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Sure I can fix it. The list right now is, Adam, Idris, Nuh, Hud, Saleh, Ibrahim, Luth, Ismail, Is'haq, Isaac, Yaqub, Yusuf, Ayoub, Job, Shoaib, Musa, Harun, Dhul-Kifl, Daud, Sulaiman, Ilyas, Al-Yasa, Elisha, Yunus, Zakaria, Yahya, John, Isa, Muhammad.
And it should be ,Adam, Seth, Idris, Nuh, Hud, Saleh, Ibrahim, Luth, Ismail, Is'haq, Isaac, Yaqub, Yusuf, Ayoub, Job, Shoaib, Musa, Harun, Luqman, Samuel, Dhul-Kifl, Daud, Sulaiman, Uzair, Ilyas, Al-Yasa, Elisha, Yunus, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel Zakaria, Yahya, John, Isa, Muhammad. Is that the correct order? Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 18:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes thats right! Thank You! Oh, and is there a way the title can be made Prophets in Islam?
OK I see that you got most of them already. I'm at work and it just got busy so it may take a while. Moving it may not be a good idea as there are a lot of pages linked to it. The prophets not listed in the Qur'an can be marked so people can see that. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 19:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
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June 2010
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Your edits
A Russian icon depicting the prophet Jeremiah (c. 18th Century C.E.), from Kizhi monastery, Russia
You said here that muslims consider daniel a prophet but a minority do not. This is false as he's not mentioned in Quran or the major hadith collections. You created the majority of this Islamic view of Jeremiah page which says that muslims consider Jeremiah a prophet. This is also false as he's not mentioned in any major hadiths or Quran. Here you have linked [1]Dhul-Kifl with ezekiel even though there is no evidence that they are the same person at all. Please be more mindful of your edits and clean up any other undue weight edits you've made. In the Yusha ibn Nun page you also claim he is a prophet. This is all nonsense. To give high importance to such fringe views is unlike an encyclopedia. Thank you. Someone65 (talk) 18:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
You've added a host of other names to [Template:Honoured women in Islam| this] islamic template; figures who have absolutely NOTHING to do with islam, for example;
- Jochebed has absolutely nothing to do with islam
- Zipporah has absolutely nothing to do with islam
you created Islamic view of Elizabeth even though elizabeth is mentioned NOWHERE in the Quran, nor sahih hadiths
you created Islamic view of Sarah even though sarah is mentioned nowhere in the Quran, nor sahih hadiths
you created Islamic view of Hagar even though hagar is mentioned in no quran nor sahih hadith
you created Islamic view of Cain and Abel. Individuals who are not mentuoned in the Quran, nor sahih hadiths, and you use bible references. You used a wikilink as a reference on the same article. This article is ANSOLUTELY NONSENSE
you added Miriam to the template. another person whos not mentioned in Quran nor sahih hadiths.
how is this article She-Camel of God notable for an encyclopedia?
you edit mysteriously anonymously here [5] even though you have an account
User:CambridgeBayWeather had to revert you over several articles where you incorectly link christian saint infoboxes with islam i.e. [6]
most of your edits are either unreferenced or improperly referenced.
etc. etc.
I mentioned such problematic edits to you a month ago but you are still going in the same direction. Your problematic edits are way too many, and its hard for me to keep up with them. It seems like most of your edits are some sort of novel test-drive. Most article you created should be deleted. Someone65 (talk) 03:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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No primary nor secondary references are properly cited. One reference is a wikilink. 2 references are bible verses. The Quran references dont have the names cain nor abel. In other words, this is an uncited article.
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This article violates Wikipedia:Notability policy. There is nobody named sara in the Quran nor sahih hadths. This article was created 2 days ago by a disruptive editor who is notorious for his disruptive edits. Also he uses bible verses for an article about islam as his main points of reference. There are no secondary nor tertiary references either.
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This article violates Wikipedia:Notability policy. There is nobody named elizabethin the Quran nor sahih hadths. This article was created 2 days ago by a disruptive editor who is notorious for his disruptive edits. Also he uses bible verses for an article about islam as his main points of reference. There are no secondary nor tertiary references either. This article is a blatant case of original research, and is completely false
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I recommend you to read Weasel word policy. For example;
here you said "God, in the Qur'an, mentions" even though many people dont believe the Quran was written by God. Wikipedia is not an islamic site. To make it Neutral you should say "the Quran mentions".
Here and here you say that "Most Muslims consider..." but you dont speak for "most" muslims. Instead you should say "ibn kathir considers ..." because some muslims do not regard Ibn Kathirs work as authentic. Someone65 (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I know you are a Sunni, but remember wikipedia readers come from all religious backgrounds. So dont be biased please. You should be neutral and represent the views of all muslims. Some muslims completely reject hadith; they're called Quranists; (See Qur'an alone). So you have to be fair to all viewpoints; including Shias, hadith rejectors, ahmadiyyas etc. Someone65 (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Do you speak for all Islamic sects? DO all Islamic sects agree with Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Samuel being muslims? I would say no
Ibn Kathir is not accepted by all sects. You should take all the following sects under consideration;
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I am 100% uninvolved in any editing issues the two of you may or may not be having; I merely notified you out of courtesy. ANI is the appropiate forum to defend yourself against these accusations. Regards, GiantSnowman13:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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A Russian icon depicting the prophet Malachi (c. 18th Century C.E.), from Kizhi monastery, Russia
You have a pattern of adding tendentious falsehood to wikipedia and violating WP:Verifiability, WP:NPOV and WP:PSTS policies. You never provide third party references for your edits.
Some examples of your inappropriate edits include:
most of your edits include honorific language and words such as "great man", "highly moral", "chaste", "extremely virtuous", "truthful" etc. which is unneeded for an encyclopedia to describe prophets.
But for some reason you feel the need to add these biblical names to templates called women in islam, or Quranic people. You forget that Muslims reject the Bible. Therefore, just because the Bible says 'Elizabeth is the wife of Zacharia' does not mean Islam accepts Elizabeth as the wife of Zachariah. Thoroughly read about adding references before editing again. If you continue your pattern you may be blocked from editing. Stories of the Prophets is fictionally dramatized, thus is not a reliable source. Someone65 (talk) 23:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, Imadjafar. Your edit here removed a maintenance template. Since the edit also added an infobox template to the article, perhaps the removal was inadvertent. If so, don't worry; I've restored it. If the removal was intentional, please be advised it is important to use an edit summary announcing what you're doing, so that other editors aren't left guessing. Specifically in this case, a "refimprove" template shouldn't be removed without either improving the references or noting on the talk page why you think the template is unwarranted. Thanks! Rivertorch (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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Your Muslim Saints template
A Russian icon depicting the prophet Daniel (c. 1800), from Kizhi Monastery in Russia
Hi. There was something peculiar about the Template:Muslim Saints you created: for a reason which I do not understand it was expanding to give a box which talked about motorcycle racing (Moto GP). There was already a Template:Muslim saints, with a small "s", and I have put that into the article Hasan of Basra in place of yours, at the bottom, where it shows as a green bar "Prophets of Islam outside the Qur'an". If that was not what you intended, leave a note here - I will watch this page. I have also asked a question at the WP:Village pump (technical)#Persondate template adding Moto GP? to find out what was the problem with your template. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the Template:Muslim saints which I added to the bottom of Hasan of Basra, as you said it should not be there. I don't know what the problem with the capital "S" version was - something to do with the way Infoboxes work, which is complicated, and which I don't understand, see Help:Infobox - but I have left it as a redirect to the small-"s" version. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Qur'anic people
Hi Imad,
Great job with creating and developing the Qur'anic people template. I notice that you reverted my edit that removed the duplicate links. I'm thinking specifically of the "people of" links that link to the same articles that are linked in the section above. I don't believe that they should be included on the template because navboxes are for linking between related articles, not for conveying information; that is what articles are for. The "people of" entries would be more appropriately placed on the List of Qur'anic figures. Would you object to my removal of the duplicate links on the Qur'anic people template?
Navboxes are complete when they link to all the articles that exist about a particular topic, not when they list all of the different things associated that topic. List of Qur'anic figures should be complete in the way you suggest, but the Qur'anic people template should not. If you want the families to be included on the navbox, I can see two solutions. The first is to combine the links with their duplicates so that they read "Abraham and his people" rather than "Abraham" in one place and "Abraham's people" in another. The other option is to create individual articles about the families. Do you find either of these solutions acceptable?
It might be helpful for me to understand what it is you want these links to signify. By "People of x," do you mean the family of x, the people x preached to, the followers of x, people associated with x, or something else?
I believe I misunderstood your suggestion; I thought that you were suggesting that the targets of the links be changed while the visible words of the links remained the same. If you are suggesting that the text of the links themselves should be changed, that would appear to be an acceptable solution.
That makes sense; Enoch and Ezekiel should stay on the template. I have switched the "Hanzalah" link back to Companions of the Rass so that it will be bolded on that article. Is there any reason you don't want the link to target the article directly?
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