in to your account from a new device or IP address. This can be turned off in your preferences. [116]
  • Users with extremely old browsers (for example Netscape 2–4, released from 1995–1997) which do not support Unicode will no longer be able to edit. They should try to install a new browser. [117]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 September. It will be on all wikis from 28 September. (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

  • The Wikimedia Foundation Readers department has proposed changing the mobile website. You can read more on mediawiki.org. This would be a big change.
  • You can't use OCG to create PDFs after 1 October. This is because of technical problems. You can still create PDFs. Tech News 2017/37 said the function to create PDFs from books would still work. It is now clear it will not work for the next few months. The developers are working on fixing this. You can read more on mediawiki.org.

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16:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now use preload features in the visual editor. This means you can create links to create new pages and some text will already be in the edit window when someone clicks on it. [118]

Changes later this week

  • If you have turned on "Automatically enable most beta features" you will now get the 2017 wikitext editor. Before this you had to turn it on manually even though it is a beta feature. [119]
  • Special:Block and Special:Unblock will get the OOUI look. [120]
  • The jQuery library will be upgraded to version 3 on all Wiktionary wikis from 2 October. It will be on all non-Wikipedia wikis from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October. [121]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 3 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • A new feature called Reading Lists are coming to the Wikipedia mobile apps. First it will be in the Android version. Reading Lists are a private user preference where you can see lists of articles on multiple devices. You can give feedback on this feature. [122]
  • The search function has used fallback languages for language analysis. This means a language could be analysed with the grammar of a completely unrelated language to find related words. This will be removed from most wikis the week starting with 9 October. You can read more and give feedback.

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23:25, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • You will not be able to edit or upload files to Commons for around 30 minutes on 11 October. This will start at 06:00 UTC. This is because of work to let Commons show 3D models. [125]

Changes later this week

  • The font in the edit window is monospace by default. Today you can change preferences to another font family or use "the browser default" instead of monospace. Switching to the browser default has only changed the font on Macs. The option to use browser default will be removed this week. [126]
  • If you want to print a page or make a PDF of a page you can do so in the side menu. The way the pages look when you do this will change. You can read more on mediawiki.org.
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 October. It will be on all wikis from 12 October (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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14:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • When you edit a template with the visual editor it follows the template's format configuration on how to save it. You can now change the format in more powerful ways if your wiki wants it. [127][128]
  • The TwoColConflict extension is a new way to solve edit conflicts. It makes it easier to copy and paste the relevant text to the text field. It has been a beta feature for the last five months. You can now try out the new interface on a page where you will actually get simulated edit conflicts. You can give feedback to the developers.

Problems

  • There is a problem with recent changes pages and your watchlist that show a large number of pages. Until it is fixed, Wikidata edits will not be shown on recent changes or in your watchlist on Commons or Russian Wikipedia. If necessary, Wikidata edits will be removed from all wikis. [129]
  • Notifications are not working for some actions. For example some users don't get a notification when they are mentioned. The developers are working on fixing this. [130]
  • Users on some wikis could not change their preferences. This has now been fixed. [131]

Changes later this week

  • Editors and readers who still use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP will not be able to use Wikipedia from 17 October. Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP can't connect securely to the wikis. When we allow them to do so it means that we get less security for everyone else. If you use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP you can install Firefox 52 ESR instead. Around 0.1% of the traffic to the Wikimedia wikis comes from Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP. [132]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 October. It will be on all wikis from 19 October (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 17 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 18 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can use ccnorm_contains_any when you create an abuse filter. This can be used to look for multiple words or phrases within a string. It will find words where some characters have been replaced. You can read more in the documentation. [133]

Changes later this week

  • When you search in some languages the search function could use specific other languages if the first language didn't work. This is called a fallback language. This didn't work properly and created bad searches. The search index is being fixed to work better. [134]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 October. It will be on all wikis from 26 October (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 24 October at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 25 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

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18:18, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now block users from emailing you through the Wikimedia wikis. [136]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 November. It will be on all wikis from 2 November (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 31 October at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
  • You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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00:20, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You will no longer see the patrol log on Special:Log unless you specifically select it. [137]

Changes later this week

  • The 2017 Community Wishlist Survey begins on 6 November. You can post proposals from 19:00 UTC and until November 19.
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 November. It will be on all wikis from 9 November (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

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18:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)