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Burusho people
Dear User:Fylindfotberserk, I hope that you're doing well. I wanted to let you know that our special acquaintance is also removing information at the article on the Burusho people and adding his POV elsewhere. As you have edited that article before, I'd be grateful if you could watch it, as I just now noticed these edits. With regards, AnupamTalk21:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Anupam: I've seen that edit, that article is in my watchlist. I was waiting for somebody to make the necessary changes. This guy is a run of the mill anti-Indian Pakistani you come across in youtubes and facebooks who believe they are alien to this sub-continent. Especially this shows his low level mentality. Thanks for the changes. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 05:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Remember this guy, he's changing India to Indus valley or Pakistan everywhere he can, only to get reverted by others. This one seems like a meat of the above one since after the very first few edits of the latter, I filed an SPI and the results were negative. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello there, curious to know if you have good hand on Indian Political Articles. I was checking some of the articles related to Indian National Congress and leaders associated with it, highly exploited. So, if you are good at it need your help taking Rahul Gandhi to a GA level.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS☣✅16:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
@25 Cents FC: I've quite a lot of pending changes to see. But since Rahul Gandhi's article is in my watchlist, I'll definitely try to help. If not anything, I'll do cleanups and copyedits. Thanks for asking. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
@HinduKshatrana: Atleast a day or two. If the other user is editing WIkpedia but ignoring your comments at the talk, you should ping them first. Give them a day, then restore it with relevant comments on talk page. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
This is gross. The other editor had reverted with no explanation except for "Please discuss this on talk page before adding content", and then left the scene without trace. That's ultimate dickishness LOL. This example should be added in the guidelines about how BRD does not work. –Austronesier (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
This month will mark the 1 year of when I started this account, that was so long ago... I was looking at all the questions I asked at the start. It's crazy that I'm now am awswering those question. Looking at some of the question now makes me things why did I not know that, or why did I ask for rollback with 16 mainspace edits (nothing copmpared to my 1000 mainspace edits.) Well I guess we just wait for one year. Best, Signed,The4lines |||| (You Asked?) (What I have Done.)18:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey I need your advice as a highly experienced editor. I am being reprimanded by a fellow editor named Cassiopeia for trying to improve accuracy of MMA fighter stats. First I updated some pages to ESPN stats for height and weight and he messaged me saying I was vandalising pages even though I was giving official cited and accurate sources for my edits. He told me we use Sherdog for MMA fighter stats exclusively and that we don't cite other sources unless stats are unavailable on Sherdog. So then I followed his instructions and changed the weight on a fighters page to reflect the stats on Sherdog which didn't match up. He also reprimanded me for this and reverted my edit which I consider to be completely contradictory to what he just told me previously. So I'm somewhat confused on what is acceptable as an official cited source for MMA profiles and I am wondering what I am doing wrong here? He seems to be contradicting himself and has threatened to block for editing when I am using official cited sources and attempting to genuinely improve accuracy. Hunterb212 (talk) 19:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Hmm not sure but yes he comes off as pretty hostile as well immediately threatened to block me from editing after I made an edit and provided an accurate source as well. Not sure why he is against ESPN stats for MMA fighters because ESPN is actually more accurate than Sherdog as they update fighter stats after every weigh in which Sherdog does not do. And like I said when I used Sherdog stats instead he still reverted it and continued to threaten blocking me which just left me confused lol. Hunterb212 (talk) 19:51, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
He finally backed off once I started using Sherdog stats only. Also he demands that you don't use citations next to height and weight because MMA pages have cite Sherdog at the bottom of the infobox. I just found it crazy how he came at me for using ESPN stats which to me is probably a more official and reliable source than Sherdog is. I probably won't report him though unless he starts up again. Thanks for the advice though wish they were more friendly editors on here who didn't automatically assume you have bad intentions and want to vandalize pages which I certainly am not about that. I only try to improve pages and make them more accurate. Hunterb212 (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Hunterb212 They obviously have some WP:OWN issues. Even if they want it their way, the method is to discuss in the talk page of the article, not bombard your opponent with warnings, especially since all you are doing is putting good sources and acting in good faith. Ask them next time to point to a policy on why sherdog is better, instead of anecdotal evidences like ESPN joined hands with Sherdog etc. In Pro-Wrestling, we have a clear rules. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 05:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I know you keep an eye on the page (as I do). I don't know what the Islamic editor is all about really; wrong place for his hate messages! But, instagram is one of the sites actually mentioned at WP:ELNO in the bit about social media. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 19:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@Eagleash: Yeah, but I'm adding it as per WP:ELMIN, WP:ELOFFICIAL and WP:Twitter-EL, especially in the last one it says "Exceptions are made for official links when the subject of the article has no other Web presence". This specific IP hopper has been hounding me for the past one month. Many admins know about it. We have been whack-a-moling and range-blocking a lot, but it keeps on going. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
OK, but Instagram doesn't really equate to Twitter in any respect though; it's a third- or fourth-rate social media imaging offshoot of Facebook and posts don't carry the same gravitas at all. But if she's got no other accounts, I suppose it might have to do. Eagleash (talk) 20:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@Eagleash: I search for Twitter or Facebook first. If there's nothing else then Instagram. Lately, I've seen a lot of fake profiles in Twitter, possibly the reason why many celebs are migrating to Instagram. And as for posts, any thing of value from a verified Insta profile like birthday is very much reliable to cross verify with IMO. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@ANTROBAROTICS: I don't know what you are talking about. Bring me Christian articles that mention castes. Please do it. If you try to add that phrase "they belong to upper-caste" in Tiwari article, then people will demand every other caste article to have that. Maintain parity. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Its was mentioned in every article but people like you. Came and removed it. Let People edit themselves in every other articles.
Bhraman doesn't mean Caste it is activity that is Followed by people from upper caste. Kindly read the book for more information. ANTROBAROTICS (talk) 09:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@ANTROBAROTICS: Wikipedia is not your personal blog. We do not mention upper, lower and mid caste in surname articles. And Brahmin is a caste as per common parlance in Wikipedia. Kindly understand that. Follow Wikipedia rules. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
SHOW ME THE LEGAL DOCUMENTS. THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ABUSE OUR CULTURE BY MODIFICATION OF CONTEXT. TO MANIPULATE AUDIENCE IN THE MATTER OF CONFLICT. ANTROBAROTICS (talk) 12:01, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@ANTROBAROTICS: What abuse? ONly that mention of upper caste is unnecessary in that article. Stop displaying WP:OWN behavior. Nobody is manipulating anything. Indians know that Tiwaris are Brahmins thus upper castes and foreigners do not even care. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:07, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Most of the editing on Indian articles are made by Americans and English speakers. Some of the GA and FA articles. You don't have to be from one community to edit another community's articles.- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
First, enlighten yourself on how to edit Wiki articles. Visit Help:Introduction which was posted in your talk page, seems like you haven't gone through it. Also see WP:V on why each newly added content needs sources in support and how to identify reliable sources. Also go through links like WP:BRD, WP:CIR, WP:OR. Just because you can easily edit Wikipedia articles doesn't mean it has no policies and guidelines. Note that Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:56, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@1699arshsher: I'm following what the source is saying. You are the one putting original researches in the article. The accompanying source [1] doesn't say "Durga is the worker of the divine" like you are trying to put, instead it says The Sikh literature that univocally exalts the divine as Durga, the Goddess is a composition traditionally attributed to Guru Gobind Singh in th Dasam Grath. The source also talks about the uneasiness Sikhs have with this view. All of the para is well-sourced. Do not change that as per your POV. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:06, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Help regarding a page.
Hi again Fylindfotberserk , there's some Sumit Banaphar guy removing cited information from Jadeja and Parmar page. And surprisingly an IP editor was correct on Jadeja page. Actual lineage is always far better and important than mythological claims. Do check it out, you might know better what to do in this one. Thanks. HinduKshatrana (talk) 13:45, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@HinduKshatrana: I'd say restore to Sitush's version as far as article body is concerned which seems the last good. As far as "notable people" goes, the policy is that a person bearing a surname that links to a specific caste doesn't necessarily mean that that the person belongs to that caste. Is there any separate surname article on Jadeja? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: No there's only one article on Jadeja surname. Sitush's version is good and it also retains that Jadejas are from Samma Dynasty. And the references provided by the IP guy recently in his edits also proves that they(Jadejas) had links with Samma Dynasty and Jamshed/Jamshid of Iran from whom the whole Samma Dynasty took the title Jam, including the Jadejas. So it does proves the point of the IP editor guy. And it's always better than claims of origin from mythology. The guy did gave all the references to support the claim. HinduKshatrana (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@HinduKshatrana:Since it is only one article, as per this, it would requires sources (self-identification in the case of BLP) that proves that some Mr. XYZ Jadeja belongs to the Jadeja clan. But since a lot would be unsourced, you can put a line below the header mentioning soemthing like "This is a list of notable people bearing the surname Jadeja that may or may not belong to the caste of the same name". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Wait! I think there's some misunderstanding over here, @Fylindfotberserk:. I'm not talking about adding a person's name belonging to the surname. I'm talking about this addition to the Jadeja page. The IP editor added the origin of Jadeja clan with valid reasons and references as support and then some Sumit guy removed it. I checked the resources provided in this edit and they did supported the fact that this clan have claimed their descent from a Jamshid/Jamshed of Iran. Take a look. --HinduKshatrana (talk) 15:54, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@HinduKshatrana: Well I was talking about the list that has been added. As for the descent, most of the sources are snippets. This one talks about descent from Jada. AAnd Jadejas being common in south-west Punjab and Sindh. This one talks about Jam saheb, but can't view the whole para. History Of The Delhi Sultanate (Set Of 2 Vols) is not viewable. IMO only the first one is usable. The rest of the things are same in the IP's edit [2] except from the removal of mythic origin that was kept in Sitush's version. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: A simple search got me this. Now, I don't know if Google's algorithm will show you the same results as it did to me, but even the first-most result page got me like 8 out of 10 books mentioning Jadeja's descendancy from Jamshed of Persia. Many books said he was an Emperor or a ruler of Iran. Looks like this guy picked few books from top results. --HinduKshatrana (talk) 16:27, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@HinduKshatrana: Yeah, google algorithm is to blame. I can't see much though. Only one is showing something of value. This one [3] from the article mentions Jam saheb which is also mention in here, however the latter one clearly mentions The Jadejas , princes of Cutch , claimed that they were the descendants of the great Emperor Jamshed of Iran. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Yes. And not just one or two books but many are saying that they are descendants of Jamshed/Jamshid from Iran/Persia. Few indicates he was an Emperor or some ruler. The Samma or Jadeja people got their title Jam from him. --HinduKshatrana (talk) 16:48, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi hope u are fine. On the page of Ritlal Yadav who recently came out of the jail after 10 yrs as he is facing sentence in multiple crimes a user who had earlier been in conflict with me at Grand Democratic Secular Front...(not only with me but with 2 3 other users also) reverted whole of my edits. I am aware of BLP rules but I don't know how to write about criminals who are facing jail terms and not merely alleged in a crime. I have reverted it but want u to check minor edits which are required to undo BLP issue. We can't revert all on the charges of being defamatory as he did because if u find any source about the subject that only discuss about his crime history. So I don't know what is defamatory here.plz see Heba Aisha (talk) 05:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Heba Aisha:This version doesn't look bad. Seems properly sourced. I don't know what kind of "Gross BLP violations" were made. Perhaps you can bring them to the talk page and ask for what kind of changes need to be made since these are sourced. As for my own opinion, a bit of trimming, removal of puff words and trivia (if any) and a little elaboration on his political career seems necessary keeping WP:NPOV and WP:BALANCE in mind. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:44, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
That's my version....but he do not try to understand I talked to him on my talk page[4] but no results. You are a senior editor so it is possible he will listen to you.Heba Aisha (talk) 10:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Heba Aisha: I haven't checked all the sources, but one source title "पति के कत्ल के आरोपी डॉन से है पत्नी का मुक़ाबला.." seems there was no conviction. So it is potentially libelous as per Wikipedia guidelines. In that case you should open a discussion as per WP:BRD, bring your versions sentence by sentence in the talk and ask the other user which of the infos need to be removed, modified or can be kept as it is. Blatant removal is not a great idea IMO. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi I recently reported this user for edit warring and he was blocked for 24 hours. Its been a little after his block and his disruptive edits and reverts have started again. I suspect this time he's started to use a sockpuppet as I've detailed here. My question here is, how do I restart the edit war discussion on WP:ANEW since the discussion has already been archived. Prolix💬19:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
@Prolix: If they start with their disruptive edits immediately after (within one day) of their block you can report them at WP:AIV with a tag "Vandalism after recent (within 1 day) release of block" (available in Twinkle) for quick action. The newer block will be for a bigger timeframe.
As for the edit war, you have to start with a new WP:ANEW report, link the old report there and also mention that the new user is probably a sock (link this report). SPI's typically take time if the admins are taking on a first time sock. After the SPI and/or the 3RR gets the sock banned, next time on you can just revert them citing "Rv sock edits by User:BNJ Nilam". If that time the edits are potentially 3RR, you can report them to AIV for quick action citing those SPIs and ANEW investigations. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Fylindfotberserk, thanks for the information. I think at this point it would be best to report the user to AIV and let the sock investigation take its course. Lots of disruptive edit warring these past few weeks, really annoying to deal with. Prolix💬07:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Prolix: Report them at ANI, also make note that a user using IP for reverts is sockpuppetry. Also ping Arjayay since he had also reverted the "Metropolis" edit. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
@Bishonen: I said ANI, since that user seems to be socking using both the user and the IPs as well as edit warring and POV pushing. I think the initial complaint may be registered at ANI. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello User I want to inform u that There is a edir warring Going on Laxmmi Bomb movie page about Name of Akshay kumar in movie which is Asif acc to Alll sources I add citations too however Users are Vadalising the Page again & again without reaching consensous on Talk Page.Kindly Lock the Page to avoid unnessary edit warring As it is tough to revert edits even for Me.
Aristocratic 536 (talk) 07:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok I will kept that in mind from now I just thought those conversations were unneccsary now Thus i removed anyway i will kept in Mind to not remove Contruvtive talks. Aristocratic 536 (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
How to Create A Wiki Page
Hello Freind i again want to ask u how can i create a wikipedia page for Life ok Tv Serial May i come in madam Which aired between 2016-17 and a current serial known as Excuse me Madam.Kindly guide me on how to use templates for new Page and in how much time it get published. I dont know why both these pages were removed. Aristocratic 536 (talk) 05:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Fylindfotberserk, Any idea what the IP meant by his comments in this edit? It is not added in a generalized way as it clearly mentions Koknan belt.
[5]. Thanks LukeEmily (talk) 00:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@LukeEmily: I don't understand but seems like this sock. They had problems with the mention of Saraswats being non-vegs and fish eaters as well as their ritual status in historic times in Maharashtra. In some articles they have used the word "pescatarian" specifically. See this and also this diff. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I did discuss in the Meitei people talk article but no one responded,its not edit war but why is a native name not allowed Kangleipak is very common to Meitei people.ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯡ (ꯆꯥ) 14:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Luwanglinux: I've opened a discussion there in the talk page and called some other users. Note that historic terms and terms prevalent only among the ethnic groups are not written in the lead, only WP:COMMONNAME in ENglish and official names. Check Germans article, no mention of Deutschland in it, the name used by Germans locally. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
1- is there a problem if I quote Puri verbatim which says "The Khatris as an integral part of the old Kshatriya caste no doubt differ from neo-Kshatriyas, Rajputras or Rajputs."
After last edit "no doubt" was removed.
2 - Since we are mentioning the names of all the authors whose views have been cited in the article, let us mention David N. Lorenzen in the paragraph where it is said that most scholars dispute these facts. Otherwise it comes across more as a general view than an individual opinion. Would like to know your views Sayanha7 (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sayanha7: You can put quotes on that sentence from Puri's and add the exact words. What are you trying to do with Lorenzen's source? Could you make it clear here the quotes you are going to write? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
"However, these claims are disputed by most of the scholars who consider castes in north India, like Khatri and Kayastha to be merchant castes who claim higher status to befit the educational and economic progress they made in the past."
I want to add "according to Lorenzen," in this paragraph, as have been done in all preceeding paragraphs while citing scholars and experts.
Hello, I need brief assistance from you I wants tk creates Sandeep Anand wikipedia page.However on Page their is a blog log which isn't allowing me to Create page,Kindly remove the blog as i have good and reliable citation about the individual.Please check out soon,Also how to add external link of Hotstar on Wikipedia page of Tv serial????? Kindly soon Assist. Thank u. Aristocratic 536 (talk) 05:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello @Fylindfotberserk: Firstly thanks for ur consistent support in last few days secondly i need ur Help again. As i created May I Come In Madam i creat several section of Seuquel series and reception so that the article cant be removed as it has enough good sources i add citation from Reliable Times of India but a user removed them commenting poor english i know it can be the case but Kindly dont remove entirely try to correct as it takes time to find good sources .Now i re add important sections kindly u took some time and Review those parts and correct small errors if there are any. Kindly do it quicky Its a requests. Thanks and Cheers. Aristocratic 536 (talk) 02:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Aristocratic 536: Did minor copy-edit to the last section. But the reception section has problems. The inline source at the end doesn't support the content, that is, it talks about whether Sandeep Anand is going to quit the show or not! No mention of ratings or reception. Find a source that writes about the reception. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for minor edits @Fylindfotberserk: Anyway you should read the citation property as it said one of Top running shows on life ok with a good Trp also Sequel citation mention about popularity of first season that's why second season aired.Anyway I am trying to find more good sources for reception section will hopefully get them in A day or Two. Cheers. Have a Good Day 😊😊 Aristocratic 536 (talk) 08:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Aristocratic 536: I saw that, but when you write "Mostly positive reviews by the Fans and Viewers" the wordings need to be explicitly sourced so that we do not do WP:OR. Also take note of MOS:PUFF in "become a mass favourite in the comedy genre". Instead a more neutral tone should be used for exp "The show was well received with a TRP of 0.9". Something like that. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok No problem You can change that portion as u wish or as u think it should be. Also in how much time a new article is placed on Google search engine. Aristocratic 536 (talk) 03:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Great work on Pakistan related articles! You do fantastic work. I especially want to thank you for the work you do in maintaining quality on Pakistani cities, languages, and ethnicities. Zakaria1978 ښه راغلاست (talk) 03:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Recently a editor created page for Life ok serial May I Come In Madam sequel Which is Excuse Me Madam,However there are issues in article kindly look after it As even the spelling of Madaam is incorrect I correct it on Main section however spelling is still wrong on Tittle due to which we cant either add link to this article from star cast page.Correct this informations and check the article soon.Thanks and Cheers. Aristocratic 536 (talk) 11:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
