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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:NFSHP2 PC.jpg
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I have declined your request to speedy delete Juiced to accomodate your page move. I agree with Mecu that a link to the disambiguation is more appropriate in this instance. If you still disagree, please address on the appropriate talk pages to achieve a consensus, otherwise bring it up at WP:RM. Thanks, Caknuck (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted your most recent edit to Juiced. By now, two admins have advised you that a redirect to the disambiguation page is more appropriate in this circumstance. Again, if you dispute this, you will need to build a consensus favoring your change. Do not change Juiced back until you have made an honest attempt to do so. Caknuck (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
First of all, be civil. Secondly, the guideline relates to disambiguating between video games and their series; it is secondary to the more relevant guidelines/policies WP:DAB, WP:NCON and WP:NC. Let me know if you need any further clairification. Caknuck (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, please explain why Juiced should point to a disambig instead of keeping it the way it was a few days ago, when it worked perfectly fine. Most articles linking to Juiced does so expecting a having linked directly to the article about the video game series. Juiced is the official name of the series, which is more then you can say about some "Juiced ball". --MrStalkertalk16:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
In any case where the name is ambiguous, a DAB page is appropriate. The only reason that there aren't more articles linking to Juiced in reference to Canseco's book is that someone took the time to directly link to the article, which uses the full title of the book. However, the book is commonly known by its short title "Juiced". When dealing with disambiguation pages, "official names" are secondary to plausible search terms.
Okey, I didn't know that official titles are supposed to be secondary to search titles. If that's the case, I guess it's correct. Thanks. --MrStalkertalk17:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:TSFirestormbox.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Cncra-win-cover.jpg
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Dood, DRV is kind of pointless. If you can point out where in mainspace the image can be used, I'll restore and fix it myself. east.718at 07:45, January 28, 2008
Nah, it's not pointless, it got your attention. Does it matter if it's used in mainspace or not? The large image I don't exactly where it was used but the small one I used for my userbox which I liked very much. Isn't that allowed? Ubisoft as granted permission for use of shots of their software for any purpose, so I don't see the problem. --MrStalker(talk)09:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
The big image wasn't used anywhere, and non-free images aren't permitted outside of mainspace. The problem with all of them was that the permission Ubisoft gave extends only to screenshots of in-house developed and published software, not artwork - which that image was. Hence the reason for my deletion: "not a screenshot". "csd i1" was admittedly a pretty crappy summary for the smaller crops, but I guess it applies if you think hard enough about it. :|east.718at 09:54, January 28, 2008
I think you are your own worst problem. And have been across this entire dispute. Do not try to project that fact on others. Kalamrir (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Okey. I'm going to say this one more time. Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn is not the official title of the first Command & Conquer game. --MrStalker(talk)17:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I am compiling a list of six separate verifiable sources, with the specific intention of ending the spread of this kind of misinformation permanently. Also, due to the nature of your responses to the good faith edit of user Pkaulf in the Tiberium (video game) article, and also due to my recent experiences with you, I think it is advisable that you thoroughly read the following and use it as a guideline to improve your mentality as a Wikipedian: Wikipedia: Be welcoming. Kalamrir (talk) 12:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
And I'll do the same. Thank you for your concern, but I don't think Pkaulf qualify as a newcomer with over 800 edits, and you doesn't strike me as one either. Or are you? --MrStalker(talk)12:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Regardless of his status as a newcommer or not, the point remains. Thank you for taking note of it. I hope to see an improvement in your mentality as a Wikipedian soon. Kalamrir (talk) 12:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello MrStalker, and thank you for the links you provided. I have taken note of the information in WP:VAND#NOT, and was made to conclude that the nature of your earlier edits - which I had marked as vandalism - do not appear to be among the list of edit types which are often wrongfully mistaken as cases of vandalism. This appears to suggest that my revert of your earliest edits on the premise of vandalism was in fact correct, and was also supported by Wikipedia guidelines, since they seemed to constitute "repetitively and intentionally unconstructive edits", as defined by WP:VAN. Thank you.
On what do you base the assumption I originally did not assume good faith in your edits? I believe we have both been active as members of the C&C task force for quite a while prior to this dispute, without any incident worthy of note. What do you believe it was that altered this? Kalamrir (talk) 12:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I happend to know that Tiberian Dawn is not an official title, and that Tiberium is not part of Tiberian series, and thus I'll do anything in my power to present this correctly on Wikipedia. I do this in good faith. Honestly, I think you are frustrated because you believe otherwise but doesn't gain any support from other editors. Thus, you become easily acceptable to the assumtion that my edits are of bad faith, which they are not. --MrStalker(talk)12:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this comment is quite emblematic of the origins of this dispute. Numerous forms of source material are readily available for you to consult that prove your assessment false, and secondly, these sources have been added by other editors than myself in the past. Thus, your assertion that I "do not gain support from other editors" is a fallacy. It should also be noted that thus far, only a single editor has made a single edit in your favor, which was a highly misinformed one as well. Since you have consistently and systematically ignored all the source material we have available in order to to press a case of blatant misinformation, I am left with no other option than to conclude that you operate on bad faith, and are intentionally attempting to disrupt the quality of our articles. I will act accordingly. Kalamrir (talk) 12:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
You just proved my point. Those sources confirm only one thing: That Tiberian Dawn is a widely used title the first C&C game. They do not confirm it's the official title. --MrStalker(talk)12:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I do not wish to sound rude, but did you ever consider looking at the talk page of the article you deleted? Because on it, I clearly established both notability and verifiability. --MrStalker(talk)18:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Some of those were links to blogs, or to other sites repeating what Moviehole reported. One site claimed the Hollywood Reporter as a source, but didn't provide a link to the HR article. More to the point, most of these weren't incorporated into the article. --Orange Mike | Talk18:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I can't improve on them now, can I? Besides, what's unreliable with the MTV reports? It's more of a news channel then a traditional blog. --MrStalker(talk)18:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Point is, the article didn't fall under CSD G4 and shouldn't been deleted. After all, another admin unprotected the page for me so I could create the article in the first place. --MrStalker(talk)18:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
No hard feelings here, I hope. There are some people who want to create articles for the seventh season of House ("cuz it's so good, you know it'll last longer than M*A*S*H") and I tend to be pretty hard-nosed about WP:CRYSTAL violations (and about recreations of deleted material). --Orange Mike | Talk22:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Of course not. But this article is being created, deleted, recreated, deleted, recreated, deleted, protected, unprotected, created, deleted, undeleted, deleted, so it's pretty irritating. Even more since I think I have reliable sources and have put some effort into making the article good quality. But, what is life if it ain't sucking. --MrStalker(talk)22:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Spore-logo.png
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Woops, sorry about that. Hadn't been aware that was an issue, I just saw the article needed the template and didn't have it, and whacked it on. I'll be more careful next time!Caissa's DeathAngel (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
That's not a good enough reference. And since you live in England, and Battlefield is developed in Stockholm, I personally don't belive you. --MrStalker(talk)13:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Battlefield Heroes v. 2.0
Hey, if you know for a fact that it's not 3rd person (and I'm not saying it is or isn't, because I don't know), then you need to remove the reference to it being 3rd person in the body of the article. -- JTHolla!17:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
The point is, if it's grounds for being deleted from the spot you deleted it, it needs to be deleted throughout the article. -- JTHolla!19:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
According to wikipedia any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. With the article said to have been" written like an advertisement". Adding a section about the controversy between the games is simply informative and adding items of interest to the article, hence increasing the integrity of the wiki page. The article was obviously written with a biased view of advertising the game and gameplay. Taking out a portion of an article for being informative, even if the information might be negative towards the subject, is as if you went to a page about Eliot Spitzer and saw nothing about his recent scandal. Therefore my addition to the article is in "good-faith" as an attempt to make the article well informed and complete. However, I am giving you a warning that the deletion of my addition is a "deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia" , otherwise known as vandalism and have been reverted. Wiki articles are not supposed to suppress the information on its subject, they are supposed to be informatively enlightening even if it may sound negative to the subject(Don't make it sound like a game ad!). I can understand thinking that an opposing view of a subject is bad, but to say that VERY TRUE facts about something is vandalism is misinformed. Do not delete wiki parts because you have a personal belief against them, delete the ones that are not informative. Thankyou for the time to clear up this misunderstanding, have a good day.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TF2isgreaterthanBFH (talk • contribs) 12:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Your contribution clearly violates WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. You re-adding the material after it has been removed per these guidelines, clearly constitutes vandalism. Please stop or you will be blocked. --MrStalker(talk)20:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion the material was very much relevant to improve the article. Also, follow the spirit of the rule, not the letter of it. There are much on variuos talk pages not directly relevant to improve the respective article. --MrStalker(talk)14:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm of the school of thought that spreading knowledge on how to cheat is generally A Bad Thing™ . Teaching people to glitch is way too game-guidey for WP. But whatever. xenocidic (talk) 14:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
MrStalker, Xenocidic's removal was clearly within policy. Please don't give people warnings for things that benefit the encyclopedia. Perhaps you should read WP:TALK, WP:NOT and WP:FORUM before issuing further warnings for talk page refactoring, a process that is both acceptable and somewhat common on video game articles. ⇒SWATJesterSon of the Defender19:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
My interpretation of policy is that comments relating to the improvement of the article should not be removed. Clearly there is difference in opinion. You may interpret policy like you want but honestly don't care. --MrStalker(talk)22:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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Empty categories
Got your message. I see your point. There was a backlog and we had to delete a lot of stuff. These empty categories were included in the sweep, maybe mistakenly. If you want, they can be undeleted. Please let me know. Cheers! -- Alexf4217:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
C&C template
How is the mere adding of the six factions of the Red Alert & Generals games, the developers and publishers, omitted expansion packs and the re-ordering of titles according to release date in any way whatsoever related to speculation, or in any way unrelated to Command & Conquer?
Please do not blatantly revert large edits without making any distinction between controversial edits and simple additions. It is arrogant, dismissive and unconstructive, and only invites disputes and editing wars. Discuss this issue on the template's talk page with myself and other editors, before reverting the "main series" and "spin-off titles" sections. All the other additions I've made to the template have no reason to be disputed by anyone. 84.196.74.217 (talk) 13:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
First of all, there is no articles about the factions you added, therefor there shouldn't be any such entries in the template. The links you added links to their real-world correlate, which has nothing to do with the C&C franchise. And, for example, calling Red Alert 3 a spin-off is purely speculative.
I'd like a link to a Wikipedia policy article that clearly states that linking to real-world correlates is undesired in a video game franchise template. Secondly, this reason you have cited does not relate to all of the new factions I have added, and as such you still have not provided any explanations as to why you reverted those as well. Additionally your response is still in no way explaining why you have also repeatedly reverted such additions as the publishers and developers of the C&C franchise to the template.
Red Alert 3 was described as a spin-off game in the official Command & Conquer website's featured news story section, on February 14th of this year. This news story was entitled "Red Alert 3 Announcement Video & Screens!", and can be consulted at the aforementioned website at any time. If you are lacking in such up-to-date knowledge, you may not be the best choice to take a prominent position in this debate, and should leave this to other editors who are more knowledge of recent developments in the franchise.
There is no specific policy for navboxes, but it is common practice and a consensus to include articles related to the subject. United States, China, Allies and the Soviet Union are not related to C&C, and GLA haven't got any article. Where can I read RA2 is a spin-off then? And Generals? And please don't accuse me of uncivilty, as it's considered uncivil on your part. --MrStalker(talk)14:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
If there is no specific policy stating real-life correlates are undesirable in a video game template, then there exists no reason to revert the additions. The definition of "spin-off" according to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spin-off:
" 3. something that is imitative or derivative of an earlier work, product, or establishment "
Since there is no source I am aware of which explicitely states that Red Alert 2 and Generals are canonical parts of the main story arc of the C&C franchise, there according to the above definition of the term exists no reason as to why they should not be designated as spin-offs. If you do have sources in which Generals is mentioned as for example happening in between the first C&C game and Tiberian Sun, or in which Red Alert 2 is explicitely mentioned as taking place in between the first Red Alert and the first Command & Conquer, then please provide them. 84.196.74.217 (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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Some congratulations are due.
I've been taking a look at various other templates, notably those of other major video game franchises such as that of Zelda, Metal Gear and Half-Life. The C&C template is simply miles ahead of any of them in terms of style and informative quality.
That's in part due to your contributions and constructive feedback, so I thought I'd just come out and say this up front. We've had bumpy rides in the past, but the C&C articles are definitely improving because of it. So, it's all good.
Thanks, and congrats to you as well. After reviewing our past discussions I must confess I feel they were at times rather lame and about trivial things. I have discovered that mostly we agree in large parts, and then these huge disputes have grown up from a minor disagreement. The only explaination I have is that both of us might fit the description of fanatics. At times there were some uncivilty on my part, and I apologize for that. My only defence is that at times I've feelt a bit stressed out, and I hope we can put our differences behind us. Recently I have come to realize that it sometimes is better to just ignore minor issues. I also must say you have made see things from an different angle, large bacause of your overwhelming masses of text which I really don't have the strength to dispute. That and the fact that the current revision only differs slightly from my original one. Funny thing, I hardly know what we were nagging about. :P That said, I think there are some issues left to discuss, which is the biggest reason for my dispute with the anon user, that I will bring up on the proper talk page in due time. Right now, I will call it quits for the night. As said, it's all good. --MrStalker(talk)21:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Perhaps something of an unfair advantage I have on Wiki -- I have an extensive background in touch typing, so I pour out these large slabs of text in no time. At any rate, it was definitely time that I gave you these credits and thanks, because you were the one who launched the idea of grouping the games according to universe, rather than "series", which indeed was always dodgy given what the sources were saying. This idea really worked out, to be honest.
Be sure to raise the issues you've talked about. Given the progress that we've already made, there is no doubt in my mind that the C&C template will become something editors of other franchises will come look at for inspiration in the near future. I was pretty surprised just how much better ours was starting to become compared to everyone else's. Kalamrir (talk) 22:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to intrude here, I just thought here was as good a place as any to congratulate both of you for your fine work on the template! Well done, it really is miles ahead of pretty much any template I've seen on here.Caissa's DeathAngel (talk) 04:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
There's no need to be sorry. Thank you for your nice comments. I'm pleased how this worked out and I belive this good spirit can continue to exist into the future. Again, thanks. --MrStalker(talk)10:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
No doubt you meant "nice" when you wrote "nive" (not to be confused with "naive"). And agreed, the template is shiny. xenocidic (talk) 12:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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As there aren't many links in the template, the possibility of one or more of the {{·}}s colliding with the template's righthand side is virtually nil unless it's being viewed in a (very) small window. As a template carries more links, however, the possibility rises; hence the {{nowrap begin}}--{{·w}}--{{nowrap end}} solution outlined in Wikipedia:Line break handling. At least, that's my understanding. Sardanaphalus (talk) 15:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The css-class nowraplinks and {{·}} works perfectly in most cases, {{nowrap begin}}--{{·w}}--{{nowrap end}} is only necessary in rare exceptions. --MrStalker(talk)16:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Ahh yes, I forgot about a discussion I was involved with in the "Template:Systems science (and maybe elsewhere)" thread here. (In short, it looks like a current Firefox bug.) Thanks to your comments for prompting my memory. Sardanaphalus (talk) 03:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The lead is one of the most important parts of any Wikipedia article; its job to summarize the article in 2 to 3 paragraphs in order to familiarize the reader with the structure of the content that you will providing them as well as to give a quick one-minute overview of the topic. Many articles that are processed through Good Article or Featured Article assessments will be heavily scrutinized for a poor lead section.
For articles dealing with video games, a common practice has developed for leads, being a 3-paragraph discussion.
First paragraph
The first paragraph should state the name of the game (using both bold (to identify the article's name) and italics as per the manual of style), along with any other alternate names the game may go by. The genre of the game should be clearly identified as well as the developer and the publisher. If a notable person has been cited by the game as having worked on the game's development (such as Tim Schafer or David Jaffe), this should also be noted. Release dates should be given, along with the release of any ports, remakes, or sequels.
Second paragraph
The second paragraph should summarize the plot briefly in one or two sentences; a high level overview is only needed to set the stage for further discussion. One or two sentences should be included to discuss the gameplay, including any notable features of the game.
Third paragraph
The third paragraph should cover the reception of the game, citing its general critical reaction and any significantly notable successful or failing elements in the game. If the game has won awards, this aspect can be noted, but specific mention of any award is discouraged.
This approach should help you to write a good lead for nearly any game, though this may need to be altered for other games. If there's not a lot of reception information for a game, it may be worthwhile to combine the listed first and third paragraphs into one paragraph. There may be need to talk more about an aspect not normally covered in video game articles (such as with E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Atari 2600)) which should be noted in the lead.
Actually, they are not the same game. This article is about the Arcade Version. The home versions (except for the Japanese one) are completely different from the arcade version, and only contain some songs from the arcade version, plus other stuff. ViperSnake15101:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Don't forget to cleanup the links that went to the old Fast and Furious. Usually the page move would create a redirect, and it did here, but once you took that out you left some broken links behind. Thanks! --AndrewHowse (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently, you deleted Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds from Template: Age of Empires series (rather vehemently it seems, considering your edit summary). I don't think you were aware that this game and its expansion pack used the Age of Empires II engine. It's pretty obvious if you play the game that it came from that. There's been some debate as to whether or not it should be included in the template (personally, I'm part of the crowd that thinks it should and I added it there some time ago). Anyway, I wanted to let you know as to why the game was on the template in the first place. Thunderforge (talk) 02:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)EDIT: Just realized you already knew this and wrote about it on the talk page. My bad.
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Rayman Raving Rabbids 3
So I have a reason for it to be a redirect, you have nothing to say about the subject besides that there was a video, and your only response is "take it to afd"? AfD isn't for this. Why should it be an article? Existing doesn't make it deserving. - A Link to the Past(talk)22:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The Gameplay section is a crucial component of a good video game article. Although it may be relatively easy for an experienced gamer to write such a section, care must be taken to maintain an appropriate focus and balance. The section should be written for readers with little or no knowledge of video gaming and should not be filled with detailed information about weapons, levels, or other such topics that are only of interest to the video gamer or that might be found in a game guide. Your goal for crafting a good section is to have people who have never picked up the game understand the basic mechanics. Do note, however, that it's safe to assume the reader has at least a minor knowledge of what a video game is.
This section often begins the body text after the lead, but is sometimes placed after the Plot section. Games with little or no story can cover the plot in the Gameplay section. When writing about a game, use your head and common sense about the ordering. Generally, start off with a broad stroke—is the game a RTS or an FPS, etc. Don't talk about why the gameplay is like it is; generally, that is better placed in the 'Development' section later on in the article.
Images can be added to better illustrate some aspects of gameplay. Generally, a single screenshot will suffice. Because of screenshots are non-free content, usage should be minimalised. Multiple images can be used, but all images should add something to the article beyond what the prose states. All non-free images require a fair use rationale to be used on Wikipedia.
Things to remember
Don't add in cruft about weapons, levels, and minute details of trivia; gameplay sections should serve as a primer to the game, not an exhaustive list of every facet of the game.
Don't use gaming jargon which can be confusing to readers, such as "NPC" or "MMORPG". If you use these terms, state the full name and the abbreviation the first time it appears. For example, "Halo is a first-person shooter, or FPS."
Wikilink! So you don't have to describe what a god game is, link it.
Talk about what makes the game different from others; if you only talk about why StarCraft is a real-time strategy game, then readers could just visit the article about the game genre and be better served.
Other than the CFD notice, all that was on the page was-
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Thank you so much for the barnstar! *pins it to chest* And thank you also for uploading better versions of the pics. I once knew what it meant to get it down to low res as I had done so before, but have since forgotten and can't find the original instructions. Something to do with the 72dpi? How did you reduce the file size? Was it the save for internet feature? Ah, teach me! (I have Photoshop 7). As for the HD video, it still looks blurry to me, oddly. In any case, I've watched that video way too many times already... clicketyclickyaketyyak19:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, the image with Faith I captured with PrntScrn in Windows Media Player (with overlay disabled) from HD source found at GameTrailers and pasted into Photoshop CS2, I then used a reduze noise filter and resized to 640 px wide using the bicupic sharper setting, and then saved with the "save for web"-feature in jpeg with "very high" quality setting. The other two I copied directly from the website by looking at the source code and finding the images' urls. The HD video is HD, but it isn't exactly Bluray-quality. --MrStalker(talk)20:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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Future of Task Forces (part two: Atari)
(a message I left on WPVG talk page)
In archive 41, we talked about sending video game series task forces into whole Publisher task forces. Example: Devil May Cry to Capcom. I would like to request that the actual creators of the task forces would meet here to discuss the issue I talk of in Archive 41.GearsOf War01:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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Development content is very important to include in an encyclopedic video game article. It provides a history of how the game came to be and provides real world information needed for an article to claim comprehensiveness. However, writing this section can be difficult because the amount and type of information available will vary for each game. One of the best sources for such information is a developer interview. These can provide insight into the thought process of the designers and give examples of influences and obstacles encountered. Previews can also be helpful by giving a snap shot of the game before it was released and may mention development issues that were still being addressed.
When writing about development, common sense should be used to organize content to maintain a sense of flow for the reader. Most times, it is best to give the information in a somewhat chronological order—though information can also be grouped by topics like audio, promotion, graphics, etc. If one such topic gets large enough, it can be split off into its own subsection or regular section. For example, Kingdom Hearts#Audio is a separate section from the rest of the development information because it focuses on the game's musical score and voice acting. Portal (video game)#Soundtrack, however, does not have as much content and is a subsection of the main development section.
What to include about development
Who are the developers? Which company or studio developed the game, and are there any prominent designers involved?
When did development begin?
When and where was the game first announced? (e.g. Tokyo Game Show, E3 Media and Business Summit, etc.)
What influenced the game's story, characters, music, and/or gameplay ? (e.g. past games, movies, books, etc.)
Were there any delays?
Was anything excluded because of time or technological constraints? (e.g. extra levels, game modes, characters, story arcs, etc.)
Things to remember
Avoid proseline. Though maintaining a sense to chronology is important, this section should not read like an ordered list of events.
Images in this section should be relevant to the information given and should add on to it.
Source everything to avoid information being tagged as original research.
I'll look into it. Thanks for notifying me. Your vigilance is commendable. :) -- Catchi? 11:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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Attacks in the article Need for Speed
Lighten up dude. You make it sound like I commited a serious act of vandalism on the page. Consider the offense before sending such a text to someone. -- Lyverbe (talk) 16:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Personal attacks against another editor or anyone else are never tolerated, no matter how small. Remember that. --MrStalker(talk)17:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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In many video game articles, the Reception section is the last main section of prose. As its name suggests, within the section you should summarize the critical reaction to the game. The section should provide a high-level overview of what the critics liked and didn’t like about the game; it is a summary, not a repetition of what publications thought. Therefore, don’t put in excessive, long winded quotes or have a paragraph detailing IGN’s thoughts on the game. To prevent cluttering of the prose with scores, reviews table such as {{VG Reviews}} can be used to organize this kind of information.
A good way to lead off the section is a by-the-numbers or at a glance snapshot of the game’s reception; you can use aggregate scores to suggest an overall critical response to the game, and can provide sales figures (if you have them) for the game’s release. Commonly, the rest of the reception is broken into positive and negative paragraphs. Entirely separate ‘Praise’ and ‘Controversy’ or ‘Negative comments’ or the like are strongly discouraged as troll magnets. If the game has won any awards, then listing them at the bottom of the reception section is an option.
Other things to remember:
Don’t list every single review in the reviews table; likewise, don’t mention every award the game has ever gotten.
Generally, talk about what the reviewers say rather than speaking for them; for example, “Reviewer X of Publication Y took issue with elements of the game such as X, Y, and Z” instead of “Review X said that “I took issue with elements of the game such as X, Y, and Z.” If a reviewer has a good comment which sums up the positive/negative/overall reaction, or a particular sentiment common in many reviews, it might be more appropriate to use.
If adding sales data, make sure to provide context; did it sell those 4.2 million units within three months of release or three years? If possible, break down the sales by region; did the Japanese like the game, but Americans not buy it?
Use reviews whose scores are outliers from the average ratings to find key points that were liked or disliked about a game. If all reviews except for one average around a 9 out of 10, and the one is a 7 out of 10, there is probably some clear negative points to be found in it; the same works with very positive reviews.
Perhaps most importantly, give proper weight and keep a neutral point of view. If the game received mostly negative scores, having three paragraphs on positive aspects and glossing over the bad parts in a sentence or two conveys the wrong impression to readers.
Seems there is a new template dispute going on. Since you're the person who originally proposed many of these changes to the template, I thought you might want to have your say.
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