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Gender gap lists

Thanks Gobonobo for the extensive work you have been doing on women's missing article lists, especially your Gender Gap red list and your Gender Gap red list/Women in World History. I have found them particularly useful in identifying candidates for articles in connection with Women's History Month. This year, I am covering non-English speaking women writers in Europe. I have already embarked on the Scandinavian countries (e.g. with lists for Denmark, Norway and Sweden) and will be moving on to the countries of continental Europe soon. I was not aware of your extensive work in this area and only came across your list as a result of your thank-you message. It just goes to show how useful a word of thanks can be!--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much Ipigott! It's encouraging to watch those red links go away. I'm finally working on the Women in World History list again–the obscure historical royalty with near-identical names tend to slow me down. I can see you're already familiar with WikiProject Women writers/missing articles, which is a great list of red links for women writers. Let me know if you come across any good sources to add to Gender Gap red list/In other sources. gobonobo + c 09:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I know of quite a number of good additional sources. As you probably realize, it is usually a good idea to make a rough background check on individual names before including them in lists of missing articles.
In connection with Scandinavian women writers, one of the best I have found is The History of Nordic Women's Literature. The searchable online version has an alphabetic index which you can limit to individual countries. Pretty well all the individuals are notable but some are perhaps a little obscure for the English Wikipedia. The English-language summaries are well written and contain useful information. Let me know how useful you find this. I'll be interested to see which writers you include.--Ipigott (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks so much for adding more content to the page, I wish everyone knew about it! I have been deleting created articles from the page, should I be striking them through to inspire us? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 13:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Gareth. I just copied the links to User:Dsp13/Redlinks/Women from this list. When I originally went through Black Women in America, I only included the biographical entries, so neither list is quite complete. Hopefully we'll be able to create articles for some of them during Black WikiHistory Month. I think you'll be fine continuing to delete the blue links—it was what Dsp13 always did. gobonobo + c 16:48, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to thank you for this as well, it's been great for building up potential Black WikiHistory Month work, and we will be consulting these at NYPL Schomburg!--Pharos (talk) 08:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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Re: February 2015

Regarding your revert of my recent edit to the article on Jim DeMint. It is important that this information is included somewhere in the article to maintain a neutral position. The current article has no mention of this and reads like a promotional piece for DeMint. It is widely believed that Jim DeMint was responsible for the recession. In 2010, his democratic opponent Alvin Greene made this the main talking point of his campaign. Furthermore, I provided a reliable source from MSNBC to go with my edit. How can we work together to make the article more balanced in its coverage of the senator?

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Gender gap red list

Just wanted to let you know that I started Barbara Latham. Needs further expansion. Would you be interested in contributing? Skyerise (talk) 17:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Skyerise. I'll take a look. gobonobo + c 01:23, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015

How to pick up more women...
Hello! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women... -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. Examples include the Edit-a-thon blitz during WikiWomen's History Month and the "new articles" work underway by WikiProject Women Writers. The Wikimania talk proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that this proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you'd be interested in the talk if you were attending it (it does not commit you to attending Wikimania). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Gobonobo! I have also proposed a proposal here, I'm not sure if it will be accepted or not but I want members of our Women Writers Project and those who are interested to sign up as my proposal is also indirectly related to picking up more Womens from developing countries. My proposal's main aim is "provide free of data charges access to Wikipedia" which will increase the traffic and ultimately more Womens. I would be glad if you and other members could sign up. Thanks! Jim Carter 14:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Apollo missions: "crewed" vs. "manned"

I noticed that you made a change to the "Moon Landing" page, where "manned" and "unmanned" were changed to "crewed" and "uncrewed". While it does conform to the general policy of "Gender Neutral Language", this was a discussion on the page about a similar change from "men" to "people". There is quite a bit of support on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight/Archive 6#Use of gender-neutral language in spaceflight-related articles for leaving at least the Apollo-era sections as they were. "Manned" and "unmanned" was the terminology in use at the time, and in fact, all of the Apollo crews were men only.

Before barging in and changing things back, I wanted to see how you felt about changing anything up to and including the Apollo-era stuff back to the way it was. For anything post-Apollo (when there were, in fact, mixed-gender crews on both American and Soviet/Russian flights), leaving the changes you made is appropriate.

I'll watch this page until I hear back from you. Almostfm (talk) 13:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Almostfm:. Thank you for dropping a note. You mentioned the WikiProject Spaceflight discussion—I see the support there for retaining gendered language in certain instances but I also see support for upholding MOS:GNL. Regardless, it looks like there was no consensus there to develop a project-specific guideline. I do see your point that the Apollo-era crews did not include any women, but the only reasons we disregard GNL is if it is somehow unclear or imprecise to use a gender-neutral term. I would argue that the meaning intended by the term at the time was "having a human crew" and not "having a male crew". As for changing just some of the instances of "crewed", GNL discourages that, saying to make the usage "internally consistent and employ one or the other exclusively". gobonobo + c 14:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Maritcha Remond Lyons

apologies for being a protocol newbie. I've created page on Maritcha Remond Lyons. I have linked it - I think - to two other pages: Ida B. Wells and Victoria Earle Matthews. It is still designated as an orphan. Should I do something additional? BeeCee 15:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Breena Clarke (talk • contribs)

Hi Breena Clarke. Thank you for creating the article for Maritcha Remond Lyons. The orphan template is added/removed manually, so I just went ahead and deleted it. Feel free to remove those yourself if you know they shouldn't be there. Oh and we were all new here once so don't worry about it. gobonobo + c 16:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

hello, Gobonobo, thanks very much for your lookoutBeeCee 19:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Breena Clarke (talk • contribs)

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Jimmie Lee Jackson

Who/What was the source for the image of Jimmie Lee Jackson on his Wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liaboni (talk • contribs) 19:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Liaboni: The file page has a link to the site where I originally retrieved the image, though it seems to no longer work. The image is an undated family photo of Jackson that seems to have been originally provided by his daughter, Cordelia Heard Billingsley. gobonobo + c 00:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there! Thanks for sending me the message regarding Betty Tompkins' painting. I wasn't quite sure how to categorize the image permission for that painting. I spoke with her today and she was perfectly satisfied having this image (on the Wiki page, itself) present in the public domain. Since it is held in the collection of a public institution, The Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris, Betty is satisfied with having the image be on the page in its current form without additional licensing. Please let me know how best to cite the image permissions, forthwith. I am still learning how to properly code here! I am also a contributor for the entry for Xaviera Simmons (another female contemporary artist), so all tips and suggestions are most welcome. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smason1022 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I've replied over on your talk page. gobonobo + c 08:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Is there anything I can do to help with meet-up at Walker?

Hi, Gobonobo, it was good to see you last Sunday at the Edit-a-Thon. Is there anything I can do to help with the Walker event? -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 00:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi WeijiBaikeBianji. It was good to see you there too. I'm glad you brought quality sources for us to use. Your presence at the Walker event would be most helpful as I'm sure we'll need lots of help for new editors. We could also use more articles to edit and sources for the meetup page. gobonobo + c 11:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Located some (barely) existing Gender Gap articles

FYI Using the output of the Red Link Recovery Live I've found three (possibly and/or barely) existing articles.

Just found Barbara Chase-Riboud in User:Gobonobo/Gender Gap red list/Awards and honors too. Mark Hurd (talk) 00:16, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Mark. I think I'll be wanting to run that tool on some of the other red link lists as well. gobonobo + c 03:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Frontiers: A Journal of Women Studies

Hi, can you tell me why you moved this page? The journal's website and cover clearly call it Frontiers: A Journal of Women's Studies (which is also grammatically more correct, I think). Am I missing something? --Randykitty (talk) 18:35, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

@Randykitty: It's been 'women studies' since the 70s. Where are you seeing a cover that uses 'women's studies'? The most recent cover I can find (online) is this one from 2013. I do see that the osu website does use 'women's' quite a bit, but they're inconsistent; their contact page uses 'women'. Muse and JSTOR also use 'women studies'. I suppose they could have recently changed the name though. I've emailed them to find out. gobonobo + c 19:07, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Their homepage uses "women's". There are a number of images going through a cycle, one of them is (I guess a recent) cover and also uses "women's". --Randykitty (talk) 19:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Hmm. The only cover image I'm seeing there is this one. gobonobo + c 19:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
You're right, I enlarged the image and see that the cover uses "women". Still, the website says "women's", so things are not unequivocal. Let's see what they will respond to your email. (Although in the end, we need to base our article on sources, not emails, but that is for later). --Randykitty (talk) 20:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure they'll want to fix it if the name is in error. If not, hopefully they can point us towards a good source. I'll ping you when I hear back from them. gobonobo + c 20:50, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
@Randykitty: They got back to me and said its a typo. The journal name should be Frontiers: A Journal of Women Studies. gobonobo + c 16:15, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, let's hope they'll correct their website :-) --Randykitty (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
@Randykitty: There you go. gobonobo + c 00:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Excellent! --Randykitty (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Do not undo Southern Strategy edits until the subject is discussed in the talk section

The facts of the Southern Strategy article are in dispute. Do not undo the changes without offering a response in the talk section. --129.59.79.123 (talk) 14:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Please see WP:BRD. gobonobo + c 14:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Hardly possible now that some other editor got his panties in a wad and refused to engage in a discussion. The article as it stands is crap because people (and this is shown in the article history) have removed the opposing points of view. --129.59.79.123 (talk) 19:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Scott Schneider

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Thank you for your unique qualites to minor edits, Cheers. CookieMonster755 (talk) 20:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you, veteran editor working on the Gender gap red list, for quality biographies of women such as Magaly Alabau and Marie-Hélène Lefaucheux, for cover images of books and work on articles for creation, for gnomish project tagging and for showing that We can! - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Thank you very much Gerda. gobonobo + c 00:19, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks CookieMonster. gobonobo + c 03:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Mary Ann Bickerdyke

I've been working on improving the article on Mary Ann Bickerdyke, a Civil War nurse who built 300 field hospitals and later became a lawyer who helped veterans with pension claims. Can you take a look at it in light of the Wikiprojects Women's History and Feminism? Do you think it might be GA worthy? I tried putting the peer review template in, but it didn't work the way it should. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi TeriEmbrey. I've reformatted some of the references for the article. If you haven't already, you'll want to have a look at Wikipedia:Good article criteria. At first glance, I'd say the article needs a few improvements before it would be accepted, though I don't think it would be quickfailed. The prose could benefit from more detail, clarity and flow. The lead section will also need to be expanded to include a more detailed summary. The engraving File:Mary Ann Bickerdyke.jpg would make a nice addition to the article. gobonobo + c 03:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the helpful suggestions! I've tweaked the lead and added the engraving. I'll work a bit on the detail. TeriEmbrey (talk) 13:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:History of Scotland

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Nomination of Master of Management: Co-operatives and Credit Unions for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Master of Management: Co-operatives and Credit Unions is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Muhammad Ali

You got in ahead of me. I'm guessing that you, like me, read Michael Deacon's column in today's Telegraph, in which he admitted that the rose story was invented. JH (talk page) 10:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I did read his column. It's sad that we never caught the rose hoax; it was added back in 2006. Also surprised that no one has nominated Deacon's article for deletion yet. gobonobo + c 10:21, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Deacon claims responsibility for this hoax, but there is no direct evidence to support his claim; the edit in 2006 was made from an IP address associated with the publisher he worked for at the time, but that is all. Fact or fantasy? Who can tell? Just delete him. This is not what Wikipedia is about. 92.12.236.121 (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2015 (UTC)