This is an archive of past discussions with User:Joe Decker. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
You declined my article for lack of notability, but I included a national newspaper article on the author, a recording of an interview on an international radio station, newspaper coverage of a book trailer that was made and won an international award, and also linked to the trailer itself. Also I linked to the author's Twitter page that has around 40000 followers and to Goodreads where the books have been rated over 15000 times, as well as some reader compiled lists where the books have been voted on thousands of times as well.
Granted this isn't Steven King but there are a lot of other author pages on Wikipedia with a awful lot less notability than I have been able to find for this one.
I did decline it, perhaps I missed something in the inline external links, let's go through the draft as it is now, and see what we have.
A word on how you've linked sources -- sources which are being used to verify facts and establish notability should be handled using references. The easiest way to start learning how to make references on Wikipedia is to read Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners, which includes a nice video showing how to use the RefToolbar, which makes working with references a whole lot easier. The way you've linked thinks, bracket-URL-bracket, should almost entirely be reserved for an external links section at the bottom of the article and should in most articles never occur in the text. That wasn't why I declined it, but it will help the next reviewer, when you resubmit this, make sense of what they're looking at.
Anyway, going through the links in order (and I may have missed one, but I think you'll be able to follow along)....
Twitter - remove Please see WP:External links/Perennial websites for more information on why social media sites, IMDB, YouTube and/or Find-a-Grave are not generally considered reliable secondary sources.
YouTube - remove (Please see WP:External links/Perennial websites for more information on why social media sites, IMDB, YouTube and/or Find-a-Grave are not generally considered reliable secondary sources.)
University of Sunderland's Press room - this can stay, but it doesn't provide signficant coverage of the author, and doesn't go toward WP:BASIC.
Goodreads - remove
Koestler Trust - page linked to doesn't mention the author - remove or improve
Goodreads - remove
Goodreads - remove
Goodreads - remove
Amazon - publicity materials and self-published reviews - remove
The Mirror isn't that clean-cut a case, by the way. The MIrror had been a book review I probably wouldn't have blinked about saying it applied toward notability, but given how it's been used, well, we try and be very careful when saying someone has been in prison.
All my comments above aside, Ronald may very well meet our notability guideline! The article doesn't quite show it yet, but that doesn't mean that there aren't more appropriate sources which would get this over the bar.
That most of the article is sourced to unreliable sources--the vast majority--is going to be a major impediment forward the article being accepted in its current state, by any reviewer. I would first look for more in the way of solid coverage in newspapers and magazines, and then trim 90% of what's written that isn't covered in those. The article will be much shorter, but will be much more likely to be accepted by the next reviewer. --j⚛e deckertalk23:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Why was my articled declined?
Hi there,
I would just like to get some information as to why my article was declined creation? I would also like to know how it could be accepted so I can move forward with the creation of my Wikipedia page.
Kind regards
Bronte Bendeich
Snelleman Tom
Hi Tom,
If you look at the draft article, Draft:Snelleman Tom, the reason the article was declined is in the pink box at the top.
If that discussion doesn't make sense (and I realize our policies can be confusing), I'd start by reading WP:Your first article to get an understanding of what we need from an article in order to accept it, particularly the Gathering references section. All articles on Wikipedia, but most particularly biographies, need to contain references to in-depth coverage in reliable, independent, third-party coverage, and have that coverage back up what the article says. These would typically be references to newspaper articles, magazine articles, and/or book sections, but not interviews or press releases. I hope this helps! Best of luck! --j⚛e deckertalk00:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Request on 01:49:34, 2 December 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Espera az
Hi! I am the founder of the webpage from where the content was pulled for wikipedia. I wanted the information on the school to be in consistency with what wikipedia talks about it!
While you may be, or may be associated with, the copyright holder of the work which appears to match the text you have submitted, I certainly take your word for it personally, it is usually the case that such material (particularly any autobiographical material) is often unsuitable for Wikipedia. The goals of such writing are different, self-written biographies or descriptions aim to put the subject in a positive and sometimes glowing light, whereas our encyclopedia aspires to neutral, balanced, dry and objective summaries. And "we" in a Wikipedia article is Wikipedia, not your organization.
If you still believe you would like to donate a license to the copyrighted text, your next step is to read WP:Donating copyrighted materials, that page explains how to proceed, and a few important things you will have to understand before you do. But given how promotional the text was, I believe you would be better off taking a different path.
If you are writing about your own enterprise, it can be quite difficult to write a proper encyclopedia article--and in fact, our policies go out of their way to suggest that you do not try. Please read and understand WP:PSCOI.
One of the basic bars an article like this is going to have to meet is notability, which is defined under Wikipedia as being shown by coverage in arm's-length, reliable sources. These are usually things such as newspaper articles and magazine articles, and excludes the sort of "reprinted press releases" common to some local business rags--those sources must be independent and reliable.
My best advice is to start over, and then work at finding those sources. Find out what they talk about, and how. And then write your article based almost entirely on those sources. You can use primary sources to fill in entirely neutral and uncontroversial facts (where's the HQ?), but the use of primary sources should be a minimum.
Hello Joe. I am new-ish to the creator side of Wikipedia. Im and longtime user (and financial supporter) and I've done some editing in the past. Yesterday I created a page "Mary Fairburn", which I thought would past muster, but it's been deleted due to using copyrighted material. I cited my sources, and thought my quotes were well within the "fair dealing" limits. Fortunately most of the article is still in my Sandbox. Can you advise me please how to bring my article up to your standards? Cheers, Greg Tanner Gregory Tanner (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
The output from this [1] will provide you a helpful reference. As a single example, the text " a taker in of the homeless and an agitator on the behalf of local conservation causes she has", the second match, appears in Wikipedia's voice in your sandbox, If the output from that inelegant script gives any sense of the degree to which the Times got quoted here, it might be that that needs to be cut back, but that is a somewhat smaller and more subjective hurdle.
I would guess, and I mean no insult by this, that you started with a cut-and-pasted version of the article and attempted to edit it down, based on the quantity and type of identical phrases. In my experience, this never works, and often even when it appears okay to our scripts, results in copyright issues due to WP:Close paraphrasing, which are inevitably discovered years later and require quite a bit of redacting of historical revisions of an article. It is far simpler on everyone involved when editors here write in their own words. Please do so. Thank you for understanding. --j⚛e deckertalk20:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Please provide the list of Pangrams that you deleted
I am somewhat puzzled why you deleted the list of international Pangrams for all languages that we used to reference constantly in our language testing and research, but obviously you know more about this topic and since you deemed it frivolous and useless, then it must be so.
Can you please provide the list to me at windowing at yahoo
Request to re-write an article that was previously deleted
Hi!
I would like to create the page "Comintelli" that was deleted on May 7th, 2014. I believe I will be able to write an article that meets all the guidelines compared to the old one that seemed not to have done that. How do I go about doing this? Can I just start a new article, although the topic is the same as in the deleted one? Thanks in advance! Carroend (talk) 09:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
The article in question was deleted as a result of a community discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comintelli, and the primary bar to writing a new article will be showing that you have new sources which meet our WP:CORP inclusion criteria, in particular, WP:CORPDEPTH. What we mean by these requirements seems to be confusing for many new editors, you may want to enlist some assistance at the WP:Teahouse, in fact, I recommend it, they're a good group of folks. In short, though, we're looking to see that there have been substantial (think, long-form) pieces on the company in reliable newspapers, magazines, books, written completely independently from the company (no press releases, interviews, or even many of the warmed over press releases that grace many of the business weeklies) and which cover more than routine announcements (executive appointments, M&A, facility moves, earnings announcements, product announcements, etc.)
Participating editors, who are familiar with our usual interpretations of these policies, said they couldn't find such sources, but if there's been new coverage, we can certainly talk. Sources do not need to be in English, but it certainly makes our lives easier when they are.
Because this often comes up with regard to corporate articles, if you are related to the company involved (and you may not be), note that can be difficult to write a proper, neutral, encyclopedia article on something you have an interest in--and in fact, our policies suggest, in that case, that you do not try. Please read and understand WP:PSCOI. However, if you do wish to continue writing such an article, in my experience, the key thing is to find a handful of sources of the type I described above, and then use what they talk about, and in what degree, as an indication of what deserves more or less coverage in an article. Best of luck! --j⚛e deckertalk04:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
16:54:13, 5 December 2014 review of submission by 68.102.58.146
I see you've added to it, but I'd have to decline it again immediately if you submitted it, the next step is making sure you've provided references to reliable sources that back the information you've provided. That's a requirement.
I'd really recommend reading WP:Your first article, which should give you a lot of background on the process here, and may help you avoid a few extra slow cycles through our process. In particular, until there has been a certain level of non-speculative coverage of the 2019 event our guidelines would tell me we can't have an article on the subject, and you'll have to show that that coverage exists with sources. The article on the 2018 super bowl is probably a good indication of what we'd need as a minimum, if that helps.
Ok Then Super Bowl XLIX has to be played first then will see about the Super Bowl LIII page. But You Put 2 that's on this page but why did you make me laugh. 68.102.58.146 (talk) 22:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Expanding stub for Ambassador John Banks Elliott _ Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia
Edit stub from Sandbox page. On expanding the stub for Ambassador John Banks Elliott, I have placed a great deal of the conversation I had with him about his Ambassadorial-ship in Moscow. I hope what I have placed is sufficient assemblage of him. I need help with editing and I am not sure with links to other pages or what should be linked.
I am unable to add his letter of accreditation which I have on jpg. Please advise.
_Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 1-2 accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II_01.1960_1.jpg
_Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 2-2 accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II_01.1960_2.jpg
Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 1-2_accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah_07.1960_1.jpg
Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 2-2_accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah_07.1960_2.jpg
I have also added references of Books, Journals, Newspapers and Newsreel mentioning the Ambassador. Could you please have a look at what I have placed and help with making it readable. The photo (Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presenting of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council Mr. Leonid Brezhnev. Moscow, July 1960)has gone funny again.
I managed to get many interesting stories from him, but it is not everything that I put on the page, some of the stuff I omitted is moderately confidential and some anecdotal. I guess I will have to write a book about his stories one of these days.
Please let me hear from you soon.
Kind regards, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Unfortunately I had to revert those changes. Photos do not make good references since they rely on someone's interpretation of what is depicted. Those of the sources I checked largely did not cover Elliott in any detail, with some not mentioning him at all and others being blatantly misrepresented. For example, one of the references mentioned that a historian had called Elliott "[Nkrumah’s] worst ambassadorial appointment in this period" and said he "advanced Soviet, rather than Ghanaian, interests in most of his dealings as ambassador" - our readers wouldn't have learned that from the flattering text you wrote. Instead it went pretty far off-topic by discussing, for example, Chinese customs of hospitality. This is not helpful for readers who are looking for information on Elliott. Huon (talk) 15:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I don’t understand what this about, is this some sort of a prank? I know there is a lot of hacking going on. Who are you Huon? Whatever your reasons for messing up my work, then removing the stub expansion on Ambassador Elliott’s page is not appropriate, what you are saying is neither here nor there. I do not appreciate what you did. I would kindly ask you to replace all of the edition and references that you have removed. This will enable me and the person from the talk page I sought help from to put it right.
This is not at all a prank. The {{help me}} template summons helpers from all over Wikipedia and brought me here. I took a look at the expansion, checked many of the references, and found both the content and the sources highly problematic. Some of the references might probably be salvaged, such as the one about how Elliott advanced Soviet interests more than Ghanaian ones, but the content would have to be rewritten almost in its entirety to appropriately summarize what the reliable sources report about Elliott. I'll explain my rationale in greater detail at the article talk page. Huon (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me realize the help me was bracketed, It was not intended to be. It is kind of you to take interest but the help me was directed to the editor I am working with. I will kindly ask you not to delete this article and let me continue with any edits myself.
Draft:Jamie Acton
cant understand why this article was refused again after I added references?
What is wrong with the references?
If you take a look at the other Leigh Centurions squad members most player articles have no reference at all and some even reference entirely the wrong person!
What exactly is a reliable reference and what do I need to do to actually get a factually accurate article accepted?
I didn't decline that article, User:Hell in a Bucket did, I'd leave a note at his talk page. I'm away from Wikipedia dealing with personal matters now or I'd take a longer look, my apologies for the terse reply. --j⚛e deckertalk16:52, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Request on 21:32:04, 8 December 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Blackmarionball5285
So clearly am new to this. I will try again but without the copyrighted information. Can you please tell me what portion of it was copyrighted? Was it in the links? Or...
Many Thanks in advance for your help, insight and guidance.
The link you've provided contains a sentence or two of information about the subject. This would fall short of what WP:BASIC requires. You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of demonstrating notability. I hope that it will be helpful. I'm currently away from Wikipedia for a few more days dealing with a personal matter, you may get a quicker response at the WP:Teahouse to additional questions. My apologies.--j⚛e deckertalk16:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
You are correct, that claim wasn't verified in the version I declined, but it is now. Thanks! I have approved it, but have marked the article for copyright investigation. If you'd like to take a look and stub it, that would be preferable to pure deletion. --j⚛e deckertalk19:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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Tried a few simple examples, nothing that would really exercise the new support, but at least it appears to be working great on what I tried. Thanks! --j⚛e deckertalk20:04, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Provide a copy please
This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 23:46, 16 December 2014 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) deleted page Frankie Townsend (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frankie Townsend)
Seems he was deleted entirely on the basis of not being notable as a carnival wrestler, wheras the novelty singing act is probably more notable. I understand martial arts editors having to maintain a "deletionist" position, but am not happy about the nom's apparent practice of not notifying article creators. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Email sent. Sadly, such notification is not required, although the tool I use to file AfDs when I nominate myself does that for free. Pity all around. --j⚛e deckertalk20:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Joe. I'm assisting Gregory Tanner with his article about Tolkien's illustrator. I was just trying to find out why you deleted his AFC submission. (There's no hassle about this - I think he was a little puzzled as to why it got deleted because of copyright violations.) No rush with the answer, however, if you're busy. LouiseS1979 (talk) 20:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
There were a very good number of substantial, identical passages in both the draft and [3]. The deletion log also notes that URL, or should. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk20:45, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello, you deleted the page I had worked hard to create without stating a reason.
It took months of talks with many contributions from Wikipedia users and everyone was finally happy with how it stood. So why did you delete it? If this was a mistake, fair enough, please can it be reinstated. Otherwise, please provide the reason.
Thanks
The article was deleted as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HeatsProductions. Participants said, in somewhat oblique language, that the article both did not meet our neutral point of view policy, but moreover, that there were not (either within the article or otherwise available) reliable, third-party independent sources which provided in-depth coverage of the topic. This bar is set particularly high for organizations and corporations, see in particular WP:CORPDEPTH.
You are welcome to appeal this decision to deletion review, but I believe my conclusion, that participants in the discussion felt the article not meet our "notability" guidelines in particular, will be upheld unless you provide them with sources that demonstrate that the topic does in fact meet that guideline. If you are new here at Wikipedia, you may wish to run a few by some editors at the WP:Teahouse first, as ... many new editors find the ins and outs of our notability guidelines challenging. Best of luck! --j⚛e deckertalk22:44, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I see you or another editor has already created an article on the film. I haven't had a free moment to assess the information you've provided, but if you're correct that principal photography has begun, and there are sources which meet our general notability guideline, I think it is likely the article will remain and grow. --j⚛e deckertalk22:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Request on 10:06:06, 17 December 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Geven46
I am totally new at this and have inadvertently used copyrighted material I am not even aware to be copyrighted. If those portions submitting copyrighted materials are highlighted, I will most definitely delete those and resubmit the article.
I'll admit to being a bit confused, are you saying you don't know which parts of the article you cut and pasted from other sources? In any case, I can't restore copyrighted material, and pretty much all materials are copyrighted under United States law. --j⚛e deckertalk21:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
To put this into context, I asked Geven46 to ask you to email the article (using the "Email this user" link), if (and only if) he could supply ample evidence he wrote the text he was copying from. I believe RHaworth is one of several admins that will email text of deleted articles on this premise, although I know other admins will refuse to email anything speeded per G12, no ifs, no buts. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Expanding stub for Ambassador John Banks Elliott _ Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia
Dear Joe Decker,
I hope all goes well with your emergency and you will be able to return to your talk page soon.
Someone called 'Huon' has messed up and removed my stub expansion to Ambassador Elliott's page. I do not understand why he did what he did, because what he is talking about has nothing to do with what I am writing. Everything I put on the page has been approved by Ambassador Elliott. I am so upset I don't even know what to say. Please advise. I spent a lot of time piecing Ambassador Elliott's oratory together. Some of the material is from his own collection. If 'Huon' had taken time to read what was written, he would have noted that 'Ambassador Elliott is resolute and holds no grudges towards any persons or institutions that are inequitable towards him or his achievements'. Huon knows nothing about Ambassador Elliott or me. He has really upset me.
Kind regards, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Dear Joe Decker,
I have reverted all the mess and deletions made by other persons to Ambassador Elliott's page. How do I stop these other people from interfering. I would like to take time and have the page properly edited and completed without them meddling. Is there anyway to prevent them? I have also replaced the photographs deleted by them for no reason.
My previous request to you was to help expand and edit the stub. On expanding the stub for Ambassador John Banks Elliott, I have placed a great deal of the conversation I had with him about his Ambassadorial-ship in Moscow. I hope what I have placed is sufficient assemblage of him. As I said I need help with editing and I am not sure which links to other pages or what should be linked.
I would like to add his letters of accreditation which I have on my files. Please advise.
_Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 1-2 accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II_01.1960_1.jpg
_Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 2-2 accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II_01.1960_2.jpg
Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 1-2_accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah_07.1960_1.jpg
Ambassador John Banks Elliott_copy 2-2_accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah_07.1960_2.jpg
I have also added references of Books, Journals, Newspapers and Newsreel mentioning the Ambassador. Could you please have a look at what I have placed and help with making it readable.
I managed to get many more interesting stories from him, but it is not everything that I will put on the page, some of the stuff I omitted is moderately confidential and some anecdotal. I guess I will have to write a book about his stories one of these days.
The article is written with honesty and recounted by Ambassador Elliott himself. It is a complete assemblage as I could master of his Ambassadorial-ship in Moscow, I don’t think I will be adding anything else and would like the stub status removed from the article when the editing is complete. It will be nice to be able to get it over with before Christmas.
I left a message on your talk page requesting help with editing the addition to the article. What I did not realize was that others have access to your talk page and could comment from your talk page directly to me.
I have removed and adjusted what I think was causing the controversy, that is the second section, although it was approved for release in 2002 and anyone wishing to see this document could have access to it just by clicking the link and asking for it.
As you would have noticed, ‘Huon’, who deleted the addition to the article and made uncalled for remarks about Ambassador Elliott has deleted my article again, that is after I restored it and asked him kindly to allow me time to edit it in my time with an editor of my
choice. The Ambassador is an old man with a story to tell and is not familiar with today’s modern jargons, frankly neither am I. I have received another message in my talk page from Huon dated 7 December asking me not to restore the contents without addressing issues. He has also left his thoughts on Ambassador Elliott’s page blatantly sighting others as more verifiable than Ambassador Elliott himself who WAS the Ambassador in Moscow. He has also accused Ambassador Elliott of whitewashing his story. I find this appalling and will advise Huon to check the background of those persons whose information and literature he seems to think are more credible than that of Ambassador Elliott himself. Has Huon spoken to any of these people he is talking about? Or has been simply reading articles for which they were paid for. I refuse to have any dealings with Huon, and will not be making contact with him. I am sure Ambassador Elliott still has the clout as to where his complaint should be directed.
I also keep on getting messages about Ambassador Elliott’s photographs, which I uploaded. I spoke to Ambassador Elliott and he told me that he has no idea who took the old photographs of him in the sixties, all he remembers is that all the photographs he has from that period were sent to his offices with complements from the Ministries in Moscow. He has a whole box full. What I did is scan what I needed or make copies with my blackberry. The other photos of him in Maidenhead I took myself with my blackberry and have been shoveling them from computer to computer. There are no copyright restrictions attached to any of these photos and they can be displayed at will.
I have become so exasperated with 'Houn' that I have reported him to the "Administrators noticeboard/Incidents".
Titled: Problems with user 'Houn' with reference to Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia.
'Houn' has warned me not to replace his unwarranted deletions. I do not understand why he chooses to fight with himself.
I look forward to your views on the matter.
Kind regards, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 16:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dorothy,
First, I've been away, and will continue to be away from Wikipedia as I deal with some personal matters. My apologies for the delay and what will be a short and likely incomplete reply.
I am sorry that you are exasperated, I know that you are acting in good faith. Without having had the opportunity to look at the full back and forth, I will say one thing--Wikipedia's policies don't allow material to be based in general on the subject's recollections. This may be at the core of the dispute here. Our articles are supposed to be based on verifiable reliable sources, it is not a question of whether it is sufficient that the information is accurate, nor is it intended as disrespect, it is a matter that materials need to be based more or less on reputable publications. Even original ("primary") source material, such as contemporaneous documents, can be problematic under our policies. This can be frustrating, as well as confusing, even mystifying to new editors here.
I'm sorry that that is the case.
Because I won't be available for the next several days, I would direct you to the Wikipedia Teahouse, which is at WP:Teahouse, which is a somewhat more friendly resource for new editors, and no matter what the issues they may be able to provide friendly assistance and answers. Best regards, --j⚛e deckertalk17:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Dear Joe Decker,
So glad it is you, I will wait for you to fully get back to your desk and repost the expansion for Ambassador Elliott's page. I hope you can help me then.
Thank you, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 23:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Dear Joe Decker,
I have just read the Wikipedia: Public domain where it states that Wikipedia is primarily subject to U.S. Law. I also visited the applicable links including, situations by country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain
I hope now, 'Houn' and all those who deleted files with reference to Ambassador Elliott will replace them so that I can edit them accordingly.
Look forward to you getting back.
Kind regards, Dorothy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorothyelliott (talk • contribs) 21:39, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dorothy,
I'm not quite sure what the issues here have to do with the text being in the public domain or not. I wasn't aware that any concerns related to copyright had been raised at all.
The requirement that articles be based on third-party sources that have undergone an editorial process with a reputation for fact-checking is not about copyright, and it is not entirely (although it is in part) a question of accuracy), it is also part of the process by which we ensure that our articles have a neutral point of view and provide appropriate weight--that is, we put more emphasis on the stuff that has had more coverage in third-party sources, less on those that have had less coverage.
But perhaps I'm missing something, since you are talking about concerns regarding the public domain, can you point me at where copyright issues were raised? Thanks! --j⚛e deckertalk22:09, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure whether this is still relevant, but the copyright issue deals with the images Dorothyelliott uploaded, particularly those taken in Moscow by Soviet photographers at official events. Dorothyelliott said those images were in the public domain. I don't see why they'd be. Huon (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, that sounds like a completely sensible concern. I'll take a look, and see if I can sort through that issue with her when she returns. Most appreciated. --j⚛e deckertalk05:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Edited to add: I would guess that the Moscow/Brezhnev image(s) was/were products of the government of the Soviet Union or TASS, but that's just a guess, and I have no idea what rules would apply there, given that the "copyright holding" entity would no longer exist. You'd need to ask someone much smarter than I about image copyright to sort that one out. If you want to push that towards deletion at WikiCommons I'd entirely understand.
Now, I'm going to take a guess, but I'd like DorothyElliot to confirm this, that she is or knows the photographer for the 2011 image, she states she knows the subject (and shares his last name), so it's possible that for that image, at least, that I simply need to direct her to WP:Donating copyrighted materials. That one might be PD if the photographer wishes it to be so and formally lets us know through OTRS. --j⚛e deckertalk05:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The images already were deleted at the Commons, whereupon Dorothyelliott uploaded them to Wikipedia. I'll delete the Moscow images since no evidence of permission has been forthcoming for more than a week and Dorothyelliott pretty openly stated that she does not in fact know those images' copyright status. Personally I expect Russia to own the copyright, but that's just a guess. The third one I understand was taken by Dorothyelliott herself (she said something to that effect here, for example), and I have given her detailed advice on how to release that image under a free license. I'll give that one a grace period, but someone else may come along and delete it at any moment. Huon (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I completely understand. If/when DE returns, I will see what I can do to explain our copyright necessities. Russia is certainly a possible copyright successor, I made an attempt to read our article on the history of copyright in the SU and my head spun. In any case, thank you for your patience all around, and I agree that we can't maintain images around indefinitely without addressing our copyright necessities. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk22:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately Ronhjones deleted all the images while I was writing the above. I'll gladly undelete the one Dorothyelliott took herself if she'll go on to add the licensing information to the file page. Unfortunately I don't think I'd be welcome at her talk page; maybe it would be more beneficial if you talked to her. Huon (talk) 23:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that's probably right, and your offer is very much appreciated. I'll try leaving a note over at her talk page. Thanks for your help, I do appreciate it. --j⚛e deckertalk23:25, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
louis robinson deletion
I object to the removal of the above page, it would appear you have deleted LOUIS ROBINSONS wikiapedia page, im unsure why that is, under your guidance notes for rugby league, he has played in the last 3 seasons 7 times for Canada in full internationals against USA and Jamacia in both USA and Canada, countries all who fall within the RLEF and RLIF, he would have played around 4 more games but his English club side were unwilling to release him mid season as it clashes with the domestic league season and they pay his wages.
He plays in the championship as a semi professional; he has played in the challenge cup for the last three seasons which one of your rugby league guidlines, another one of your guidelines. He is paid and contracted on a two season contract to the London skolars who play in the div one of the kingstone press championship. Under the 12 super league teams, there are only 3/4 team full time professional teams in the two next divisions, it is a march till october sport. The co-operative championship no longer exists and hasnt for a season so your guidelines are out of date, This season he has turned down 4 new offers to stay in London where he lives including two to go full time, and two offers to play in France this winter, he is only one of two semi professional internationals to play for Canada, so is a big part of there rugby league heritage being only one of two overseas semi pros, All of history and claims were backed by factual links to trade papers and independent SPORT AND RUGBY websites, the site was updated on a regular basis, with accuarate and factually correct information. should you require any further information please contact me,
http://www.skolarsrl.com/2014/12/10/canadian-international-robinson-re-signs/
Hi. I deleted the article after determining that the consensus of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Robinson (rugby league) was to delete the article, and that that result was in line with our policies regarding deletion. For the article to be restored, you'd have to show that he either had appearances in a fully-professional league, or that he was the subject of signficant, non-routine coverage in multiple sources which are both at arm's length from him and his team(s), and which are reliable--generally newspapers, magazines, books. Sorry I can't be of more help short of that. If you feel I've erred, you can appeal my decision at deletion review. --j⚛e deckertalk21:35, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
My submission - Hormazd Narielwalla Collage Artist
I had submitted an article on this London based artist and to my genuine surprise it was deleted by you because I had written certain portions which amounted to infringement of copyrights.
This was my very first submission on an individual, and I sincerely assure you I had done everything in good faith. My request is the deleted article be sent to me at my email address, for re submission, after I delete and reword any copyright material.
I would be most grateful if those portions that infringe copyrights be highlighted.
I've emailed you the article, no problem. I understand folks don't understand copyright restrictions. However, we take then VERY seriously.
Here's some advice to avoid future deletions.
Write in your own words. Really. Don't even do more than glance at the draft that I sent you, if you attempt to "edit out" the copied portions in my experience there will be something missed. You will find it much easier to simply write it from scratch, copying absolutely nothing.
Write in neutral words. You may be, and/or may be associated with the artist. If that's the case, please read WP:PSCOI. But whether or not it's true, the language used in the article was not the language of an encyclopedia, it was the language of an advertisement. I don't know if you are familiar with traditional encyclopedias, but imagine, if you will, the dry and neutral tone that the Encyclopedia Britannica would use if they were to cover this subject. Emulate that.
Work based on arm's length, third party sources. One of the basic bars an article like this is going to have to meet is notability, which is defined under Wikipedia as being shown by coverage in arm's-length, reliable sources. These are usually things such as newspaper articles and magazine articles, and excludes the sort of "reprinted press releases", sources must be completely independent and reliable. My best advice is to start over, and then work at finding those sources. Find out what they talk about, and how. And then write your article based almost entirely on those sources. You can use primary sources to fill in entirely neutral and uncontroversial facts (where's the HQ?), but the use of primary sources should be a minimum. This process is likely to be frustrating for you if you take any other path, and while this process may sound like it will be more work, in the long run, it will be less work for you. Best regards, --j⚛e deckertalk22:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
@Joe Decker Thanks very much a zillion times. I will write, from scratch, in my own words so it ensures all of copy paste portions will be entirely removed. This artist deserves recognition- no one is doing collages and art work, on tailoring patterns, that have been exhibited and sold throughout the world.
You are quite welcome. The thing about the sources will be key--you may also want to ask questions at the WP:Teahouse if you have them along the way, they are an excellent and friendly source for helping new editors get their footing around here, this can be a confusing place to navigate. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk21:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Sam Swope (Businessman) :Deletion
I did not write nor did I have the opportunity to see the original Page for Sam Swope, but I did know the man. He was quite honorable and certainty deserves a place here on Wikipedia.
One person claimed Sam was nothing but a Car Salesman. Sure if that is what you call the founder of the Largest Auto Group in Kentucky with 1,100 Employees.
LaMona's remarks of noting the time of he demise and her snarky remark of "You kinda had to be there eh?" was cruel and unkind to anyone who knew him. Yes they did know the exact time. His family was by his side and they released a statement to the press which can be found at on the Courier-Journal's website. [1]
LaMona is trash in my book.
I'll admit, there might not be a bunch of "Source material on Sam Swope compared to some that are adorned in data on Wikipedia but the contributions he made on society with his philanthropy certainly do.
He was a Very Active Shriner Belonging to both Korsair Shrine in Louisville, Ky and Bahia Shrine in Orlando, FL. He was also on the Board of Kosair Charities. Where he founded the Sam Swope Charity Ride which Benefits the Shriners Hospitals. Millions of Dollars have been raised by him and with his great contributions. He made a $100,000 donation at the ride on March 9th in Orlando, FL. Incidentally, he did the exact same thing for the ride in Louisville, KY.
In August of this year, Sam made a Million dollar contribution to the Kentucky Humane Society for a new animal treatment and rehab center.
Some Car Salesman. Humph!
I am sure if the page is reinstated, the information would be accurate.
Forgot to sign this. My first time doing this.
OSHAGUY (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)OSHAGUY
Logo for Navitaire
Hi there, I'd like to thank you so much for moving my draft for Navitaire live following that article's deletion debate. I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind doing me another small favor: I've uploaded the company's logo and would like to ask if you could add it to the infobox? As you might have spotted in the deletion discussion, I have a financial COI and I don't make direct edits where that's the case. If you're able to help, the file is uploaded here: File:Navitaire_logo.png.
Also, I see you've got a lot of experience with Articles for Creation. I've been thinking about helping out there, reviewing articles (strictly with my non-COI account that has been languishing for a while, and only on topics where I'd have absolutely no conflict). Any tips for a willing helper looking to get started there? Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi! I've added the logo, no worries.
The primary thing I'd say about AfC is that it can take some time to really get a handle on our notability requirements overall. You've been here a few years, and have a bit more than the minimum number of edits, but I'd say it's helpful if to have a really good working knowledge of WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, WP:CORP, and WP:PROF. The first three rhyme pretty well, but academics are usually judged by different metrics and getting a handle on what would be, and wouldn't be, likely to survive a nomination at Articles for Deletion can be a trick. A few things are always notable, pretty much, if they're verified by even a single reliable source (populated towns and biological species are the two examples that come to mind.
Spending some time watching deletion discussions at AfD can help get a sense of what the community does consider "enough" in a lot of borderline cases.
The nice thing about AfC, however, is that you can simply pass on anything you're not sure about, and there's a lot of stuff that's very easy to make a call on.
For example, a good number of incoming articles are copied from some other text, usually creating a copyright issue. Finding those is pretty easy, often any sort of text that looks professionally written is a good candidate for a check. Try digging up a few ten-word or so patches from the middle of the article and googling them.
Similarly, a lot of incoming drafts are unsourced or poorly sourced, and some of those are very easy to spot and quick-reject.
The easiest articles to review are the very good ones (sadly few) and those written by folks who haven't gotten a handle on our notability guidelines. It's important (but difficult, I fail at this) to be patient--we really haven't provided enough guidance to new users to expect that they'll "get it right."
Thanks so much for adding the logo, and even more for the excellent tips on AfC. I'll definitely spend a bit of time watching some deletion debates and brush up my notability requirements knowledge on topics I'm a bit less familiar with. Happy holidays! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Ambassador John Banks Elliott
Dear Joe Decker, I have left the same message on my talk page in response to the copyright issue.
I have sent an email to Wikipedia: permissions-commons_ wikimedia.org (for the images) I really hope this will be accepted.
With reference to the photographs taken in Moscow, I do not know if this letter will be of any help in restoring Ambassador Elliot’s photographs. I already had copies of these same photographs given to me by Ambassador Elliott, which I had placed on his Wikipedia page and Wikimedia file which others have deleted.
Please see the attached letter, which I received by post from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Russia (MIDR) dated 30 October 2014.
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I can't seem to find or know how I can attach the letter without making it open. I used embedded file but I know its wrong, it did not come through for me to attach. Please let me know how to attach or load the letter for your perusal, I scanned it jpg (Below is the unofficial translation of the letter)
Dear dorothyelliott, As requested, we hereby send you copies of Ambassador John Banks Elliott’s letters of Accreditation of 28 January and 1 July 1960 as well as photos of presentation of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet Mr. K.E. Voroshilov, 22.03.1960. These documents are kept at the internal Archives of the Russian Federation. Enclosed: copies of documents and CD (for the addressed) (signed) Head of Archives Internal Politics Russian Federation.
I had a look at the sandbox and found Ambassador Elliott's page, text changed by Eunok4seth on 14 December 2014 (bad grammar) I decided to change it back to how it was, not sure if I did it right. I am not sure of what is going on anymore, I am very confused.
^Private Letter by post from MID Moscow to dorothyelliott.jpg
Hi Dorothy: I don't know if you've heard back from "permissions" yet, but please let me know when you do. I'm hopeful they'll approve the 2011 portrait, the other case is still quite unclear to me, the letter is fine, but doesn't necessary speak to the issue of copyright, in particular, that images on Wikipedia be free for reuse by anyone for any purpose. When I've returned from the holidays I have one more person I can try and ask who might be knowledgable about the specific situation of photographs whose original copyright was TASS or the Soviet Union in general, which I'm guessing is the case for the other images. They are certainly historic photos, and I have some other idea about how they might be accepted, but I'm not the expert at this, and the folks at the permissions queue have a lot more experience with image copyright. I'll keep my fingers crossed, I do think the Breshnev/Elliot images have some degree of irreplaceable historic value. --j⚛e deckertalk01:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Dear Joe Decker, Thank you for your response. No, I have not yet heard from “permissions” with reference to the photos (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org) I will definitely let you know as soon as they respond. I am aware that they are very busy; I don’t know if I should resend the mail in case it has escaped their notice. With reference to MID Russia, I have several mails corresponding to the subject. I informed them of my desire to expand the stub for Ambassador Elliott’s “Wikipedia’ page. They were very obliging and wished me luck with the article, sending me a CD of activities during his ambassadorial ship and some photos for use on his page. I selected four files from the selection sent by them for placement on “Wikipedia” [1][2][3][4] I hope this works out nicely, and we can complete the page soon.
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presentation of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet Mr. K.E. Voroshilov. Moscow. January 1960.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presenting of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council Mr. Leonid Brezhnev. Moscow. July 1960.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 1.2 Accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II. 01.1960г.англ1.jpg Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 2.2 Accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II. 01.1960г.англ2.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 1-2 Accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah. 07.1960г.англ1.jpg Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 2-2 Accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah. 07.1960г.англ2.jpg
I am here to clarify that, user who created the page was Bagaria Mayank not the person himself.
I am Mayank, and when I created that page! I was new to wiki articles thus might have conflicted with name of user and article. Kindly revert back — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.170.115.184 (talk) 08:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi,
I take your word for it, however, the decision to delete was not, or should not, have been made with respect to that question.
The real question for having an article on the subject, or not having one, is whether there are multiple, reliable, independent sources which provide in-depth coverage of the topic. This is described in more detail at WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of demonstrating that the subject meets our requirements. I hope that it will be helpful. --j⚛e deckertalk01:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Peter Khoury Incident
can you retrieve article Peter Khoury Incident which is deleted by afd nomination. i dont want it for recreating the article .it has important information i need it for future use!!( Krishnachaitan (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC) )
I'd be happy to email you a copy of the deleted article if you will enable email on your account, which you can do at Special:Preferences. I won't be able to see your email address when you do this, but you will see mine when I send you that email. --j⚛e deckertalk01:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I've revised my article that was declined as it contained copyrighted material. I've re-written the section that I believed was identified as being in violation into my own words. I've added a link to the article after my own words.
I'm writing this on behalf of the Bachner's for their deceased son as I was instrumental in getting the school baseball field named in his honor.
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Nomination of John Banks Elliott for deletion by 'Houn'
Dear Joe Decker, I left the message below on Ambassador Elliott's talk page and on mine talk page as well. What Houn is doing is beyond reason. Its just too stressing, Why? This article is of historical importance pray Houn to tell us why, when everyone is busy with a seasonal celebration of good will to mankind, he is spending his time scouting Wikipedia deleting people’s articles and files and putting forward for deletion the article on Ambassador John Banks Elliott, which for the record is of historical importance. What Houn is doing I consider shameful.
Is this some sort of a personal vendetta against the subject, the topic or just the writer of the article? He has continually disrupted the progress of Ambassador Elliott’s page. The author, just like many others, is qualified to place articles on any subject that is relevant and of interest to the general public visiting Wikipedia. There are no reasons for Houn’s haphazard behaviour, it has gone beyond decency. If Houn has a personal problem, then he should let us know, perhaps we can help sort it, so that the article can go forward without disruption.
This article is of historical importance and it will be unfair to have it deleted.
Kind regards, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)Dorothyelliott (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
HI Dorothy,
I'll chime in there after I've had a chance to read what's there, but I will say one thing--I spend a lot of time at AfD, and the argument that will succeed there is showing that there are newspaper, magazine, book accounts of the ambassador that provide in-depth, independent coverage of him. WP:BASIC is the "rule" that that discussion will win or lose based on. Given the power of the Soviet Union at the time and the historic time this was for Ghana, I find it difficult to believe that such sources don't exist, I expect that they are simply difficult to find given the number of years that have passed, and the lack of online Ghanan newspaper archives.
After placing the references to expand the stub for Ambassador Elliott, it was deleted by Houn. All that I, in my capacity as a layperson could find, I placed for the expansion in-between the full article. Also all photographs of Ambassador Elliott have been deleted. What there is on his page at present, is a fraction of what it should have been, had I not had constant disruptions from Houn.
These are some of the files I placed.
[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] J. Delegates and observers attending the tenth session of the conference
http://www.fao.org/docrep/x5573e/x5573e0t.htm[16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23]
Kind regards, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 17:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presentation of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet Mr. K.E. Voroshilov. Moscow. January 1960.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presenting of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council Mr. Leonid Brezhnev. Moscow. July 1960.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 1.2 Accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II. 01.1960г.англ1.jpg Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 2.2 Accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II. 01.1960г.англ2.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 1-2 Accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah. 07.1960г.англ1.jpg Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 2-2 Accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah. 07.1960г.англ2.jpg
^Newsreel Daily News/A Chronicle of the day March 1960 No.13 fragment 4 Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Ghana, John Banks Elliott presents his credentials to Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet Voroshilov.
http://www.net-film.ru/en/film-10894/?search=p6%7cv2%7cs1
^Daily Report: Foreign Radio Broadcasts, issues 56-60. Page 37
United States Foreign Broadcast Information Service 1960 – World politics
http://books.google.nl/books? ei=an7nU4ivFofaON6xgQg&id=yCUjAQAAMAAJ&dq=Ambassador+John+Banks+Elliott&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Elliott
I've responded at the AfD. I am familiar with the specific sources you've included over the time we've had the article, and have tried to aim the discussion at those that I believe best make the policy case. I'm sorry that this is such a frustrating process. Kind regards, --j⚛e deckertalk17:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing the article. I find you have also added good value to it while reviewing. Good to come across a pro Nature photographer here.Yndesai (talk) 06:36, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Joe. No frills - just a quiet ‘’all the best’’ to you for 2015 and I hope you’ll continue to be around on Wikipedia for a long time to come. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
That's fine, if you check the ANI, I was attempting to reply there but got in too late, at the end, basically I said I supported any GF admin action adding FP to that article if they felt it was warranted. I had always assumed it would be, and that a single confirmed Edison addition would soon come along to seal the deal. I don't really have a problem with avoiding the "extra lap" and cutting to the chase immediately. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk07:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Food.com page
Hi Joe,
I wanted to check in about the Food.com page. What is needed to be done? I resumbitted the page for review (I believe) per your instructions?
Dear Joe Decker,
Happy New year to you! Thank you for your support in keeping the page for Ambassador Elliott, the discussion ended I believe on no consensus. As Ghana’s first Ambassador to the Soviet Union, he was a witness to the last cycle of transition of colonial rule to independence. It is worthwhile of a mention. I noticed that ‘stub’ has been removed from the article and would like to know if it will still be possible to add his photos [2][3][4]
and the files of accreditation to his references, [5][6]
I have still not heard from “permissions-commons_ Wikimedia”. I will resend my email and hope they respond.
Do you think there are any references in the previous mails or edits that could still be added? Is there any possibility of additional text from the expansion that could still be added?
I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks again, DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 16:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presentation of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet Mr. K.E. Voroshilov. Moscow. January 1960.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott after presenting of his credentials to the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council Mr. Leonid Brezhnev. Moscow. July 1960.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. 9 February 2011.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 1.2 Accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II. 01.1960г.англ1.jpg Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 2.2 Accreditation from Queen Elizabeth II. 01.1960г.англ2.jpg
^Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 1-2 Accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah. 07.1960г.англ1.jpg Ambassador John Banks Elliott. copy 2-2 Accreditation from President Kwame Nkrumah. 07.1960г.англ2.jpg
HI Dorothy-- Glad to help. I really think that at this point you're going to need someone at OTRS/permissions to do the paperwork before images you created can be added, but once that is done, the images you took should be AOK. The others, those taken by TASS etc., I'm not sure about, but they can probably help more knowledgable than I can on them. I wish I could be of more help, I imagine many editors there have been focusing on the holidays, I hope you don't have to wait much longer! --j⚛e deckertalk04:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, I'll take a long look when I can, I've just had some pressing issues here at work. Thank you for your efforts to improve our encyclopedia! More soon! --j⚛e deckertalk04:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
While you're waiting, a few things....
The link at the top to Dang District? Try clicking through it, you'll find that it goes to a dismabiguation page, like this: Dang District
If you want that to point to the right article, there's a way to do it, it goes like this: Dang District. Looks the same, but the second link goes to the right place! You'll have to edit this section to see how I did it, but you'll see that using a veritcal bar in the link, like |, I can specify the title of the article I want to link to, and the text displayed in the link, and have those be different.
I'm think it is likely that we should have an article on the Sanctuary--that is, that there are enough sources out there that meet our policies to meet our basic inclusion criteria. That critieria largely works on the basis of sources. You can read the whole thing at WP:GNG.
What will help your articles get reviewed if you can learn what our articles need in terms of references. Generally, information in the article has to come from what our policies call reliable sources. This is not just a matter of the sources being correct, it's about them having been through an editorial process with a reputation for fact-checking, much as a good magazine, book or scholarly journal article would have. Most web sites, particularly commercial ones, are going to be seen as not meeting this criteria. So the source that I just added regarding the number of plant and animal species? That's going to be a source that reviewers accept better than a tourism-related web site. So where possible, work for references that have that quality.
Another thing--in one place you talk about the ideal time to visit. That's probably a pretty true statement in a general sense, but it's also subjective, and gives something that's more an opinion than a fact. in general, those don't belong in Wikipedia articles. Instead, we might talk about when a popular time to visit is--so long as that information comes from a reliable source, of course!
Anyway ,this isn't a review, and I may or may not end up being the reviewer that ends up reviewing your article, but the sort of points I make above--if you address a few of them, I think you'll find that the article will be reviewed more quickly and be more likely to be accepted. Hope this helps! --j⚛e deckertalk04:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
These are very valuable inputs, I surely need to improve my wiki syntax understanding and application. Regarding WP having article on this topic, I created it based on missing article link at List of national parks and wildlife sanctuaries of Gujarat, India. What I did was took "Kutch Bustard Sanctuary" article as a template and created this article. Where also there is mention about ideal time to visit. However popular time to visit can be better way of mentioning this. Yndesai (talk) 03:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
You deleted the article a few months ago, which probably made sense to you at the time, but he has a really good record and the UFC has just picked him up, meaning that his notability is going to be pretty clear cut. Can it be restored?
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