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I usually use Parkers but they're updating currently so i can't have a look. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)
Ah, weights and measurements. They're great fun. Americans use a different pint to much of the rest of the world (who use the imperial system), and therefore a different gallon. Their gallon is much smaller than ours, and so their mpg is also smaller. There's a comprehensive list of differences at our comparison article. So, you'll need to make it clear where you write "mpg" that it's imperial... you can do that by writing "mpg-imp" per the alpha-romeo article. As for the driving cycle, I believe Parkers only worries about the combined mpg, rather than giving city and motorway separately. WormTT(talk) 07:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Just for clarity, there's two ways you can do this. Firstly, find and replace every instance of "mpg" with "mpg<sub>-imp</sub>" (that'll look like mpg-imp) The other option is to use the {{convert}} template. You can do this by typing one of the following
{{convert|100|mpgimp}} = 100 miles per imperial gallon (2.8 L/100 km; 83 mpg‑US)
Last one then. There are 2 tables in the article and the bottom one has the right balance in terms of colour. Do you know the name of the colour the header is using so that i can try it in the other table? Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)10:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm, needs to be slightly darker on the engine table. I tried but i could only make it lighter or a sickly green/yellow colour. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)11:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Right now that is what I am trying to get a consensus on, this seems to be a very confusing topic particularly where Swift is concerned that's why I am trying to ask any editor for their input so a consensus can be made so pages do not get vandalized over it or edit wars break out. ^_^ Swifty*talk23:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing some much needed kindness to the project. Keep on keeping on, sweetness. Your work is appreciated. DracoE18:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to reply. And thank you so much for that barnstar. I'm not at my best right now, but I'll probably be back eventually. You and your friends are making them jaded old mommas proud. Please don't ever lose that loving spark! DracoE19:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello
Not sure if this is public! But I wanted to meet some gay Wikipedians. I find your discussion tabs fascinating.
Baltimore, MD here.
Lucrenta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucrenta (talk • contribs) 16:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I have started an article on the concept of binarism and could use help from LGBT and LGBT-interested individuals on the concept.-18:50, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Binarism is prejudice or discrimination against people who do not fit in the gender binary (intersex/genderqueer people) as opposed to those who do.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 18:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey, Jenova! I've seen you around a bit (we both staple WormTT's talk page), and after looking at your most recent thread there about welcoming new editors, I wonder if you've ever considered being a Teahouse host? Dunno how much you know about the Teahouse, but it's a new project designed to provide a friendly, relaxed environment for new users to ask questions and get help with Wikipedia. Being an official host is no big deal, and you can answer questions even if you aren't one. Might warrant a mention on the welcome template at least, but that's up to you, of course. :) Anyway, thanks, and see ya around! Writ Keeper⚇♔13:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Can I just say that I think you'd make an excellent host, and I feel quite guilty that I never thought of it before. Do consider it :) WormTT(talk) 13:43, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The Tearoom assumes a level of understanding and editing that people won't start with, or at least that's my opinion. I'm looking at the editors who quit before even getting to that stage, finding a few interests they have and showing them how to get involved with others sharing those interests. And hopefully teaching them how to edit and spot the difference between vandalism and an unhelpful edit and also what to do to avoid disputes or how to deal with them without retiring on a weekly basis (Sorry Swifty, that's not a dig at you). Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)13:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, I don't know if i'm looking at the right page but I don't see nothin bout most point on the page. I've even done ur 'control and f' thing. I'm still new remember!!! BlueStars83 (talk) 16:07, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh cool, See, I thought it was on the main Wikipedia Takes Coventry page hence why I couldn't find it. Thanks for that. Cool we won something though. BlueStars83 (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I think the time is right. Let's ask WormTT just before we start that and see if there's anything we should work on first. Nice work Insomesia by the way, you did so much good work it's unbelievable ツ Jenova20(email)21:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
There's a lot of 'pending' items that don't seem quite noteworthy yet. I imagine once the floodgates open there will be a lot of additions. Insomesia (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Sure then. I already believe it to be better written than a fair few articles. How do we start this? Or is it copy and paste? Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)10:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
It won't. Dave or some other admin will have to move it (merge it, or whatever). Great work Insomesia on the article! Zac11:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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First thing to pick over is you appear to be focusing on the phone use a bit much whereas Android extends far beyond that. It encourages forking, cyanogenmod, expansion into everything. You can get more than just mobile devices running it remember, explore the other uses: Landlines, stereos, home automation systems, treadmills etc. Focus on these aspects too, the potential for it to grow into everything and not just the endless lists of features it has (which are mostly covered in Android version history).
Focus on the critics of it too, they dismissed this outright 2 years ago and now it has growth of around 200 percent a year!
You're doing nice work Steel, and this article will be massive if you include everything which could be split into separate articles. And you've taken on a big challenge here. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)21:39, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Obvs I'm still not satisfied with a number of issues but the article looks a lot closer now to how I think it should look. i.e. more relevant, interesting text and not as many lists or massive empty tables. The next stage I think is to leave it for a while and see who complains about what on the talk page, and then maybe get some other people involved. I don't really want to do everything myself. – Steel22:19, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Well i doubt you will have to. If you posted on the talk page about what you're doing then maybe you can get some people to throw ideas at you? Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)15:23, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Guidance
Hello Jenova (apologies for not mimicking your coloring), I seek guidance from a more experienced editor who appears to not be involved with the Southern Poverty Law Center. I guess I am in the opening stages of an Edit war with an anonymous IP address user (who knows a lot about Wikipedia Policies). The Anon is at 3RR, 1 natural supporter for my change is at 1 RR and I am at 2 RR and will not Revert directly or indirectly again. I am actively participating in the Talk but the Anon IP made 1 paragraph out of 10.
This is all just background and I wish to keep you neutral for your benefit, I just happen to know you are online now because you answered a question on Sir Lionel's page that came from me regarding edits. I also do not want it to be said that I violated the policy on secretly gaining support.
So the question is, how do I properly involve an Admin or bring an Admin's attention to the 3RR status of the Anon? Do you know the proper way? If not, then please just say so. The SPLC is a hot topic and it's taken me nearly 25 days to make a change to the page itself because others seem to be hounded into submission in my opinion. If you do know a proper way, then let me know here since I'll get an e-mail when you update here. Thanks again, Yendor (talk) 15:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you regardless and I'll remember the e-mail address if I need rapid help again. And though you would not have possibly noticed the look that ran across my face, apologies for assuming an In-Person relation with BlueStars, instead you are his trainer which I wish you (and him) the best of luck. Yendor (talk) 22:17, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
So here's a nice table. For a "bat to be £1 more than a ball" the difference between the two must be £1.
Ball price
Bat price
Difference (Bat price - Ball Price)
Total (Bat Price + Ball Price)
£0.10
£1.00
£0.90
£1.10
£0.10
£1.10
£1
£1.20
£0.00
£1.00
£1
£1.00
£0.05
£1.00
£0.95
£1.05
£0.05
£1.05
£1
£1.10
Now, the first answer is your answer, and your "Total" is right, but the "Difference" is wrong. Correct that, and the "Total" becomes wrong. I hope this makes a little more sense. WormTT(talk) 14:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh crap, i just got it! This is what i was doing:
Original: "A bat and ball cost a dollar and ten cents. The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?"
What i saw:"A bat and ball (combined) cost a dollar and ten cents. The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?"
Ah hang on.. did you read "a bat and a ball cost a dollar and ten cents" to mean "a bat costs a dollar and a ball costs ten cents" - that would be a really easy puzzle :P WormTT(talk) 14:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Technically, that chart is wrong. The difference between the values in the bolded row (£0.05 and £1.05) is actually ~$1.03, not $1.00. </mischief> Writ Keeper⚇♔14:21, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, yeah, I've changed currencies. Sue me. And surely it's about US$1.64... or AUS$1.54 - or have I missed the point WormTT(talk) 14:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
No, you're right, that was the point, I just hardcore-failed at math. As my hairshirt, I'll leave my "corrected" mistake up for all to see. (For the record, I thought I would be a good idea to convert the pounds into pounds as if they started out as dollars, subtract, and then convert back into dollars, instead of just converting the £1 into dollars. I think I need some caffeine or something.) Writ Keeper⚇♔14:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, i put them the wrong way around, i meant:
original: "A bat and ball cost a dollar and ten cents (in total). The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?"
mine: "A bat and ball cost a dollar (for the bat) and ten cents (for the ball). The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. (so logically the ball is 10 cents) How much does the ball cost?"
There's nothing wrong with you, it is universal in physics. Everything tries to reach the desired states by choosing the easiest routes. In this case a mental short cut, it is like a reflex in everyone, especially smart people. --RexRowan忍(Ninja signal) 14:38, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Darn you for having tempting maths problems on your user page!! I will be taking this all the way to Jimmy Wales =P
Hahaha, you went bananas! More questions to come, guaranteed to make you and Jimbo spray blood non stop for three hours! Have a good evening, more tomorrow, resistance is futile! --RexRowan忍(Ninja signal) 14:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if my comments could be read as suggesting it was partly your idea to make the edit in that way. I've been writing the comments as being aimed at Steel, since it's that user's talk page - my saying that Steel seemed to consider it "sufficient for you and your friend to double-check your amendments" wasn't meant to imply that you agreed with this.
Please WP:TROUT me if I'm overreacting to all this, but faking an edit summary in the hope that some editors won't notice the content of the edit is - even with the best of intentions - kind of a big deal, isn't it? --McGeddon (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I agree with not using a minor summary for a non-minor edit as i think most would but i think you should drop it now he's been warned. No one else noticed/cared and i'm sure he's not going to do it again. I think he's doing a brilliant job cleaning the article up and this issue is overshadowing that and possibly likely to deter him from a job no one else clearly wants. So for the greater good now i'm suggesting we drop it and let him get on with it. If he does mark another big edit as minor we'll both have a shout at him =P Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)11:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, was just a bit concerned at the confident cognitive dissonance of "it's been a couple of days now so I assume it's been quietly accepted by everyone" for an action which was deliberately concealed from other editors. It's not great for an editor to believe they have full consensus on their edits only because they've successfully hidden their changes from anyone who might object! --McGeddon (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Well done Jenovasan! I didn't have the answers, I just asked you to see what you think, hehehe. Maybe stick a yard sign on the shore. The second one, it is roughly right because the magnetic pole migrates so it's unstable. I have to Google the third one now, lol!--RexRowan忍(Ninja signal) 15:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Hehehe, yeah, that's what I did, who else has uglier middle name than James Kirk?! Hehehe
D But why the water swirl in a different direction on different hemispheres? I think it's the effect of gravity and earth rotating velocity. Worm, you there? I'm going to Google some more, brb!
It will be a gay paradise and religion, shell suits, track suits, bum bags and Primark wearers/followers will be punished by death. The national anthem is to be Bad Romance by Lady Gaga, who will also become the head of state. Elton John shall be given the title of First Lady. The constitution will be written from the words of Bohemian Rhapsody and ABBA Gold, the Pope shall be denounced as a war criminal. And to top it off the currency will be the Japanese Dong =P
Not without knowing the force, which the equation is missing out. (F=mg and F=ma)
Light doesn't travel as fast through air or a transparent lens so no, you can't see the light from the headlamps while driving. Also the car would disintegrate into atoms and the driver's airbag wouldn't deploy. If it did manage to near the speed of light the force would kill the driver.
Coulomb's law says no as the nucleus has no charge but the proton and electron could and they'd create gamma radiation, which in large doses could possibly create the Incredible Hulk =P
I'm pretty confused myself. The first one, I personally think it's an near earth object in free fall before entering the atmosphere. The second one, let's pretend it's possible to travel at the speed of C in a vacuum, then you can still see your headlights because you headlights goes before your eyes anyway. The third one, I think the electron has high energy and speed which prevents itself from colliding but I think once they collide you are right. We are at a cross road, how about let's harass Worm? If he doesn't know then feel free to ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. :D --RexRowan忍(Ninja signal) 09:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Ok, this is what I found out: the electron one has something to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. We do not know the exact location of the electron as it can appear in any location at a given time within a certain volume range. The electron can stay at certain distance with a certain corresponding potential energy, but it can lower its potential energy by going closer to the nucleus, but when it goes too close, its kinetic energy exceeds it's potential energy which bounce the electron back again. --RexRowan忍(Ninja signal) 10:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Jenova20! I just wanted to let you know that the WikiWomen's Collaborative have launched! You can read all about it on this quick blog that I wrote! Do be sure to participate in the Facebook page and Twitter if you can, and suggest that your friends do as well. If you'd like to be a made an admin on Facebook, just let me know! Also, we've got our own blog channel now, so let's start getting those blogs rolling :) Happy to have you involved - let's do this! SarahStierch (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
And reference 12 is broke because you have used <ref name="Garnets, L. 2003"/> which doesn't link anywhere, so there's no reference tied to that reference name. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)13:20, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Done - I highlighted a section i couldn't manage to rewrite for you. Can you also add mention of the gays being persecuted by the Nazis for balance and WP:WEIGHT too tho? I really feel that deserves a mention in the antisemitism section. You could also do with some information on how common racism and anti-semitism is in the LGBT community. I fortunately have seen very little of either myself or in the media and the only thing i have seen is grindr profiles rarely listing preferences, which include "not into asians, no asians or no blacks, not into blacks".
Sure I can add that the Nazis persecuted gay men. I was going to comment on the Anti-Israeli thing anyway that Israel is the only safe place for the LGBT community in the Middle East. By combining those two things together I'm sure I could easily come up with a paragraph on the hypocricy of LGBT antisemitism.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 20:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Cool, i highlighted a section i need you to make sense of in the article. Regarding User:Jenova20/Homophobia in the media you are free to add what you like to it, just try not to delete anything as i'm trying to save it up for the stage when i can finish the article in one swoop. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)20:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Actually that's a very good one there! I'll add it. This article is still in a state of gathering dust until i have the time to really start on it but that is a big help Rainbow. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)20:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I plan on supporting that with sources. What is the biggest source of homophobia and the biggest objection to gay rights? Religion. If i leave that out of the article then there's no logic as it is the primary motive in a lot of the examples i have. It's not just Christianity though, i just wrote "the Bible" rather than "Religion". Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)16:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Ok here is my reasoning why I think this is not a good idea. Out of 32,000 verses in the Protestant and Catholic bible only 5 mention homosexuality directly at all. Out of that only two speak of it negatively. If you look only at the Jewish Bible this goes down even further. Also please see about the relationship between David and Johnathan and the Book of Ruth both have been percieved at times to be gay love stories. I believe the Bible and other religious texts are often seen as homophobic when they were extremely progressive for their time period although not by todays standards.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
I really think you're off base with the Bible being mentioned there. There are a couple of reasons. The Bible places a very small emphasis on homosexuality. There is also a large difference between thinking homosexuality is wrong/sinful and being homophobic. Homophobia comes from a perception of the Bible, not the Bible itself. If you're dying to include it, you'll need a dozen sources. RyanVesey04:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Well I don't fully agree with that. I think that the way the Bible is used could be on there but not the Bible itself especially since the Bible's view of homosexuality changes from book to book.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
It's not a list of events in the media and offensive medias, it's going to become an article on "Homophobia in the media". Religion is the main cause of this so obviously there would be links to either similar articles or points made linking Religion. Removing these would leave no article. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)08:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Well I would like to make the remarkable claim that the Bible isn't only not homophobic but a pro-gay document. It has very famous Gay characters and is absolutely one of the most importants documents not only in attacking homosexuality but supporting it. Read the parts I told you about.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 10:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
That doesn't in any way change the fact that people use excerpts from it to attack gays Rainbow. It was at one point used to back sexism and slavery because people interpret it how they like. If even the Pope interprets it one way then i'm pretty sure that trumps anyone elses interpretation. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)10:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
And for the earlier argument of 32000 verses, you'll find none mention homosexuality at all, it's interpreted that way is all. It's widely believed Sodom and Gomorrah is a reference to paedophilia, instead of being gay. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)10:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd just like to throw my two bits in.. As someone who is not only a Christian, but is bicurious, I always get very upset when people(especially churches that are supposed to be sooooo great, accepting, and loving) are homophobic. I have left multiple churches for this reason. One of them, I was in a teen Bible Study group, and we were saying that we love everyone that is Christian. I don't remember how, but I brought up the fact that there are religious gay people, yet what the church is saying is that we only love the true Christians. I got cut off in the middle of my sentence and practically screamed at for 15 minutes about how gay people cant be religious, its a sin, we shouldn't love them because of it. Sorry, but I thought we were supposed to love the sinner, not the sin. Anyway, now that I remember why I am replying at all, I'll come back to my point. There are different factions in every religion. Some believe homosexuality is a sin, some don't. Some believe jihad means taking on any intruders, some don't. Some believe in rebirth on different levels, some don't. I would think that, even though the Bible is the most widely cited book for an anti-gay argument, just saying religious sources, or religion, or whatever, would be more unbiased sounding. Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
That's terrible but unfortunately it's how these cults work. You obey the rules or you're out. They ignore the rues which suit them and sit there in mixed fibres, eating meat on fridays judging others. It's an inconvenient truth that you're unlikely to find many churches welcoming of gays and lesbians. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)19:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Very true very true. Sadly God's love isnt our love. They quote the sodom and gomorrah, but dont wanna hear the part where Jesus loved EVERYONE. By the way, I'm very happy for you just looking at your first 5(or so) userboxes. :) wishyou two a happy lifeLibertarian=Truth? (talk) 20:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much! =D
I see you're requesting adoption...while i'm not a proper adopter i am not a bad teacher if you ever need some help or just a question answered. Thanks and enjoy your day/evening ツ Jenova20(email)20:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I am actually adopting, but I would like some help getting my userpage set up something like yours. I think its time for me to actually start learning how to design, not just edit and rollback ^_^ Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 22:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
My old account, [user:DCollins52], was designed by Reaper :D i totally forgot about him LOL. 2 years is a long freakin time. Well, it was very nice talking to you. I have a feeling I'll be running into you more often as I get more active :3 Wish there was a PM type thing because i have a couple non-WP related questions, but oh well.Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 23:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I prefer email as a smartphone user. I can reply wherever and whenever that way...And i don't trust many outlets with passwords and login details etc. Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)15:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Ha, my phone would have failed second grade so I'm completely computer based. FWIW, you don't need a password if you use webchat for IRC and you don't ever register your name. RyanVesey15:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
