Hi there. Thanks for your comment. This is my first shot at publishing a bio on Wikipedia. Where do you suggest adding a non-primary source? The only primary source I added (to my understanding primary) is Dr. Hayes's UNR faculty biography page. If you have time, I'd love your advice. Thank you! —Adam Hockmana (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Hockmana! Congratulations on getting you draft accepted! However, all of the references are primary or affiliated with the subject. Refs 1, 2, 3, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 are all descriptions of her by places she worked for and by groups that have given her awards. The rest are just papers she's worked on. To show notability in Wikipedia, you must use third-party sources. She is definitely notable per the notability guideline for professors, but the article could use a few more unbiased sources. Happy editing! —asparagusus(interaction)sprouts!15:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback. I added three sources citing Hayes's work in verbal behavior, thinking, and memory. If you have other advice for types of 2nd and 3rd sources, please let me know. I'll adjust my writing moving forward. Also, is it possible for me to add a photo of Linda from Google or I would need to own that photo? Thanks, Adam Hockmana (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You would need to add an image that is copyright free. Google has a tool that can be applied to search for images that are freely licensed. I'll have a look at Flickr, as sometimes there are images with creative commons licenses where a person is, for example, giving a lecture, and a head shot can be extracted from that. Otherwise, WP is extremely strict about copyright infringement because it presents legal liabilities. The google-tool is one of the drop-down menu options under image search. Netherzone (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing on Flickr either. I wouldn't worry about the article not having a photo. I'll add a tag to the talk page requesting one. Sometimes editors who specialize in photo matters will add one. Good luck with your future editing. Netherzone (talk) 20:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Asparagusus, Hmm, that's weird, I wonder what I did incorrectly - I thought I simply clicked on the green "accept" button. I will try to troubleshoot this, and if you have any further advice, I'm all ears!
@Hockmana, please disregard this part of the note above: Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. and continue to create new articles through the Articles for Creation process. Thank you Netherzone (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does this sentence have seven references: Her research focused on behavior theory and philosophy, interbehaviorism, radical behaviorism, verbal behavior, response substitution, rule governance, and animal modeling. One or two independent citations that confirmed the claims would be better. Please try to find secondary sources that are fully independent from her that she is not connected with - what others have said about her. Thank you, Netherzone (talk) 19:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I put all the citations at the end of the sentence (i.e., those seven references each refer to one of the topics in the sentence). I'll place them right after each one. Hockmana (talk) 19:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really necessary to list all those topics. I would suggest selecting one independent, secondary source to back up a sentence that says something like "Her research focuses on a variety of behavioral topics"." WP is an encyclopedia, and a shorter statement is more succinct. All those details belong on her own personal website, faculty page, her LinkedIn page, or Academia.com profile. See WP:NOTRESUME, and WP:CITEKILL (in particular the WP:REFBOMB section. Netherzone (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for your help. What are the next steps for this article? Appreciate you answering all my questions on my first go around of publishing a Wiki page. Hockmana (talk) 20:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome. I left you a message about re: photos of living persons and copyright concerns. The article looks fine as it is, except for the predominance of primary sources. Once that issue is better balanced, then the maintenance tag will be removed. Netherzone (talk) 20:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I tried to provide as many citations as possible for each line. Would it be better for me to use a single primary on a paragraph with info about her. For instance, Linda attended Western Michigan, U of Manatoba, etc. — rather than use a citation from her ABAI bio and her UNR bio, drop one of those citations? Hockmana (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm looking at the Education section, and it seems like the first citation might work for the whole paragraph, as long as it verifies all the claims (facts) that are being made. Then her faculty page citation (the second ref) could be used in a new section, "External links" which you would place below the References section. The paper (the third citation) could go to her list of selected publications. Keep things concise, and streamlined - which works best for the encyclopedia's general readership. Netherzone (talk) 20:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The last part of the Education needs attribution. Does the citation #2 (ABAI) back up the content in the whole paragraph? If so it can be moved to the end of the paragraph itself. Netherzone (talk) 13:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article looks great. Regarding the primary sources maintenance tag, I am wondering if there might be any reviews of her books or journal articles - those would be secondary sources. Netherzone (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alrighty then! Looks great, nice first article, Hockmana. I'll remove the tag in my next edit. Good to meet you here, it's been a really pleasant collaboration. See you around, Netherzone (talk) 15:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks so much for your help. I've learned a lot. Does this article go through another phase or is it published? And do you know how long it takes for Google to index it and show in a search? Thanks. Hockmana (talk) 18:30, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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