This is an archive of past discussions with User:General Ization. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
Check the history: this is an anniversary. This person is a longterm vandal, a complete a-hole, who inserts this kind of material in a variety of articles on living and dead people, from a variety of IPs in Louisville. (Here is the one who vandalized Hoover before.) Please keep an eye out; when there's one, there's more. What you saw them to, that's what they do--rapid revert, of that kind (and size) of content. Reverting them only adds to the mess in the article history--just report them right away. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Drmies: Thanks, I did report immediately (after the first revert, because they were continuing the action of the previously blocked IP). Are you suggesting we just leave them be after reporting? General IzationTalk 02:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, more or less. Look at the history, and look at a year ago--it's just more disruptive, it's exactly what they want. You reverted sixteen times, and that's sixteen chuckles for them. I know it's hard to resist rollback. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks EdJohnston. I remember having blocked a bunch of libraries, and even communicating with a librarian a while back. I made it three months--though a year would have been fine also. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Reminder of Wikipedia policy
"A discussion as to whether material is libelous is not a legal threat. Wikipedia's policy on defamation is to delete libelous material as soon as it is identified. If you believe that you are the subject of a libelous statement on Wikipedia, please contact the information team at info-en-q@wikipedia.org." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.233.114.227 (talk) 04:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Aren't you letting millions of sites and books by also referencing them into the entries? I've learnt Screenrant existed thanks to an article there. I simply don't get the "promotion" article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:53C:8593:7185:113B:2670:981E (talk) 19:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Not needed there either; removed. Did you genuinely think there was any chance of confusion between the two? Please don't base your edits on others' errors. General IzationTalk 03:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Deletion: Kim Jong Un edit
Hey! I believe you deleted an edit I made on the Kim Jong Un page because of an unreliable source. I have added the edit again with the New York Post voting the Korean Herald as a source.
Kind regards!
Ranieri001 (talk) 10:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello (do you remember me? I'm from the Mauro Milhomem conversation.)
Hello General Ization,
I unfortunately have had some stress with Wikipedia's editors and rules, etc, and I stopped from editing from Wikipedia. I'm leaving you this invitation because, from what I believe, we would make an interesting conversation in a private chat to ourselves. I know I made wrong things on Wikipedia such as leaving the article which criticizes the Wikipedia's rules and about common sense. You are a gentle person, and you were very nice when we talked about the Barra do Garças air disaster edits.
Would you be willing to talk to me privately in a chat for us both? It would be nice to me, as I am having difficult times. But, if you couldn't talk, it's OK. Regards! --Cientific124 (talk) 10:27, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
External links
I have added some discussion of this to the "Reputation" talk page and will add more.
But let me summarize. I'm uncertain what you mean about "inappropriate external links". When I add citations to material that is published in academic journals, and a small fraction of those citations point to work which I have published over the past 5 years, I do not consider this "self promotion" any more than it would be if I cite my own work in an academic journal. I am simply focusing on my area of expertise and the conversation with which I am most familiar and comfortable. As you will notice from my edits, I have included myriad improvements to the Reputation article, because it was in horrible shape, and less than 10% of the citations I added were to my own work.
I am new to editing Wikipedia, but not new to academic publishing, and I want to offer the best material possible on the areas with which I have expertise.
OwenParkerPhD (talk) 04:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2020.
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Twinkle's block module now includes the ability to note the specific case when applying a discretionary sanctions block and/or template.
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By motion, standard discretionary sanctions have been temporarily authorizedfor all pages relating to the Horn of Africa (defined as including Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and adjoining areas if involved in related disputes). The effectiveness of the discretionary sanctions can be evaluated on the request by any editor after March 1, 2021 (or sooner if for a good reason).
I need your help protecting the article about Uğur Şahin. Nationalists are trying to mention in every sentence that he is from Turkey or possesses mistakenly the Turkish citizenship although there are no sources. Furthermore they claime stubbornly that he is a muslim.
I'm German and no nationalist. Sahin is a muslim, as you can read in "Die Zeit". "Wie seine Ehefrau ist Ugur Sahin Kind türkischer Einwanderer und Moslem." This is readable, even without subscription. Grimes2 (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
You are not the one I'm talking about. We need more reliable sources because there are also interviews (For example: Good Morning Britain) saying that he indirectly consumes alcohol. Nontheless one thing is clear. There is no proof that he possesses the Turkish citizenship. --Dersim9999 (talk) 16:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
The main problem is that they are unnecessarily repeating the fact that he is from Turkey. The only reason why you don't see their actions is because I am deleting these impurities constantly. --Dersim9999 (talk) 18:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
A request for comment is open that proposes a process for the community to revoke administrative permissions. This follows a 2019 RfC in favor of creating one such a policy.
A request for comment is in progress to remove F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a, which covers immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
A request for comment asks if sysops may place the General sanctions/Coronavirus disease 2019 editnotice template on pages in scope that do not have page-specific sanctions?
When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
By motion, the discretionary sanctions originally authorized under the GamerGate case are now authorized under a new Gender and sexuality case, with sanctions authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, any gender-related dispute or controversy and associated people. Sanctions issued under GamerGate are now considered Gender and sexuality sanctions.
The company involved in the article would like to request to input the right information. We currently have our own write-up and we would like to edit the article you published. For your kind consideration please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4451:77C:B100:614E:FD61:D0A6:88CD (talk) 03:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
As already explained on your Talk page and at the WP:TEAHOUSE, you and others associated with your company may not edit the article World Balance because it would violate our policies concerning conflict of interest. Any changes to the article identified as having been made by a user having COI will be undone, and the user who makes them is likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia if they persist. In addition, your "own write-up" cannot be assumed to be an objective assessment and history of your company based exclusively on published, reliably-sourced facts, the requirement of articles here. Point out any factually incorrect information, or important omissions, on the article's Talk page. Otherwise, leave the article alone. See also WP:OWN. General IzationTalk 03:16, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
By the way, technically, your IP address should be blocked immediately, as a consequence of your having already persistently used three other IPs (two of which are now blocked) to try to remove content from the article within the past week. Once you are blocked, you are not just free to change IP addresses and continue the same edits. However, I'm going to hold off on requesting that, in the hope that you now understand why you cannot remove content from or edit the article, and how to properly request reasonable corrections to it. Please don't violate my trust in you; if you do, I will see that the IP you are now using is also blocked and that will be the end of my involvement with you. General IzationTalk 03:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Also, assuming that this is "your own write-up", it is completely unacceptable in an article here, because it is clearly not objective, it is written like an advertisement (which is understandable since it originates with you, rather than reliable, uninvolved news and/or industry sources) and it does not cite any independent sources for its information. General IzationTalk 03:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate: Except for the fact that the IP appears to be citing (in their edit summary) a policy that, to my knowledge, does not exist, and to be performing mass updates apparently based on that supposed policy. Do you think it's reasonably disputed that Bill Murray is a voice actor? Are you aware of any policy that says that (or "comedian") should not appear in the lead and/or short description of the article? (And I don't believe this has become an edit war. See my response to the IP.) General IzationTalk 05:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
World Balance edit request
Hi General Ization. Even though I don’t normally do edit requests, I was going to decline this outright since there’s no chance of any part of it ever being accepted; I didn’t, however, want to seem BITEy by declining an edit request so soon after it was made because the IP is at least trying to adhere to WP:COI (though they might need to follow PAID as well). The IP obviously hasn’t read WP:NOT or they have and simply don’t understand it. I’m not sure it’s necessary to come down on them like a ton of bricks just yet, but even leaving that on the article’s talk page might even be a WP:COPYVIO. Anyway, since you’ve tried engaging the IP about this on a couple of occasions already, I figured I’d let you have first explaining why that request simply is unacceptable if you want to give it a try. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
yea, sorry about that, but I think I might make a page for Josh Carlson if you are OK with it. He is the director of the knowledge center at Chaddock. Thanks for the help! Bluefiredragon09 (talk) 16:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
@Bluefiredragon09: If you can establish that Carlson is notable and document it by citing sources independent of himself and the college (his employer), both of which are unlikely to be objective and hence cannot be used as reliable sources for biographical content, have at it. Please note, however, that this may not be a trivial task. Also see WP:ACADEMIC. General IzationTalk 17:30, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.
Technical news
When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)
Hello,
A few years ago you removed my edit to the Olympic Symbols page. It has since been re-edited and elaborated on to go back to the spirit of my original edit. I am the "niece" of "Harry" Hal Haig Prieste, the man who stole and returned the original flag to the IOC. My grandfather was his doctor and my family his caretakers. Check out this page with pictures of me & him, one of which even has the flag in NJ before he flew to Sydney with my grandparents to return it to the IOC.
The original article I edited (which you retracted) listed the flag as being created in 1925. Since he stole the flag at the 1920 Antwerp Olympics (the first Olympics in which the 5 ring flag was used), it is impossible that it was created in 1925. While I did make a typo with "1912", (should have been "1913" in terms of the symbol of the rings or "1914" in terms of the rings appearing on the actual flag, based on the reference used on that portion of the page at the time), 1912 is a lot closer than 1925.
Just wanted to touch base to discuss the deletion as these events and history are a part of my own personal history.
Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)."The Olympic Flag". Extract from: Textes choisis II, p.470. (written in 1931). Archived from the original on 28 August 2008. Retrieved 29 August 2008.
Vandalism - BAPS Article
Hello General Ization, I noticed that you reverted some unsourced edits at the Bochasanwasi Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha page and left a final warning on the unregistered user’s talk page. After your warnings were posted, the same user made another unsourced edit [1] that I reverted. Moreover, some of the other content he added was already properly included it in the relevant section within the article rather than in a stand-alone section by consensus on the article talk page as per WP:STRUCTURE. Accordingly, I have removed the improperly sourced material, and I would appreciate if you could block this disruptive editor and, if you feel appropriate, semi-protect the page. Thank you! Apollo1203 (talk) 14:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I am new to posting to Wikipedia. My intent is not to offend or cause animosity. I think Anthony Arno is a Route 66 enthusiast who is as much a historian of the road as anyone on the page. I'm not sure how to properly include him so apologies if I broke protocol. I did not see my email messages indicating I was incorrect until after I had reposted my comments. I thought I just did not save them properly. The podcast is one of the few cultural artifacts covering current events related to the highway without an alternate agenda such as religion or road-tripping in general and, therefore I think it is relevant. I read the bullet point about the cricket player and feel this is far more culturally relevant so im not sure what im doing wrong. I appreciate your guidance. i am not affiliated with the podcast just a fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morton.rodney (talk • contribs) 03:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Morton.rodney: I appreciate that you think it is relevant and that you were not trying to be disruptive. However, for the reasons I explained on your Talk page, it is not appropriate to include this content in the In popular culture section of the article. I considered myself whether it might make an appropriate external link rather than article content, and then saw that you added it there. However, another editor reverted that edit because it appeared to be promotional. You may wish to contact that editor to discuss their reversion. Please sign your comments on any Talk page by typing four tildes (~~~~) after them.General IzationTalk 03:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
you told me that this was potentially relevant! i did not realize i had to get approval from someone to post a link! I reached out to the person as soon as they identified themselves. "I considered myself whether it might make an appropriate external link rather than article content, and then saw that you added it there. However, another editor reverted that edit because it appeared to be promotional. You may wish to contact that editor to discuss their reversion." no one reached out to me to discuss my revisionMorton.rodney (talk) 04:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Morton.rodney: Please see WP:BRD. It is your responsibility to begin a discussion on the article's Talk page (not your Talk page or another editor's Talk page) about content you think should be added but that other editors have removed or reverted. It is no one else's responsibility to "reach out to you". I think I and others have rather clearly explained on your Talk page why we think the content you are trying to add should not be added. However, please also see WP:CONSENSUS, which is how such decisions are made here, not merely by one editor (especially a new editor, seemingly unfamiliar with many of our policies) insisting something should be added to an article. General IzationTalk 05:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Vandalism
Hi, thanks for informing me that I'm not supposed to do those kinds of edits, but next time can you not call it vandalism? It was a harmless mistake. Mwiqdoh (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
PS - I was not modifying their comment because I put USA instead of USA so they look the same but it just links to the actual article and not the redirect. Unless they purposefully done that (I actually read the talk page) then I'm not changing what they said nor what it looks like. Mwiqdoh (talk) 12:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mwiqdoh: Here is the warning I placed on your Talk page:
I did not say that your edits were vandalism. I said that they may appear to the other editors involved to be vandalism. In any case, both of the policies I related to you (WP:UPG,WP:TPO) exist for good reason, and do not include exceptions because you think your edits do not change the meaning of what was written. Please don't do it again. General IzationTalk 01:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I wasn't meaning to excusing myself or I saying exception, was just a useless FYI. But you put "caution" in your edit summary? You can say "Please don't edit other people's messages, even if it is to fix a redirect. For more information, you can check WP:UPG and WP:TPO. Thanks, and happy editing." Sorry for bothering you Mwiqdoh (talk) 01:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mwiqdoh: Many of us who monitor a large number of articles for vandalism and for other unconstructive edits respond to sometimes hundreds of these incidents in an hour. As a general rule, we are unable to customize the warning messages we use to adapt them to the exact circumstances represented by each incident. When you receive a warning of any kind, please consider the underlying message and respond accordingly, rather than reacting to what you perceive to be the tone of the message or the edit summary used, which was supplied by the tool I used to post the response on your Talk page. General IzationTalk 02:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@General Ization: I reviewed the template_index user talk namespace multi-level template and it shows you gave me a level 2 warning, I saw the level 1 warning and that's what you were supposed to give me, but you went straight to a level 2 warning so you could've done the level 1. That's really all you had to do. I think you HAVE to give me level 1 first because that was the first time I did it. I would've saw the warning and went on with my day but you went aggressive with level 2. Mwiqdoh (talk) 15:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mwiqdoh: I think I've already addressed that just above. No other editor here is a mind reader, and we don't know your intent when we see edits that do not comply with our policies. General IzationTalk 02:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mwiqdoh: OK, are you genuinely unclear on what I've asked you to do and why? I appreciate your concern, but I do have other tasks to perform tonight. The original messages were courteous and asked you to not engage in a certain behavior. I'm sorry, but I cannot be responsible for whatever subtext you are reading into them about assumptions of bad faith. General IzationTalk 02:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
@General Ization: I made an not allowed (but not harmful) edit and you give me caution stating it is unconstructive, considered vandalism, and not really in a nice manner. If you give the same caution to every single person (from sockpuppetry, vandalism, and more to me) and you don't know my intent (and you see I am not purposefully vandalising) then you can quickly give me a short message that I'm not supposed to do that (e.g. Please didn't edit other people's messages in talk pages, it isn't allowed. Thanks for your understanding. How long does that take you to type?). If you don't know someone's intent you can assume good faith. I did something wrong, sorry but just please be more polite about it. If that's your copy and paste message please consider making it in a nicer tone. thanks for your understanding Mwiqdoh (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.
Arbitration
The community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.
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