User talk:Jake Wartenberg/Archive 4
Clarify?The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. I wanted to clarify with you (as is advised), whether you are willing to use the default process for recall, or whether you may have specific criteria already outlined that I'm not seeing? user:J aka justen (talk) 05:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Admin recall, really? Hell in a hand basket. That's where this place is going. Lara 17:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC) All due respect J, this is why I don't allow non-admins to vote for my recall (and why I also require a week-long wait before initiating a request). Take a step back and try to see the bigger picture, please. At the moment, it would appear you've lost all sense of perspective. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The suggestion that Jake could be recalled over this (a suggestion implied if not overtly made, perhaps because its unlikely in the extreme) serves no other purpose than to be inflammatory. We don't recall administrators over a single ill-advised action, particularly when they admit their errors and undertake not to repeat them. Allow Jake (who is a relatively new administrator) to learn from his mistakes, like we all do. Nathan T 22:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Calling a recall over a single bad close, even an egregiously bad close seems to be really pushing it. I disagree strongly with Jake's close but am fully confident in Jake's ability to continue as an admin. I have full faith in his ability to use the tools appropriately. Recalling over this is a really bad idea. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
This is no single action. Everyone can make a mistake, but nobody is fit to be an administrator who would make a bad faith change in a disputed policy--it's that, rather than the close, that we should focus one: actually single handedly changing an important and much disputed policy to a version that had been rejected by the community, hiding it with a deceptive edit summary, and then immediately using it to close an AfD in a way that supported his previous opinion. This may be a one time occurrence. But nobody who had done such a thing even once ever would be confirmed as an administrator. That you did it makes it difficult for us to trust you again. You are now quibbling over the details of what procedure to use. If you were honest about the use of recall, you would facilitate a vote, not try to evade it. I think you are making a bad situation worse. There may perhaps be some explanation adequate to this, but i have yet to hear it. I could imagine many, but none of them quite explain this. I hope you will think better about this tomorrow, and make recall unnecessary; there is only one honourable course at this point. Lara knows what it is, & since she was honourable , she followed it herself. DGG ( talk ) 03:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
← (Mostly in response to User:Bigtimepeace.) I don't care about "the right now." I care about the issues that remain to be addressed here. You're saying yourself that the process he selected earlier for this situation is more restrictive than yours, but it is, in fact, much more restrictive than the default process, and I don't think there's anything inaccurate about saying the effect (if not the intent) was to wall him off from the majority of this community. I'm well aware that recall is a voluntary process (as people keep pointing out here for whatever reason), but proclaiming your support for the process during your RfA but then imposing significant new hurdles when a recall petition becomes a reality is an issue. user:J aka justen (talk) 05:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Justen, may I humbly suggest that WP:RFC/U is that way. Otherwise, stop flogging the dead horse. It's getting tiresome. Jake's made some mistakes and he's admitted them. He's a two month old rookie admin that's still learning the ropes and he should be given the opportunity to learn from it. If you want to continue grinding your axe, I'd suggest that there are other ways to go about it instead of arguing here every five minutes. Many thanks, Gazimoff 08:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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As an alternative to self-flagellation or a hair shirt, I have sentenced Jake Wartenberg to penance of hard labor restoring the scapegoat above for featured picture candidacy. Yes, it's encyclopedic...believe it or not... Let's get back to editing. David Shankbone's biography really isn't worth the fuss. Durova349 04:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC) QuestionHow do I suggest that someone creates a page about a subject that I think should be covered by Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karriem14 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC) Edit War (Super Hero Squad)Hello, You recently reviewed an edit war on a toy page. See [[1]] It appears the war is still going on, and now it's getting heated. I checked out the forum that's being deleted, and one of their mods is suggesting that the link is continuously removed in some evil plan and that XLinkBot is being manipulated into deleting a harmless forum. The IPs aren't participating in the discussion, just getting angry that their forum link gets removed. Can you offer any further insight or help? It's just ridiculously that there's this fight over a message board for toddler toys. Tomson elite (talk) 14:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC) MC10Hey there. Could you explain your reasoning behind your unblocking of MC10 (talk · contribs), please? — Coren (talk) 17:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Is it worth lobbying a Wiki Administrator?... or are your decisions guided by factual evidence? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.99.30 (talk) 22:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
When you step in to close down an ‘edit war’ over an article to what extent is the decision influenced by lobbying from one side rather than a close examination of the edit history which, let’s be honest, can be extremely boring? I'm talking about Earth Song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.99.30 (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Got that. Thanks for the response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.99.30 (talk) 19:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC) GANDid you have a chance to finish Talk:Fears in Solitude/GA1? Ottava Rima (talk) 23:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I notice that you added some questions to this page. You might have missed the instruction stating that users are limited to asking a single question. In consideration of this, and of the huge burden on candidates to answer questions, please consider removing all but one question from your submission. Stifle (talk) 10:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
IP Ban for 99.144.252.126Dear Mr. Wartenberg: I recently found out that someone nearby me has an IP in my IP's range. 99.144.252.126, is mine. I live in Schaumburg, IL (may be seen as some other place) and I am not the person who interfered with the Roman Polanski article (althought I am Polish, Alexander Aleszczyk) and I am sometimes looking through WP and see something and want to edit without logging in (it's a drag to log in for me). The IP 99.144.252.126 should not be banned on WP for the next 3 months. Please remove the ban for that IP. That is all. Sincerely, Alexander Aleszczyk Founder of Team Rex www.teamrex.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexpja (talk • contribs) 17:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
You're invited!
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, review the recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, plan for the next stages of projects like Wikipedia at the Library and Wikipedia Loves Landmarks, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects, for example particular problems posed by Wikipedia articles about racist and anti-semitic people and movements (see the September meeting's minutes). In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and generally enjoy ourselves and kick back. You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list. Please, I am seeking the process instructions to re-open the investigation cited in the section title. I'm not finding the instructions on how to do this. I asked the other admin involved in the SPI, but haven't received a reply. The suspected sock has started in on personal attacks now as justification for putting the entry in the article. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction for re-opening the investigation. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 14:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
CJHi - I like the centijimbo template (although I'm not a userbox guy myself). However as I was looking through it I noticed that there seems to be a cached version of the centijimbo page which shows using popups when hovering over the word "tool" in the centijimbo bluelink which includes the old (broken) link to the toolserver as if it were a wikipedia article (link here) rather than than the toolserver link which correctly shows when you are actually viewing the article (correct link). I've taken the opportunity to update the jimbo denominator, and hoped that would purge the cache - but no change. Actually, not sure if it's a cache issue or a weakness in the popups script not being able to correctly parse the "tools:" namespace link... Any thoughts? 7 01:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Deletion review for Thomas RicciardiAn editor has asked for a deletion review of Thomas Ricciardi. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Ted87 (talk) 02:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Not even bothering to respond?Stifle and I have both posted queries above about your questions to arbitration candidates. Tony (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Editix xml editorHi, as you were the closing admin for WP:Articles for deletion/Editix xml editor on 29 August 2009, I'm bringing to you some concerns that have emerged in the last few days as you may be able resolve the problem without a deletion review. The result of the closure was "redirect to List of XML editors". The redirect was reverted yesterday by an IP, but I've undone that so that the redirect stands. However the IP is now involved in an edit war at List of XML editors, trying to insert "Editix xml editor" as an item on the list, but being reverted on notability grounds. The comment on the talk page is: "In the meantime, as long as the article remains deleted, I'll keep removing the links." The problem is that the criterion for inclusion in a stand-alone list article is this:
- from WP:LSC. So you can't have an entry in the list for "Editix xml editor" since it is not notable enough for its own article and there can be no expectation of an article in the future (because of the AfD). That means we now have a redirect for an item that can't exist in the (list) article that it redirects to! I have some sympathy for the IP editor who must feel they are in a catch-22: the AfD said make a redirect, but it can't be mentioned in the list it's redirected to, because it was redirected, not kept. I'm not sure I've explained all this clearly enough, but I'd ask you to reconsider the result of the AfD closure and decide on a delete or a keep, as redirection to a list just causes the problems above. I have "no dog in this race", but I do feel the present situation is unsatisfactory and some action is needed to cut short the edit-warring. --RexxS (talk) 02:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
This is not normal and redirection is added and the article is deleted. I have added references on it (except for Laurent that don't see any references) at the bottom. editix xml editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.88.99.20 (talk) 11:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Please semi protect an articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroko_Mima Please semi protect this article as it is being edited to reflect a situation which is untrue re: sex tapes. Thank you, if more information is needed kindly email me at ianimsroyer.com. Ian M.S. Royer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian M.S. Royer (talk • contribs) 17:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Link for protectionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyatt_gallery —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian M.S. Royer (talk • contribs) 19:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your helpIts much appriciated :) Any chance of a crash course in wiki writing? --Ian M.S. Royer (talk) 21:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshopAs you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome. UsernamePer concerns you raised here [2], the question about the username has been raised here [3].radek (talk) 06:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC) stop chaging my edit penwortham is in preston —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.246.183 (talk) 15:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Multiple accounts abuseGreetings Jake, i noticed that on the 16th of August you blocked a user called Laantada[4] for having multiple socks like Runta[5] and Hotissue[6], he was then unblocked by another admin because he believed these accounts with the same edits could belong to seperate individuals editing from the same computer, which in my opinion doesn't sound convincing at all. It has come to my attention that a new account by the name of Southie4life - with the exact same edits on the exact same articles - is pushing Laantada's POV: This is clearly a case of "If it looks like a duck..." I would like to hear your opinion on this because it's highly unlikely these 4 accounts with the same style of writing that focus on the same 'two articles' are 4 different 'individuals' and not a single person with multiple accounts--Scoobycentric (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Alright i will do that then, thank you for your advice!--Scoobycentric (talk) 17:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC) CSD farming berbersHi Jake, you just declined my request for speedy deletion of the article farming berbers. User:SOPHIAN created the article. However the user is known for making nonsensical edits all over wikipedia and that is what resulted in his indefinite block. A list of some his nonsensical edits can be found here. I will have to go for an AFD, but it would require many users to expend considerable energy, and time( 1 week) for the AFD process, for which the outcome is fairly predictable. Wapondaponda (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Isofox speedy deletionAh yes, when I first read it, it appeared to just be promoting the feed, but after reading it again I see that is not true. Is there a way to reply to messages posted on my talk page without starting a new one on your page? Isofox (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC) the kurt thingG'day all (copied to Durova, Jake 'n Coffee :-) - I wondered if you chaps would mind taking a look at the RfC and seeing if you think withdrawing it would be a good idea at this point? Seems to me like that's the way the wind blows, and I also had a question about the certification bit - I don't really know how that works, but right now only Durova has certified as 'trying and failing', right? - I think there are supposed to be two for the RfC to continue? (don't bash me with a policy stick if this is wrong - I'm rubbish at this side of the wiki). Either ways, I can see where it was coming from, but I don't think, at this stage, it's a good idea for the RfC to continue - so I thought you might like to take a look... Privatemusings (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC) Audio chats for arbcom A conversation with Jehochman as you can see from the right, I'm out of the gate on this one! hooray :-) - that means it's your cue to somehow approach one (or more!) of the ever growing lists of candidates, and start trying to line something up! - after I uploaded the file to commons, I used the existing wiki voices template to make a page at wikipedia:wikivoices/arb09/jhoch - so you could just change the candidate name to fit with that model - I (think) I then 'transcluded' it onto the candidate statements page (like I did here too) - see here for the finished thing. It's been my experience that these things take up to (or more than) a week to line up and get done, so I reckon it could be a good idea to line something up whilst you're grappling with any further technical gremlins, or getting to know how it works technically etc. I can do my best to answer any questions you might have, but have found bumbling through with a problem-solving hat on generally gets the job done (have a listen to the file on the right for a model of question / answer / chat which, whilst definitely improvable, sort of works....) I'm copying this message to both Dan, and Jake, who have signed up to help, though spread the word, and any lurkers should feel free to head over to WP:Wikivoices if they're interested in getting on board. cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 07:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
New Page NeededHow does one contact Wikipedia and suggest that a new page is needed? In this case specifically about a group of producers named the Phantom Boyz who are mentioned in a few articles in Wikipedia but there is not article about them.
New MyPaint page?Hi, I noted that the earlier MyPaint page is deleted (for notably promoting FOSS?), would you mind if I started an article on the subject? (I'm new here so I though it was best to ask). Seems like the French page is currently the only other article about the painting program, and I'd like to make an English one. If the discussing of the page should be done somewhere else, please excuse this post. Thanks. ArTorP (talk) 09:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
tbHello, Jake Wartenberg. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:Help desk#Edit to header. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. SpitfireTally-ho! 11:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your work at SPI!
iglooHi Jake Wartenberg, and thanks for your interest in igloo. Before using the program, please read the following information carefully - failure to do so may result in your test access being revoked. igloo is a JavaScript-powered, browser-based anti-vandalism tool, which means you do not have to download or install anything on your computer and it will work on multiple operating systems. However, it does mean that the performance relies on that of your browser and it may operate more slowly than downloaded programs. You must have either Mozilla Firefox 3+ or Google Chrome to use igloo, as it is currently incompatible with other browsers. igloo relies on a system called iglooNet to assist you in finding and reverting vandalism. It is this system that transforms the program from a pretty version of recent changes to an actual anti-vandalism tool. Naturally, this is beyond the power of a client-side program, and igloo will regularly communicate with an external, non-Wikimedia server. Because of things like server logs, and the iglooNet abuse tracker, this may allow your IP address to be attached to your username - something which is otherwise impossible on Wikipedia. If you do not want this to happen, you MUST NOT USE IGLOO. If you decide that you do want to test igloo, please keep in mind that it not wholly stable, and you may experience problems where it performs an invalid edit, or other unwanted action. If this happens, fix any mistakes you've made, apologise to anyone you've offended, and let me know. I don't take any responsibility for your use of the program - if you aren't willing to fix any errors, don't use it. igloo is already quite powerful. The following is a simple guide to using the program:
If you have any questions, comments, suggestions or other feedback, I'd love to know. If you hate it, and won't be using it again, please let me know why - and I'll remove you from the test whitelist. If you now try and use igloo, you should find that it will allow you to use the program. Thanks, and good luck! Ale_Jrbtalk 19:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC) RequestHello Jake Wartenberg, I believe that this is the first time that I have had the pleasure of inter-acting with you. Mercy11 is confused as to your actions logged here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/rights where you changed his/her rights from (none) to Autoreviewers. This was the message on my talk page User talk:Marine 69-71#One request One request. Since it was your call, I am requesting that you please get in touch with the User and answer any question which the user may have. Thank you and take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thierry HenryKevinharte:I'd say your sick of hearing about this.But in the article about Thierry henry and the handball incident,can I add the fact that time magazine has nominated him as the biggest cheat in the history of sport? They're a pretty reliable source. --Kevinharte (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Trolling on today's FAHi, I noticed that there were some issues with trolling on today's Featured Article (Werner Mölders) so I whipped up edit filter 266 to help prevent such edits. I figured you might appreciate the knowledge. :) Cheers, {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 04:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
please protectplease protect Werner Mölders there is an inbound /b/ attack inbound andyzweb (talk) 05:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
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Block of 82.18.186.151Hi Jake, I was looking at the AIV report for 82.18.186.151, and I couldn't find any edits that were vandalism. Some were edits that I would have reverted for being sensationalist, but none of them seemed to be deliberate vandalism. Could you have another look, and indicate which of the edits you thought were vandalism? Thanks! PhilKnight (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Cathar11 irregular activityAfter a series of "editions" performed by the alleged "editor" named cathar11 I have detected not only slander, libel and felony attempts but a pattern on this person behavior. If somebody has an specific ideology that is fine but using wikipedia as a vehicle for tainting, smearing or attacking pople and institutions because I support a certain political agenda is not under wikipedia principles. Check HRF article, Eduardo rozsa article, Evo morales article, Martin dwyer article and a number of others. POV cannot be disguised and reputable sources should be respected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paratrooper73 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Cathar11 is not only engaged in distorting wikipedia content, check his comments and slander in http://www.politics.ie/foreign-affairs regarding this same topics (And I have more evidence), I'm a single topic editor? no, but Cathar11 is a single sided felon. He has performed not only POV but libel and slander and has failed to complain with wikipedia policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paratrooper73 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Thanks!Thanks for temporarily protecting my talk page! & I like your restoration work! Nice Job, keep it up! NoFlyingCars (talk) 05:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
ACE questionsHey there, about your ArbCom questions, I was wondering if you had a link to the statements by MZM and Iridescent about their involvement in the Law/undertow thing. I can't seem to locate them, and would like to read through them so I can answer your question in more detail. Thanks. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:36, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Julia Goss DYK hookI've restored that hook at T:TDYK, which you pulled from the queue, and invite you to comment at T:TDYK. The original hook of that nom is perfectly legitimate. The dark-humor version you pulled out is borderline but catchy, and a discussion might arise on that. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
fixed term?You commented on ANI. One problem with indef blocking is that if the person comes to their senses and edits productively, they can be blocked on sight for block evasion. Isn't it better to block for a fixed term? Or exempt block evasion for indef blocked users after 90 days? I am not trying to empty out the jails but I do believe in supporting our rules and find it hard to support a defacto lifetime ban. I don't have a problem with indef of Wikiwoman (Barnard College) but shouldn't we allow account creation after several months? I don't think we should wink and say "if you change, you can sneak and come back later". Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we could just rename the block from "indefinite" to "for the near future"? Or put a provision somewhere (WP:BLOCK ?) where users can recreate accounts after 90 days if, and only if, the new account edits constructively and improves Wikipedia. I've seen the unblock request board and most requests are denied, sometimes with rude or snappy comments. I prefer courtesy in life. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Green Pine DYKThanks! Flayer (talk) 09:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
blocked userHi Jake. A few days ago you blocked Lisch1314 (User talk:Lisch1314).. it looks like he/she tried to do the unblock template (but wrong).. thought you might be wanna check it out. Tom A8UDI 20:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
FPC closing processHello, Jake Wartenberg. You have new messages at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_picture_candidates#Use DynamicPageList to streamline closing process. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. --Caspian blue 02:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC) Hi Jake, I found some references for the article you just placed in the incubator. I reckon it ought to be enough to pass WP:N, and if not, I'm afraid that this is pretty much all I could find with Google. Also, I didn't even know we had an incubator and don't know what to do next: apparently changing the status to "eval" puts it back in mainspace? I'll let you be the judge of that, OK? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Re:ITNPlease see Wikipedia:In_the_news#Procedural: "The item has been nominated at the candidates' page, with an emboldened link to the updated article." --BorgQueen (talk) 03:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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BooksI see you deleted my listing in Wikipedia. Granted, my own ignorance caused me to exceed the limits of acceptability. But to designate that two of my books are not relevant or notable is a considerable misstatement. Beautiful Bad Girl, The Vicki Morgan Story, defined one of the major sex scandals of the late 20th Century. This was the ongoing, twelve year affair between Alfred Bloomingdale, department store scion and Reagan Kitchen Cabinet Member. Morgan sued and made international headlines. She was later murdered, and her death remain a controversy as does much of Bloomingdale's involvement with the Reagan Administration. My book tells the story from my first person perspective as I was a witness for the persecution and no Morgan and got a first hand account of her affair and involvement with Bloomingdale and other members of the administration. I was consulted and have been continually consulted for information and input regarding the notorious sex tapes and mechanisms within that period. I have recently been approached by two different parties for the film rights, as it is one of those stories that doesn't go away. The Guys Who Spied for China was done as a roman a clef due to vetting difficulties. However, it is a first hand account, based on my personal experiences working for one of the persons largely responsible for uncovering Chinese Espionage Networks operating in the United States. This is obviously an ongoing story as each month it seems another story appears bout the arrest of someone or some group who is spying for China. This, again, is a controversial story and was recently published by an Independent Publisher. It is a story that has yet to be told up until now, and I am receiving favorable response from people in the film and literary markets as well as people experienced with intelligence operations. It is slow going of course, as publishing through an independent publisher offers certain advantages, telling the story you want to tell, but there are challenges with distribution and dissemination. The Constant Travellers is a book I published through Putnam's. Other than it was optioned for film rights, etc. it is not particularly notable in a historic context. Again, I apologize for the self-promotion. It was over zealousness and, frankly, ignorance. I should have reviewed more thoroughly the Wikipedia policies. But to deny the notability of the other two books, I believe, would be remiss.Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Thanks for your consideration on this. Gordon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ga bass (talk • contribs) 19:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Here is another site http://www.amazon.com/reader/0546797415?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_books_pg&qid=1259711563&query=gordon%20basichis#reader_0546797415 Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) http://www.amazon.com/reader/1569248729?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_books_pg&qid=1259711563&query=gordon%20basichis#reader_1569248729 Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) I left some information earlier in the day. With respect to Beautiful Bad Girl, the book was reviewed extensively, including Time and People Magazines. However, the reviews were conducted in 1985 and do not appear on the Internet. There were radio, television and newspaper interviews, including Current Affair, during that same period. I will try to find the links, but it has been some time ago, but then,given the years, reviews from those publications, may have been lost over time. Here is some of the information I do have at the moment. Beautiful Bad Girl was first published in hardback by Santa Barbara Press, in 1985, which was not at all a vanity press. The book went out of print and was later put back in print through the Author's Guild and its Back in Print program they co-ventured with iUniverse. Additionally, Beautiful Bad Girl came out through Books on Tape and was distributed for twelve years. You can find copies of the Books On Tape addition on Alibris, and you can find copies of the original hardback on various used book sites. The hardcover, among other places is listed on Amazon, minus a photo of the cover. Here is the url. http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-girl-Gordon-Allen-Basichis/dp/B001T9ERY6/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259704778&sr=8-10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ga bass (talk • contribs) 22:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Here is the url for the Beautiful Bad Girl Books on Tape edition http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?invid=9547344982&wquery=beautiful+bad+girl&qwork=-555712306&qsort=&page=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ga bass (talk • contribs) 22:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Here are additional links for the Books on Tape version http://www.spotcost.com/prices/9785557123068/ For what it's worth, I may well have coined the phrase "Beautiful Bad Girl," having published the title in 1985. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ga bass (talk • contribs) 22:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0026EOM8Y/ref=dp_olp_collectible?ie=UTF8&qid=1259709399&sr=1-2&condition=collectible Find here the original cover to Beautiful Bad Girl, the Hardback Edition. Find it under the section that says "collectible, very good. Show all three images.Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) I should note that I was the only one to interview Vicki Morgan, and did so for nine months, as she helped to write this book. I will look for additional information. As The Guys Who Spied for China is so new and out through an independent publisher, reviews are slow. For points of reference, and I know this is abstract at best, there are numerous articles about Chinese Espionage in the eighties, especially. I realize that anyone could write a book and claim reference to various incidents, but that is what one is always faced with in writing a book of this nature. Anyway, I posted some of this information elsewhere, but as I am not all that familiar with the mechanisms inside Wikipedia I forget where. With the understanding I now have, I will refrain from editing or promoting myself in ways that would seem untoward or not in compliance with Wikipedia. But to consider either book not notable in the face of their historical value tends to leave a lot out of the research mix. Ga bass (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Regards, Gordon```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ga bass (talk • contribs) 23:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC) ArbCom questionsJust wanted to drop you a line saying I appreciated the questions you asked of the candidates. The way they were phrased made them among the most helpful to me, and I presume for others as well. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
MyPaint site accepted?Since there were no remark then I guess it's accepted to make a new page there then? ArTorP (talk) 16:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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Homosexuality and AnglicanismRegarding this, please be more careful when posting new ITN items in the future. Not only that the item didn't get enough consensus (User:Tone had already expressed his objection), but that the article hadn't been updated at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC) Tai Streets DYKPlease remove Tai Streets from DYK. It is not ready for main page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
yes?Re: Yes. - is that yes, close it, or yes, the motion is too soon? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
ClerkExcuse me, I've come across the SPI page and the idea of being a Clerk there intriged me and I was wondering if you could give me some information about it please? (P.S. Could you reply on my talk page because I'm terrible at talk page watching!) The C of E (talk) 16:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Please help correct ASAPHi, Somebody made a last minute hack to my DYK hook which is on the front page right now (I say "last minute" because I checked the queue last night and it was still intact at that time). The butchered hook now says
This statement is not strictly supported by sources and, regardless, is not really the point made in the article. The original statement said they were "allowed to vote" based on wearing trousers. Can somebody please correct it quickly? Thanks. --Mcorazao (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
DYKYou forgot to link to the article in your message on my talk :-) Is something wrong with the DYK update bot? Nyttend (talk) 03:18, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
INDECISION2009Cute. :) davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
request for copy of deleted articleCould I get a copy of the deleted article Air travel, climate change, and green consumerism? We want to move it to Appropedia. I'm guessing there's no easy way to do it with history? If so, I guess we'll assume it's substantially by the one author. Post to my userspace or send it to me at chriswaterguy with the domain name appropedia dot org - many thanks! --Chriswaterguy talk 09:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Blocked editor returnsAn editor whom you blocked for 3 months in this discussion in November has returned and is causing problems again - see WP:AN/I#Block evasion by long-term disruptive IP editor. You might want to consider resetting the 3-month block given the repeated evasion. -- ChrisO (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC) Notification: Proposed 'Motion to Close' at Wikipedia:Community de-adminship/Draft RfCYou are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Community de-adminship/Draft RfC re: a 'Motion to close', which would dissolve Cda as a proposal. The motion includes an !vote. You have previously commented at Wikipedia:WikiProject Administrator. Jusdafax 22:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC) Translations on cs wikiThanks, it would be great: cs:Cheryl Haninová (Cheryl Bentov), cs:Spark (software) (Spark (software)), cs:Trampling (Trample), cs:Ĝangalo (Ĝangalo). Thak you for help and merry christmas.--Slfi (talk) 10:40, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
jackie gibson mercerWhy did you delete the jackie gibson mercer page? Is she still alive? 71.177.230.111 (talk) 17:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC) Jake, I cannot see why you extended this block to indefinite. The original block was flawed and there seemed to be no justification for the extension. By extending the block and reverting AML's last edit you are also arguably making yourself uninvolved. While I can see that AML was POV pushing and editing through a COI, I feel that Bilby's attempt to draw what is an very inexperienced user into a discussion about their concerns should have been given more then 3 minutes before AML's editing career was brought to such a peremptory end. Spartaz Humbug! 05:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigationsI am not sure how to submit a case but here is the evidence: I have a suspicion that User:Drawn Some and User:Gerbelzodude99 and User:Torkmann are the same person. Of all the articles in Wikipedia and of all the articles I started, why would three people be drawn to the same articles over and over? All three accounts exist only to nominate articles for deletion, and all three concentrate on articles that I write and all three have nominated Joachim Cronman. The odds that three random people nominate the same random article would be 3 million cubed. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joachim Cronman (4th nomination). The multiple accounts appear to be in order to avoid sanctions from Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive563#Drawn_Some_and_Richard_Arthur_Norton_III, Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive553#Wikistalking_and_edit_warring_by_User:Drawn_Some, and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive198#User:Drawn_Some_seems_to_be_wikistalking_User:Richard_Arthur_Norton_.281958-_.29. In the most recent ANI an admin proposed banning Drawn Some from topics. Drawn Some subsequently stopped editing, so it is conceivable that the person behind the account switched accounts to avoid scrutiny when renewing the attacks on my articles. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:02, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Australian Monarchist League - referencesDear Mr Wartenberg, As a member of the National Council of the AML I have been contacted by its Chairman, Philip Benwell, and asked if I would look into the possibility of removing the first reference on the AML entry i.e. the one written some years ago and about the alleged background of Mr Benwell. I have tried to do this but cannot manage it - I did see however, that you appeared to have restored the reference after he, Benwell, removed it. I note that you are an administrator so I assume that you have access to things which I don't - and rightly so. ( I have written a few things for Citizendium so am fully aware of the need for accuracy and objectivity.) As the reference to him is surmise and unproven and not relevant to the entry on AML - Benwell is Chairman but does not run the organisation himself - I would ask that you consider removing it yourself. The other references are fine, if a little dated. I am not sure if I am following protocol or common sense in writing to you but I do so nevertheless. My e-mail is fhugheveleigh@hotmail.com. I seer that I am supposed to precede my signature with 4 tildes so I have now added these (30.12.09) Yours sincerely, --Fhugheveleigh (talk) 11:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)F. Hugh Eveleigh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fhugheveleigh (talk • contribs) 16:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Fortitude HTTPI am creating an article based on a previously delete page: Fortitude HTTP. I believe this page was deleted (after reviewing the notes) because no internet presents could be found under its release name "Fortitude HTTP", it was originally called simply "NetworkDLS HTTP Server" which has seen nearly 500k downloads from the vendors sites and many more from other outlets (such as Softseek, Softpedia, Wareseeker and Geardownload). I believe this presents contradicts one of the criteria that caused the articles deletion. My brother-in-law also uses this software and is an avid Wikipedia user (much better than I, im a n00b), I am going to ask him to help me expand the page and add some more references. Is there anything else I can do to ensure the the page isn't deleted? Thanks in advance!! FourtySix&Two (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC) NPWatcherI am interested in using this tool. when It's working again think you can approve me to use it? I like the tree on the profile, by the way GLaDOS (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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GLaDOS (talk) 04:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC) Requesting unprotection on Wesley PrudenHi there. Back on November 17th, you semi-protected this article indefinitely as it was the target of repeated vandalism from multiple anon IPs. This was a good idea at the time, but I think it's no longer necessary; he was only in the news briefly due to a controversial newspaper article he wrote, and has had little attention since then. (In fact, the page hasn't had a non-bot edit since November 18th.) I generally think that protection should be used as sparingly as possible, and articles shouldn't be kept protected any longer than necessary. If you agree, I recommend lifting the semi-protection on this article. Thanks. Robofish (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the explicit protection on that editnotice as it's already protected (as are all editnotices outside user space) by the Mediawiki software (as Amalthea noted when unprotecting it the last time). I checked that this protection was really true, by attempting to edit it both when not logged in and as my alternate non-admin account Sackful of swallows and I see that an attempt to edit brings up a "only editable by admins" header. Oddly, it doesn't seem to have automatic protection against renaming, though, so I've put move protection on it. Regards, Tonywalton Talk 01:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppet(s) of blocked user oldwindybearHi. I have noticed based on writing style and a particular passion about Bonnie and Clyde/Frank Hamer articles that users Pv86 and HarringtonSmith may be sockpuppets for banned user Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Oldwindybear,- sockpuppets of old windy bear. Old windy bear was banned(or resigned) just after being made an admin in July 2007 for sockpuppetry. I could not find the arbcom page regarding that though. If you could look into this, it would be greatly appreciated. Mytwocents (talk) 18:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC) POTD notificationHi Jake, Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Quays Waterford2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on January 14, 2010. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2010-01-14. howcheng {chat} 07:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC) Ah, that's better...The guy just refuses to take the hint. I mean if his edits were at least helpful, I could work with it, but like I said, he edits like he's in grade school and just keeps doing it. HalfShadow 20:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC) Wikipedia Day NYCYou are invited to celebrate Wikipedia Day and the 9th anniversary (!) of the founding of the site at Wikipedia Day NYC on Sunday January 24, 2010 at New York University; sign up for Wikipedia Day NYC here. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends! ITN for Diamond--candle•wicke 03:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposalAfter tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration. A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;
Need help regarding sockpuppetryHello! I need to report a disruptive user who uses sockpuppetry to insert false (or at least disputable and dubious) information. I would start the procedure but I don't know how to. I read Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations but I cannot understand how it is done (English is not my first language). The person I am referring to uses two accounts called User:Bosnipedian and User:Regionlegion. Bosnipedian told me that Bosnia used agnatic-elective monarchy and, after I insisted that such type of monarchy does not exist, Regionlegion said that he had already explained that to me. Later, Bosnipedian completely agreed with Regionlegion in this discussion, simply repeating his arguments. The two accounts edit the same pages and put the same (false) information in the same articles. Furthermore, Regionlegion was unexplainably rude to me the first time he wrote anything to me. On the other hand, Bosnipedian had already met me. It is clear that I am dealing with sockpuppets. I am sorry if I am bothering you. I suppose you are very busy; if you do not have time to help, could you please explain to me how to report him? Thanks in advance. Surtsicna (talk) 17:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
a question about checkuser/sockpuppet stuffsorry to bother you - I picked your name off the Active Clerks list on the SPI page. I want to know if a particular issue I'm having warrants a checkuser. a page that hasn't been active at all for literally months - orgone - has suddenly become active with an IP who is making aggressive and somewhat idiotic edits that mirror almost exactly a debate that got me in trouble when I first started editing wikipedia. It's a clear baiting tactic (the IP is just too polished for it to be the work of an over-eager newcomer), and I even have a good idea who's behind it - in the last 2 or 3 days I've had had a couple of cross-edits with an editor I also haven't run into in months who has been blocked and site-banned for sock-puppetry before. I'm just not sure whether there's enough here to merit a checkuser, or whether that's even the correct approach. any advice you have is welcome. --Ludwigs2 23:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC) HI could you undeleted my psp go page pleaseIt would mean alot, my email is jacobcotlong@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mylancotlong12 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
POTD notificationHi Jake, Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Hospital at Scutari 2a.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on January 21, 2010. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2010-01-21. howcheng {chat} 19:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC) prod of Ren NgI have removed the {{prod}} tag from Ren Ng, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! RayTalk 16:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC) BLPsI do hope you are actually adding references to these BLPs yourself. I've tackled a number of BLPs to try to help out reducing the 50,000 list the last few days and I will be pretty disappointed if you are taking the easy option and think the best solution is to nuke the lot when with a bit of hard work we could try to reference and expand them Jake. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I am well aware there are many duds in that list, in fact I speedied a couple and supported a couple of deletions for AFD the last few days. I just think the idea of nuking the whole lot without assessing each one is also potentially damaging to the encyclopedia, I am sure several thousand in that list could be expanded into decent articles and sourced and are notable even if they are not all like that. Yes, the BLP is a serious one and it is definately a priority to completely whittle down that list to zero, but while it should be done as quickly as possible I believe we should be chipping in and at least trying to find sources and if not then delete.... The task is urgent but even if it takes several weeks or months to rid of that BLP list and we end up with keeping notable articles which are sourced and ready for expansion this is much better than nuking the entire lot without bothering and possibly facing the same problem at a later date by somebody recreating them in the same way!! I'll be putting in my contribution every day I edit on here.... Regards Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC) For instance we don't want to be deleting articles like Roberta Flack just because they are not sourced!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:29, 23 January 2010 (UTC) Can you AFD Eman Abatayo? I'm not convinced he is anything more than a reality show guitarist... Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC) I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Darryl Sampson (Canadian football), which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! RayTalk 22:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC) NoteI have nominated you for membership in WP:BAG at Wikipedia:Bot Approvals Group/nominations/Jake Wartenberg. Please review the nomination, and if you accept, notify the appropriate pages listed in policy and then transclude it to WT:BAG. Good luck. MBisanz talk 02:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC) Request to undelete or Userfy "Barbie Wire Baseball Bat"Hello. My page was deleted as a "hoax." But it isn't. I just didn't know how to create the links, upload pix, etc. Below are links to vid, pix, and official results pages from the events named in my Barbie Wire Baseball Bat page. Also, there is a Facebook Fan Page (which currently has 19 fans). Here is a video from Velocity Pro Wrestling's Summer Bash 2 (Aug 16, 2008) and at 1:40 the bat is used by Spike Dudley, just like it said in my description. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLTewKEMT04 Here are photos of the yellow bat and pink bat at VPW and Jersey All Pro Wrestling shows (with wrestlers Spike Dudley, Masato Tanaka, Sara Del Rey, and tag team All Money Is Legal): http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Xicon1979/Barbie%20Wire%20Baseball%20Bat/ Here is the Velocity Pro Wrestling's MySpace blog about the results of the Summer Bash 2, wherein the Barbie Wire Baseball Bat is mentioned in the fifth paragraph (right before the word "intermission"): http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=388955417&blogId=421695331 And here is the Facebook Fan Page, http://www.facebook.com/#/pages/Barbie-Wire-Baseball-Bat/260479000964?ref=ts This is the Twitter page: https://twitter.com/BarbieWireBat So if this is a hoax, I have gone to considerable trouble and expense to create it. Not to mention hired hundreds of extras to fill the arena, hired pro wrestlers and a ring crew to enact the hoax, and wasted a lot of my time coming up with all the different pages (Facebook, Twitter, Photobucket, etc). Below is the original text from my Wikipedia posting. All of the text matches the evidence above. Let's get the obvious out of the way: the Barbie Wire Baseball Bat (The Bat) is a play on the term "barbed wire baseball bat", which is a weapon sometimes used in hardcore wrestling matches. Both weapons are obviously named. The barbed wire version uses barbed wire wrapped around a bat. The Barbie version is a "gentler" version that wraps plastic dolls around a bat. So far, two versions of The Bat have surfaced. The first was yellow, the second one was pink. No one knows what color the bat will be each time it enters an arena. A different bat is used each time, but always brought by the same guy. The Bat was conceived in 2008 by “Sharpshooter” Alex Pawson. ASK FOR IT BY NAME The Bat debuted at the New Alhambra Arena in Philadelphia, PA on August 16, 2008 at a Velocity Pro Wrestling show. Spike Dudley was the first to use The Bat, and the first victim was Sideshow. Their match was the mid-main event (right before intermission). About ¾ of the way through their match, a chant of “Use the bat” echoed through the arena. Spike obliged the crowd by signaling for The Bat from Alex. Upon impact, legs, arms, and heads of the dolls flew around the arena and the crowd went nuts. JERSEY DEBUT The Bat made its second appearance, and its NJ debut, at Jersey All Pro Wrestling’s 12th Anniversary show at the Rahway Convention Center. Monsta Mack (Heavy Hitters) used The Bat on Brodie Lee (Hillbilly Wrecking Club) during a three-way-dance tag match. The impact was so crazy that one entire doll went flying off the bat, and one doll was shot out of her tiny clothes. This match was the last of three main events, and the final match of the evening. LUCKY CHARM FOR SOME So far, both Spike Dudley and the Heavy Hitters have won their respective matches after using The Bat. We’re not saying that it has anything to do with The Bat, but we’re also not NOT saying that either. WHO’S NEXT? Who will wield The Bat next? Who will be The Bat’s next victim? Where will it show up? Can the winning streak continue for wrestlers who use The Bat? Check out the Facebook Fan Page as The Bat makes more appearances and claims more victims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LegendOfAlex (talk • contribs) 20:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC) Hi this is about the entry about the Barbiewire Baseball batHello. My page was deleted as a "hoax." But it isn't. I just didn't know how to create the links, upload pix, etc. Below are links to vid, pix, and official results pages from the events named in my Barbie Wire Baseball Bat page. Also, there is a Facebook Fan Page (which currently has 19 fans). Here is a video from Velocity Pro Wrestling's Summer Bash 2 (Aug 16, 2008) and at 1:40 the bat is used by Spike Dudley, just like it said in my description. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLTewKEMT04 Here are photos of the yellow bat and pink bat at VPW and Jersey All Pro Wrestling shows (with wrestlers Spike Dudley, Masato Tanaka, Sara Del Rey, and tag team All Money Is Legal): http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/Xicon1979/Barbie%20Wire%20Baseball%20Bat/ Here is the Velocity Pro Wrestling's MySpace blog about the results of the Summer Bash 2, wherein the Barbie Wire Baseball Bat is mentioned in the fifth paragraph (right before the word "intermission"): http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=388955417&blogId=421695331 And here is the Facebook Fan Page, http://www.facebook.com/#/pages/Barbie-Wire-Baseball-Bat/260479000964?ref=ts This is the Twitter page: https://twitter.com/BarbieWireBat So if this is a hoax, I have gone to considerable trouble and expense to create it. Not to mention hired hundreds of extras to fill the arena, hired pro wrestlers and a ring crew to enact the hoax, and wasted a lot of my time coming up with all the different pages (Facebook, Twitter, Photobucket, etc). Below is the original text from my Wikipedia posting. All of the text matches the evidence above. Let's get the obvious out of the way: the Barbie Wire Baseball Bat (The Bat) is a play on the term "barbed wire baseball bat", which is a weapon sometimes used in hardcore wrestling matches. Both weapons are obviously named. The barbed wire version uses barbed wire wrapped around a bat. The Barbie version is a "gentler" version that wraps plastic dolls around a bat. So far, two versions of The Bat have surfaced. The first was yellow, the second one was pink. No one knows what color the bat will be each time it enters an arena. A different bat is used each time, but always brought by the same guy. The Bat was conceived in 2008 by “Sharpshooter” Alex Pawson. ASK FOR IT BY NAME The Bat debuted at the New Alhambra Arena in Philadelphia, PA on August 16, 2008 at a Velocity Pro Wrestling show. Spike Dudley was the first to use The Bat, and the first victim was Sideshow. Their match was the mid-main event (right before intermission). About ¾ of the way through their match, a chant of “Use the bat” echoed through the arena. Spike obliged the crowd by signaling for The Bat from Alex. Upon impact, legs, arms, and heads of the dolls flew around the arena and the crowd went nuts. JERSEY DEBUT The Bat made its second appearance, and its NJ debut, at Jersey All Pro Wrestling’s 12th Anniversary show at the Rahway Convention Center. Monsta Mack (Heavy Hitters) used The Bat on Brodie Lee (Hillbilly Wrecking Club) during a three-way-dance tag match. The impact was so crazy that one entire doll went flying off the bat, and one doll was shot out of her tiny clothes. This match was the last of three main events, and the final match of the evening. LUCKY CHARM FOR SOME So far, both Spike Dudley and the Heavy Hitters have won their respective matches after using The Bat. We’re not saying that it has anything to do with The Bat, but we’re also not NOT saying that either. WHO’S NEXT? Who will wield The Bat next? Who will be The Bat’s next victim? Where will it show up? Can the winning streak continue for wrestlers who use The Bat? Check out the Facebook Fan Page as The Bat makes more appearances and claims more victims. 67.81.58.193 (talk) 03:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)Dannie |