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sorry, are you talking to/about me? I do use VPN on occasion (it's for work, as I need to watch geo-blocked videos from around the world) and I forgot to sign in a couple of times (seeing as it's not required to post comments on the talk pages)-- I can tell you exactly which are my unsigned comments though (only 2-3 are unsigned but you can tell by content they're mine). is there a problem here?--Iovaniorgovan (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
these are my unsigned comments: "196.245.9.70 (talk) 07:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)", "23.83.37.154 (talk) 07:44, 26 April 2018" and this one on the Densusianu thread (though obviously me) "2602:301:7769:EF70:1D88:8886:4A13:2F40 (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)". Forgot to sign in, so shoot me. Why don't you make it a requirement to sign in if one wants to post a comment on the talk page? Else you can forgive someone for forgetting to sign in. Any questions?--Iovaniorgovan (talk) 07:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Borsoka (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you sent one of these "warnings" to your flunkies, too... Right?? You know, the Hungarian brigade that keeps reverting my edits? While you're at it, did you send one to yourself? I didn't violate any Wiki rules, my edit was the direct result of what was debated on the Talk pages. I got no answer to my question so I performed the edit (as advertised), and I'll continue to do so unless I get a reasonable answer. If you have a problem with it please resort to arbitration, I'm all for it.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am not a member of any "Hungarian brigade". I am a Romanian editor, but I think you are wrong in this particular case. If you don't improve your behaviour here, you will be blocked on Wikipedia. So my friendy advice is to stop the edit war immediately. 123Steller (talk) 13:34, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, my apologies. The edit wars sometimes lead to major improvements in the article. See my "work" on the linguistics & genetics sections as an example. More is coming. And please don't lecture me on "behavior", it's pathetic. I haven't broken any Wiki rules. In fact, the FIRST Wiki rule is to be "BOLD". Can you tell the difference? In alta ordine de idei, toate bune!Iovaniorgovan (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Origin of the Romanians (WP:3RR)
Wikipedia have always been a community of cooperating editors. Your edit history suggests that your principal aim is to push your own rules against any editor ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]). I ask you to read basic Wikipedia policies, because editors who do not apply them always have to leave our community. I strongly suggest that you should read WP:3RR. Borsoka (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are the one pushing an ideology here, as a Hungarian trying to lord over the "Origin of the Romanians" Wiki page by, for instance, denying the inclusion of critical RELIABLE SOURCES just because you don't IDEOLOGICALLY agree with them (instead of bringing "reliable sources" to support your arguments): case in point, the THIRD-OPINION case I opened (pending). No one elected you the Pope of Wikipedia, so all editors are equal in that regard, and it will stay that way. Might I remind you, I HAVE ALWAYS RESPECTED ALL WIKI RULES! Nonetheless, YOU keep pushing your agenda and I see there could be repercussions against you. I'll look into it soon and see what can be done about your behavior here.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Notice of No Original Research Noticeboard discussion
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Hello, I'm Tgeorgescu. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Nicolae Densușianu seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Conclusion: your removal is not done since WP:PARITY is of application. Tgeorgescu (talk) 13:26, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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@Alex Cohn Please refer to the edit in question. I always abide by Wiki rules and use the talk pages extensively when there's a dispute. If the edit in question is the revert on Tgeorgescu's edit, then that's pretty obvious: he uses redundant opinions of a blogger/filmmaker (NOTWP:RS) to populate an article on a historian. Nonetheless, there's a "talk" in process, so I don't see what the problem is here. Kind regards.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 01:02, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Alex Cohn Oh, that, I see. You're right, but I looked up that page and it says "These tags are not an official Wikipedia policy, and may be heeded or not...", so I decided to not heed it because I disagree that I have a single-purpose account, as I've made edits on several other pages, even quite recently. Is that wrong or just "frowned upon"? So who decides that I should (or should not) have that tag attached? Also, why was my last comment removed from the NPOV talk page? Cheers.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 01:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't delete any talk page comments. What're you talking about?! Please refrain from making more paranoid, unfounded and wild accusations on my talk page.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 02:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I don't know how exactly that happened, honestly. I think we were editing at the same time and as I published my edit I got a pop-screen to reconcile the edits either with the existing text or with my edits and I chose my edits, meaning it overwrote your recent edit... Or something like that. My apologies, it wasn't intentional. Nonetheless, generally speaking, you have gone overboard with calling my comments "disruptive". You have a long history of doing everything in your power to curtail me. But it won't work. All the best though.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 02:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I profess nothing, other than I'm here to create a better encyclopedia. You, on the other hand, have already falsely accused me (and others) of sock puppetry and other things (see above), which is the very definition of paranoia ("suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification") and here you go again accusing me of other stuff, when in fact it's you who's stoking ethnic discord with false accusations, as one can see here. When I made a mistake I owned up to it and promptly apologized, yet you have refused to do so even when you were clearly in the wrong. That's the difference between you and me. Please stop abusing my talk page with your paranoid charges, I will not respond to them from here on out. Peace.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.(KIENGIR (talk) 12:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC))[reply]
Your recent editing history at Origin of the Romanians shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. TrixAreForKidsSillyRabbit (talk) 08:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I will conditionally unblock you provided you agree not to make major changes to Origin of the Romanians w/o first seeking consensus on the talk page. Edit warring does not require 4 reversions, that is only a general guidepost. Slow motion edit warring and a pattern of making drastic changes to articles w/o consensus is also disruptive. This will not apply to minor changes copy-editing and so on. Let me know if you are OK with this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Fair enough. I see your point. I do have a question though. As I mentioned above, I'm currently seeking dispute resolution and if the "moderator" of that dispute suggests that we re-structure the article more in line with my previous edits, then it'd be okay to move in that direction, correct? (that may require more than just a few "minor" edits) But, obviously, I'll wait until that gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 00:51, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I will be unblocking you shortly. As for your disagreements on the article, I suggest posting a detailed WP:RfC. You can then post a neutrally worded FYI message on WP:Romania inviting interested editors to join the discussion. Be careful not to engage in WP:CANVASSING. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, much appreciated! I'll be following your advice, although it may be too late now to retract that call for dispute resolution... what do you think?Iovaniorgovan (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorry, I'm completely confused. What did I do wrong? I just made two small additions... I didn't revert or delete anything. Why is this not allowed?Iovaniorgovan (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I get it now, but that warning message is not as clear as it could be. It's a bit confusing and I didn't do anything in bad faith so I'd appreciate it if you could remove the ban. Cheers.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
I'm sorry, but I cannot unblock you at this time. Our consensus seems to be that you should not make edits that have been reverted w/o obtaining consensus. Please review the unblock discussion and feedback. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
I am going to defer to Laser brain on your unblock request. But I will say that I am not happy with your restoring edits that have been previously challenged and removed, especially right after being released from a block for edit warring. However Laser chooses to handle your unblock request, if we have to revisit this subject again, you should be prepared for an extended and enforced wikibreak. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This block is not connected to the The warning on the article page. It is issued because of the violation of the unblock conditions set above, on this page (...provided you agree not to make major changes to Origin of the Romanians w/o first seeking consensus on the talk page...). Vanjagenije(talk)17:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije Thanks for taking the time to review this, it's greatly appreciated. I did agree to not make major changes w/o first seeking consensus on the talk page but I don't see the two edits I made as being "major". Perhaps my understanding of Wiki terminology is lacking, so if someone could please explain what constitutes a "major change" (as opposed to a "minor change") then that'll clear up the confusion. I mean, are you saying that before I add even a line to the article, I'll need to bring that up on the Talk page? Also, why was my other edit reverted, seeing as it was a new WP:RS (never used before, hence never reverted)? Iovaniorgovan (talk) 22:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije Okay, I didn't realize the term was meant literally, rather than informally. Just the same, I haven't made any edits since and I've brought everything I had issues with onto the Talk pages for discussion as I seek consensus. However, one other editor involved in the edit war (see the latest edits to the article) has been making unilateral edits without having reached consensus, including the removal of one map which had been moved/deleted several times before (again, removal of a properly sourced WP:RS with no consensus whatsoever, as you can see here). So, the obvious question is: do these guidelines apply differently to that editor (Borsoka) or are you trying to enforce them fairly and equitably across the board? I realize this whole debate is a pain, so thanks again for your time.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 03:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Dlohcierekim: I think of my block not as an independent block, but as a reinstating of the original block issued by Ad Orientem because unblock conditions were violated. So, I have no objection to unblock, but only if Ad Orientem agrees too. Vanjagenije(talk)17:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but all of this occurring right after being unblocked is too much for me. A short period of not being able to edit will hopefully be spent considering how to proceed here (hint: it involves WP:CONSENSUS). -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:30, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I will decline the unblock. User is asked to obtain consensus before making edits that have been reverted. Even little ones. Even those of no seeming consequence.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Dlohcierekim In the way of achieving clarity here and avoiding any more blocks, I'll ask you the same question I asked above: am I supposed to seek consensus on the Talk page before I add even one line to the article? Even if that edit is new and is not part of any content that has been reverted before? It seems pretty extreme, but is that really the guideline here? And does that apply equally to all editors? Iovaniorgovan (talk) 22:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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