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2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. Any better image? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
That's great! Restrained for the top of someone who just died ;) - It also solves that it's not great to have a pic and its crop in the same article, thank you so much. - Now looking into Heinz Werner Zimmermann, no end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller, after he finally appeared under recent deaths, stayed not even for a full day. It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Next person: de:Otto Borngräber - the pic was published in 1902, by an unknown photographer, - for me, the likelihood that his right need protection is zero. What do you think? I'm translating, and he's mentioned in a DYK hook today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Вацек Олександр (Oleksander Vatsek) cropped, rotated
Or, this version was already there
I could. I also rotated it a bit; take a look at the image, and you'll see a "prior version" where the head is tilted a bit (but the doorframe behind him isn't), if you like that better, say, and I can revert; or you can. Or you might just prefer this other photo in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Oleksandr_Vatsek.
Thank you, and I noticed the other but don't like the microphone so much. Yes, I noticed yours! Mine was written in 2016. The conductor is a miracle. One hour of listening to the album titled Prayer for Ukraine (also an older article) and some funny. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Having looked at the original again, yes, I'd like him a bit less straight, - he is a listening person. Perhaps also lee white shirt, to arrive at a more normal format for a passport photo ;) - Do you have any idea of occasion and the others pictured? Because the complete image could be useful for the choir if it had do with it.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Re-cropped and rotated, same image file, better? My Ukrainian isn't great (though I can do Russian), however Google Translate says "Ukrainian musicians Volodymyr Verney, Vyacheslav Khimyak, Yaroslav Lemishka and Oleksandr Vacek during the concert of the choir "Oreya" conducted by Oleksandr Vacek at the Ternopil Regional Philharmonic on February 11, 2016." --GRuban (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Hope all is well and 2022 was greeted by you and your family with joy. I have a weird issue that I am hoping you can help with. This journal has one of those embedded pdfs. I cannot find it in Mexico (tried for a week and found no links), but the Resource Exchange found this one for me. Great that it is accessible, but with this kind of link, I cannot convert it to OCR. Any clue how I can do that to be able to translate it short of retyping the entire article "La condition des personnes au Togo et au Cameroun"? If you are too busy, no worries. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I looked at the source of the page and figured out you can get a direct link to the PDF as http://bibnum.ucad.sn/greenstone/collect/officiel/import/annales_africaines_1957.pdf. (It's a bit slow, but does download eventually.) Honestly, though, from my experience with your energy level, you would be able to retype it! French is a pretty common language, and this doesn't seem to be too complex, it's a political magazine, not a philosophy text, so hopefully the automated translation will work. My French isn't native level, I did get an A in a college level course a long time ago. --GRuban (talk) 21:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
You make me laugh :) I know you used that wand. Good to know it survived 2021. My French is basically non-existent, but because I studied Latin for chemistry, I can pick out the basic roots. I have a fairly good idea of what it will say, having written so many of these nationality law articles, but each country is a bit unique. I appreciate you! SusunW (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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I want photos and I think you can help me. I found this whole family that should have articles: Stella, (who should have been made a national hero of Zimbabwe, but wasn't), Daniel Madzimbamuto, who is a national hero of Zimbabwe and their son, Farai D. Madzimbamuto, a doctor and professor who challenged and won a case over the legal right of Zimbabweans to be dual nationals. The only photos I find of Stella are the one that appears on her obits from 2020, this one from The Guardian in 1973, and ones that were published in her book in 2017, obviously none of which meet the 70+ threshold. But then I found this! I don't see a copyright notice anywhere, I checked the Catalogue and only find entries for a journal published by Standard Oil and another by Rosenthal and Smythe. The one with the photo is published by the Friars of the Atonement, Graymoor, Garrison, NY. If you say we can't use it, my guess is that we need to find Farai and ask him if he will give us photos. I cannot figure out if he is currently in Botswana or Zimbabwe, but if someone wrote the article on him we might figure it out. Your thoughts? SusunW (talk) 15:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
More questions, Lot's of photos of McCord Hospital here, Book was published according to World Cat I think I can use any of them, which would perhaps spark interest in someone writing an article on the historic hospital, because it looks like South Africa is 50 years from publication and thus the copyright would have expired in 1985, before the effective date of URAA?
Will look. Did anything ever come of the pictures for "First female New York Daily News photographer, Evelyn Straus"? --GRuban (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
I would so like to think that I had a hand in turning your writing to international criminals, or at least unconventional people. LOL Great article, btw. SusunW (talk) 21:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, the 1935 South African book should be fine, as you have written. The wonderful Lamp magazine photo is debatable, for a few reasons.
I'm only slightly worried that the Internet Archive didn't mark the issue PD, as they often do when their sources are, but I do agree the copyright doesn't seem visible anywhere in either the pages, or in the copyright books, so we can probably be safe there. They're just volunteers like we are.
I'm more worried that it's not clear that the photographs in the article were taken or otherwise owned by the staff of the magazine or the author of the article - for example, there is a photograph of a very young Alexander Ginzburg on the same page, and I'm pretty sure Ginzburg never left the Soviet Union before he was much, much older, and probably didn't meet with any foreigners packing cameras until he was at least a little older and famous. This Lamp magazine piece (in theory about Thomas Roberts (bishop)) does look it was made with support from Amnesty International, so I'm guessing that's where that image came from ... but did Amnesty take or otherwise own the copyright to the photo, and pass that copyright to The Lamp? Probably not, to be honest, they probably got the photo from Ginzburg's friends or family. But that's the Ginzburg photo, traveling to South Africa would have been much easier than to the Soviet Union, and it is certainly possible the Madzimbamuto photo could have been taken or otherwise owned by the author. It's more the precedent that photo on the same page sets that bothers me.
Finally, the photo doesn't actually say that's Stella Madzimbamuto in it. It almost certainly is, of course, given that it does say that's Daniel Madzimbamuto, and it looks like other photos of her... but it would be embarrassing if it weren't.
In the end, if you want to try to say the photo is public domain, there might not be any objections as such; the magazine itself probably is, after all, and it might be fine. We will be even safer, however, using the image under fair use, as she is deceased, so there won't be any more, and it's an image of her with her husband, so it's an important image for the article. I can upload it for you, if you decide one way or the other. --GRuban (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
My thoughts, it's an intimate photo...they are practically sitting on each others laps. It looks like other photos in her book in the time period and I am fairly sure that he did not start his philandering this early in life. It seems very unlikely that he would have allowed a photograph to have been taken of himself and another woman in this intimate type of pose, since even though he had a child with the lady in Zambia he refused to acknowledge it even to Stella, though she had his written letter in her hand when she confronted him about it. I personally think we are safe to mark it as photographer unknown, as we have no clue who took it. I'd like it to be a little less dark if that is possible. While I do not really want to use a photo with him as the lede image, I am 99.9% positive that someone would delete a fair use image if this one is available. Of course, we could undertake an effort to find Farai and ask him, but I honestly think we are fine as the Lamp is clearly PD and would love for you to upload it. Any ideas about the other 2 photos? SusunW (talk) 17:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Zimbabwean/Rhodesian activists Daniel and Stella Madzimbamuto, from The Lamp, 1969 article
Uploaded. Hope it's fine. As I wrote, the South African McCord Hospital images should be public domain as you noticed, you want me to get those? The Canadian images are probably not public domain as you mention. Liked Evelyn Straus, nice work! Of course she had a long term female partner. One day you will write an article about a notable historic woman who had one husband, two kids and a dog ... and that's when I'll know your account has been taken over by an imposter. --GRuban (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I am dying laughing, I honestly had no clue, until I found that 2nd obit. She led me to Adelaide Leavy, who had 3 husbands and 2 kids, but I have no idea if she had a dog. ;) Thanks for the lovely photo of Stella. Also on the hospital, can we get the one on page 1; the two of the McCords, i.e. James Bennett McCord and Margaret his wife, on page 4; the front balcony on page 6; the outdoor ward on page 7; the midwives on page 8; and the nurses on page 9? What about the Canadian piece? Or do I need to try for another photo? Seems weird to me that we can't use it, I mean, how do other Canadian photos get uploaded? SusunW (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I tried brightening it but the changes to them were minor, mainly the wallpaper and their clothes changed.
Can you put the faces and arms from the 2nd one on the clothes of the 1st one o.0 LOL. I've maybe found another source for Harare Hospital. Not great photos, but photos. South Africa so 50 years...There is this from 1959, so it expired in 2009, but then it would be not usable because of URAA? This was literally the year after the hospital was even built, so like how are you supposed to get a photo of it? Grrrr SusunW (talk) 21:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I couldn't. But you know who almost certainly could? User:Adam Cuerden. He's a real image editor, I'm just a dabbler. He has been posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red, volunteering his services, and this is certainly a Women in Red thing. It's not quite his main focus, he normally takes a high resolution but damaged important historical image, and makes it into a thing of true beauty, while this is a low resolution image, so he might refuse, but he almost certainly has the skills to do anything you'd like. If you want, you could ask him. Meanwhile I'm working on uploading the McCord Hospital images. --GRuban (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Hadn't even thought of that, as Adam usually works on high quality images and this one is just my run-of-the-mill typical find that is "usable". Would be lovely if he can help. The hospital photos look great! SusunW (talk) 22:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I'll do my best, but realise that, in a scan like this, there really is a limit to how much you can do. There's basically no detail in the clothing, and the faces are very high contrast. I'll try a curves adjustment. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs22:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Totally understand, Adam Cuerden. I have literally looked for photos of her for weeks and all seem to be copyrighted except this one. Will be most appreciative of anything you can do for it. SusunW (talk) 23:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Yay! Thank you Adam Cuerden! George, I found this circa 1940 and this from 1936 (you can see the back larger here.) Both Zimbabwe and South Africa (2nd one says it was copyrighted in Johannesburg) are 50 years, thus the 1940s one maybe not, (1949 would put us at 1999), but the 1936 should be fine. Not sure if having an image of Salisbury/Harare near the time is helpful for the article, but it does sort of give context. Your thoughts? SusunW (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Your call. If you can get it to a scanner I'll do what I can, but it has about a 75% chance of being halftone once you zoom in at that date. Never can tell, though. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs00:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
If you want to know what I'm working on... besides a photo of Blanche Dunn that's in her article, but which I don't think is quite good enough for FPC, and the ones I already mentioned on WT:WIRED, here's my list.
Might not do a couple on that unuploaded list. The scan quality is really variable in that batch. You might be able to sense a similarity in all my planned restorations for this month. Figure it can't hurt to force myself to do the extra research, which is honestly the main thing stopping me normally. (Well, I mean, I could do more Jazz musicians, but I am trying for more variety than that. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs00:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Postcard depicting Stanley Avenue, Salisbury, Rhodesia (now Harare, Zimbawe), 1936
Not sure why you want a picture of cars on a street, but here is the 1936 one. I left in the green watermark temporarily, because if Adam wants to remove it, I'm sure that he can do it better than I can; if he doesn't want to mess with it, I can smudge it (it will look like a smear of adjoining pixels - it won't look great, but better than leaving it in green). --GRuban (talk) 00:34, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Submitted request at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Photography_workshop#Stanley_Avenue,_Salisbury,_1936. Hopefully that's the right way to ask. If they teach me how, I'd love to learn. I've done this before with careful smudging, which looks fine on cloth, but it's not perfect even on fingers, and would not work very well on hard edged rectangles like these buildings:
You guys are both amazing and both have magic wands that I have no clue even how to obtain. But, if you need research Adam Cuerden, I'm usually good at it. I can dig up stuff on most anyone who is dead, especially if they have led an unconventional life. (Just ask George, he'll confirm that, LOL). I've given up on finding a photo I can use of Harare Hospital, but if one of y'all can finish removing that watermark, then I think I am ready to nominate it for GA. Need it to be ready by March 8, so I gotta wiggle. SusunW (talk) 15:38, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
@SusunW: I think magic wand transplant surgery is becoming more and more accepted nowadays... More seriously, I notice you seem to be doing a series on women fighting for citizenship of various countries. Is this a formal series, is there some overarching project or something like that? Because I've started drafting an article about a (modern) woman who seems to have a similar issue, and would be interested whether there is a formal way to go about it? --GRuban (talk) 15:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Oooh! yay! Yes, I have been working on nationality laws since December 2020. The overall goal is to write each country and then write two articles one on the legal aspects of how/why women were not nationals and thus because they didn't belong anywhere it was easy for states to deny them citizenship and the second one about what they did about it. Until the middle of the 20th century, most women lost their own nationality upon marriage; they could not pass their nationality on to their children (or husbands); if they were unmarried their children might have been allowed to be nationals but not citizens; if they married someone whose country would not award them nationality, they became stateless, etc. It was/is still a global problem for women, thus I am happy to help because I'd really like to include examples from all over the world on how the lack of belonging (nationality) effected women. How can I help? SusunW (talk) 15:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm much less dedicated than you, it will probably take me 10 times as long as you, but I will probably get it eventually. Anyway, this morning in the car, I was listening to a National Public Radio story about Yulia Tolopa, who is a Russian woman volunteer fighting for Ukraine in the Donbas since 2014. She was a martial artist in Russia, became a sniper for Ukraine. We don't have an article about her (see the red color) and that story seemed very interesting, so I thought I could write it. But from the sources I see there now, it seems like most of the story is about her fighting not separatists, but the state bureaucracy - as best I can tell, in order to get Ukrainian citizenship she would need some combination of (a) returning to Russia, (b) formally renounce her Russian citizenship and (c) provide Russian documents that she isn't a criminal. However this faces the obvious difficulty that she can't return to Russia without getting arrested for fighting for Ukraine, an enemy power, and that she is actually a criminal in Russia for that very same thing. She even got the President of Ukraine to write a special order for her and 10 other foreigners in similar circumstances, but it may not have completely gone through, still reading sources. Here I was thinking I would be writing about her dodging bullets, rather than filling out paperwork... --GRuban (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Except to me, the really interesting social history is that this woman could easily become stateless because of their jockeying. Reading through the bits and bobs, the issue is dual nationality (often called dual citizenship, incorrectly because citizenship is within a country and nationality is external, i.e. between two states. One can have have dual citizenship, i.e. both national and sub-national rights/obligations and only one nationality; but if one has dual nationality one belongs to 2 different states and has the rights of citizenship in both of them, though can only exercise one at any given time.) The issue she is experiencing has everything to do with belonging to 2 states and whether she must renounce her original nationality. Haven't done Europe yet, but these reports on Russia and Ukraine explain the requirements for both dual nationality and renunciation. Does that help? SusunW (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
There are lots of women who were branded as enemy aliens during various wars, usually for marrying someone, but sometimes for helping/appearing to help the enemy. She seems like one of those to me. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
In the Ukrainian piece "Those who have rendered distinguished service to Ukraine and those whose admission to the [nationality] of Ukraine is of state interest for Ukraine are exempt from requirements three through six above." p. 10 Meaning she only has to recognize the constitution of Ukraine and submit a declaration that she is aware that she has an obligation to renounce other nationality. It doesn't say that she has to renounce it?, but on p. 12 it clearly states Ukrainian law as of 2001 didn't recognize dual nationality; however, that law was amended in 2005 and allows exceptions, see p. 13 SusunW (talk) 16:25, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Okay, two last points, Ukraine, but not Russia, is a party to the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness[1], meaning that Ukraine is obligated under international law to prevent people from becoming stateless, but Russia is not. So, if she renounced her Russian nationality and Ukraine failed to resolve their application processes, there would be international human rights violations. On the other hand, Russian law does not allow denaturalization nor can it forbid "the right to change nationality." (page 21 of the Russian article). Since legally Russia cannot terminate her nationality, she is prosecutable under the treason statutes,[2] as long as they delay allowing her to change her nationality, which is supposedly allowed..."Renunciation of Russian citizenship by a person residing in the territory of a foreign state must be done by means of a voluntary expression of his or her will according to the simplified procedure. (p. 21) SusunW (talk) 17:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
That's interesting, but I'm not sure I can or should put it in the article. I need to write about what actually happened to her in practice, not about what should have happened in theory, unless there's a source that specifically says it about her. --GRuban (talk) 17:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! No, I did not see that COI discussion. I did read the Haaretz article, as it was the most important one in the discussion, and I did notice that multiple editors were specifically named in it, but I did not want to add to their injury by pointing them out by name. (The article was ... not kind to them.) I don't think it would change anything - the COIN decision was that those editors shouldn't personally remove the Haaretz article from Wikipedia articles, but I'm pretty sure they could still ask uninvolved editors to remove it for them, and argue for it in discussion; the editor count was something like 15-13, so +/-2 wouldn't have changed that much; and the decision was not really based on editor count. --GRuban (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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I don't know anything about Flickr licensing but am trying to help an editor who is preparing their first FA nomination. Photographs in question are this and this The license itself says "You are reminded to conduct an independent analysis of applicable law before proceeding with a particular new use." Both photos date from August-September 1970 and come from here. Can they be used or do we have to verify US license applicability, i.e. publication, URAA, etc? SusunW (talk) 16:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Ehh. In general, I would say that most organizations from Flickr's The Commons are highly respected organizations and when they say something should have no copyright restrictions, we could trust their expertise. And The National Archives (United Kingdom) is certainly among those organizations.
However, this is for Wikipedia:Featured articles which are supposed to be the best of our best, and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates review will usually do a separate review of images, and that review can sometimes be justifiably exacting. I'm looking at the rules in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_Kingdom and can't figure out why these images would be in the public domain. They're from 1970, so even if they're anonymous, that would be 70 years after publication, so 2040. One's a newspaper from the British Black Panthers so definitely not Crown Copyright and the other is an anonymous photograph, but still highly unlikely to be the work of the Crown. Did the National Archives somehow acquire ownership of the copyright and then release it? I guess that's possible, here in the US it's not unheard of for heirs of historical figures to donate all their papers to the Library of Congress with rights, after which the Library then releases those rights, so I'm guessing that could have happened with the heirs of some BBP figure; but if we're going for FA, it should be looked into and if possible confirmed.
I looked around on the National Archives web site to see if those specific records could be found with more details about why they might be in the public domain, but couldn't find them. I'd recommend either finding them there, or asking the National Archives directly. (I've never done that myself, though I have exchanged maybe a dozen similar emails with various people at the Library of Congress: many were about https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:PD-Gotfryd which is a set of images that was released in exactly the way I describe above, the rights were assigned to the Library which then released them.) The "please email us" link from the relevant National Archives overview page is broken, but I'm guessing it meant to go to https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/contact-us/ - there are multiple avenues listed there, including email and even a live chat! It's a hassle, but for FA, I would hesitate to claim this was the best we could do, if we didn't try this. --GRuban (talk) 17:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I just wasn't sure. Will pass on your response to Mujinga who is working on the nomination. Totally appreciate your sharing your expertise. SusunW (talk) 20:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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... and the lovely pic for the soprano! ... and for support in the RfC! Listening to the charity concert mentioned here. I created the articles of the composer and the soprano, - any images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Not that I could find, unfortunately. I did find an improved picture of a Ukrainian singer Anna Korsun but I think she is different than the one you meant. --GRuban (talk) 15:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Couldn't find anything obvious. There are two videos that are marked Creative Commons Attribution on YouTube, that are advertisements for the National Ballet Of Ukraine US tour and the National Opera of Ukraine, both posted Dmitriy Malka, who seems to be a video producer who made them, so maybe he has the rights to release them. However it's not obvious to me whether Artem Datsyshyn is in either of them; he seemed to be a not particularly visually distinctive ballet dancer, or possibly just changed his look a lot. If you want to take a look and see if you can pick him out, I can grab a screenshot, but I couldn't identify him. --GRuban (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
There was a lovely video of La Bajadére, but sadly no longer. He was in the outfit with some headdress that still shows on google, such as here (lower left). No time for a longish one right now, sorry - hungry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
No, sorry. It's marked fair use there, it's just an image from a theatre's Facebook page, where it isn't marked released in any way. She is deceased, and it is one of the two images that are being used basically everywhere to memorialize her, so you can try to use it under fair use here on EN as well, but it's not a free image. --GRuban (talk) 11:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Understand. Could you perhaps look at the list of roles and see if anything is notable in English? - Not for the first 5 entries, I tried. Pieces that don't have an entry in Ukrainian, only some of the authors. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
There are actresses who excel in the supporting roles. Had to nominate a singer today, and found estimated 15 roles, all fine but not one to summarize her. If I say Hannah in Die Passagierin, our broad readership will not immediately know that it is an Auschwitz inmate. That's a great role and she was good and expressive (seen, many of the others as well), but at least two other women are more important in that opera, the passenger Marta, and Lisa who was a guard, and her new husband has no idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Put in the image as fair use; even stronger justification that the standard "she's deceased", but "she's deceased, and the most likely people to own images are busy trying to stay alive right now". I'm in talks with someone to get an image of Yulia Tolopa, and that ... is an issue. --GRuban (talk) 13:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you!! - I could image writing an article about the theatre with the red link, not all the details. Could you help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
back to [3]: a play named Be missed! is mentioned in some sources, 2016 production - can you find more? I think it's the last one (no author), my translation is different. - Could we get two or three from the list for expansion. Role seems to be the first in each entry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure where you see "Be missed!". Out of the roles listed on that page (click on the second link there, "РАНІШЕ ЗІГРАНІ РОЛІ" which means "FORMER ROLES PLAYED", to show the long list), most are not linked, but there is one link at the bottom, "Мемі - ПОСТУПИСЯ МІСЦЕМ!", which goes to https://molodyytheatre.com/repertoire/postupysya-miscem which is the one I was referring to, which I'm fairly sure is Make Way for Tomorrow. "Мемі - ПОСТУПИСЯ МІСЦЕМ!" translates as "Memi - MAKE WAY", and the main page for that play describes it as "Genre - Sad comedy Author - Vina Delmar ... An elderly couple is on the verge of bankruptcy and remains homeless. The only ones who can help them are five adult children. But neither of them has enough space in the house to settle two at once. Therefore, parents settle separately thousands of kilometers from each other." which is exactly what our page for Make Way for Tomorrow says. The page also says "Premiere - 09 june 2016". Could that be what you saw wherever you saw it? I can't guarantee that "Memi" is "Mamie the maid", after all, they may well have renamed the characters for Ukrainian, but it seems likely. --GRuban (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. That helps a lot. The "missed!" thingy is in sources but I can imagine it's just a mistranslation, possibly not meaning any play but that she will be missed. - just returning from the first bike tour of the year, some other things first, but I'm determined to get her to the Main page ITN (not only DYK for which it's long enough but nobody looks), as a tribute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Could you please check the second-to-last entry in her list, matching a 2015 production in the theatre's list, of a play I've seen translated as Charmes and Charge, and with something added I don't get, not a simple "by", rather some "after"? The author mentioned then, is it the one the academy is named for (same initial, also a double name), or not (second part of the double looks too different to be the same)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
"Ганна - ЗАЧАРОВАНИЙ, за п'єсою І. Карпенка-Карого "Безталанна", реж. А. Білоус" - Google Translate says "Anna - ENCHANTED, based on the play by I. Karpenko-Kary "Talentless", dir. A. Belous". We don't have EN articles for either "Talentless" or Karpenko-Kary, but the Ukrainian Wikipedia does: Безталанна/Talentless; Іван Карпенко-Карий/Ivan Karpenko-Kary (woo, six interlanguage articles, just not English!). The UK article for Talentless doesn't mention an Anna, or a reason for it to be called Enchanted, so that needs more research. Sometimes plays are greatly rewritten in the production from the original (I just wrote an article about one that was: Trilby, or the Fairy of Argyll - some of the Adaptations are barely recognizable) so maybe that was what happened. Let me keep looking. --GRuban (talk) 15:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Aha. Here is the Young Theatre page about the play: https://molodyytheatre.com/repertoire/zacharovanyy and you can definitely see Oksana Shvets there as Anna/Hanna/Ганна on the Performers link, ДІЙОВІ ОСОБИ ТА ВИКОНАВЦІ, the second link. The play page does say it is based on the Beztallana/Talentless play by Karpenko-Kary, and the description on the page matches our Ukrainian Wikipedia article about the play. It's a love triangle, with miserable husband Gnat being torn between love for quiet wife Sofia and passionate Varka. Note that Anna/Hanna is again not a major role (which is probably why it wasn't even mentioned in our UK article). So. Um. Gerda: if you want a Ukrainian performing arts topic, may I suggest that Ivan Karpenko-Kary might be a much more fruitful target for your work? Clearly we need an EN article about him; the UK article is huge, and there are 6 other language articles, including a small one in DE. --GRuban (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pagesKAKarpenko6KaryIvan.htm is an English language page about Karpenko-Kary, and there Beztallana is translated as "The Fortuneless Maiden". So maybe this means "without a dowry", "without Talents" in the Biblical sense of money? Still doesn't explain why the Young Theatre titled their production "Enchanted". Also I did find a mention of Hanna on the UK page after all, saying she's a widow who suffers for reasons of her own. Not a happy play. Anyway, it still looks like, at least in her later years, Oksana Shvets mostly played supporting roles. --GRuban (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Coming in from a hike: wow, that's a lot of research! Would you please add the bit that you found (based on his ...) to her article? I have a few other things to handle, and - more important: you did the research. The theatre's link for that production is already there, just that bit of prose missing (even his name there, commented out, I just got cautious). You are right about the poet, but he'll need to wait to April, - women for me now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Serhiy Kot
I began Serhiy Kot, need a break, help with the language wanted - did he die of broken heart, I wonder. Can't see where he died, for exmaple. - music on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm working on the redlists for our Women's and Gender studies academics and ran across this photo. There is nada on the masthead or publishing notice and neither Press Telegram (with or without the -) or Curt Johnson appear in the 1977 Copyright Catalog. That being said, the photo is damaged and I think would be better as a head and shoulders crop, but can the bleed-through text on her chest be removed with one of your wands? SusunW (talk) 16:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm not actually the best image editor as such, but I can see what I can do. I really like the sign in the background. --GRuban (talk) 22:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
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I found this photo of Suzanne Stiver Lie. The masthead doesn't indicate that it is copyrighted and though I paged through twice, I find no publishing notice in that paper. I checked the copyright catalog and find nothing for Dayton, but then I found this which appears to be the same photo (top row, 2nd photo from the left). So I checked Wittenberger in the copyright catalog - found nada- and scrolled through the book but didn't see a copyright notice. I think I am probably fine, but would like a 2nd opinion. SusunW (talk) 22:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
And while I'm here, you once found a way to access something that I cannot run an OCR on for another article. I need the article on Lie that appears in this journal and it titled Kvinnelige Akademikere pp 7-11. I note there is a photo on page 10 of Lie, but I have no clue what Norway's rules are (for 1984 unknown photographer). SusunW (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Meanwhile, can I ask you for a favor? Remember the Yulia Tolopa article that you helped with? Well, I found images for it, and was so happy! But then I checked how the DYK nomination was going, and it seems that User:SL93 won't run it while there's an "{{overly detailed}}" maintenance tag on it. That tag was put up by User:Ffranc, and while I had hoped I had addressed it on Talk:Yulia Tolopa, it turns out I haven't - he removed one of two tags, but left this one. And, while Ffranc is a perfectly nice person, I even sort of collaborated with him on an article, he is allergic to giving specific correctable issues, you can see it took me many paragraphs of pleading to get him to give any issues I could actually address for the first tag. And while I appealed to Ffranc again, he hasn't edited in a week. See, I have "author blindness" - I've edited the article so much that I probably wouldn't see even a blatant issue with it any more. So I just can't see what he wants. You, on the other hand, have only focused on the Nationality section, so might be able to see what he's talking about, not to mention you have what - 71 GAs and 2 FAs? So, any chance you could read the article and see if you can understand what the tag is talking about, and how it could be corrected? --GRuban (talk) 14:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Glad you found a picture and totally happy to look at Tolopa's article. Thank you soooo much for the Norwegian article. You are truly magic. SusunW (talk) 15:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Will see and if the tag doesn't go away, we could post on WIR? Can I interest you in a Bulgarian? But don't let her interrupt Tolopa or my photo query SusunW (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
@SusunW: sorry for taking so long to get back to you. The Wittenberger yearbook has the better photos, and I agree it seems to have been published in 1956 without a copyright notice. So here are a couple of edited photos of Stiver from it, that headshot and another full length (classic 1950s bowling shoes!), as compensation for taking so long, and I uploaded five full pages (she was a member of a lot of Wittenberg college organizations!) to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Suzanne_Stiver_Lie in case you want a better image editor to take a shot at them. --GRuban (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I totally appreciate it. Got an e-mail from a former teacher of hers (well actually from a friend of a former teacher as the teacher doesn't use a computer and is over 90). She said Lie also wrote (and maybe illustrated, but I wasn't clear on that) children's books and she is going to send me more info for the article. :) Glad you were able to glean more photos. IMO, anytime we find a book with usable photos, we should load images that might be helpful. SusunW (talk) 16:47, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
So ... After Ilovaisk has a web page, in English at https://afterilovaisk.com/en/about/ and it describes the project pretty well. The bad news is that there is no freedom of panorama in Ukraine, so that's probably not a free image. I don't know where Боярці is (it would be transliterated as Boyartsi) but if it's in Ukraine as seems likely, that's likely not a free image. --GRuban (talk) 16:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Gerda - two? - you're too modest! I looked at the DYKs and I see your name in a third, completely unexpected place: Talk:Pastel QAnon/GA1?!? I'm used to you doing articles about opera and about Germany, but this is a deeply, deeply, United States politics article! I'm shocked! How did you get into this subject? --GRuban (talk) 19:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
The QAI person in me couldn't take a GA that was almost done fail just because the nominator was blocked ;) - DYK that I completely forgot about that little help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
ps: "Germany"? check what I wrote about the nationalities of women whose articles were created/expanded for women's month (look for #DYK for Panorama (German TV program)) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
File:Johannes zu Eltz Heilig-Kreuz Frankfurt Bornheim 12112017 (cropped).JPG
@Gerda Arendt: Cropped the image, but bad news about File:Wolfram Menschick.jpg - it, and so the image cropped from it, are nominated for deletion because it's not clear they're freely licensed. Uploader of the original image last edited 5 days ago, so maybe he'll answer. The Johannes zu Eltz contributor claims own work and to have also contributed hundreds of other images, so hopefully that one will be OK. --GRuban (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
thank you for the crop, taken even for the article - sad thing about Menschick (and some pics of church windows I took, and the artist just died this century - can't we say windows are part of the architecture? - dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
(Not pinging since basically no news yet.) Looking. Looks like there are basically two other images of her in various sources, one other full-length one, and one of her coffin being carried. The first two are almost equivalent, since she was basically wearing a black chador, though I guess it's possible to find a better quality scan of one. The coffin one could be useful. I will look to see if I can track down the original source of any of those and find a free license justification. --GRuban (talk) 00:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
I know exactly the coffin photo you mention and would love to use it in the article if you can find a way to justify it. She died 1954—EU copyright is 70 years. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please alwaysping!23:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
@Psiĥedelisto: I found a possibly better photo, but certainly not much better. Maybe you want to use it, or both. Your call. Will keep looking. Our copyright claims on these photos are ... debatable. Yes, they were published in Australian newspapers, so possibly are public domain due to the Australian law. However, there is a chance either or both is actually a press agency photo, say, Reuters or AP, and as such published originally in another country first. Of course they don't say they're press agency photos, and I did look a bit for a source that says it is, especially the second, and they were definitely published in Australia, and it was an internationally notable trial, so it is possible an Australian journalist was there, and sent the image home first, so we might be fine here, and that is what I'm going with. Just so you know. --GRuban (talk) 21:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
That seems most likely to me as well. The new photo would be better if her face wasn't worse. I wonder if just brightening her face would help or make it worse. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please alwaysping!22:10, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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I know, I know, it's not Russian, but that does not negate the fact that I need your help on a few issues. This says Ageyeva shared the Shevchenko National Prize with several other authors, for the "History of Ukrainian Literature of the XX Century". Issue 1: the editor of the works Vitaliy Donchyk [uk] served as editor of about 20 of these volumes with the same name, so trying to figure out what 2 volumes she was affiliated with was a mess. I found this link from the National Library of Ukraine which shows both volumes as #s 10 & 11. (I archived it because who knows how long that search would remain valid.) However, in both instances, Ageyeva is listed as the first author. Since there are 24 authors of the first textbook and 22 authors of the second, I only listed the co-authors in "selected works" who shared in the prize with her. (Not all of them worked on both volumes). I "think" I transliterated the names correctly in the text about who shared the prize with her. Can you check? Issue 2: I did not know what to call the link from the National Library as a source, so I listed the title with the names of #10 and 11. Does that seem logical? Issue 3: I noted that the isbn#s are not given on that link. So, I tried to find them in worldcat. This one is clearly volume 1 because at the bottom it says "Kn. 1. 1910-1930-ti roky", but I cannot find volume 2 anywhere. So I searched again and got this (#1 В339497/Кн. 2, ч. 1) which gives me ISBN numbers for both, but the one for volume 2 gives me an error message saying it is incorrect if I list it in WP or try to check it through worldcat. I don't know if it is a language issue or not, but can you help? SusunW (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
That's why I asked you. The link is brilliant! Thanks! It's confusing to me, but on her I have two sources in English, one from Harvard and another from a Ukrainian magazine and both give her name as Vira Ageyeva. I am not likely to question those two sources, as you know, Harvard... and the magazine piece actually is written in both Ukrainian and English, so I think they would know. I truly do appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 20:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Okay, so I have 4 sources giving her name in English as Ageyeva, so I'm going with that. You mean Andriy Kravchenko is a racecar driver, and he's not our guy. Nor is Melnyk from Lviv University. Our dude is Volodymyr A. Melnyk and I've left Hryhoriy Shton with a "y" on the end because I get google hits like that but none without the y. I've moved it live and left a hidden comment about the ISBN. If you can find it that'd be great, but I just don't have any other clues on how to find it. SusunW (talk) 21:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
@SusunW: OK, it took me a bit. First, as you properly observed, I know Russian, not Ukrainian, so while I can usually make some sense of the text so I'm better than someone not knowing any related language, on fine points like which letters to use to transliterate, I'm likely to be ... well ... you know the story of the Scots Wikipedia? Right. I'd be like that wonderfully helpful editor. Now we do have an article about this in general: Romanization of Ukrainian and apparently one about how we do it here on Wikipedia specifically Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian. According to that, Агеєва should be Aheieva. But if you found it in most English language sources as Ageyeva, then WP:COMMONNAME should apply and you can run with that.
I did however note that you used Donchik and Donchyk for the same person in two consecutive sentences in your article, so used the official table to pick the latter for that, and copied that plus your list of names with the UK wikipedia links into the List of Shevchenko National Prize laureates article.
ISBN9785325005718 [5325005715] (: set) - note that's the ISBN you've got. The worldcat page on the link you have says " 2-e izd", which probably means "2nd edition"; maybe the volumes were published independently first, then as a combined edition later?
I am in awe of your wand skills. It literally drove me to the end of my tether trying to figure it out. Gracias, mi amigo. SusunW (talk) 21:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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So, I found her photo p 127 but I am not sure if a yearbook is a book or a periodical? At any rate, I find no copyright mark on the book and nothing called Chieftain for either books (Jan-June, July-December) or periodicals for 1967. I think I am good, but would appreciate other eyes checking. Can you help? Trying to get one more women's studies scholar in before the end of the month. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 22:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Mollie Camp Davis, Instructor in History, West Georgia College 1967 yearbook photo
Department of History in Chieftain, 1967 yearbook for West Georgia College, p.127
That was a bizarre situation. So glad you questioned it further and suggested we write to her. Honestly wouldn't have occurred to me because of the Literary Dictionary entry. They are usually accurate. It is always fun to work with you and obviously we do a better job working together. Thank you so much for questioning it. SusunW (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Ehh. Not clear. We've got a rather good sized article about Barbara Bush, who is pretty clearly notable only due to being a wife and mother (just of really important husband and sons). At this moment I'm in a related argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alisha Kramer where I think this wife of a congressman has gotten sufficient notice for our notability, but others disagree. --GRuban (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Well, a first lady probably gets interest on her own. We'll see what happens. Sure I wrote the article somewhat angry at myself for covering three men but not the women who made them what they became, - education is different from happening to be married. It's a family joke how useful it is to have sons who become merchant, physician, musician and priest ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Same Ukrainian peace music is "on" today, with the conductor! - Pentecost (on last Sunday and Monday in Germany) brought a rich harvest of great music in two church services (one with me singing in choir) and two concerts with my brother in the orchestra, - four pictures I took besides the symphonic one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Stanisław Łapiński, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Jerzy Duszyński.
I found Grace Voss's article because someone else asked if a photograph she took could be used on WP. The photo was usable, but the article on Voss was, shall we say, not pretty. At any rate, I want photos and need your help:
TV PantomimeThis image, top right, was copyrighted as B534699 but I find no renewals.
Brooklyn EagleThis image was copyrighted in 1945. I see nothing in renewals for 1973 that would indicate it was extended.
I'd really like to have all 3, if you concur with my rationale. Also curious about this photo of her husband, but I have no idea how to find "pages" to search for copyright on this site. SusunW (talk) 21:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
OK, the first seems to actually be Television Age, not TV Pantomime, correct? If so, it's interesting, as it shares B534699 with a 1969 issue of Patient Care which was renewed, but I agree that I can't find any renewals for Television Age in https://cocatalog.loc.gov/. Unfortunately, that's a 1955 issue and it's a 1931 image, so I doubt they were the original photographers. In fact, our article Television/Radio Age (magazine) says they only started publishing in 1953.
The 1931 image as far as I can tell was from live "experimental" television. It aired on W2XAB a CBS affiliate. The publication in the magazine appears to be a "capture" of the tape from the program. Does that help? I really wanted it because it is the only image I can find that shows her acting career. SusunW (talk) 14:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Eh - I guess it might. We could search for a copyright statement for that 1931 broadcast, and if we don't find it, as seems would be likely, we could claim it under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-not_renewed; but we need to do the search, and I don't really know what to search for - I can't find W2XAB, but our article W2XAB says that was only its name for a short time, after which it became WCBS-TV, so it might be under that, or CBS or Columbia Television or ... ? You have more energy than I do, if you do a thorough search and can't find it, I'll believe you. --GRuban (talk) 15:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
The Television Age article says the photo of Voss came from the inaugural spot on 21 July. This says on page 172 that the first broadcast after the tests was named Television Inaugural Broadcast on 21 July. In the lists of episodes, Voss is not listed by name until 7 June 1932 in Pantomimes p 175.
Searched the Catalog Dramatic Compositions, Motion Pictures for "July 21, 1931" (No entries that mention the stations, Columbia, or Voss), "Television Inaugural Broadcast" and "Inaugural" (nothing), "Broadcast" (only results other than things marked "for radio broadcast" are Babes of the Budget Grace C. Gingras and Dorothy C. Reid p 107; The Big Broadcast Paramount Publix Corp, p 342; and Barnyard Broadcast (No. 18, Mickey Mouse) Walt Disney Productions p 342); "W2XAB" (nothing), "WCBS-TV" (nothing), "CBS" (nothing), "Columbia Broadcast" (Columbia Broadcasting System: Hank Simmons' Showboat (17 April 1931) pp 160 and 445, 1931 radio program; there are entries for Columbia Pictures Corp, but only the one for Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc.), "Voss" (nothing). I searched "television" and there are only 13 entries: Television girl, musical comedy, copyrighted as 6879 (24 October 1931) by Daniel Paul pp 371, 542, 577; Television, 4 skits and prologue copyrighted by D. A. Strachan as 1185 (29 January 1931) pp 62, 574; Television, a vaudeville sketch copyrighted by Eugene L. Winchester as 3836 (25 June 1931) pp 205, 577, 598; Television, a 3-act play copyrighted by James R. Brook as 5898 (12 September 1932) pp 276, 396, 532; The Fall of the McGinsburgs: A television take-off on a well known radio program copyrighted as 3165 (28 May 1932) by Mortimer Reis Lewis p 148; Novelty stunts 126 episodes, 1 labeled "Television" copyrighted by Dora Mary MacDonald as 1789 (12 January 1932) p 85; When Television Comes to Town copyrighted as 6663 (22 October 1931) p 359. All appear to be names of actual works, not the medium and none line up with the 21 June 1931 date. Anything else you think I should check? SusunW (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I like the second, the 1945 Brooklyn Eagle or Brooklyn Daily Eagle image better. I can't find a specific renewal in the Internet Archive for either, though it is a slog. Since our article Brooklyn Eagle says they went out of business in 1955, and briefly resumed from 1960-1963, I can well believe it is very likely they would never get around to renewing their copyright 28 years after 1945 which would be 1973. The accompanying article describes her Manhattan studio in detail, so I can believe the journalist visited in person and this could well be a Brooklyn Eagle owned photograph.
My thoughts were Brooklyn Eagle as the lede image, TV Pantomime under acting, husband's photo under photography, and The Machine under later life. SusunW (talk) 04:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
I think I figured out a technical thing, woo hoo! If you look at the link it ends in 2001059_2.pdf. The March 8 issue starts at "2001057.2". By changing the 57 to 58 and then 59 etc. you can advance to other pages, BUT the even pages are .1 and the odd pages .2, so for example 2001058.1 is page 2 and 2001058.2 is page 3, etc. The last page of March 8 is "2001068.2". At any rate, scrolling through in that manner, I see that the masthead has no mark. The publishing data doesn’t have a mark or copyright verbiage, but says "The Associated Press is entitled exclusively to the use for publication of all the local news printed in this newspaper, as well as all A.P. news dispatches. All rights of re-publication of special dispatches herein are also reserved," which seems to me is not talking about content in general, but AP press? I checked both Ossining and Citizen Register in the 1969 catalog and get nothing. So I think I can use hubby's photo too? SusunW (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
I am also working on an article on Pat Gozemba. I think I can use this photo on page 26 (last photo on the right side of the page). There are no marks or verbiage about copyright anywhere in The Clipper for 1977 that I can find. The Catalog on copyright for Books shows nothing for Jan-June or July-Dec, nor does the Periodicals volume for "Clipper", "Salem State", nor any of the editor names shown on page 288 when searching their surnames, "Carney", "Sprague", "LoPresto", "Lane", "Grace", "Gentile", "Sheehan", "Marchand", "Mayo", "Korkaris". Do you concur? I appreciate your help and hope all is well with you. SusunW (talk) 18:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Pat Gozemba in The Clipper, Salem State College 1977 yearbook
Pat Gozemba at Salem State Women's Center
cropped, brightened
Done but what a poorly posed photo. Any chance there is a better one in that yearbook that isn't labeled, but is clearly her? I couldn't find one, but there are hundreds of pages, I didn't have the energy to scan them all. I found one that is at least in color, but the posing isn't any better; she has her mouth closed, but is looking down. --GRuban (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
You are the best! Thank you. Yes, she seems pretty active. (I was actually really surprised we didn't have an article on her already.) You know I am terrible with explaining what we need about photos, so if you have time, that'd be great. But, these should let me nominate it for Pride month and if we get better ones, woo hoo! SusunW (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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I am very much an editor at Commons! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:GRuban Also a License Reviewer, and I hope a good one. I did actually serve a couple of weeks on VRT when it was called OTRS, but couldn't find a definitive answer as to what standards we should use to accept someone's email statement "I'm the owner of this photo". It seems to depend on the whim of whoever answers the email, and different people had very different standards - some would just take the subject's word for it, others asked for scanned legal documents. --GRuban (talk) 10:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Dangles carrot
Interested? I think we could still get another GA in for Pride month. There's a ton of references on the uk.wp article, though the first few I looked at didn't necessary contain any usable content from an en.wp standpoint. SusunW (talk) 21:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I think I have it pretty well done, but I have questions. Not remotely sure how to translate "Національні дружини". Sometimes I get National Wives, sometimes, National Women's Guard, and other times National Squad. Also am totally unsure about the Patriarch dude. I don't know if Філарет (Filaret) is a title, or a name, like a nun Jane Doe becomes Sister Mary upon ordination. Seems totally weird to call him by Filaret if it's a name, but I don't know what else to call him. I think I translated all the titles correctly, but I am not sure. So...if you could help with that it'd be great. If you are too busy, I can just take it to mainspace, but I'd rather not until you look at it. I appreciate you (and yes, I know, Ukrainian isn't Russian, but ...) SusunW (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
That makes perfect sense! Thanks. I really appreciate your edits and improvements. It was a hard one to write. Every time she was attacked, I was cringing. I also was unsure of whether to write it chronologically or topically, but I sort of combined both of those approaches, since I figure as a living person there will be more to add. On the photos, I tried to select ones that were illustrative of the various sections, but I am always unsure of licensing releases as opposed to those that are clearly out of copyright. SusunW (talk) 14:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Wow, the first one starts with "Olena Shevchenko is perhaps the most famous lesbian in Ukraine" - it would be great if we could work that into the article! Anyway, the first one says "біофак" which is "bio(logical) faculty", where faculty is a group of related disciplines in a school, our article Faculty (division) covers it pretty well. The resume says: "Закінчила Національний педагогічний університет імені М.П. Драгоманова, природничо-географічний факультет. Здобула диплом магістрині з соціології у Національному університеті "Києво-Могилянська академія"." I can translate that much just from knowing Russian, without an automated tool (preserving word order and capitalization):
"Completed the National pedagogical university name of M.P. Dragomanov, natural (presumably natural sciences) -geographical faculty. Earned a master's degree in sociology from the National university "Kiev-Mogila academy"."
So they don't really contradict each other, I'm pretty sure the biological faculty is part of the natural sciences-geographical faculty, biology is certainly a natural science. However, they're each groups; if this is all we have, I wouldn't say she majored in biology, as much as she was part of the bio faculty. She may well have had a more specific major than just biology. --GRuban (talk) 15:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I can definitely add the bit about her being the most famous lesbian. The schooling bit was confusing to me. Perhaps as biology means life, the closest English equivalent would be life science faculty? When we resolve that, do you think it's ready to go live? SusunW (talk) 15:51, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I moved it to main space and asked Ian to look it over before I nominate it. Wanted to get it in before Pride month is over and I have appointments this afternoon and tomorrow, so not sure of my timeline because of real life. I so appreciate all that you do to help make articles better. SusunW (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.
Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]
In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).
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Sorry about that, reverted that addition. For the better image, though, we need the image to be released to be freely usable and editable by everyone, like the rest of the Wikipedia. Could you please put a statement next to that image on that page (or on nadiamyre.net, or on your Facebook or Twitter - basically something that is clearly under your control) that says "Released under https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"? Then we could use it. Thank you! --GRuban (talk) 21:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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