en User talk:HereToHelp Archive 5

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My Userpage

Not exactly sure what happened while I was gone, you think you can help me fix it? --GorillazFan Adam 23:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Not usre what you mean; it hasn't changed since May 31.--Here T oHelp 01:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, well thats strange, I must be the only one that can see it than, my userboxes are not aligned to the right, instead they are in the middle of the page, but I guess if no one else can see it it shouldn't be a problem.--GorillazFan Adam 02:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Try adjusting the size and shape of your browser window. Did you change anything on your computer, such as scrren resolution, that could alter they layout?--Here T oHelp 02:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Nope, still nothing.--GorillazFan Adam 02:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Weird.--Here T oHelp 03:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

iPod revert

Well then, what are the "60&nbsp:GB" for?? Scoutersig 00:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It's formatting. It doesn't show up that way. I know there's just a space there...but I'm sure there's a reason. Ask around on the talk page.--Here T oHelp 02:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Great userpage

I give you this userpage award for the best userpage I have ever seen. Josen 20:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like your take on this

I've been 'bugged' by my hot button issue of the default skin hiding categories from the user for around two months, and this related thing punched the button pretty much dead center as the same point has been nagging at me as is made by the originator. Seems to me a VP listing ought be made on both, as it were, by at least a mention 'synopsis' with link, and the common debate on kept this page. This seems preferable, as both VP:Technical and VP:policy are certainly apropo venues for a link posting, and I think we've all seen some of the bad effects of the current trend. This point made by the originator is sparse, but on point and imho, important. By keeping the discussion there, it can be similarly referenced on other BB's (Meta for one), and there are a few others. I'm much too focused on wikiEditing to keep up with all the discussion forums, so where should it go, should it be given a seperate venue (Yet another 'proposed guideline'!), or what? In sum, seems to me the 'Internal links' section with such a category template would solve both problems with minimal edit dislocation.

My confidence is high that a structural problem in presentation is present under current standards (editorial guidelines), but my crystal ball shattered some years back <g>, so I can't measure it's severity there and it's hard to gauge it's exact magnitude using anything but inductive reasoning. Personally, I rarely visit the nether regions of a web-page, and admittedly tend to attribute that to other 'oldsters' as well. I guess the key question is: If one is reading casually, what reason have they, 'our customer-readers' for looking lower down past the references? Advice? Best regards! // FrankB 15:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

btw

Over on the commons, one of the bureaucrats suggests registering an old name so someone else can't use it for impersonation of you. The same has been suggested to me about my signature, since it's different string than my user name, alà User:MgM. On the way to the above, I tried your user name in all lower case, and would suggest you do the same with those permutations of 'T' and 'H'... with apropo redirects, as I've done for my IP, for example. (I didn't do so fast enough, so now someone [mainly inactive, thankfully] uses my sig name as a user name... I missed by a few days or so when I finally acted!) Best! // FrankB 15:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Draft 5 Archive

Hello, I am working on a new skin for MediaWiki and I was inspired by what seems to be your homepage design. I was just wondering if you created Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft/Draft 5 Archive and if you didn't (or even if you did) who else should I credit? (BTW, I used this design on my wiki Main Page at http://theplaz.com) Thanks --michael180 20:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I can use a bit of advice

Hi! User_talk:Xoloz#Small_World Take a peek and suggest ways and means if you would. Thanks // FrankB 20:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

NewUser needs input

Newbie User_talk:Rdengrove#2 contacted me[1] about a large rewrite he did on Mephistopheles, and I plead 'ignorance', save for superficial passing familiarity. If you've got some knowledge in the area (or perhaps, instead on or about 'Faust'), or just want to be 'welcoming', see if you can lend a hand. Thanks! // FrankB 16:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Possible public domain image? Help needed

Hello HereToHelp! Can you help me identify whether Image:Urifink.jpg is truly public domain? The uploader explains that it was taken from the Hebrew Wikipedia. I saw a public domain tag on the image description page there, but can't tell why it is public domain. (We need the reason in order to assign a suitable rationale on the image description.) Thanks in advance for your help. --Kimchi.sg 15:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

There's no source on the Hebrew Wikipedia. See if you can find it on Google and locate a source. Other than that, I'm stumped.--Here T oHelp 15:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Universe Daily

I'd like to get my username Universe Daily back. It was banned by some person calling itself Reaverdrop. Is this possible? I promise not to try and participate any more or get angry at this annoying person. I'll wait until I've absorbed all the endless pages of rules before trying to edit anything important. I still can't understand why peoople like him are allowed to bully newbies but life is too short to waste on those sorts of individuals. This place is impossible to comprehend in a single day but the front page invitation for anyone to edit seemed straightforward enough. Even the first page of the Introduction says to be bold and experiment with almost any page. For my efforts in that regard I've seen hours of work summarily deleted, been accused of spamming for my trouble and even been labelled a vandal. I frankly give up for now. I just want a second chance to read through the rules and be allowed to correct glaring spelling errors and grammatical mistakes. Then in a month or two when I've read the endless pages of legislation I might consider trying to write an article again. Universedaily 00:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The problem is this "tit for tat" business. Deleting articles or userpages doesn't do you any good because they are stored in the page history. Also, the personal attacks need to stop—no profanity, no insults. If people are mean to you, don't be mean back but instead rise above it—and that works everywhere.--Here T oHelp 02:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm back. After looking over a few pages I think I can see what started this tiff between me and Reaverdrop. He called me a Vandal and Spammer. I took this rather personally but its obvious to me now that you call anybody disagreeing with administrators or moderators a "Vandal" or "Spammer". I was banned after returning the compliment by calling him a Vandal, which seems a bit unfair. I've posted my findings at the discussion of the 5 pillars for whatever they are worth. Attacking newbies in this fashion will never accomplish anything except to make Wiki universally hated and I suggest you stop using such terminology. To me a Vandal is some cretin who spray paints trains or smashes a public lavatory. If somebody was to call me a "Vandal" in the street then I'd likely hospitalise him. UniverseDaily 03:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

My advice is just to look over the "Working with others" guidelines on the Community Portal. You don't have to psychoanalyze them, just skim them and read the "policy in a nutshell". Use common sense and when something is bad, don't make it worse.--Here T oHelp 18:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I never expected my edits to last forever. I fully accept that others can edit my edits. Similarly there should be no problem with my further editing those pages. But there was. I was banned. Proving that the administration can do whatever it likes and the rest of us just have to put up with it. However, the front page does not say "the encyclopedia anybody can edit 'subject to reading myriad rule pages'. The words "please first read the introduction" upon starting a new page is up for interpretation. I assumed the operative word there to be 'please' which infers a choice in the matter. It comes across not as an order but rather a request. Not having much time available I therefore chose to ignore it. I don't need my old account back to correct typo's but I resent the fact that my user pages abusively label me a Vandal and I would therefore like controlover them returned to me so I can edit out this libelous accusation posted by some administrator who I completely disagree with over this matter. I am perfectly willing to behave calmly with others at the site and I find such a claim by 'JesseW, the juggling janitor' quite insulting. In every case where I have acted out of accordance with your volumes of legislation it is because I was not aware of these rules. Where I have abused others it was always in response to personal attacks that they initiated. I find the term 'Vandal' in particular a highly charged insult. Vandals are the miscreants who break windows and steal street signs. As an ex-security guard and customs officer I regard such name calling as rather petty and pathetic. I have now read enough of your rule pages to have absorbed the basic outline of your dictatorship's fundamental guidelines. Please unban all of my usernames including UniverseToday and I promise to turn the other cheek to all further insults from your staff. I am perfectly willing to forgive their reprehensible behaviour if this small request is taken care of. Universedaily 00:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, alright: Universe Daily has been unblocked. --Here T oHelp 01:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

eMac

Thanks for the note, should be all updated now. -- grm_wnr Esc 10:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem.--Here T oHelp 18:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking for some advice.

Hi HereToHelp, I just created my first new page Anasarca (band) and want to check to make sure if I'm going to attempt to create new articles, that I'm doing it right and not breaking any rules. I also noticed that in creating the page, Anasarca was already existing, so I added the template to the top saying "this article is about blah blah blah, if you're looking for blah blah blah, go here" since there's only 2 articles regarding Anasarca.

Please check it out and leave me a note on my talk page to let me know how I did, any constructive critisism would be welcomed. I've been spending numerous hours trying to get the whole format down and wiki markup - so any help would be appriciated.

I'm also looking for a place that other wikipedians talk. Weather it's about help, or a new page, or anything really. I haven't really been able to find a place where people converse about new articles, ideas, etc. I've found numerous pages regarding specific help topics, community portal, etc - but it doesn't seem to me that a page exists that is frequently looked at and talked on... I dunno. I guess I'm looking for a page that I can check frequently to help other people, add to new articles, find things to do, etc.

Any help would be appriciated.

--Keitaro 05:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey just wanted to point you to my Anasarca (band) page again - it seems as if someone, User Foosoo, decided that he was going to remove all the discography information - and that's his only edit. Wondering if it could be reverted. Thanks! Keitaro 06:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Antimac

This one needs banning, was warned on July 6 about vandalism and has continued. — Wackymacs 11:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and this one: User:Antimacintosh, just vandalized my page, already been warned by User:RN. — Wackymacs 19:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Libya

Please feel free to evaluate the Libya article which has become a 'Featured Article Candidate' and write your support or opposition on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Hopefully Libya will become only the second African country to be featured on Wikipedia. Thanks --User:Jaw101ie 12:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking User:Universe Daily

In unblocking this user, were you aware of the long history at Wikipedia:Requests_for_investigation/Archives/2006/06#Registered_users? —Centrx→talk • 06:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I was not. If he should be re-blocked, please do so for me.--Here T oHelp 14:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Alive?

Are you still alive? The WP:MAC wikiproject mac is pretty dead...I just nominated Apple II family as the current collaboration. The Steve Jobs article didn't get anywhere fast... — Wackymacs 13:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

You mean physically or Wiki-wise? Yeah, I agree that the Mac project is dead...unless you want to really put some effort into it, streamline the bureacracy, and focus on the articles (see my essay). Forget the Mac Collaboration, maybe even the Portal, if it doesn't serve the encyclopedia, because that's what we're here for. (Ever notice how the longer you stay here the more deletionist you get?) And forget nominations, just do it (that was your original idea, wasn't it?) I also think we need a references section of the project: various websites we can get information from. (Apple.com only has pages about current projects; how about something that gives us info on the older models?) Still, I'm up for it if you are.--Here T oHelp 14:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Also...I believe it should be called the Apple wikiproject, not Mac...I think it causes some confusion on what we're here to work on. The portal is nice, but I can't be bothered to keep it updated, I also don't think its popular. The collaboration is dead. So just the main wikiproject page I originally created should be kept...and seriously streamlined and redone I think. — Wackymacs 14:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Is Wikipedia:Wikiproject Apple okay, or do we need to distinguish from the fruit?--Here T oHelp 16:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess it will be Wikipedia:WikiProject Apple Computer. :) — Wackymacs 16:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC) Oh, and the shortcut i guess we could keep as WP:MAC of course. — Wackymacs 16:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

If we're redoing this we should probably give some thought to naming conventions. Frankly, I say move Apple Macintosh to Macintosh and move the stuff that's there to a disambig page—all but one of those is not spelled exactly like "Macintosh". And Wikiproject Apple is fine, so long as we explain it in the opening paragraph of the project page.Here T oHelp 17:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep...and Apple II family is being moved to Apple II series. I'm not sure who on earth chose these weird article names in the first place, at least its being put right now. — Wackymacs 17:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Then I take it it's safe to be bold and move Apple Macintosh? (And what about something like Apple (company)?)--Here T oHelp 17:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

uh lets not go too far...company articles have the same name as the company, so for Apple's case "Apple Computer. — Wackymacs 17:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it legally Apple Computer? (If so, leave it.) But what about the Mac?--Here T oHelp 17:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is legally Apple Computer, but of course its most popularly known as Apple, but Apple isn't the real name of the company. The mac one should be moved to Macintosh and other stuff to Macintosh (disambiguation) i guess. — Wackymacs 17:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll put up the notices then and give it a few days. Now for the project...--Here T oHelp 17:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess we'd have to run a bunch of stuff through the deletion process; it would be best to do that as a batch order at WP:MFD. I'll start making a basic project page. As for the members...I've only seen you, User:grm wnr, and myself actively helping; I'd say we should trim the list back extensively. (Speaking of grm wnr, we should probably get his imput on this.)--Here T oHelp 17:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Today I actually left a message for every single project member on their Talk page, telling them about the latest collaboration. so far, a few have started working on the Apple II series page (yes, i did the move, w00t). — Wackymacs 18:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Not on grm wnr's page...but oh well.--Here T oHelp 18:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

He doesn't list himself as an active member, does he? And he only really ever did those timelines, not much actual context editing or cleanups. — Wackymacs 18:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, okay, but those timelines are valuable.--Here T oHelp 18:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I hate to do this to you but I have to be away from my computer for the next 24 hours or so. I'll help out when I get back.--Here T oHelp 18:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

No prob, I will be away for 5 days next week anyway. — Wackymacs 18:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

iPod

Yes, I know that user personally, he specializes in Apple history. I told him he should edit more at Wikipedia to improve some of the articles here. — Wackymacs 06:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Great then. Never mind.--Here T oHelp 11:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:165.139.252.252

This one seriously needs blocking for good, he keeps vandalizing articles (including iPod). If he is already blocked, sorry for bothering you. — Wackymacs 12:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

He's not; and he ~~does~~ did need to be blocked. By the way, the Apple Macintosh move discussion is about dead. Should we go ahead and move it?--Here T oHelp 23:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you can go ahead and move it based on the discussions. — Wackymacs 19:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Damn

Some idiot changed the IPod article to be called "The iPod", that's a crap name for an article...furthermore...it's broken the peer review links on the Talk page. Can you fix this? — Wackymacs 19:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone fixed it, phew. — Wackymacs 14:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

ktip images

Hey, just wanted to let you know that Image:Crystal Clear Ktip.png has been replaced by Image:Crystal Clear app ktip.png and you will probably want to update your pages/templates. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Apple

This is to inform you that the project page listed above currently does not have any listed members. This is not good, as projects with no listed members are eligible for deletion. Please sign yourself onto the project if you want it to continue. Badbilltucker2 18:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's dead. I'm sorry but it is.--Here T oHelp 00:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Article Referencing Drive

Steam engine, an article you voted for, has been selected to be the Article Referencing Drive! Start finding sources! —this is messedrocker (talk) 22:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Breakout/Jobs Issue

I would like the information put back please, I was not available for the discussion as I'm on vacation until Tuesday. I have provided several sources, and think its rediculous that an anonymous poster can bully correct information out of a wiki page. Especially when he's provided no reference to the contrary. He's doing the same thing at the Breakout entry as well. --Marty Goldberg 22:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Now let's not get too hasty about him being an anon. What are your sources? Sources can be POV, too, so to establish it as a fact, rather than an allegation, we'll have to have them from both Atari and Apple/Jobs. I don't want to get involved with Breakout, so you'll just have to provide superior sources. (Just a thought: imagine if every single statement underwent this much review!) --Here T oHelp 23:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

The sources were provided on the talk page. They include Alan Alcorn's (project manager and the person who signs off on all expenses) statements, Woz's own statement in his book iWoz, and two well known (among video game historian and researchers) statements. Again I find this completely ridiculous that someone anonymous can just blow in (and I mean recently), have no contributions what so ever to any related subject matter (computers, Apple, video games) save this continued edit, provide no references to the contrary, and be taken seriously. I'm not new here, have a long list of contributions on the subject, am a recognized expert and writer in the video game history field, and yet I'm going through this even when he had been provided with references. And believe me, it wouldn't surprise me if every single statement had to go through this much review. I'm constantly coming up against situations like this, and its enough to make me want to quit contributing. --Marty Goldberg 23:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyone can edit, and that's a foundation issue. You can't attack because he's an anon, and he can't attack you because you are affiliated with Atari. We need to leave our POVs at the door and work to create a better encyclopedia. Now that the statement is sourced, the article is that much better off.--Here T oHelp 00:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you're missunderstanding me, I was not attacking him because he simply was anonymous. I'm fully aware anyone can edit, and have seen some very valuable contributions by anonymous people. There's also the flipside of anonymous people who don't provide valuable contributions and just blow in anonymously, cause havok in an entry, and leave. My problem was that he was an anonymous person taking a position of authority and and unwillingness to listen (a "pissing contest" if you will), when he would not provide references or background to substantiate such claims. I could have even taken his position as a little more credible (and non-argumentative) if he had been contributing to other articles on related subjects. But as it was, he simply has a list of music related edits and this one Breakout related edit on the Steve Jobs and Breakout page that he kept reverting and providing no references - just trying to put the onus on everyone else. All that combined with the fact that he was doing this anonymously under two different IP's is what the problem was, and I see him as part of that flip side I mentioned. Not that he was simply an anonymous contributor. I don't really see what he was doing (and I've seen a lot of that here) as a contributor or an editor. But to each their own. --Marty Goldberg 00:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I understand the distinction. But it's resolved now.--Here T oHelp 00:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Good!

Sorry about the misplacement. Please strike it or move it. --Profero 08:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It's fine. Your not the first one to post an off-topic message on that page.--Here T oHelp 12:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Edwin Armstrong

Hi, support my nom. for Armstrong (FM radio developer) on AID. [2] RomeoVoid 00:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Marine sextant.svg

"If you get an svg, change this to support." Well, finally a good svg version has appeared... - Alvesgaspar 23:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Advice

Hi HereToHelp. I s'pose I'm messaging you because of your helpful moniker. I've started my own wiki project and am looking for wiki-savvy folks to contribute (don't worry - I'm not pitching to you!). Rather, I'm interested in discovering where on the internet one can find an appropriate forum to say: "Wiki-people Wanted." I've posted my project on the mediawiki index and www.mwusers.com (mediawiki forum) but the traffic on those pages is nonexistant! How do people get wiki content creators to get a project off the ground? I know this is not exactly wikipedia-related, so any response is appreciated. You just seem like a person who knows their way around the wiki-world. Thanks! Jonathan Stokes 05:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem! I'd recommend putting it on the appropriate section of Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board. Use this link: [3]. It's templated in to the Community Portal, which gets a lot of traffic. I appreciate you wanting to contribute so much, and I really hope your WikiProject is successful.--Here T oHelp 00:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much!! Jonathan Stokes 03:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Serious Help Needed

Hi, I was directed to your page by a friend User:Wizardry Dragon, because I am facing a serious problem. Actually these days I am some what busy with an examination so I can not concentrate that much on Wikipedia but I definitely keep an eye on one article which is close to my heart and i.e. Marwat. This article is about our clan and I am continuously trying to brush up and improve this article. The problem that I am facing is by a User:A M. Khan who has created several sock puppets and is continuously trying to push certain POV in the above mentioned article on Marwat. I have filed a case about his Sock Puppetry at WP:RFCU and am waiting for the decision. You can also check some of the details of his sock puppetry and vandalization over there. Meanwhile I thought that I should also let you know that this user has created other accounts by the names of User:Ghazni Khel, User:Lakki Marwat, User:Begu Khel, IP Address 203.175.64.10, and IP Address 210.56.14.139. You could see the similarity of edits and clear support for the POV entries of main account User:A M. Khan.

You know what, I am 100% positive that by tomorrow he is definitely going to follow me over here as well when he sees in my contributions page that I visited your Talk Page and then he will leave a similar massage so as to confuse you.

Please consider these facts that this main user was earlier on blocked by User:The JPS for using abusive language and continuous vandalization and POV entries to the same article on Marwat. It all now boils down to the fact that he wants to add the name of a non entity (known as Akhtar Munir Marwat, who is a petty civil servant in Government of Pakistan) to the article on Marwat and who does not fulfill the criteria of WP:BIO. I pointed this out to him on the discussion page of Marwat but instead he became abusive and told me to hold the stick (reference to penis) of that person. Everyday he vandalizes this page (his talk page suggests that he has been several times warned for doing so in past as well by various administrators) and since I am not an administrator therefore, I simply warn him for doing so (by now he has done it more than 100 times). So much so that he tried to create a separate page for this non-entity but which was immediately nominated for AFD and was deleted after consensus [4]. He tried to recreate the same page but which was deleted once again. Please stop this person and his sock puppets as his acts are eating out my precious time during my examination. I will be really really obliged for your help. --Marwatt 03:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I can support Marwatt on this one, HereToHelp, though I apologize if my referral causes you any stress. The user was edit-warring against Marwatt's changes on the article, and I reverted it. Since then I have had some dialogue with both, and it only seems to have gotten worse, so if you could do something, it would be most appreciated. Thanks -- ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 18:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Many many things to say and to share, alongwith some serious complaints

I am very glad to see above application, place by my wiki-mate User:Marwatt, demanding for serious help.

Respected Administrator, I have nothing to say against User:Marwatt on personal basis, nor would like to discuss any, even if I have.

I would like you to really help him but would like to make an enormous plea to make Justice with his request, especially while making decission against me (if any). I alsowould like you to give me a chance to defend myself. As by the grave of God I am clear and clean except being guilty for some minor mistakes that were committed earlier, I would like you to give me a chance to defend myself and let me prove you the real respoinsble person for his "kind deeds" that he "awarded" wikipedia.

I can also design many stories like my fellow User:Marwatt did but I am having the strong faith that ""Truth wins atlast"

Thanking you in anticipation,

Your wiki-mate and Begger of Justice A M. Khan 18:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I googled Akhtar Munir Khan, and no results came up that had all three words together. However, I should note that both of you are probably biased, since Marwatt (the user) is editing Marwatt (the article), and I think it's safe to assume that A. M. Khan (the user) is A. M. Khan (the person). Considering you don't bring up any specific Google hits (sorry), I don't think it qualifies as notable. That being said, and assuming the good faith of all parties involved, you should be able to work things out.--Here T oHelp 22:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your Google search. Now at least you know that who A M Khan is and that why is he pushing the POV entry. Having said that, let me tell you that I am not biased at all. I have no objection to a genuine and worthy edit to article on Marwat or for that matter of fact to any article on Wikipedia. My repeated requests to User:A M. Khan on several discussion pages are a proof of that. I was always civil and courteous and never crossed the boundaries of decency. I always pointed out the relevant policies of Wikipedia to him and I always tried to warn him of the consequences. And what did I get in reply was abusive language, and repeated offers to settle this matter on MSN. Anyway, I wish you could see his real motive. --Marwatt 02:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I never said you had a bias, only that one was possible. You did the right thing to be courteous and cite relevant policy. (One thing I've learned is that subtle POV pushing is a lot more annoying that blatant vandalism.)--Here T oHelp 03:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Here T oHelp 1Thanks for taking lot of your time in searching and googling Akhtar Munir Khan as he is one of notable Marwats and proud of Marwat tribe, he uses Marwat at the end of his name mostly. This even proves his notability more by being called for his nation. After I searched for him in google as "Akhtar Munir Marwat", I found plenty of links that shows his notability, his popularity and his designations. He is even Honouraray secretary and chief Pilot of Peshawar Flying Club, the largest and oldest Private Flying Club of Pakistan. You may visit the following links.

http://www.google.com.pk/search?hl=en&q=Akhtar+Munir+Marwat&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Here you wiill come to know how popular is the person. Anyhow, I still would like to make a plea that whenever you are going to make any further decission, evenm after watching the above quoted link, I would like you to give me chance to share many other things that relates to this. You will then come to know that Wikipedia is Personalpedia for User:Marwatt who edits wikipedia for personal use, like it is his personal and exclusive property. Anyhow, I still have sympathy and kind feelings for him. One day he will be guilty for whatever he is doingon WP, as he is an intelligent person I think. He can work too much for Wikipedia, if he leaves personalism.

You wiki-Mate and Begger of Justice, Regards, A M. Khan 08:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me interfare among you three.

Let me have the honour to interfare among you, addressing specially to User:HereToHelp. Please re-search with Akhtar Munir Marwat or replace Akhter with Akhtar. I gurantee you will find many of matches. I am politically an ally to User:Marwat but will support User:A M. Khan on the cause of Notable Marwats. Please re google and then reply. Ali Begu Khel

Hey dude (User:A M. Khan, I am specifically talking to User:HereToHelp and I know that you would somehow barge in), what about this strange entry on top of my comment. Don't you think this is sock puppetry. That’s what I am pointing to. Unfortunately, the Clerks at WP:RFCU want me to do the whole homework for them, so they for the time being can not determine such blatant sock puppetry. I hope you could do something about it. Cheers --Marwatt 22:29, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes; that does appear to be sock puppetry. The anonymous user who made it also made this edit. (He also used the "+" tab at the top of the page to make it, did A. M. Khan when logged in. To keep the discussion continuous I have changed it to a lower header.) It may be the case that the person in question is indeed notable, but the techniques used to put his name in the article are suspect at best. So the issue boils down to the editing and behavior policies vs. the notability guidelines. The only precedent I can think of is 3RR, which applies even when you are right. Therefore, A. M. Khan's actions of sock puppetry on multiple occasions is deplorable. However, I cannot withhold accurate, notable information from an article becuse of the way it was added. You two should civilly discuss the matter on the article's talk page to determine the notability (Google rankings aside). I hate to reward bad behavior, but I'd probably take the Inclusionist stance. However, I am unqualified to engage in a content-oriented discussion. A. M. Khan, consider yourself warned against acts of sock puppetry. If you do not heed this warning, stricter action will be taken.--Here T oHelp 02:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Inshort, I would like to make a single comment for you both, regarding myself and Sock Puppetry, below.

I would like you both to try your best to prove that I used the above claimed sock-puupet

I don't know what makes you think that I am using a sock-puppet that is even not an ISP (of Pakistan) where I am at the moment.

This will surely do nothing but make me annoy, as it seems to be a dictatorship more then being civil to me, as per Wikipedia Policy.

Once again, User:HereToHelp, I assure you that I am not the abov claimed person who at the end wrote his name "Ali Begu Khel". It might be a wicked and depraved act of my fellow User:Marwatt. It seems that he is using the same I.D.

User:HelpToHelp. once again, I assure I am not that person, but as you are here to help, then you must trace out the roots from where that IPs logs in.

Beside this, I found no guilty in claiming that I used a second I.D on WP. From the day I knew it is against the policy of WikiPedia, I never looged in form that I.D again.

As the topic is concerned, once again, I would like to appeal that whenever any one is going to make a decission kindly inform me about the charges upon me, I will for sure for sure clear those. Truth Wins Atlast.

User:HereToHelp, what should I do? Except feeling guilty?

User:FayssalF, I am guilty for past, but don't want to be sorry for tomorrow.

What should I call it, a dilemma or Catch-22 of our nation?

It is strange that User:Marwatt never wanted to discuss or talk about the relevant article(s) specifically Marwat. He always wanted to skip-off from dicsussing the disputes of the articles but he tried to impose and started trying banning, blocking, preventing the user whoever write against his macthings.

I never compromises on my conscience, that is always a supporter of truth, eventhough my mind and heart sometimes oppose and reflects basics of my coinscience but still conscience wins atlast.

I will leave the Wikipedia for whole of my life, if it satisfies my fellow User:Marwatt, so it would be easy for him to be a Dictator here as there will be no opposition left for him. But kindly don't force a lie to win.

Just make an appeal here, I will leave Wikipedia, but can't see the insult of "truth" and respect of "lies" here.

I admitt my mistakes and guilt in past, I am extremely sorry for it, kindly forgive me all.

Regards,

A M. Khan 07:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Note* Copy sent to User:Marwatt, User:FayssalF.

Can someone help me out here. What the heck is he saying? Man he sure is obsessed with this guy (Akhtar Munir Marwat). I don't know how to bridge the "perception gap" that exists between his thinking and the reality. Can someone please help me out over here.--Marwatt 14:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's confusing. I'll forgive any acts of sock puppetry up until now, provided that neither of you engage in it further. With behavior problems out of the way, you should be able to add the information as you normally would - through constructive, unbiased editing.--Here T oHelp 20:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Userbox

This user thinks that vandals should be exterminated one way...or another.

This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. Any chance of you starting a WikiProject:Saltthevandals? --Shrieking Harpy......^Talk^|^Count 03:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

No, sorry. You're welcome to copy the box, however.--Here T oHelp 02:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding a picture

Hi,

I have a picture I think would add greatly to the Bonfire article and would also be a great featured picture. Here it is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bonfire_inferno.jpg

Is there any chance you could add it to the nomination list, I failed completely to work out how to do it!

Thanks

Matt

Have you looked at this page yet? (Also, be sure to sign your posts by putting ~~~~ at the end.)--Here T oHelp 22:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Geometry/Related portals

I noticed your changes to Portal:Geometry/Related portals. Thank you! I know you are HereToHelp. lol. But how did you do it? Is there some kind of template for making it? If so, what? I would really like to know. 'FL a RN' (talk) 15:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I just took the code from another portal and put in the right links...--Here T oHelp 17:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

DM Ashura on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of DM Ashura. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. DarkProdigy 16:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC).

I replied on the deletion review page.--Here T oHelp 17:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

iTunes Icons

Hello. I was wondering why you removed the icons shown at the top of the iTunes Application Box.. as I added them in to actually settle a dispute regarding which icons to display: and now I think the mutual feel is that their placement is useful and aesthetic. Please share your thoughts with me on this.

Also, I'd like to add-- the image I uploaded, Image:ITunes 1.png, was found at this site: [5]. Unfortunately that was the best picture I could get.

Thank you, --Alegoo92 21:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It was also discussed at Talk:iTunes#iTunes logo. The icons have been added to the article on the revision history. Applications often have their icons changed when they have new versions released. All precedents indicate the use of only one icon; Macintosh Finder used the Tiger icon. Not Panther, not system 7.--Here T oHelp 23:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

i think there should at least be some section that notes the change of icons and from the old to new version. Robert 05:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to add it to the version history article.--Here T oHelp 01:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad Idea?

I could use an assist (maybe two). I have a pet peeve, and thought I'd come up with a good concept for making chides to editors who leave incomplete documentation trails by creating sort of a wet diaper award. It seems to be drawing some adverse reactions, and even before I'd spammed a request to some others like this for brainstorming on how to shorten same and evolve it, as I'm not happy with it either. Subsequently, it's already drawn fire (here) before I could ask in help and get suggestions. Can you take a look and comment here. There has to be some way to let people know 'shallow edit actions' that reflect poorly on our pages need a talk note justification, no exceptions, thankyou. Much appreciated // FrankB 22:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

OK I surrender

re My last there: Can anyone suggest how we take this dialog to another place, if I cede deleting the template from template space is a good idea at this time. We need a copy of the template and it's talk preserved, and a substitute link for the VP. Ideas? Like I said, premature. // FrankB 01:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The issue is the VP, if you can suggest a way to nullify that request (Deleting per my request works? You are so requested.) If so, I'll db-author the thing and we can get some folks together on making my chainsaw into a nail file? <g> // FrankB 00:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I've killed (commented out) the VP request to the template talk page. Can you db-author it and just move to my user space at Fabartus\TWNA or whatever name is good for you. And close out the Tfd. I just moved the tfd discussion into the talk. FrankB 01:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I was able to move it, and preserve the talk. I broke both the redirect links as well but left the link to the user pages. I placed {{db-author}} on that resultant set. Which leaves closing out the Tfd as necessary cleanup. Boy when I bomb on broadway... I bomb! Gotta go get some diner on for the kids. Thanks for the hand. // FrankB 01:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Right...just draft a new template - don't make it an actual page yet - and try to do it in such a way that it conforms to established conventions of templates. That is, a good faith brief (a few sentences) paragraph with no fancy markup or images civilly describing your issue, and a request to stop. Use this page as a guide.--Here T oHelp 01:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

iTunes1 Icon

I uploaded a new iTunes 1 icon for the Itunes History page, I am very new at wikipedia, can you verify all is ok with it?

Jstar4 18:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

As far as the process of uploading, you did fine. Although the logo is larger, the quality is lower than the original. Can I ask you to make another? If you go to "About iTunes" (or something similar; it's been a while since I've used OS 9) you may be able to find a larger version on a solid white background. Get your screenshot there if you can; don't alter the image. The white background (rather than transparent) is fine; we can reduce the resolution later. If you can't come up with a better image, someone else might be able to work with it.--Here T oHelp 21:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Mac categories

I believe I've adequately explained my categorization ideas at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Macintosh already. I think it is a careful, systematic treatment. None of the categories will end up with only one or two articles. All categories address a salient aspect of Macs. If there is anything unclear, let's hash it out there. ⇔ ChristTrekker 22:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

While, yes, most categories will have more than two, many have less than ten. Also note that many of the articles are actually series of products (like Macintosh LC 500 series). I guess the families are okay as are the Motorola/Power PC/Intel chip classifications (that is what's meant by CPU type, right?). Howver, the List of Apple Macintosh models by case type may be more useful than categories since it provides clear groupings and pictures. Though there is a list by CPU type, it is longer and does not rely as heavily on images. I do not oppose turning that into a category.--Here T oHelp 22:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Some people like lists, some like navigating by categories. There's no reason they can't coexist—they complement each other. The nice thing about lists is that they can be complete, even if not all the entries have their own article yet, and the red links point out what needs to be filled in. The nice thing about categories is self-containment—one doesn't have to edit a second article to keep things up to date when a new product appears. ⇔ ChristTrekker 23:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Grumble grumble* Alright.--Here T oHelp 23:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the real questions with a classification system are these: Is the aspect being categorized on salient and relevant to the subject as a whole? Are the divisions chose for that aspect natural/self-explanatory, concise, and exhaustive? That's what I've tried to achieve. Grouping by form factor, CPU, and product line are all things that I have found useful at times, so I tend to think others would too. With a few exceptions, every model fits once into each one of those schemes, and the categories are chosen so that no model is left without one in that scheme. As a Mac geek, I can think of other classifications that would be useful, but for most people they'd be pure trivia. These three, I think, are more generally useful. ⇔ ChristTrekker 23:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm persuaded.--Here T oHelp 23:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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