Just want to touch base about the SP intro. I like the edit you originally made, changing the description of what the show is. You captured its essence really, really well. Certainly better than the previous version that I wrote. But as far as commas (yes, they're minor) go, I've always used the end comma in a list of 3 or more items. So I'm writing this to hopefully avoid more reverts over commas. (I'll watch your page, so respond here if you choose to do so). Thanks. --Armchair info guy (talk) 00:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the comma business, I do sometimes obsess over tedious things like that for no feasible reason. I promise I shan't make any more such reverts (I'll just have to find something else to direct my psychosis at for a while!). BTW, thank you very much for the kind compliment, I don't think I really did that much to your previous version. --Heslopian (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
While I appreciate your point regarding Robert Mugabe, the edits you made to his article constitute vandalism, and aren’t very helpful to the process of making Wikipedia into an objective and reliable source. Therefore, I must ask you to desist. Thanks. --Heslopian (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by that. I am just trying to revert the vandal edits on the article. I have done nothing more on it. Please re-cehck your thoughts. --Manco Capac (talk) 09:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC) Please also check my edit : [1] than you will see. Please be carefull and check the history of the article before you made a comment. --Manco Capac (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh crap I'm so sorry! I must have clicked on the previous instead of current link. Sorry about that, hope I haven't caused too much trouble. --Heslopian (talk) 15:34, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Could you do other editors a favor and be sure to leave edit summaries when you edit a page? Especially for heavily-vandalized pages, edits that lack summaries really draw suspicion, concern, and even anxiety. Don't stress us out! =) --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really sorry about that, I do try to leave edit summaries but I just keep forgetting. Sorry again if I caused any undue hassle, I promise I'll remember in future. Great username by the way. --Heslopian (talk) 02:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your note, I didn't really do that much. As an avid fan of the whole suspense genre, I have come across his stories before and enjoyed them very much; he has a real eye for detail, and he's also done great work in promoting adult literacy. --Heslopian (talk) 18:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, can you please explain to me why you have drastically shortened those two plot outlines (and maybe others as well) without commenting on it anywhere (edit summary, talk page)? Classified as stubs, they are by definition begging to be expanded again, so what's the point? Also, the three dots at the end of your synopses are not appropriate for encyclopaedia articles. And a minor point, as far as I'm concerned: Has the fact that This Sweet Sickness is your personal favourite influenced your decision to change its rating from "Mid" to "Top" in any way? Best wishes, <KF>20:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding my re-write of the synopsis for the articles you mentioned, I felt that many users might prefer a short, concise outline of the story instead of a long and turgid analysis. As for the lack of an edit summary, I have had trouble remembering those in the past (as you'll see from one of the above messages on this page); I really am sorry if my forgetfulness there caused any big problems, I promise I'll try harder! I've removed the ellipses you mentioned, I guess there just a side effect of my own pretentious nature (I try and make every single sentence seem artistic, sometimes to the detriment of my mental health!). Finally, I changed the article rating because I thought it needed serious improvement, although my partialness to the work probably did play a part in my decision.
Thanks for your answer although it doesn't 100 per cent relate to my questions. First of all, just so that we are not talking at cross purposes, you might want to have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Assessment#Importance_scale: It's the work of literature that is rated ("Top" means "core" topic for literature), not the article, and hardly anyone will seriously claim that School Days is in a league with Lolita, Pride and Prejudice, or War and Peace.
As far as plot summaries are concerned, it's of course true that quality is more important than quantity. However, if you reduce an article from 8,716 bytes to a mere 2,227 bytes some kind of explanation apart from "Many users might prefer a short, concise outline of the story instead of a long and turgid analysis" would be necessary: Many other users might prefer as much information as they can get.
I do see the special problem with articles on crime fiction. Ever since the spoiler warning was abolished here at Wikipedia, I've been very careful not to give away too much in a summary. But again, this is an encyclopaedia, so anyone reading it should be prepared to learn something.
Finally, as I'm certainly not the person to engage in, let alone start, an edit war, I'm not going to revert any of your edits. I keep hoping that anyone really interested in a particular subject will check the revision history and access the more comprehensive version of the article.
I do hope I haven't annoyed you too much, I assure you I also have no intention of engaging in an edit war. If you think my re-writes are really that problematic I'll revert them in an instant, and I apologise if you feel I've ruined your hard work in any way. I just thought that people with an interest in the topic could learn something about it without having any potential surprises ruined for them.
Also, I did seem to be mistaken about the purpose of the article rating; of course I shan't argue that Robert B. Parker belongs on the same pedestal as Jane Austen and Leo Tolstoy! Best wishes, --Heslopian (talk) 01:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed deletion of Death in Purple Prose
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Death in Purple Prose, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:
All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.
The deletion of that article probably would be for the best; it was something I tinkered with for a while but I don't seriously think it's worth inclusion in Wikipedia. --Heslopian (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I added a source, and I also don't appreciate my work being described as "crap", which you did in one of your edit summaries. Would the list be allowed to stay if I created a seperate article for it? --Heslopian (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry about that. I did not know that you entered the whole list or that any one person entered the list. I assumed that the list just gathered over time through single editors. The list would be a good thing if we have reliable sources describing persons as recluses. As long there are no sources they can't be entered, whether in its own list or as attached to an article. Best, --brewcrewer(yada, yada)14:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So if I found a reliable source for each person on the list, it would comply with policy and not be deleted? By the way, I didn't write the whole list, I just seperated it into alphabetical sections and added a short description beside a lot of the entries. --Heslopian (talk) 14:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How do you change the world? You can start by writing an incredible article for the world's encyclopedia. Moni3 kicks it old school again with Stonewall riots - a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969 at the Stonewall Inn. [...] [T]hey have become the defining event that marked the start of the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world. It's a featured article hitting the mainpage this Sunday to mark the 40th anniversary of the events. So first off, wow! Clever and cool. Moni3 has been recently named hottest delegate to Obama's bookclub but that may not be official yet. (Shhh!)
Otto4711 mentioned that gee we really should swamp the DYK section with LGBT-related articles for use on the 28th as well. We have eight or so in the holding area and if you push yourself to get an article together you might be able to get in on the fun. Do this now!
The official rules for DYKs can be found here. Once you have expanded an article 5-fold or created an article with at least 1,500 characters of prose, place your DYK thread here. Use this handy tool to count your 1,500 characters. As a suggestion, when you add your potential hook, include the character count and a link to the source(s) that confirm the hook. These will be confirmed anyway but may help.
The layout for the individual quotes is here (just copy/paste into one of the red links on Portal:Transgender/Random quote). Then this counter has to be upped to match the new # of total quotes (not counting quote zero).
Obama proclamation
On June 1, President Barack Obama declared June 2009 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, citing the riots as a reason to "commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans". Excerpts at the bottom.
F*ck me I'm famous
I was interviewed by Wikipedia Signpost, the weekly in-house newsletter, for the WikiProject report. The Signpost has nearly 1,000 Wikipedian subscribers and arguably many of those folks actually read it. It came about rather quickly and my worst fears - that it was an elaborate hoax by a troll - were apparently unfounded. I hope y'all feel I did fine by the project, I did my best to avoid the phrase "man-humping, cock-sucking, doggy-style loving queer" but otherwise did ok.
Free image appeal
A friendly reminder to consider taking photos while you're out and about at various Dyke marches and Pride parades. Consider donating them to the world at Wikicommons. I'm sooo totally over having to deal with lovely images being deleted and argued about. If they are just free they are then also freely usable worldwide. And no, they don't need photos of your cha-cha or hoo-hoo-dilly.
Sonny and Cher's daughter was a famous lesbian and now he's a famous transman, possibly the most famous in the world. This also serves as a friendly reminder that we recently updated Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines - it's not perfect but should help inform on those gnip-gnop battles that do seem to drag on, and not in the good way.
As part of the redecorating at our talkpage, the article alerts and keyword search alerts are handily located at the top of the page. Always fascinating to see what's up. All help appreciated on those.
Glambert
Adam Lambert is soooo gay - surprised? Neither is anyone else. Nuff said. David Ogden Stiers was outed but apparently he wasn't terribly in either.
The LGBT studies project does have its own free Internet Relay Chat channel, #wikipedia-en-lgbtconnect, for coordination, collaboration and socializing. This channel is hosted on Freenode and can be accessed in one of two ways: If you already have an IRC client, click the link to the left. If you do not have an IRC client, you'll need to get one installed on your computer first. Once you've done this, then click on the link to the left.
For more general information on IRC and a listing of other useful Wikipedia-related channels, see Wikipedia:IRC channels.
The project had at one point another channel at #LGBTprojectconnect but as the original people associated with the setting up and administration of that channel have seemed to have disappeared, this new channel has been set up. Plus the new channel is inline with required naming conventions for Wikipedia related IRC channels. So, feel free to use this channel. Such a channel gives opportunity to discuss the latest happening on articles, the LGBT project itself, latest happening in your life with "wiki-friends" here, etc.. You can say things on there you normally wouldn't here on Wikipedia (keeping it civil of course) like talk about the latest hot guy/girl or tell a joke.. you get the point. Anyway, see you there - eventually!
LGBT to-do list (held over from last edition)
Give out more barnstars, and let each other know that what they're doing is valued.
Create a guide to stave off burnout, because editors in this project get burned out faster than others. There are many hills to climb.
Bring back the monthly collaboration project.
Participate in LGBT Peer reviews.
Get familiar with the characteristics of Good Articles and get our top priority articles to WP:GA.
Use the Newsletter, Moni3! You can suggest what to send out in the newsletter, too!
Offer research materials, copy editing, ideas, and support to your fellow editors.
Keep the project talk page informed of problems and discussions we should know about.
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There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities. [I]n both the White House and the Federal agencies -- openly LGBT employees are doing their jobs with distinction and professionalism. [...] LGBT youth should feel safe to learn without the fear of harassment, and LGBT families and seniors should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect. At the international level, I have joined efforts at the United Nations to decriminalize homosexuality around the world. Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans. These measures include enhancing hate crimes laws, supporting civil unions and Federal rights for LGBT couples, outlawing discrimination in the workplace, ensuring adoption rights, and ending the existing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in a way that strengthens our Armed Forces and our national security. [...] As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. [...] I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists. - Barack Obama, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month, 2009, The White House (June 1, 2009).
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Sorry to disappoint you lol! I personally think that the work is rather brilliant, but then I am very partial to detective fiction. --Heslopian (talk) 05:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Took a chance and read it. Enjoyable. Quite British (except for a bit - which I suspect was something else in the British edition - about a White House Commission on Morals). Glad I read it, but think its importance is now correct. Thanks for a pleasant detour in my reading! (John User:Jwytalk) 04:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My pleasure! I suppose it is very British, especially in it's acidic depiction of a dysfunctional aristocratic family. In my edition it's referred to as the Downing Street Commission on Morals. Did you guess the murderer before the end? --Heslopian (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated R. N. Taber, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. N. Taber. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Hi Heslopian. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. If you are interested, you might consider creating a page for a major city (or cities!) near you, with a list of LGBT-related articles that need to be created or improved. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! --Another Believer(Talk)16:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What?Wiki Loves Pride, a campaign to document and photograph LGBT culture and history, including pride events
When?June 2015
How can you help?
1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here
2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Wikipedia articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see examples from last year)
Or, view or update the current list of Tasks. This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. Visit the group's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome!
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/How to Host a Murder until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mabalu (talk) 12:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As a participant of WikiProject LGBT studies, you are invited to participate in the third annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign, which runs through the month of June. The purpose of the campaign is to create and improve content related to LGBT culture and history. How can you help?
Create or improve LGBT-related Wikipedia pages and showcase the results of your work here
Document local LGBT culture and history by taking pictures at pride events and uploading your images to Wikimedia Commons
Looking for topics? The Tasks page, which you are welcome to update, offers some ideas and wanted articles.
This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. The group's mission is to develop LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. Visit the affiliate's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome! If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's talk page.
Hello Heslopian! Follow the Wikimedia LGBT user group on Twitter at @wikilgbt for news, photos, and other topics of interest to LGBT Wikipedans and allies. Use #wikiLGBT to share any Wiki Loves Pride stuff that you would like to share (whether this month or any day of the year) or to alert folks to things that the LGBT Wikipedan community should know. RachelWex (talk)
For more information about Wiki Loves Pride, → click here ←.
The Wikimedia LGBTQ+ User Group is holding online working days in May. As a member of WikiProject LGBT studies, editing on LGBTQ+ issues or if you identify as part of the LGBTQ+ community, come help us set goals, develop our organisation and structures, consider how to respond to issues faced by Queer editors, and plan for the next 12 months.
We will be meeting online for 3 half-days, 14–16 May at 1400–1730 UTC. While our working language is English, we are looking to accommodate users who would prefer to participate in other languages, including translation facilities.
Hello. FYI, I've had a userbox created for me, and I thought it might be of interest since you were involved with the WikiProject Novels/Crime task force. It says "This user reads Hard-boiled detective fiction" and the code to implement it is:
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