User talk:Iustinus/Archive 1

Welcome to the Wikipedia

Here are some links I thought useful:

Feel free to contact me personally with any questions you might have. The Wikipedia:Village pump is also a good place to go for quick answers to general questions. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, like this: ~~~~.

Be Bold!

[[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Wants you to vote!]] 22:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Leif Ericson

Hi, you've caused havok on the page Leif Ericson by doing one or more of the following: converting Þ to <THORN> or þ to <thorn>, Ð to <ETH> or ð to <eth>. Presumably this is happening automatically with your browser, which presumably is Microsoft Internet Explorer on Mac OS 9 since that's the only browser/OS that seems to have a problem with those letters in this way (if you know this to be incorrect please inform wikitech-l at wikimedia.org).

To fix this, you can do one of the following:

  • Use another browser such as Netscape Navigator.
  • Install another operating system such as Debian GNU/Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD (or Mac OS X which works on some computers that Mac OS 9 works on).
  • Refrain from editing these pages or suggest changes on the talk page since your edits have some very undesired side-effects.
Sorry, I like my clunky MSIE for every day browsing, but it's terrible for wikipedia. I try not to use it on articles with "special" characters, but didn't realize thorn and eth were exotic enough to trip it up. Sorry! --Iustinus 18:46, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Philippinae

Salve! Gratias ago pro nexis. Did I get that right? I'm studying Latin on my own. I might enroll. I 'm also studying French and Japanese. I'm thingking of Interlingua. An ubi estudias Latine? (It's probably horrible Latin but I'm sure you understand the question). Iapnium habito. Best regard, --Jondel 07:53, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Horchata, mmm

Aha! I see my strategy of not getting around to it worked admirably! ;-) No, seriously, I'm glad that you were able to come to a peaceful agreement. Cheers! FreplySpang (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Venezuelan chicha (chicha de arroz) is a variety of chicha similar to horchata. Maybe we can add it as a redirect to the "other varieties" section. --Vizcarra 03:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re: Dagger-axe

Thanks! The main reason I edited the article was that I felt the statement concerning jade weapons being useless in combat lacked NPOV, and then I made a few other changes while I was at it. I think a good middle ground would be to make it clear that, by every source I've checked, jade weapons found in tombs do not show signs of being used in combat, and in general jade weapons were most likely not used in combat. This doesn't mean they would have necessarily been useless if they had been used, as lithic weapons were used widely at times. Make sense/sound good? Also, I'd prefer you make the edit concerning the similarities, as I'm sure you have a much better idea of what you have in mind, and no offense will be taken, I promise! Sdr 02:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Jade states a hardness between 6.5-7 while also stating it has been used historically to make weapons. The article on Actinolite AKA Nephrite, the variety of jade primarily used in China, states it tends to be between 5.5-6 in hardness. Obsidian is cited as having a hardness of 5-5.5, lower than stated values for jade, although part of the advantage of obsidian, flint, and similar materials in that they have conchoidal fracture, which jade does not. Nevertheless, the jade artifacts might have been useful as weapons in some capacity, rather than entirely useless as previously stated, even if they were never wielded in combat. Sdr 03:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not an expert on jade weapons, I'm mostly going with the information contained in other articles to make an inference: hitting someone with a hard, dense object like a rock, especially one fashioned to concentrate the force of the blow as narrowly as possible in a single plane, like a blade, will hurt to some extent, and could hardly be categorized as useless in combat. From what I've read there is no reason to believe they ever were used in combat, in the time period the article pertains to, but that does not mean they would be useless if they were used. I think you worded your point fairly well when you first inquired about the edit I made: "the jade version, although it is obviously not intended for combat, is designed to LOOK like the battle-worthy bronze version". Clean it up a little and it'd be good, and I'm willing to do it if you'd prefer. It is something I can agree with and which I will admit my editing partially removed.

Ferula

Hi Iustinus - thanks for the note; on the Cat:Corpral punishment, I wasn't sure whether to leave it or not, in the end I left it in as the Roman use is still there (I know nothing about c.p. either, and only removed the rest because it seemed to have become fairly far detached from the title name of the page). If you think it should come out, by all means remove it. The Silphium link is still there (end of 'Uses'), I just moved it lower down as it is not definitely equatable with Ferula tingitiana, only possibly so. - MPF 15:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; yes, as your addenum suggests, Ferula tingitiana is an extant species, native to Asia Minor and north Africa; it was described by Linnaeus, and he never described any fossil or other 'hypothetical' species, only species that he had examined herbarium specimens of. Whether silphium was the same species or not is open to differences of opinion. - MPF 21:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Gaudio

Hey, thank you very much for your help.

Well, a project, something like that :)

You see, when i made this article for the wikipedia in Spanish, i made the translation from the English wikipedia, but i translated the names of maria from Latin but i saw anyway the English translation, and well some times i was surprised, i was not sure if the translation was very accurate or that if i had to consider other nuances of those words. I thought that the best option was translating from Latin to Castillian, first because it was a direct translation, second because they are more similar languages.

I also made the Google test, you know, search the word or words in Google, to try to find the name in Spanish

[1]

I really enjoyed myself when i made that article. The names of maria are pure poetry :)

Thank you again

Gaudio 20:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Um... you're welcome, but I'm not entirely sure how I've helped you. --Iustinus 20:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Salve, Lustine

Well, i was trying to thank you because you wanted to help me.

Maybe you can review the translations of that article. That's all :)

Not very difficult

Gaudio 15:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ack! That's Iustine, with an i not an l! How embarassing ;) See your talk page for the rest of my answer. --Iustinus 18:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Salve Iustine!
Oh! You don't have to be worried about your lust, i'm quite broadminded. Please, feel free to express yourself the way you want to :)
That article is not the only one i made which has Latin words, aha
I made some articles about species, mmm, among others, and you can take a look if you want, you can correct them if you wish,mmm, ¿Justin?
Gaudio 19:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Latin translation

If you have a little time, can you translate the 2 sentences in the entry "ANABASII" on this page? Thanks. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-12 23:53

  • Nevermind. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-01-13 05:07

hey hey

iam latina lingua non scribo, cause I stopped studying and what I know is progressively deteriorating :). Who knows though, maybe when I take another course I'll feel up to it. Vale!----Elizabeth of North Carolina 03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A welcome for Gaudio

Salve Iustine!

Your welcome in Latin wikipedia was nice, thanks!

But maybe you didn't realize, i don't know how these things work :)

Gaudio 19:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please, do not tale amiss my words!

I guess that message is for all the beginners in wikipedias. But i was happy to receive that welcome from you, that's all, don't get angry :(

Gaudio 15:12, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You put that message in my user page as everybody does with beginners in almost all wikipedias. And i thanked you. And that's all.

Gaudio 19:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that maybe you send that message to all the beginners, and you didn't realize in my case, it was me, a person you had writen to just one day ago or something like that.

Maybe you forgot me, mmm

Gaudio 14:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, OK

You can do that with me again, if you want :)

I have just e-mailed you by the way, if you don't reveive, please let me know :)

Gaudio 16:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK, with this i consider that you don't want to know about me anymore

Do take care

Gaudio 15:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Latin motto

hello, i notice that you are one of the most active Latin wikipedians, so might you help me with a Latin quotation? how should the phrase "Ipsi cura est" (indeed a motto) be translated into english? (from 1 Peter 5:7, the whole sentence is "Omnem sollicitudinem vestram proicientes in Eum, quoniam Ipsi cura est de vobis".) I don't understand why the dative (or genetive?) Ipsi is used ... the question may be too easy to you, but i hope you could help. Thanks. --K.C. Tang 03:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's essentially a dative of posession (well, one could offer other interpretations and quibble about it, but for now this will do): to him there is a care about you = he has a care about you = he cares for you. --Iustinus 08:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
thanks a lot! but then how should we translate "Ipsi cura est" out-of-contextly? it seems to me that the phrase without the part "de vobis" makes not much sense... could i say "he cares"?--K.C. Tang 02:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inangodonus

Hi Iustinus. Sorry, I have no clue on "Inangodonus", except for the fact that "donus" is probably indeed "Lord", and "Inago" is a sort of grasshopper, with the reputation of eating through rice reserves (some sort of allusion?). Regards. PHG 13:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Et tu Brute?

Thanks for contributing the reference to snowclones at Et tu, Brute?. I am the original author of that sentence, and while I had read the languagelog discussions of snowclones before, it totally did not occur to me that that's what I was getting at here! The link greatly improves that sentence. --Iustinus 17:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Glad it helped. I actually questioned myself about that change and half expected it to be reverted. After the edit I realised how recent a neologism "Snowclone" is. I'd only stumbled across the term myself the same day. Pengo 00:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

‎"‎װיקיפּעדיע‎"‎ and ‎"‎װיקיביבליאָטעק‎‎"‎

Your corrections to List of Latin phrases (F–O)

Hi Iustinus,

about your changes to List of Latin phrases (F–O), could you please explain me the difference between "bad times are going" and "bad times are running [away]"? As a non-native speaker I'm a little uncertain. (Note that the Latin meaning is that bad times *are in progress* not that they are vanishing). Also, you removed "leges sine moribus vanae", added by an anonymous user. Was that intentional? --Gennaro Prota 01:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translation of a phrase

Forgive me for requestiong this, but it shouldn't be a big deal: is there a reasonable Latin translation for the saying "People are dumb, persons are smart"? Thanks a bunch, Ingoolemo talk 18:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction

I'm only in second year latin - and what I saw as a feminine sigular really was a neuter plural. And conjugations (and verbs in general) were never really a strong point for me. Thanks for making that clear, feel free to correct me again later as I'm sure I'll do something like it again :D --Itamae 19:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Garuda

Garuda never occurs in the plural as far as I know - it is just the personal name of the eagle-god. --Grammatical error 17:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glaives outside of medieval weaponry

I think there was some discussion on the talk page about these; Blade (comics) may have one, and some other characters (sometimes spelled Glave). I'm fairly certain Krull is the earliest and best known, though... -- nae'blis (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Latin Editing

I obviously work during the school year, so I apologize for not responding sooner. Do you have any suggestions as to where I begin? Amicuspublilius 02:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cafrini

On close inspection of the image I really doubt the first letter could be ‘C’ because its left side is certainly straight, not curved. I half suspect the word is ‘PATRINOSQVE’ in some extended sense. —Muke Tever talk 20:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rhetorical Expressions

Greetings fellow classicist! I started updating several of the pages in rhetoric when I found they were missing the Latin definitions. I edited chiasmus and zeugma and have my eyes on isocolon and tricolon as well as an expansion of Pro Archia Poeta. I welcome any critical critique in the name of accuracy of the translations I provided.

gratias tibi ago
--Ben Trent 17:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hasekura Tsunenaga

Hi Iustinus. It seems that someone deleted the text of your translation of the act of citizenship for Hasekura Tsunenaga. Normally a simple revert would do, but strangely it seems this History function is not available for "transit pages" for images coming from Wikipedia Commons. As far as I can see, the solution would be to put the text on Wikipedia Commons (which can be accessed through the "page description" link). Or the text should be inserted in the references at the end of the text... I hope that you still have a copy somewhere! Regards PHG 22:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Iustinus. Should you wish to do so, you can vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates for Hasekura Tsunenaga to become a featured article. Best regards PHG 03:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fiji - Latine

Thanks for the link. "t" is fine with me: our native Maori has "Whiti" (with the "wh" being roughly equal to "f" in modern dialects). Robin Patterson 02:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Moschops

I read in the book "Prehistoric Life: The Rise of the Vertebrates," and the author, David Norman, had it translated as "silly face."--Mr Fink 15:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Library of Alexandria

Hi Iustinus. I've replied your post here. --Filius Rosadis 20:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kushans

Hi Iustinus! Congratulations for the latin article on the Kushans! Best regards. PHG 14:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mancio Ito

Hi Iustinus. Yes, I'll be glad to expand on Mancio Ito sometime in the future. Can you put the links and references on my Talk Page? Thank you. PHG 04:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Iustinus. I have put an e-mail address on my page. Could you send me the documents you were talking about regarding Mancio Ito? Best regards. PHG 20:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translating Kepler

Dear Iustinus

For the purpose of informing the Wikipedia Kepler article, would you be kind enough to provide an English translation of the following quotation from Kepler’s Astronomia Nova ? It is quoted on page 436 of Koyre’s The Astronomical Revolution. It is relevant to the question of the extent to which in AN Kepler claimed the two laws he claimed for the Martian orbit also applied to all the other planets:

“Pars Quarta: Investigatio verae mensurae primae inaequalitatis ex causis physicis et propriae sententia. Quae tertia parte demonstrata sunt, ad omnes planetas pertinet: unde non injuria clavis astronomiae penitioris dici possunt. Quam tanto magis gaudere debemus inventum, quanto certius est nulla alla ratione investigare potuisse, praeterquam per stellae Martis observationes.” [p215 AN] [That ‘unde’ might be a typo, I’ll re-check it.]

There is by the way an English translation of the Latin Astronomia Nova by William Donahue, but it is an out of print relatively rare book.

For the context of this request, see the Kepler article Talk page's section “Was Kepler's first law a rash conclusion ?” and the Bibliography’s Further Reading.


Happy New Year Logicus 18:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response and the added value in translations. I shall check your queries (and indeed your translation against my own extremely rusty Latin) and get back. Yes, do note the ellipticity issue is crucial given Laws 2 & 3 also apply to circular orbits. And note Huygens rejected Kepler's first two laws but accepted Law 3. I begin to suspect ellipticity never was proven by Kepler. Logicus 15:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Further:I have now checked it. On typos, of course you are right "alla" is 'alia', but the other two are at least certainly as published in Koyre p436, [sententiA and investigarE, but of course Koyre may have typos.

As to the location of the quote, Koyre's reference to p215 may be to Vol III of the Caspar & Dyck Collected Works, and he also refers to its p272 as the introduction of Lib IV of AN, and then to p326 of the earlier 19th century collected works, Frisch's Opera Omnia. It is unclear which of these the quote is taken from.
Of course the question this passage now raises is exactly what exactly was shown in the third part it refers to that now applies to all the planets ? Remember Gingerich tells us computer analysis reveals the Mars data was severally 8’ out [of an ellipse ?]. Did Kepler even properly evidentially demonstrate his first two laws for Mars anywhere ?
You may well be right that the other quotes you translate suggest Kepler had done some preliminary cursory research with Tycho’s data. But in my 6 Jan Talk I cite the 1607 letter Koyre quotes begging money from Rudolf presumably to employ computers to check his laws against Tycho’s data for the other planets, but which was not forthcoming. A key question here is whether Kepler cites the justifying Tychonic data when he makes verification claims. Reportedly the Rudolphine Tables included some 1000 Tycho data. But I cannot find anybody saying whether all these data supported Kepler’s laws or some ‘refuted’ them on such as the 8’ criterion, or how selective of Tycho’s data they were, etc. Interesting that Huygens respects Rudolphine Tables but rejects first two laws !!!

By the way, always interested to hear where you disagree with my logical interprerations of the history of science literature Logicus 15:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What accuracy for a Martian ellipse did Kepler claim in AN ?

Iustinus, from your knowledge of your copy of Astronomia Nova, can you possibly kindly shed any light on what Kepler actually claimed in it for the relative greater accuracy of an ellipse for the Martian orbit, having rejected an ovoid because it was 8' out, also having rejected circular and epicyclical epitrochoid orbits ?
The secondary literature which largely parrots Kepler's own published reportage of a trial and error process of discovery in AN is notably evasive about this crucial issue, which suggests Kepler himself was. In fact such as Fergusson reads as he preferred an ellipse to an ovoid solely because of its greater mathematical simplicity rather than any considerations of being a better fit to the data. Moreover in the 1991 Epilogue to his 1993 book Gingerich claims Kepler's account in AN of the process of 'discovering' an elliptical orbit for Mars is only a rhetorical reconstruction rather than a chronological reconstruction i.e. a misrepresentation.
Fergusson claims the Rudolfine Tables were accurate within max 3' error for Mars, but without saying whether this is on Tychonic or on contemporary data or giving any source for this claim. Is she perhaps referring to a claim Kepler made somewhere ? And is it what he claimed in AN for its elliptical Martian orbit.
Somebody, I forget who, reports Tycho's data was accurate to within 4'. Logicus 18:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

glaive

are you sure about that? pizza is used everywhere since a while including in england and france, does it makes it an english or a french word? i don't think so. the situation is the same for the french word glaive. Louis R14 22:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

HDQ image

I've found a slightly higher resolution version...in my trashcan...phew! I think it is just about legible. If not, I'll try and find the original: I know it was in an old book, but I can't remember which one! Let me know how you get on. Bluewave 17:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My Latin is based on O-level many years ago plus a bit of experience of reading old docs which are very formulaic. Is that "separatim" not "separtim" as you've written? It's interesting that it specifies old style dates (not sure of the date of the engraving). Does the inscription mean that all 8 are shown in the image although they were not all executed at the same time? Bluewave 21:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could de quaternis be translated as "in fours" or "by fours"? ie four were executed each day...and does coniunctim mean something like "joined together". So, could it be: "The PUNISHMENT exacted from the eight conspirators in Britain, on January 30 & 31 Old Style, 1606, exacted on the one hand separately in fours, but nevertheless on account of the very same cause of Punishment, depicted all together in the attached illustration." Bluewave 11:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've added your definitive translation to the original (slightly lower res) image. Many thanks! Bluewave 21:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harpe

Iustinus, just created an article for the Harpe. Do you want to expand it? Thanks! The Ogre 14:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Falcata

Iustinus, let's revert. I'm not even sure he is Spanish. I think any Spanish would know the family name Fulgosio, it seems much more common than I realised. The Ogre 21:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iustinus, forget about that guy! Keep up with the good work. The Ogre 05:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I won't let it go to my head! Andrew Dalby 20:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But what happens now? Just curious ... Andrew Dalby 12:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not very observant. I hadn't even noticed those extra tabs at the top of the pages! Andrew Dalby 16:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Latin quote

Hello Mad Latinist! :) Sorry I haven't answered your post in my talk page - I was sort of busy (Ah! the excuses one invents for one's capital sins...!) The angry guy in Falcata seems to have back down a bit - a least he presented some sort of excuses for his atitude. I'm writing you with a request: since you say of yourself Hic usor callidissima latinitate contribuere potest. (my Latin-brain is capable of reading this...), could you help with the translation of the quote from Rufus Avienus Festus' Ora Maritima present in the articles Oestriminis and Ophiussa. It's as follows:

Ophiussam ad usque. rursum ab huius litore


internum ad aequor, qua mare insinuare se
dixi ante terris, quodque Sardum nuncupant,
septem dierum tenditur pediti via.
Ophiussa porro tanta panditur latus
quantam iacere Pelopis audis insulam
Graiorum in agro. haec dicta primo Oestrymnis est
locos et arva Oestrymnicis habitantibus,
post multa serpens effugavit incolas


vacuamque glaebam nominis fecit sui.

Can you help? Tibi gratias ago! The Ogre 19:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gaudium maximum, Iustinus! Thanks a lot, really! I've just added your translation to Oestriminis and Ophiussa. On the other matter, I'm not a good canditate for the Latin Wikipedia, I'm sorry to say. I do not know Latin, and my formal grammar skills in any language are best described as very bad. What happens is that, being Portuguese, I have a sort of (often misguided!) intuition about some Latin sentences. If you want to, maybe you could propose a Latin adventure to a friend of mine, User:Velho - he knows more Latin and Latin grammar then I'll ever know! :) And my work on Fulgosio is really not impressive - I just know my way around Google... By the way, do you read Portuguese? I could manage to hand you a comprehensive Dicionay of Latin Expressions (Latin-Portuguese) done by Henerik Kocher. This is a completly illegal copy (word document format)... Valeto! The Ogre 17:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit

I don't think it was Mrs D. The other interests of this user don't seem to correspond to her (or to anyone I know!) -- AD

Ai T'ien and Matteo Ricci

I'm so sorry! I forgot all about this. Ricci wrote about the incident in a letter to Claudio Aquaviva or the Society of Jesus. I know that DD Leslie's Juifs de Chine has the letter, but am not sure about who else has it. Yodaat 21:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

True; it felt like a long time.
Do you mind letting me know when / if / where you find it? Thanks! Yodaat 02:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot

SuggestBot predicts that you will enjoy editing some of these articles. Have fun!

Stubs
Arsinoe I of Egypt
Malabathrum
Kodachi
Ptolemy XIV of Egypt
Wheat mildew
Leontopolis
Cleopatra VI of Egypt
Sofrito
Mutsu Province
Ptolemy X Alexander I
Agathedaemon of Alexandria
Whole wheat flour
Anshan (Persia)
Cleopatra IV of Egypt
Winter wheat
International Wheat Council
Berenice III of Egypt
Tarragon
Wodao
Cleanup
Darius the Great's Suez Inscriptions
Non serviam
Parsnip
Merge
Pre-Roman Portugal
Okra
Decree of Canopus
Add Sources
St John's wort
Horseradish
Snowclone
Wikify
William Cullen
War-sword
Mon (badge)
Expand
Chordate
Lusitanian mythology
Arts history of Portugal

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. Your contributions make Wikipedia better -- thanks for helping.

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please tell me on SuggestBot's talk page. Thanks from ForteTuba, SuggestBot's caretaker.

P.S. You received these suggestions because your name was listed on the SuggestBot request page. If this was in error, sorry about the confusion. -- SuggestBot 20:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]