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User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Archive 8
Neutral toneI must admit that your version is nearest to the neutral point. But can I ask (before making changes to replace "Slavic ethnic group and the language within Yugoslavia" with "ethnic Macedonians group and their language within Yugoslavia"? And also as we can some pages it is stated that the most southern part of Yugoslavia is Macedonia, and in others that the Socialist republic of yugoslavia is Macedonia. So, according to me this will be the best solution: Some authors from the Republic of Macedonia have pointed out in support of their position that Greek authorities themselves, prior to the 1990s, used the name Macedonia to refer to the then Yugoslavian Socialist Republic of Macedonia, implying that the later rejection was artificial and politically motivated. They quote Greek geography school books from the 1980s that use the term with reference to southern Yugoslavia or Socialist Republic of Macedonia and also include the terms Macedonians and Macedonian for the ethnic Macedonian group and their language within Yugoslavia. With respect. Revizionist 11:10, 09 September 2007 (UTC)
Request.You're good at Macedonia related stuff....please take a look at this discussion here regarding the PD-RoM template. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 17:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
ThanksThanks for the response! It was exactly what I needed. Shup's back at IP 151.44.156.78 tonight, but seems to be behaving himself. Once again, I appreciate all that you're doing (overall! You seem to have you hands full lately...). Hiberniantears 02:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello, An Arbitration case on which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Newyorkbrad 20:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Regarding edits on Atanas Badev, this has been edit warring there for the past four months. He reverts away from compromise version by myself, Laveol and Capricornis. Also he is editing through sockpuppets: this ip adds a picture just uploaded by Strich3d. Same thing a couple of days ago he uploads this image, and then anon user inserts it here. Also he seems to be erasing the notice for lack of licence information. Mr. Neutron 20:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, need helpWhat to I have to do to change the result of this? Just read the rationale on the votes and the first paragraph of Koine Greek (if you don't already know it) to see how important that third era is. For the record, the voters urge me to list myself in grc (Ancient Greek), which is much further than what I can confidently and easily understand. Koine is the predecessor of demotic, and I'm very glad I don't miss a iota in the original text of the New Testament. I couldn't say the same for Plato or -worse- Homer though... If the ISO of "ke" is the problem, then let's just fix it. NikoSilver 23:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Just some chat about linguistics
Bre Fut, I read the Revelation from my Bible too, sorry for the wrong (just discovered) link. Well, you have a point, I should have immediately spotted the difference in ease of comprehension. Truth is, I can't immediately classify the Greek I read to a specific era. Anyway, how old is this English (?) text you quoted? About the Katharevousa thing, you won't find me as criticizing as yourself. Personally, I believe that the utility of being able to have easier access to such huge amount of wisdom (be it the New Testament or Plato and Homer), deserves the "intervention", as long as this is not forced of course. So I agree to the end, but I criticize (just like you) the means. NikoSilver 10:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Zero. Does anybody? Isn't it a "pity" that this stuff is not taught or otherwise preserved a bit? I also note that all languages tend to become over-simplified. Declensions, tenses and vocabulary etc are becoming obsolete. In my view the language is the tool for the brain. To give you a parallel, it is another thing to run Visual Basic in your brain, and another to run e.g. COBOL. The only problem is that the computer languages evolve, while the human ones perish. Are we becoming dumber? NikoSilver 10:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This year the heathens spent the winter on Shepey for the first time; and in the same year King Aethelwulf registered the tenth part of his lands, across all his kingdom, for the love of God and for his own eternal salvation. It's completely opaque for the modern reader, but if you look more closely, you'll see that the only word that really hasn't survived into the modern language in some similar form at least is "ecer", 'eternal'. As for dumbing language down, no we aren't. We are going through grammaticalisation cycles. We continually create new inflectional forms out of periphrastic constructions, then the inflections get eroded, then in parallel we start inventing new ones. There's no evidence that at any stage of the process the language is any more "complex" than in the other. It's like this:
And so on... Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Me eksitároun óla aytá! Ooops! I just noticed there is an Anglo-Greek Sprachbound too! NikoSilver 14:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGKvb2MkeiM ProblemWhen I try to edit Talk:Ilinden-Preobrazhenie Uprising, I can't; a notice appears which says "This page is currently semi-protected, and can only be edited by established registered users". Is there some other venue where I can complain about Strich3d's edits? It's foolish to assume that all Greeks in Macedonia at that time were "Grecomans" (even though the source cited speaks of "Greeks") and it's even more foolish to use websites like cybermacedonia.com as references.--NetProfit 15:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I recreated that because of an edit war at Template:Greeks. El Greco refuses to remove the link even though the article has been deleted and it seems pointless to keep a red link if there is no hope of there ever being an article there (unlike for example Greeks in Russia).--NetProfit 21:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Also, do you think you could have a look at the edit war at Germanos Karavangelis.--NetProfit 21:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC) He says it being deleted "doesn't mean it can't and won't be recreated".--NetProfit 21:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC) How about the fact that NetProfit called be a bigot, doesn't that count for anything? See my talk page Vandalism section El Greco (talk · contribs) 23:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Hmm... whereas you calling the edit discussed "vandalism" was no problem.--NetProfit 23:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
217.43.58.131 and Digby TantrumFYI , the user at IP 217.43.58.131 currently vandalising Digby Tantrum's talk page would appear to be a career vandal and sockpuppeteer who most-recently went by the now-blocked name of Learntruck. But then, you'll probably already know all this by the time it's taken me to write this... Best regards, Liquidfinale 11:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Liancourt RocksHi Fut. Perf. It might be nice to revise your comments to include the fourth revert by NiYet, who an admin blocked for his (in the admin's words) a "clear-cut" violation of 3RR. As for "unconstructive," I noticed that Lactose at least added several references addressing the unsupported claims NiYet made five times in < 24 hours, attempting to weakly obscure by making some unrelated changes in the guise of "constructiveness." I might add that I understand where you are coming from in terms of looking down on reverts in general, but keep in mind that some are (correctly) used not in a revert-war fashion, but in an appropriate illustration of consensus or fixing vandalism. Anon ip's especially plague this article with violating some pretty clear naming convention guidelines (such as changing all instances of "Sea of Japan" to "East Sea.") The naming convention guidelines in question involved dozens of editors and much discussion, and reflects on of the most successful instances of consensus compromises in Wikipedia. I don't want to fall into the "my version is the right version," (heck, it's why I reverted only once), but keep in mind that not all reverts are equal, and that in general editors bear the burden of supporting the insertion of unreferenced material with references if they want to add them. I don't find editors such as NiYet especially constructive, as your comments had suggested, when they insist on a change that many times in a 24 hour period (5 before being blocked from doing it further) without even bothering to discuss the changes with the many editors who regularly edit the article, even when it became painfully clear that they were controversial edits. --Cheers, Komdori 23:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Since you are taking an interest in this article, you may want to review recent edits from melonbarmonster. I personally don't have a problem with putting Korea before Japan in the first paragraph, but he edited only for the sake of doing that, didn't run it by the talk page first, and reverted my change, which was to put back in some sourced and I think important information that he removed without explanation. I left the order of the countries the way he put it even though there is no justification for changing them. You don't need to block me, because I am going to take 24 hours off from this article, but you might want to consider warning him because he's being very rude and inflammatory. Alexwoods 21:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
My RfCIs there any way you could take control of this? I know it's just an RfC and doesn't really mean much, but I'm getting support from users who are pretty clearly sockpuppets, which just makes me look bad. Lexicon (talk) 02:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC) ChechnyaHi! A certain anon user adds nonsense to the articles about Chechnya and its history. He's been reverted by many people countless times but still engages in it using different ips. Could you semi-protect these articles for a while? Alæxis¿question? 06:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
HelloWhat exactly do you want from?? Are you one of the those who denide Macedonians to?? Pozdrav Makedonij 12:10 18 September 2007(UTC) RFC Lexicon ClosureFirst let me commend you for your correct decision in closing an RFC that was opened without proper conflict resolution process. I have been in Wikipedia over a year and obviously deal with controversial issues such as Human Rights , Massacres, Assassinations , Rapes which not a fun thing to do as it can affect ones personal quality of life. I expect a certain kind of flack from people who disagree with me that such information is either wrong, trivial or outright embarrassing to be out there. This I have rationalized and accepted as part of my being part of the Wikipedia community. When you said that if this issue goes to an Arbcom then you see the potential of bans on both sides, you accept that there are clear cut two sides. I think the only two sides are not pro - Sri Lankan government versus anti- Sri Lankan government as it might present itself to any uninvolved outsider but those who play by Wikipedia rules and those who don’t. As you may have seen in the talk page of the effected editors, many Admins had a chance to correct the uncivil behavior much earlier on. By allowing the problem to grow now we have an rfc and a potential rfa, all taking time away from what we are here for, that is to contribute to the project. Just my thoughts Taprobanus 21:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC) OTTHi there. Much of User Makedonij's front page reads like a personalised blog and is irredentist (I think that would also be the view from Athens, Skopje, Sofia and Tirana). This has happened in the past by User Makedonia and he kindly agreed to change (most, not all) the material incompatible with wikipedia terms. Politis 12:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC) There are many userpages which reveal that the user's objective in Wikipedia is to spread propaganda (User:INkubusse (also look at the flags he uses to represent Bulgaria and Greece at the bottom of his userpage here), User:Strich3d, User:Vlatkoto and so on). I think it should be allowed, it helps regular users understand what kind of people they're dealing with (after all, a picture is worth a thousand words).--NetProfit 12:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
RE: Template removal
Can I just put it under my name as user:Wiki Raja/state sponsored terrorism? Wiki Raja 06:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Template:User state sponsored terrorismWhat, in your opinion, is wrong with this userbox? I was going to userfy it but you deleted it before I had a chance to. When I figured out what had happened, I decided to defer to your decision but I would appreciate understanding your thought process since you reached a different conclusion than I did. My conclusion was: inappropriate for template space but OK in user space per the German userbox solution. Your conclusion seemed to be: inappropriate in any space. Can you explain why you reached that conclusion? Thanx. --Richard 06:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
rules of conductHi, Future Perfect. I want to hear your opinion because you proposed Talk:Liancourt Rocks#New rules of conduct. Is such a one-sided edit permitted? [4] I think that he violates "uncooperative editing" and "slow it down".--Opp2 08:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC) TranslationHere's the translation: Hey, there are some pictures of Ancient (or old) Greek atlases on kajgana (kajgana.com) with the name μακεδονία (makedonia)... I can't contact the admins, but I'll try and ask for them, just tell me if they'll be of any use... If we, the participants of WP ROMacedonia, think of something, the Greeks won't be happy :) (trying to say that if they prove anything, the Greeks won't take it too euphorically lol) INkubusse 20:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, this user is asking his block to be reviewed. Since I am not familiar with the mess this article is, would you like to comment/review the block? :) -- lucasbfr talk 22:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Uncooperative editingooops, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of the new rules in force for the Liancourt Rocks article, and thank you for not blocking me, I might lack tact and be a little thoughtless with my edits at times, but I wasn't looking to get banned - thanks again for giving me a warning instead of a ban. BTW is it possible for the warning to be shown on the actual edit page, rather/as well as the discussion page? I think that would ensure that there are no more silly edits and admins will not have to consider "hmmmmm did they see the warning or not?" thanks Sennen goroshi 17:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia:WikiProject ROMacedonia/To Do ListRefrain from unilaterally deleting content from this project without discussing it first. There is no POV pushing whatsoever on the page, but a simple list of articles that need attention in order of importance. If you took the time to look at the list of members, you would have seen there's a greek and a bulgarian guy among the members, and I am sure they will keep an eye on any POV better than you. thank you Capricornis 19:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
edit summaries?Sure, I keep forgetting, I'll start using them. Oh, another thing. I want to ask you why you specifically blocked only the Korea side editors? What is that supposed to mean? That you're going to hand out blocks to Korean editors, or maybe that its a sign your going to pick on us? Look, we've had way too much trouble around here. And its not just the Korean editors that are at fault. We've taken our cases to dispute resolution processes before and it almost always went against us. You know why? Its because editors like LactoseTI or Komdori make their arguments using WP:NPOV. Simply because Korea has a stronger history of claim than Japan in Liancourt Rocks doesn't mean that its biased. Thats a fact and it'll show up on the article regardless of what they think. But by using WP:NPOV, it seems as if the JPOV editors' arguments are justified. Trying to put Japan at equal political footage on Wikipedia doesn't work. I just wanted to let you know that. This has gone too far. By mentioning that you didn't block us for biased reasons, shows that you are biased yourself, of course the action shows it as well. When LactoseTI reports me for 3RR, that means he has been edit warring too. I'm extremely displeased with how pro-Japan editors are tearing apart Korean-related articles everyday (no I'm not exxagerating. Check Kimchi, Goguryeo, Korean War, Balhae, Korean Cuisine, to name a few) and even more angry at how almost every single administrator I've met has failed to be fair to all of us. I'm cooking up enough evidence to make sure that some editors here are dealt with accordingly. I never said that I'm perfect, but I'm ready to strike down on anti-Korean sentiment here. So, why am I ranting like this? Because I'm having an emotional breakdown? No, because the story has been like this ever since. I think you should know that too. Good friend100 20:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
ArchivingSince you seem to be our (at least temporarily) resident janitor over at Liancourt Rocks, might you be willing to take a stab at archiving the talk page for us? It really should be done with the move method, but I'm afraid to mess with anything right now since things are looking cautiously optimistic in terms of quality of discussion. Most of the sections are relatively recent (in the past month or so), but it's over 250K, and if we need to revisit a stagnated conversation later we can always revive it. In general, thanks for taking an interest in helping everyone sort out the tangle there. —LactoseTIT 23:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC) Over a week ago, you left a message on The Behnam's talkpage, asking him to remove this page. he acknowledged reading it, but has done nothing to remove the page so far. Perhaps you need to discuss this with him further. Or should I just go ahead and delete it, and let you know if he re-creates it? Jeffpw 06:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Fut. Perf., I saw your post on ANI about policing the Liancourt Rocks article, and wondered if you had noticed the Liancourt Rocks-related edits over at Japanese Sea Lion, e.g. [5] by User:Jjok. Long ago, Jjok was suspected of being a sockpuppet of User:Opp2--the case is Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Opp2. I found that accusation plausible then, and I think it's plausible now. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
BLP concernHello! As you are a at the moment active admin I would like to ask you to take a look at the history of the article Mossad. I have removed the addition of an IP about a named person to be a leading agent of this organisation and being involved in an assassination. While this could just be nonsense I think it might be a good idea to also remove this reversions from the edit history as it could be dangerous for a person by this name in the area to be named in such a context even in the page history. Thanks for your consideration.VirtualDelight 17:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC) Request for assistanceHi Future, I have a couple of editors I would like you to quietly take a look at in regards to Flavius/Shup (its pretty clear he has been very actively evading his block). I have been working on Talk:Turkey this week, and Shup showed up through one of the Italian IP's through which we generally find him. He's pretty much behaving, but using a large number of IP's, and while sifting through these, I ran across the edit history of Ankara for September 25th where I noticed two suspect editors here [6]: 1) User:Kemalist Yurtsever who made a first edit on 9/15 and was then inactive until 9/25 and seems to be making the same edits Flav normally would. I'm nearly certain this is a sock, but ask for your opinion because I do not want to be overly aggressive or bitey. 2) User:Plenumchamber has been editing since 1/8 with few problems. I am less certain that this is a sock, and wholly admit this is really a case of suspicion by association. This editor, like Kemalist Yurtsever, made a handful of edits immedeatly prior (within the same half hour) to one of the Italian IP's. In both cases, this looks like Flavius signing out and continuing to edit anonymously. But as I noted, this editor really has not been a problem... but with the sheer number of sock IP's and user names, I thought it warranted a little more scrutiny. Thanks for your time. Hiberniantears 13:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi again Fut. Per., I think User:Patrick Sanders is definetly Shup, and I think he was editing today alternating between that user name, and then anonymously as User:151.37.178.16 to create some plausible deniability. He's making tons of edits to a large number of articles; some edits are good, some are bad, and some are simply an effort to instigate problems. With the large number of user names and IP's which he is employing, I think it makes it very hard for anyone but those few of us who are familiar with the issue from working constructively on any of the articles in question. Even still, I'm keeping my distance from a large number of articles which I would like to work on right now because I can't tell which users are actual individuals, and which ones may/may not be Shup. Because he drops positive and negative contributions using alternating accounts, I think it is clear that he is trying to systematically obfuscate the edit history of all these articles so that it is nearly impossible for anyone else to meaningfully contribute. I'm giving him the room to operate freely for the time being for two reasons: First, I can't tell who's a new editor, and who is Shup. Second, I don't want to get in an edit war with him, and he makes so many changes that it is nearly impossible to make a simple change without him jumping on it. I know this is extreme, but what are your thoughts on an IP range block for a short period of time (24 hours)? I think this will at least let us get an idea of a more stable version of some articles before he jumps back in after the block expires (even though it will probably block a large section of Italy). I am interested in knowing your thoughts on this. Thanks! Hiberniantears 17:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
VotespammingCapricornis (talk · contribs) and MatriX (talk · contribs)? ForeignerFromTheEast 22:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey Fut.Perf, I came a little bit late in the discussion about the deletion of the R. of Macedonia Wiki project (I voted there now and left several messages on the talk pages). I'm sorry that you proposed a deletion of the whole project after your quarrel with Capricornis and other users regarding the project's To do list. Don't you think the deletion of the whole project because of the supposedly POV-pushing To Do list is a little bit excessive? We all know the articles in that To do list (Ilinden uprising, Jane Sandanski etc) are target of a frequent edit warring (not all of them, there are some benign articles like Thermal Spas in Republic of Macedonia etc), but not only the Macedonian editors are engaged in such behavior (I shouldn't tell you this, you know that well) and I simply cannot believe that you proposed deletion of the whole project because of the problematic To do list. I believe this proposal of yours came after your warning on the Capricornis talk page where you asked him to stop his behavior on the disputed project, otherwise you'd have no other choice than to propose the whole project for deletion? MatriX 23:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC) Hi. The user has promised to stop editwarring on the topics he was blocked for. I'm inclined to grant his unblock request. Would you like to comment on it? Sandstein 04:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC) ItaliotisHi, thanks for your comments. What I would suggest you is to have a depper insight of the intermediate agreement and not a swallow reading as you have done. The agreement as a whole defines the frame under which Skopje are recognised as an entity by Greece. When I referred to the bridging of the agreement I didint referred to the misuse on behalf of some individuals but an oficial bridge on behalf of FYROMs oficials. In this case please have a look to the context of the treaty and even better read it. Italiotis 18:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC) I agree to stop here. Just for your reference http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/OfficialDocuments/Interim.html partucularly: Article 7 2. Upon entry into force of this Interim Accord, the Party of the Second Part shall cease to use in any way the symbol in all its forms displayed on its national flag prior to such entry into force. Nothing more to say. Please make your own conclusions. Have a nice day. Italiotis 19:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC) turkish acc. to euI understand your reverts on other articles, certainly his behaviour should be discouraged but you are discouraging me as well given that you haven't even taken a look at these two diffs: Flavius' edits and comparison of mine vs Flavius' version. I think you should revert with an edit summary either neutral or discouraging to Flavius. My sudden re-interest on the article comes from Flavius' request on my talk page; this and my first edit summary after that might be encouraging him if he had noted, I shouldn't have done them. You can revert until my first edit there, and I can redo my first edit. If Flavius doesn't read this message that might be better, but if he reads, he should be aware of that I am against (encouraging) that behavior, as much as Future Perfect at Sunshine is. DenizTC 22:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Greco Turkish War of 1919-1922Hi Future, with all your pro-Greek bias, you still seem to have good contributions in these Greco Turkish articles, would you be able to check this article now?..It is virtually impossible to come into terms with user AlexiusComnenus and Kekrops..--laertes d 09:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually no, ı wasn't referring to that, ı made a reference to our old dispute concerning the massacres in Peloponnese..Anyway, ı hope the problem will be solved without much further dispute..--laertes d 15:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC) TranslationCould you mind translating de:Adelheid and de:Alemanol? It would be a great help, Thanks. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 22:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm... You seem to be full of requests today! A dispute has exploded between me and users El Greco ond Italotis regarding an infobox for Macedon that El Greco that I removed as, IMO, desperately inaccurate beyond any hope of salvation, and stated my objections in the talk. Would you mind leaving a note there on your view (and please, don't be afraid to say I'm all wrong, if you view it this way. People tend to be to sensible to criticism these times). I was thinking of asking a view also from Yannismarou, but I dislike to be interpreted like doing something that could be read as a sort of mini-canvassing. Dab has came in to the discussion proposing a new version of the infobox, with which I mostly agree, but Italiotis has just awnsered with abuse and asking that me and dab be banned from the wiki. Ciao,--Aldux 19:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Greetings! Having been asked to lend an oar on getting this topic squared away (and possibly Bristol fashion <grin>), I've presented a (modest) proposal on the referenced page. I fully take your meaning about this topic being, erm, difficult. If you have any suggestions, please advise. I'm still very much the novice, and need all the help I can get. Cheers, Drieux 02:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC) WP ROMacedoniaAn editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:WikiProject_ROMacedonia. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. AWN2 03:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
good faithHum sorry about that. Good friend100 14:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
ItaliotisThanks for the notification FP. I will keep it in mind. I hope you keep it in mind as well. All the best.Italiotis 16:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Regarding Korean cuisineUser:Sennen goroshi is increasingly creating a negative atmosphere at this article and this diff [8] shows that he's clearly interested in only promoting the statement that all Koreans eat dog. Saying that "Im sorry but its a fact, in Korea people eat dogs" is a clear sterotype and an often used sterotype against Korea and Koreans. Its clear that not all Koreans eat dogs yet Sennon goroshi keeps changing the article so that it seems as if all Koreans eat dog. Its a clear case of bias on his part. Also, the dog meat section is the only section he is working on, instead of the article as a whole. Sennen's hypocrisy is also appalling. While telling others to be nonbiased and telling them to stop making racial remarks, Sennen uses racial comments himself. Here [9] and here[10], his attitude has surfaced with a fight with another editor. Its clear that through his comments, he's not here to improve Wikipedia, only to attack Korea-related articles. So why am I ranting about one particular user? I'm not taking this to a personal level simply because he's Japanese and I'm Korean. I'm angry solely based on his contributions to Wikipedia and it isn't fair for editors like him to make a negative atmosphere while editing articles. Good friend100 17:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
"The Plague"Please accept my deepest thanks for both your help and the ego-boo {grin}. My request for a break was correctly perceived by you and Moreschi; hopefully, the wielding of the clue-by-four will get the message across to the others. I think a month's respite will give me the time I need to get at least a skeleton with some flesh upon it, ready to move into the article. I have copied the current version of both the article and the talk page to my sandbox, and will use that as my proto lab. Thanks again! Most cordially, Drieux 23:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Hi! There are four questions for you and/or other Wikipedia editors at Scribbleman's user page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribbleman (talk • contribs) 06:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC) Another MfDHi, Could you take a look at this page? Wiki Raja 15:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC) More Shup SocksHi Fut. Per., I hope you don't mind me filling your talk page with more Shup stuff. Nothing urgent here, but as you have noted with Shup, there are probably quite a few sleeper accounts out there. I think I found another one this morning. User:BlueEyedCat showed up in Turkey this morning, and made some ordinary edits. I am taking a fairly laid back approach to watching some Turkey related articles, essentially only rolling back the IP ranges we have looked at, and just checking up on any editors that look unusual. User:BlueEyedCat fits my "unusual" parameters since he/she is a previously blocked (one time, for edit warring in Dec 2006) editor who was was fairly aggressive, and seemed to enjoy pushing buttons in ethnicly charged articles. The editor was then absent since late spring, and suddenly appeared again this week (though making only two edits). I was perusing the contributions, and came across this thread in Talk:Nasreddin#The_Removed_Entries, which caught my attention because Shup tends to cite a large amount of Italian sources, and this is an example of User:BlueEyedCat challenging the removal, and then the actual English translation of an Italian source. Not enough for someone in my position to roll anything back, but enough to be mindful of and keep an eye on... Hiberniantears 13:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Project subpageShould this page be deleted as well? ForeignerFromTheEast 16:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC) Greco Turkish warFuture, i know you are extremely bored with these endless greco turkish debates, and youre definitely right with slightly ignoring these discussions, but for this time only, could you care to read what is written in this source please? Reading just the first paragraph would make it obvious that the source is not a pro-turkish one -especially as it says that it was Turks who burned Smyrna- That is the quotation i took form the book: "For Greek claims were at best debatable, perhaps a bare majority, more likely a large minority in the Smyrna Vilayet, which lay in an overwhelmingly Turkish Anatolia."[11] The Mirage of Power By Cedric James Lowe, Michael L. Dockrill, Published 2002, Routledge, Great Britain ISBN 0415265975
Do you really think there is any chance of coming into an agreement or creating a remotely NPOV article with this user? This time he even changed the source to make it look like in line with his POV...--laertes d 00:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC) You seem to take special issues with my contributions to Great Fire of Smyrna. I would encourage you to pay as much attention to the unilateral, undiscussed, wholesale destruction of this article perpetrated by Kudret abi (amongst others). Is it too difficult to afford the same respect to this article as for the one on Armenian Genocide? Many Turks thinks that too reeks of bias.--Tedblack 10:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC) HelloHello Future, ti kaneis? As I earlier stated, I was new in Wikipedia, and didn't understand the licenses. First I uploaded under PD-RoM, but I don't know why it was deleted. Then I uploaded it in common under self-made, because I took them by myself (scanned or photographed it), but afterwards I found out that Self-made, doesn't mean that I took them with my camera, but that I created them. And all this time while I was learning the process, the user ForeignerFromTheEast was constantly erasing the licenses, and making problems. Then I contacted the admin Riana, who helped me by proposing to take an official document of the library and send it to them, I will do that hopefully this or next week, and there will be no problem. The thing is that the photographs that are taken during WW2 and after in socialist countries are in the public domain and are not under copyright. It is the same with the photos with the folk dance, and i will prove it. Thanks very much Future. Revizionist 14:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
My, aren't you the sensitive oneGoing to the extent of not only apologizing on others' behalf, but deleting their comments without so much as an attempt to address your concerns to them? You might want to take a long look at your own behavior before admonishing others for lack of civility. Porfyrios 14:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Controversial banhammer commentUm, ok, I'll be more polite around users who look like they're about to get banned. — Rickyrab | Talk 23:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC) I live in a region where Macedonia is a matter of dispute from long time ago - Bulgarians says it is Bulgarian, Greeks says it's theirs, Yugoslavian proclaims the same. It is contested zone, but Macedonia is already an independent country and on my point of view it is not correct to be written that it's Greeks or anyones. In the last years here have been enough arguing with regards to this and for everyones best let them be just independent Macedonians as their present status is such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obstacle (talk • contribs) 07:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC) :)Thanks for your explanation and the advices. Yes indeed I am veeeery newbie :) and still reading what and where should be done or not and yes unfortunately I have jumped into this war. It is quite a morbid issue in the region lately and still remains to be the same. Would you please refer me a short manual for working here. Thank you in advance and have a nice day! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obstacle (talk • contribs) 07:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC) ThanksThanks for helping me in the Istanbul article. I'm not on enough to both add to the Wiki and check on who is changing what with regards to vandalism and other nonsense. I'm just trying to make the article as best as it can possibly be. Monsieurdl 12:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC) FYI...User:Warsword is the same person as User:Hurundi V. Bakshi. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 14:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC) ImageI saw that you tagged Image:Kinnick Stadium rendering.jpg for deletion. I thought about your reasoning, and decided that I will not dispute the fair use of the image. You're 100% right that I could go right now and take a picture from the south end zone. I will use this as a learning experience when dealing with images from now on. -- LoyalHawk 00:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC) GreetingsHow's it going? Frightner 02:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC) I'd appreciate your input on an userbox issueHi Future Perfect at Sunrise, I'd like to ask for your input on a userbox issue I've encountered, regarding the speedy deletion of several userfied userboxes that expressed negative stance toward a thing or concept (e.g. hate/despise/dislike/loathe/choosing one over something else). I've held a discussion with the deleting admin in question, and we have hit a dead point in the discussion. As I know I'm biased in this issue I'd appreciate it if you could spare a neutral look at the dispute. (Note: I've randomly pulled your name - along with 3 others - out of my hat. If I bothered you I deeply apologize - feel free to ignore & delete this comment in that case) Best wishes! CharonX/talk 00:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC) Please see my talk page section at Talk:Arthur Rubin#Category (permlink) as to the question of whether the above-named user is continuing his subtle vandalism in regard Category:German loanwords (and others) through IP addresses including 172.191.100.66 and 172.192.43.160. Knepflerle suggested I contact you, as you've previously blocked the named user. See also my requesting a review of the block of the second IP at ANI (permlink). — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 22:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC) Range blocksIn the resolution to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (4th), the admin Samir suggested that I consult with a range-block savvy admin (such as yourself) regarding the feasibility of administering a range block on the abusing account 75.34.18.170. The rationale behind this inquiry is the pattern of abuse as evinced in Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (3rd) (for example). If you could look into this, I'd be most grateful. Thanks. Myasuda 03:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC) JingibyI would like to discuss something with you, seriously. Jingiby is constantly reverting edits, from whomever, to suit his POV on the subject and I know you are aware of this. You may hate Macedonians, or just me for that matter, but I'm asking you on a serious level to discuss this with him, now, you've put up with me for a while now so the least you could do is give him a little nudge in the elbow for me. Cheers. Frightner 09:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
ItaliotisHi FP. I just wanted to inform you that i had to do 2 revert changes to alexander the great and philip of macedon as they were a bit abused. I thought to let you know as both subjects are part of the Macedon project that we are involved. Trust you are well. All the best.Italiotis 12:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC) FrightnerI tend to block with email disabled for obvious trolls, but no problem - reblocked with emailing enabled. Neil ム 15:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC) ROMacedonia WP again!Hi FP -- ahh, I actually didn't know I was in breach of the deletion order -- I guess I should read the fine print! I thought the result was that it could be recreated under new management/guidelines. Last time I created the WP and then just let it run itself -- this time I'll try and steer it down a happy path. Is there any way to let the admins know that this is a shiny new WP, which hopefully won't go the same route as the old one? Anyway, welcome aboard and thanks for your support. I guess we'll see how it goes! Cheers, AWN AWN2 15:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
BG/ROM/GRE collaborationAs I see the WikiProject RoM is re-opening I have a somewhat interesting question. To avoid any more disputes as the last one and the sort of POV pushing co-operation that formed the last time, what would you say about the creation of a collaboration project Bulgaria/Republic of Macedonia/Greece. I read the rules about WikiProjects and I'm still not entirely convinced if this is the right form for such a thing: discussing potentially hot debated articles and avoiding endless edit- and talkpage-wars in the article proper. All controversial topics (people with contested ethnicity, disputes between countries and so on) should be discussed on this Project before editing the article itself. It is more than possible to work this out as I had already worked with Frighner (before something in him snapped) and I see a great deal of sense in User:Revizionist's positions and edits. I have the feeling it just might work - it will take tons of debates, but they won't be directly reflected on the article and its talkpage. My proposal is either for a BG-RoM collaboration or, as some Greek contributors would definitely interested in this, a BG-RoM-GRE. I just want to hear from you what you think about the idea (and for some help if you like it ;) ). You have been involved in a lot of Balkan duels recently so I think you're the perfect man to judge this proposal. If it sound ridiculous just ignore it ;) (just kidding - any response would be welcome).--Laveol T 17:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Could you do something about Jajce page? There is a user Visca_el_barca which repetedly deletes data from that page? Ceha 07:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC). Thanks :) Ceha 07:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC). www.gothassos.comGia sas Giati nomizete oti einai SPAM to na steilw to site stis selides gia island thasos thn stigmi poy hparxoyn alloi syndesmoi xamiliterhs piotitas? Doyleyw to www.gothassos.com san hobby kai einai prwto sto Google gia thassos h thasos. Sas paracalo afiste to Jiannis potos - thassos Greece
thanks for the pointerAaah...(sound of penny dropping)....thanks for the tip on auto(un)blocking.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC) National Liberation War of MacedoniaMy god!, this is some mess you've got here. It's true that the Serbs were pretty oppressive in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, but I don't think the Macedonians wanted to turn Bulgarian because of this. The Communist Party of Yugoslavia decided to support a policy of state independence (like SR Macedonia), but some local elements wanted to join the Bulgarian Communists. In essence the resistance in that very troubled region (it was the cause of the Second Balkan War) was deeply divided on ethnic lines between the Axis (Bulgarians) and the allegedly "Serb-controlled" Yugoslav Partisans (the latter was not very much so). I'm afraid one will be hard pressed to find any unbiased, reliable sources concerning the conflict. The main problem here is that this is an obscure part of an obscure part of history. I will do my best. DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC) On several matters..First of all, hello Future, gia sas? I was occupied the past several days, and didn't enter english wikipedia so often. I wanted to inform you on several matters: 1) I read Laveol's proposal about creating a common wiki-project about Macedonia (Bulgarian, Greek and ethnic Macedonian contributions). And I am willing to participate in that project. 2) I contacted the national library officials and they told me to come after the fest (11 October is a state celebration in Republic of Macedonia), so next week the approval from the library will be sent to wikicommons officials. 3) Do you remember the photos I uploaded of facts about former recognition? You helped me obtain the necessary license for them, and even put the license on one of them yourself [12](I am very grateful for I was new on wiki). Well today I noticed on my user talk that the photos you helped on are proposed for deleting by Mr. Neutron = ForeignerFromTheEast. You can see it on the image history[13]. Please Future give him some kind of warning - you see that injustice is being conducted by this fellow ForeignerFromTheEast. Best regards. --Revizionist 00:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I think that the balance in the articles about Macedonia is not the best. We are going to make them better! Every body have made something wrong sometimes. Regards! Jingby 18:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC) Inappropriate userboxesI'm a bit confused about what content in a userbox is allowed, and what is considered inappropriate, so I thought you could help. I can't see the difference between an offensive and forbidden userbox and a userbox that expresses your views over something - disregarding the fact that it hurts other people - but is still permitted. To be more specific, I was shocked by two userboxes found here and here (the ones with the fyromian dialect of Bulgarian) - I just couldn't be more offended! My question is: is it allowed, and if not, why is it still there? The content of these userpages has been discussed a year ago, but I still can't see the changes. Please do something about it, or direct me to a guideline that encourages users to use such userboxes. Thank you. iNkubusse? 05:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
New to WikipediaHello, I have visited Wikipedia a number of times in the past however this is the first time I have joined and have not made any edits in the past as this is my only account, i am unfamiliar with "79.125.178.167". I am interested in ancient history and ancient Macedon is particular, however I was disappointed by the inaccuracies in several pages and that is why I edited them.Ireland101 Will you please look at Jim Karygiannis, the user Xstatik is adding libels (mostly logged out) which are not in the source.22:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC) User Myrmidon7-Pontic Greek GenocideHi future, this new user has been doing some extreme POV edits in some articles, could you just check the Pontic Greek Genocide article..And as usual, Alexiuscomnenus showed up and reverted the article back to Myrmidon7..[14] The only "sources" for his edits are "www.armeniandiaspora.com/forum" "www.hellenicgenocide.org", "www.greece.org/genocide", "www.byzantinos.com"..Plus he added his unsourced, private opinions into the article..
OlympiacosHi! Please have a look at the recent history of Olympiacos article and do something with User:87.203.220.177. What he does is changing "the most popular" to "one of the most". On the contrary in Panathinaikos article he does exactly the opposite in another occasion. Thanks! - Sthenel 15:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that this kind of editors want to discuss anything? He is a typical fan-editor. If you know what I mean. - Sthenel 12:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm always trying to start a discussion with editors like him, but 90% they don't talk about anything because it's not their point. When something is strongly-sourced, saying something else may not be wrong but it's not "more neutral". In this way Olympiacos is not the team with the most titles in football, but one of the teams with the most titles. - Sthenel 12:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC) A minor correction for the Greece articleByzantine Era When the Roman Empire finally split in two, during the late third century, the Eastern Roman Empire centered around Constantinople (known previously as Byzantium, today Istanbul, Turkey), remained Hellenistic in nature, and came to be known as the "Empire of the Greeks" or "Greece" to its western European contemporaries. It should be "the late fourth century", as the empire was divided between the two sons of Theodosius I in 395 AD. Cheers :) 151.37.184.150 21:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Strange EditsAlthough I have only been editing Wikipedia pages for a day I have already seen a lot of things that I did not expect. Such as extremely fast revisions of my edits. One user ForeignerFromTheEast deleted my edits on the Philippic's of Demosthenes without explanation. He also deleted my edits on other pages without explanation. When I went to see his other contributions it was almost identical to the page of Laveol, they also seen to be promoting one view point. Unlike ether of them, I always provide expiations and have even attempted to contact them threw their talk pages to explain my edits. Almost right after ForeignerFromTheEast's edits I got a message from Laveol claiming I have been waging "edit-wars" I do not understand this statement and consider it an attack as he has been the one deleting my edits without explanation. He also accused me of being connected to some banned users, I have no clue what he is talking about and would appreciate any assistance you could provide.Ireland101
Fut, can you please comment on the article on its talk page. I wanted to have the here instead of the current version of the page. My reasons for the addition of extra text is to make the article more of a wikipedia article (encyclopedic with the addition of the paragraph). I added the fact tags because the claims are missing an RS backing them up. I understand that the citation needed tags are over done (per Haemo) and thus I agreed with a single tag on the top of the paragraph. However, I am still looking for an opinion on the inclusion/exclusion of the paragraph. I have asked for a RFC but no one seem interested. Since your one of the complainer of my account I hope you can free up some time and have a look. Watchdogb 13:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC) Change article nameI seem to remember that we had agreed on a name for the current article Greek Briton. I think it was British Greeks or something. Can we get back to someting more palatable? Politis 17:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
About Arvanites article and trollingΚαλησπέρα. Σε βλεπω τοσες μερες να προσπαθεις να εξηγησεις σε διαφορους τυχαρπαστους χρηστες οτι η σελιδα των αρβανιτων δεν χριζει περαιτερω αλλαγων, ποσο μαλλον οταν αυτοι οι χρηστες μπαινουν με μοναδικο σκοπο το τρολλινγκ (βλ. Dodona και PIRRO BURRI). Μιας και εισαι διαχειριστης, γιατι δεν βαζεις semiprotected την σελιδα, ωστε τουλαχιστον να σταματησει αυτο το φαινομενο; --KaragouniS 21:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Reforming username blocksI agree with your sentiments about username blocks on AN/I. Would you like to help by joining the discussion at WT:U on reforming the policy and the way it is applied? rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 22:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC) ThanksAppreciate the help with Cleander. Ronnotel 17:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Sorry.I wasn't trying to imply that Vartan was wrong or anything, but it's been pretty messy in there for the last few days, and he's starting to sound awfully paranoid. Of course, as an outside observer, I don't know the whole story. HalfShadow 21:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
SockCan you actually block the socks please? His filling 3RR reports on me [15] and is using user:Makalp as a meatpuppet. VartanM 18:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear Makalp, you showing up at 3RR board out of nowhere to accuse me of something which I didn't do is very suspicious no? how about reverting articles in his favor? how about your conversation about emailing each other? I only gave you a fair warning if you proxy for him, you are most likely to get yourself in trouble. And that in my opinion is not worth it. VartanM 20:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC) Flags and socksThere seems to be an organized push to remove Yugoslavia from the templates of people born in SFR Macedonia prior to 1991. I'd like to hear your opinion on this section of the guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags)#Use of flags for non-sovereign states and nations. It says that the flags should generally be those of the sovereign state, and not of the subnational entity. ForeignerFromTheEast 03:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Sstakis is backHe's under the IP: Special:Contributions/122.100.203.18 I've reverted most of his edits. El Greco(talk) 15:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
TedblackFuture Perfect, please be careful when you add a warning on Tedblack's page. He seems to be 'forwarding' similar warnings to other editors. I don't want to be warned every now or then for no valid reason. Also please read the section "suggestion" on the smyrna fire page, if you haven't done so. DenizTC 18:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Help Find a Cure for The PlagueWell, maybe not a cure, but glad to be on board to help in any way I can. Once I get familiar with all these new buttons, I'll be coming to you for all kinds of help. Thanks for all the support (and very timely comments)... and for helping me get here, from where I was! Hiberniantears 17:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Greco Turkish war, againHi future, do you know any particular cure against Alexiuscomnenus` centuries old habit of reverting anything that he dislikes, often without any explanations, even if the material added was properly sourced from neutral academical works? Check this: [[16]] What is the problem with citing Michael Llewellyn Smith`s book of Ionian vision : Greece in Asia Minor, 1919-1922, if there is one single source which claims that this book is written by pro-Turkish perspective, i would not use that book as a reference..Regards..--laertes d 17:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Problem with Articles?Dear Future Sun, you left a message that said, "we do not normally encourage editors writing about themselves, especially not in a way that could be construed as advertising their own achievements." To which articles are you referring? The articles I have authored (which are few) are ones for which I am either THE expert source or at least AN expert source. In most cases, I was asked to write these articles by others for the benefit of others. Are you saying that one can not write articles if they happen to have association with the subject, or are the world expert on the topic? I know that I would prefer to read an article about the "artificial heart" that was started (stubbed) by Dr. DeBakey or Dr. Jarvik, than something written by an unknown second-year medical student. If Dr. Jarvik wrote a piece about the artificial heart he personally developed, that would certainly tout one of his accomplishments, but it would be of interest to the wider community of Wikipedia users and people should realize that the article is not only useful but better for having been written by THE expert on that particular subject.Firewall 17:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Arzap Drogue StonesHow about we tack on the drogue stone article to the Durupinar article and have a redirect from "Arzap Drogue Stones" and "Drogue Stones" to "Durupinar"? You can argue that drogue stones are not notable, but the Durupinar site is notable. TuckerResearch 18:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
This edit[17] was made to a page that is currently protected due to edit warring. If you are going to be editing the page in issues directly related to the edit war it should not remain protected. With that in mind I am un-protecting the page. I assume you did not notice the page was protected, please be careful about using admin tools in content disputes. 1 != 2 15:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
"Chinese shadows"I am the editor who was responsible for that.
This is simply beyond me. Just this minute, I was going to write to 1!=2's talkpage, literally, the following: "I thought, and still think, that nobody in their right mind could seriously entertain the notion that the casual use of this expression (of somebody "disappearing like Chinese shadows") could be in any way relevant to an article about actual, real Chinese people." I still think the same. Either you are still just trolling, or your mind works in a way radically different from that of the rest of the world. Either way, I don't think it would be wise to let you edit further, and I can't see why anybody should be expected to engage you further in discussion, so yes, lying low is indeed highly recommended. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC) (Moved to Wikipedia:ANI. ForeignerFromTheEast 02:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC))
Human rights of Kurdish people in TurkeyHi Fut. Can you please take a look at the state of this article. The handywork of Kekrops, Niko, Yannis and Plouto has made a genocide of Kurds the theme of this article, including two ugly blockquote from two non descript authors. Cheers. --A.Garnet 10:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Toše Proeski page protectedMay I just ask one kind favour, since you are physically able to edit the page; on the infobox, would you be so kind as to restore the country name Yugoslavia where it says he was born in Prilep. I know that it was the source of one of the edit wars but really, that only came up after he died. All of a sudden, people are revising things and from out of nowhere, new individuals assert their preferences contrary to unchallenged practice. User:Zorla is not producing anything remotely constructive when he/she removes it, it is factual information; it is down to the reader to determine whether he or she finds it relevant, and if they don't, well it still didn't hurt to mention it. Obviously, this does not involve this subject in particular more than it affects thousands of articles exising on English Wikipedia. The user Wickedpedian favours this usage, as does Foreigner from the East who even messaged me with Wikipedia's guidelines in including sovereign states. Neither of them are my sockpuppet, I assure you. Zorla stands alone in altering longstanding principles which are widely accepted. It would be appreciated if you helped here. Evlekis 08:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to make too big a thing about this, but after returning from block, Cleander is apparently canvasing support to carry on his fight over Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. It's Greek to me but I interpret these: [19], [20], [21], [22], etc, as possibly an attempt to rally the troops. Can you have a look and let me know if I'm imaging things? Thanks. Ronnotel 17:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Image questionHi Fut. I stumbled upon Eversman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and gave him a stern warning after I deleted a number of his copyrighted images falsely uploaded under GFDL. I'm not sure what to do with Image:Sanader Ivo.jpg: it is obviously' not a photo he took either, but I can't track the original. Should it be deleted as well, under "it quacks" principle? Duja► 10:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Phaistos discAre you being too severe with the newbie? She claims her world-shaking translation is published by the Georgian National Academy of Sciences, which I presume has heard of peer review. Am I missing something? We have Phaistos Disc decipherment claims precisely so that all the published "decipherments" can go in one basket; and it would be hard for this "neo-Colchian" to be worse than Fauconau, on whose crank theory we have a whole article. (Not, I admit, from a Sympathetic Point of View.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Posible arbitration by Ethnic MacedoniansI think and thank you [23] !!! Jingby 12:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC) HelloThank you for the welcome. I couldn't stay away for long. Wikipedia is an interactive form of study, I notice that it helps one organize ideas. Lisa the Sociopath 19:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC) Turkish NavyI corrected numerous errors in the article, why did you revert? 151.37.177.215 07:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC) FoçaWhy don't you google it and see? ;) It's the natural habitat of the Mediterranean Monk Seal and the namesake of "seal" in many Mediterranean languages. 151.37.177.215 07:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The city of Phokaia was named after the region of Phocis, where its colonists came from. Phocis, in turn, may have a link to a mythical eponymic founder, Phocus (there were several personalities of that name; I'm trying to disentangle them). One legendary "Phocus" apparently was linked to a story involving a seal, but I haven't found out where and when that story is attested. It may all be a later folk etymology. If the words were originally related, we would have to assume that people in Phocis named their region after an animal that lived some hundreds of miles away from them, centuries before they were themselves going to settle there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Re: Luther's handwriting - thanksHi, FP. Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for the help with the Luther's handwriting business. Sorry I didn't get by sooner; guess I'm the world's worst (best?) procrastinator. Anyway, glad the matter's resolved. And now, thanks to your vigilance, Wikipedia is that much more reliable! Keep up the good work! All the best. Delta x 09:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC) DoriansOoops! I made a mistake and I moved it to Dorianσ. Please fix it! Thank you! - Sthenel 19:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Invalid linkSorry to bother you, I was wondering if you could tell me what's wrong with this link. ForeignerFromTheEast says it doesn't open, but I asked a few other guys to open it and it's pretty fine. Can you please take a look and let me know? Thanks. iNkubusse? 20:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank youFuture Perfect - Thanks for the quick response to my message on the Admin notice board! I got in and removed that javascript out of my list! Thanks again ! KoshVorlon ".. We are ALL Kosh..." 23:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Comment on 0RR and new rules on WP:ANThanks for the links to your "new rules" on two articles. I think your definition of "uncooperative editing" is very nice and will try to remember that for future use. Regarding 0RR itself, there is sometimes confusion about its purpose. In my mind, the point of 0RR is to stop an edit war dead in its tracks without protecting the page. Once the edit war is stopped for a couple days, it would be unreasonable to continue 0RR, so switching to something like 1RR or "new rules" is definitely appropriate. Personally, I see little reason to protect pages when the dispute consists entirely of experienced users who should know better than to continue reverting. I think it makes more sense just to warn them to stop. If they don't have the self-control to stop the edit war without protection, I don't see why they will have the self-control to stick to 1RR later. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC) Daddy IIHi! How are you? I have not forgotten our discussion here (and this is not a threat!). I will soon go through the book and the article and you will have news from me. Ta leme!--Yannismarou 13:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC) HelpI imagine you know how to make the photo in this article(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_%281877%E2%80%931878%29) not to overlapp some sentences (and make reading difficult).Can you adress the problem;Thanks in advance I kindly ask for your moderation. The argument is reaching a dead end. Thanks. ForeignerFromTheEast 17:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC) What is going on?I was informed by Kutlumus about a paragraph referring to the Greek and Armenian genocides being removed from the Mustafa Kemal article. You have decided to delete the message Kutlumus left on my message board instead of first explaining to me what is going on. I admit that I do not know the full details of what is happening on the Mustafa Kemal article, but I do not appreciate anyone deleting my messages without at least providing an explanation. If you decide not to explain to me what is going on, then I recommend you do not make a habit of violating my message board even if you are an administrator. If there is a message that you feel slanders you needlessly, then ask me to remove it. Otherwise, stay out of my affairs. Do I make myself clear? Deucalionite 17:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Any ideas on the ethnic disputes resolution proposal? --Laveol T 19:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC) re: External linksHi Fut Perf. First of all thanks alot for your help with NisarKand. This website has some very informative articles that you won't find anywhere. That's why I post links to these articles. The website might have a few articles that seem hateful but most of the articles are just copied from other news sources. The website's intro might sound a little racist, but in since its just a collection of articles from various sources I really don't think it is hateful at all. As long as the individual article that is being linked is not about a group of people, I think its ok don't you think? -- Behnam 21:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
HxseekI'd like an explanation of why you are threatening me with a block for pointing out Hxseeks persistant problems. Thanks! --Ronz 22:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Incidentally, I only just recalled what the background was to that "sockpuppetry" allegations you saw fit to repeat on ANI today ([25]). Remember, your spurious sockpuppetry report (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Hxseek) through which you managed to get your opponent blocked, and how it was then pointed out multiple times to you why that report was bogus (User_talk:Ronz/Archive_8#Hxseek, User_talk:MastCell/Archive_10#An old block). That you now bring up that old canard again in a devious, malicious attempt at discrediting Hxseek, would in itself be enough grounds for blocking. My warning stands. Stay away from the guy. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd hoped you would refactor your comments. Since you have not, I've asked in ANI for you to take this personal dispute between the two of us to a proper forum. --Ronz 16:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
All except the top left one are on wikipedia. However the top left one - I can't remember were it was from and in all likelihood its made by Angus McBride so it should be removed I suppose. Tourskin 18:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC) User:AbsarAbsar has gone around removing everything Cyprus related from articles that relate to TRNC. See: Special:Contributions/Absar I have notified the user on their talk page and also revert their edits. El Greco(talk) 16:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC) Moldova-related sockuser:Moldorubo: Judging by his contribs and knowledge of who Mauco is, this one day old account is likely yet another sockpuppet of Bonny or a wannabe. --Illythr 19:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
One more. Same stuff. --Illythr 11:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC) dudeyou have to be kidding me. i came on wikipedia on 10/31 and this guy was telling this new user that i was an italo-extremist and all sorts of other personal comments. that is what insigated this new stupid fighting. i'm going to post that on the ANI board, along with a highly provacative e-mail rarelibra just sent me. singling me out like that after i was blindsided like this is just downright wrong. Icsunonove 07:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Sstakis????I just recently reverted an edit to {{Aegean Sea}} which removed the TUR template from it. User: Special:Contributions/202.86.142.247 El Greco(talk) 16:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
My apologiesI have emailed you, as I feel it most prudent not to continue this negative trend of posts. Rarelibra 22:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
3meandErYou commented on WP:AN last week concerning a proposed 0RR/1RR regime on the article Northern Cyprus, which is being disrupted by a SPA, User:3meandEr. I've posted a request for a block or community ban on this user at WP:AN/I#User:3meandEr and Northern Cyprus - your comments would be appreciated. -- ChrisO 11:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC) Lan Yunan dölüGeberemedin mi daha? :) Possible edit warringI would like to inform you as an admin, that User:Kékrōps is repeatedly removing valid tags from Germanos Karavangelis article without explanation. Dzole 19:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC) thanks for your quick intervention, however I see that you left the NPOV tag only. the problem is not only my personal disagrement with the article but also there are some general issues, for example there is only one source, and that is Karavangelis' own authobiography (represents the perspective of the author only). no third party sources have been provided. should i bring back those tags? Dzole 19:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Deletion ClosureOh, that's no problem, I was just trying to be bold. I just thought that the article was going to be a snow close anyway, so I thought it should have been closed. Thanks for explaining your reasoning for me. I'll just participate in the discussion for now instead of closing it! Thanks and happy editing! Icestorm815 21:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC) Good callThanks. - Francis Tyers · 19:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC) Skopje edit warringIs it worth putting up a renewed block warning? The warring is back. -Bbik★ 21:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Byz empireHullo, as I know you've helped out in similar cases before, I wonder if you could keep an eye on Byzantine Empire. A new user, User:AdrianCo, seems bent on eliminating any "Latin influence" from the Infobox, and has been consistently inserting unsourced or improperly sourced text on the faith of the "majority of the people" in the later empire; now in addition removing sourced material on the "Catholic phase" of the emperors. I'm not sure how best to respond, but it does seem to be devolving into an edit war. --Javits2000 22:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Transnistria again, he-heHi! Here are user's contribs. The editing style is rather familiar. Could you take a look at it? Alæxis¿question? 19:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Right of a defenseYou swoftly deleted my appeal to you on this page,Perhaps, I understand to hide it from others here. Please I am not trying to cause you upset. You explanation carries no basis, I am an expert on International Law and have something to offer Wiki. Just because we differ in opinion is no justification to silence me or ban me. I never breached the 3RR rule. You banned me without trial or reason. Look at my edits on Wiki, Much of the UN and OSCE, and Kosovo pagee are mine. I wrote very little on Transnistria, but I did the military section and it is still there. The reason I was disliked was because I inserted economic items that made Transnistria look like the place it is - Normal. I explained to you that many people, a great many people use this IP number. I never met Mark Street in my life. Even if I did, he hasn;t edited from this IP number, if at all , in nearly a year, he stated his account was closed and it has been. Also, Mark Street never made ONE edit on the Transnistria page. He was never allowed a single edit and spent most of his time appealing with the other edits to calm down and seek consensus. Mark is hardly a monster for that, even though the Romanians hated him because he was a voice of calm reason and knew more about Transnistria than they did. You gave me a ban of eight months and then extended it. Why? Everythig you accused me of was untrue, if there was a grain of truth, I would have just assumed a new IP number and started afresh, I didn't. Please allow me to return. If I do something wrong you can ban me. Everyone desrves a chance Buffadren
I never did this for money.I believe in what I write and edit. I believe the facts should be presented about all countries on wiki. Moreover, we, you and I should assume good faith. Please do say you disbelieve me unless you have some evidence to back that position. There can be none as I am being truthful with you. Buffadren This went too farForeignerFromTheEast continues agenda pushing in the living person's biography: Kiro Gligorov particulary regarding the claims about Gligorov's alleged self-declared "Bulgarian ethnicity". Certain poorly scanned documents are provided in the external links section as "sources" (Gligorov allegedly signed them during the Bulgarian control of Macedonia in the WWII). They documents are hosted at the official site of the nationalist poltical party in Bulgaria VMRO-BND (its Plovdiv office). The douments: [27], [28], [29]. Copy/paste from the homepage (in Bulgarian): © 2006 ВМРО-БНД - гр.Пловдив Всички права запазени. (transl. copyright VMRO-BND, city of Plovdiv, all rights reserved). Whenever i try to clarify the origin of those "sources" in the main text, Foreigner reverts me without providing any valid reason. He claims that the party itself "doesnt say such thing" about Gligorov although those documents are hosted on their server. Asked at the talk page about where such claims originate from then, if not from the party, he avoids answering and providing sources, but he insists on keeping the statement. Now he even warns me about the 3RR on my talk page.--Dzole 19:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC) User: Jingiby returned the questionable Bulgarian links that you removed yesterday from Kiro Gligorov and he or she added newspaper articles which are completely irrelevant to the subject of Kiro Gligorov [30][31]. They cover former Macedonia's PM Ljubcho Georgievski recent obtaining of a Bulgarian citizenship, Jingiby uses this fact in an attempt to justify the Bulgarian claims for Gligorov in a sence "Georgievski, Macedonia's ex-PM took Bulgarian citizenship, so why couldnt Gligorov too?". He absuses the fact that many third party wikipedia readers or admins do not understand macedonian and bulgarian to smuggle-in irrelevant sources that they can not verify. He also added another questionable scanned document too [32]. Kiro Gligorov is not the only article where they use such stuff, others include: Lazar Kolishevski, Blaže Koneski and many others. They also insist on keeping such claims in ASNOM without providing citation (even without those scans). This is going nowhere, thats why I had to report them, as a group at the incident page, its imposible to work like this. Btw now Jingiby messes with Mala Prespa and Golo Brdo again. --Dzole 15:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC) More info: Im not sure if you understand Bulgarian or Macedonian: The second newspaper, "Struma" (Bulgarian)[33] reports about Georgievski's Bulgarian citizenship and, btw claims that also Gligorov declared Bulgarian ethnicity but during WWII. The first newspaper (Macedonian)[34] reports about what Struma said without any confirmation on the veracity of these claims. --Dzole 15:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC) detailed info about this issue was added to: Talk:Kiro Gligorov#Jingiby Bad-ish closeConcerns noted, WP:SNOW read in full. Thanks for the advice. I thought that everyone except the nom had voted keep, and that the nom had all but withdrawn it because of the added sourcing. I had missed your "conditional delete" above. I apologize for that.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 01:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC) Pirelli DRVAn editor has asked for a deletion review of Pirelli Internetional Award. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Firewall 05:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC) more disputesHi, The disputes never seem to end. Shortly after you blocked users Jingiby and ForeignerFromTheEast a user called Li4kata began to start new edit wars. He began to delete links to ethnic Macedonian revolutionaries in the following articles: Boris Sarafov and Yane Sandanski. I explained the dispute with Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia to him yet he continues to remove the links. He is now claiming that I will be banned. I don't want to get into an edit war and I think it would be a good idea to let him know to stop deleting the links as I have tried and the vandalism continues. Ireland101 21:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC) CheersThanks for letting me know about the arbitration case. I must say you are a fair administrator, so thank you. Am i allowed to put my point across ? Hxseek 10:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC) In the Arbcom case, which is now open, is it just about the editing war situation etc. Ie do we put forward cases as to the content of the articles, ir references, proofsHxseek 05:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Arbcom caseThank you for your message. Should I know present an overview on the case at WP:RFAR#Macedonia as I already did in the Incident Page? --Dzole 17:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been reverting an edit from an unregistered user whose IP seems to change all the time. It starts with 70.52.178 and the last part changes(so far it's been 29, 203, 180 and 43). He keeps adding a link in the references section that really doesn't belong there. First of all, the link is never referenced in the article and second, it seems to be nothing more than a link to a site with some wallpapers, one of which is a wallpaper (or "panorama" as the site calls it) of Tose. You've reverted the addition of this link from the user yourself once. I'm just wondering if there's anything that can be done because he can't really be blocked (because of the changing IP) and I don't want to get in trouble for revert warring even though it's basically vandalism. Thanks. SWik78 01:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC) doing a checkuser on new sockpuppets of NisarKandHi FutPerf. Thanks for your help again. Unfortunately, there are many many more sockpuppets of his. Can you please give me some instructions on how to use checkuser? I tried using it many times but I've been having trouble with it. For example, let's say I want to do a checkuser on User:Stronghold22? That one is old and he no longer uses it. This new one however, appeared right after you banned Khan182, User:Sodaba. He is familiar with my past blocks and he is familiar with FlickR, just NisarKand. And he has the same type of edits, like on the article Malalai Joya, which NisarKand was also editing. -- Behnam 01:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
You tube links..I've never said in respect of the recent batch of link removal that any of them were actually copyvio, My approahc has been to label as : Removed by You Tube ( usally for ToS vio), Removed by uploader (which DOES NOT imply copyvio, often it's quite the reverse) (C) Status unclear. - Which means that the (S) status could noy be definitivly confirmed. In some cases clips got left because I couldn't assume it wasn't genuine footage from the uploader. Sfan00 IMG 13:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC) Li4kata doesn't seem to understand some things here. Check their latest edits on Boris Sarafov, Gotse Delchev, Yane Sandanski, Dame Gruev and Ilyo Voyvoda. Please do something, there's nothing I can do. iNkubusse? 21:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC) Arbërishte or Arbëresh?What is the correct name of the language spoken by the Arbëreshë in Italy? Do they speak Arbërisht like the Arvanites? If yes, then there must be two articles, one on Arbërishte (Italy) and another on Arbërishte (Greece). Andreas (T) 01:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Deleting an article without any reasonA while ago you deleted a page called Martinus Thomsen, and i wonder what you're reason for deleting it would be? If you deleted it just becouse somebody else earlier did, you should have asked what their reason was. As far as I remember, nothing was wrong with it, and i even added a picture of him on the page, but a week later it had been deleted and i couldn't find any explanation to it on the page where people deside to delete .... pages. --Nabo0o 16:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It just seems to me it wasn't becouse its lack of credability that the article was deleted, but rather becouse a majority of the voters who voted for deletion din't want anything related to spirutal information to reach out to people who could have read this article, it was newer any NPOW issue with it, just people who didn't like the tone of the article. And as a bit of information to you, this book has nothing at all to do with either Cristianity or relligion. The books goal is to guide you to a higher spiritual level and not to make you belive in dogmas that it has created. I really think it would be sad to let an promising article down just becouse you got something against the tings its trying to explain about, and not the explanation it self. --Nabo0o 23:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Arb ComIt seems the statement by Chris O in the Macedonian arbcom section has randomly dissapeared. There was only one edit after his statement was placed and when if you look at the changes of that edit, Chris O's statement is still in that preview page. I think there's a glitch in the saved page. Do you have any idea how to fix it? Thanks. Alex 202.10.89.28 10:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Re: Please stop thatIf you consider it "spamming other users' talk pages with those youtube links and political rants", ok. But I can't understand why things forbidden by greek government are so frightening for greeks.--strich3D 22:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC) An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 00:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Hi Fut.Perf. I hope you're doing good. Are you aware the user: Tajik got banned several months ago on an accusation that he was using a sockpuppet user: Tajik-Professor? I know both of them personally and Tajik has told me he knows you personally. I know they are not the same user. There is lots of evidence to prove this, but most of the admins keep ignoring me and also keep ignored Tajik. Can you please help? user: Tajik was one of the finest editor's here on Wiki and without him all Iranology and Afghanistan articles have stopped improving and haven't changed much. It's really unfortunate that he got banned with a wrong accusation. I've contacted lots of admins, and I've stopped trying because I was ignored, but I know you're a great responsible admin so I decided to ask you instead... even though I didn't want to waste your time. To start off, his friend left me this on my talk page:
-- Behnam 08:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Please Helpme mate.I have two accounts but i use only one and i want to delete the other.In fact i want to delete this one Black Horseman.Can you help me and delete the account for me because i don't know how. Black Horseman And how exactly can i redirect it to my new account; Black Horseman I am Eagle of Pontus.If you can do it for me please.Thanks in advance Black Horseman Thanks a lot mate. Eagle of Pontus EvidencesCan these informations be used as evidences? And is there a permanent solution for User: Jingiby's behaviour, which you could see yourself at Mala Prespa talk page? Having no valid counter-arguments to justify his questionable sources he just (cynicaly?) said Good night!(?!). Thank you for your time ---- Dzole (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC) And excuse me but one more. Can Wikipedia BOTs be programmed to consider those frequently used personal nationalist websites such as kroraina.com or promacedonia.org as spam and to remove them everytime they are added to an article? And just one more, the promacedonia.org website's links page reportedly has a trojan. Im afraid to check this myself, its here [35]. Do you/or someone you know have a well protected computer to check this? That website as I explained before is used/or was used as a "source" in several articles. ---- Dzole (talk) 22:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Future, ich denke dass es hier um eine uncorrecte Behandlung geht! Niko Silver probierte den Editkrieg abzugrenzen, aber das war unmoeglich! Die letzte mode jetzt ist neue fotos im Articel zu einsetzen mit 50 Jahre dauerndes Copyright. Ja, aber in RoM das Copyright dauert 70 Jahren nach dem Tode des Authors. Vielleich du kannst den Wege und Balance finden! Gruesse dich! Jingby (talk) 10:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Ich denke, dass unser Bekannte "Feuerchterer" einen neuen Name gefunden had - "Liljak". Das sind seine provokationen. Ich kenne Liljak, er ist tollerant and not so agresiv! Jingby (talk) 12:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Ja, das ist die Wahrheit! Du sehst, er folgt jeden meinen Gang! Das ist nicht Liljak. Solche psychopatische Behaltung hat nur eine person und das ist unseren Bekannten! Jingby (talk) Und noch etwas. Dieser Kerl ist die gleiche Person - Scribewire ! Jingby (talk) 12:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Wenn du kannst seine Personalseite, die mehr nicht existiert wieder sehen, du wirst kuken die gleichen Interessen - hip hop, ninja and so weiter! Aber sehe hier, bitte - [36] Jingby (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Im Allgemeinen, ich denke, dass er manipulliert Wikipedia, Wikipedians und den Administrators wie er will! Jingby (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Entschuldigung Future, hast du erforscht ob unser Freund ist der zweite Liljak und ich sehe die Theme ist nicht mehr geschlossen im Moment? Jingby (talk) 13:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Future, I reworked the article and think it sees now more neutral and objective. Pleace, chek it! Regards! Jingby (talk) 09:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the additionsto the "bass violin" entry. They helped to put the instrument in context with the cello, but were out of my area of knowledge. To bad I can't read German, or I would read the Schmid article. ItaliotisHi FP. Just to let you know that Fatmanonthehorse is getting into edit warring position and contiuously contains the Alexander the great article with propaganda material which will turn the article no healty. Can you have a look at it and upgrade ALEXANDERS article to Full protection for a couple of days?. thanks all the best Italiotis (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
You need to realise that you have been trickedYou of all people need to open your mind and face reality. This report relates to wiki and inadvertantly to you. http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/node/1440 You banned me for adding a newspaper that the editors agreed to include. Can I please be unbanned ? Buffadren I've been outreverted by Kekrops, Niko and Yannis who all of a sudden after 9 months (from your removal) feel some obscure author (Levene) is a reference for a genocide of Pontians. This is exactly the kind of conduct that you complained about in the Macedonia arbitration, heck maybe I should submit some evidence there of this kind of stuff right? Please take a look if you can. --A.Garnet (talk) 18:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Note for you about recent discussion at Talk:Northern CyprusHello FPS. Since you previously blocked one of the editors involved, and restored his editing privileges due to a promise of good behavior, I just wanted you to be updated on some recent exchanges over there: [37]. No action is needed unless things take a turn for the worse. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC) DYK
--Carabinieri (talk) 22:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC) that e-mailHey, I was too busy to deal with Wikipedia for awhile again. I'll just let that e-mail go, it was nonsense anyway. I saw he said that he has issues at home/work and that made him behave so, and I'm very easy to forgive and forget. I disagree with your push for censuring individuals though, I find it not useful. You would have to ask for a censure of many users in that case, not just a random two, and s till it wouldn't be useful. :-) But do as you please. regards, Icsunonove (talk) 02:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Re: Macedonia caseWell, under the draft sanction, admins will be able to impose anything that the Committee could; so I'm not sure I see the need for things to go through us at this point. (If the discretionary sanctions don't pass, we may fall back to needing evidence for specific parties, though.) Kirill 21:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Future, I think this article is for speedy deletion! Jingby (talk) 08:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC) NisarKand has banned me againHi FutPurf, sorry to bother you again... this is the 3rd time now that the same thing has happened :( Please see my talk page. They have blocked my Talkpage so I can't ask for an unblock there. But here is my response and I have clearly explained each edit and after reviewing it there was no reason for User:Rlevse to block me. Once again (this is the 3rd time) he has blocked me by being manipulated by another sockpuppet of NisarKand, now it's User:Hurooz. Here's my response, please forward it to another Admin or place it as an unblock on my talke page: I think you are familiar with my previous two block were you were mistaken and ended up apologizing to me because the user that accused me was a sockpuppet of a previous banned user (user: NisarKand/user: Dilbar Jan/etc). I am very sure that once again this user: Hurooz is another one of his sockpuppets, again he edits the same articles and again he tries to get me banned. If you don't believe that, then atleast let me explain all of these edits and you'll see that whoever reported this is manipulating you.
Conclusion, once again you banned me without proper investigation (this is the 3rd time). Now I have explained each of these edits and it's clear there is no reason for you to have banned me. Please unblock me or unblock my talk page so another admin can see my explanation.
User: Evlekis repeatedly re-adds personal POV and arbitrary statements to the Narodna muzika article (the title means "folk music" in several south slavic languages, its not an article about a particular type of music or folk dance). I asked him to provide sources for his arbitrary statements and personal definitions of "what narodna muzika is and what is not" and about the other info he added, and correct me if Im wrong, but it seems that he doesnt care. See: Talk: Narodna muzika. Thats my perception. He justifies his edits by some logical explanations like (not an exact quote): "no one complains about my edits except you", "oh c'mon if you are from the Balkans you should know that, its a known fact there". He treats this article as a personal essay on the subject. His completely unencyclopedic behaviour must be sanctioned. Having no sources on hand at the moment I dont know what to do with the article. First I added appropriate "unreferenced", "OR" and other tags, Evlekis didnt respond properly, then I just reverted it to what I call "bare-bone" state (just the most basic information that no one can dispute), that includes removal of his personal POV on the subject. BTW this case is not "political" like the others. Its just Evlekis' misconception of what encyclopedia article should be. please check it --Dzole (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Ancient MacedoniaCan you please post the link to the talk page as I cannot find it. Ireland101 (talk) 04:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC) The numbers don't lieGoogle has moved over most of their pairs to statistical machine translation, see the translation for the Slavic languages article :) I'm pretty sure that its SMT, because with most other forms you wouldn't get artifacts like translating "Greek Wikipedia" as "English Wikipedia" (on the front page). - Francis Tyers · 13:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I see you've put up the case at the Arbcom and since I'm not a party in the discussion, I'll write my position here. All my reverts were reverts of Users who appart from being obvious socks, had hmmmm... well, User:Tatarska putka ... no, I'm not gonna translate it, but in the more offensive way, and User:Namajkati is the second part of the sentence "F*ck your mother". It's worth mentioning. --Laveol T 14:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it fair?For User:Icsunonove to violate the agreed upon topic ban for South Tyrol/Province of Bolzano-Bozen? I thought a few weeks ago it would be understood that he and I would never again edit there... but he feels he must contribute. So what happens now? Rarelibra (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
No ideaActually I have no idea what happened there. I just thought I was bringing a silly entry to the attention of admins and clearly stated this in the entry and the edit summary. Can you shed some light? It must be a 'jumpy' day on wikipedia... Politis (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Good point and well spotted. You learn something every day. I though red links were just article that had been initiated in their title only with no entries. Now back to work finishing a paper on the possibilities of a war within EU border in the next few decades. All ideas welcome :-( Politis (talk) 13:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC) 2 years... And what an interesting journey it has been and is! A truly unique place. Politis (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Hello. This is [user: Beh-nam]]. Tatcher has banned me indefinitely because I was asking User:Dmcdevit about user: Tajik's ban and he says that I am misrepresenting the case but really I was asking questions so I can get answers and understand why he was banned. Also he accuses me of working in proxy with user: Tajik while Tajik doesn't even edit most of the articles I edit. And he says I'm banend because of edit warring, but all I was doing was removing really silly edits by a brand new user on the Kunduz Province article. Can you please look into this for me? I would greatly appreciate any of your time right now as Tatcher is not being reasonable. Also, I have noticed he blocked me right after he noticed that I did a checkuser on one of his friends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/E104421 see here). I just thought I'd mention that. ArbComI have filed a case here, I just listed myself an Dbachmann as the involved parties, because I was unsure how to do it, if you would also like to be listed as an involved party and make a statement, please feel free to add your name and statement. futurebird 20:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC) Hey Future i need your helpIn the topic about Pontic Greeks i want to put in the infobox the photos of notable Pontic Greeks instead of one painting that there is right now.I selected these famous Pontians ( Stelios Kazantzidis,Dimitris Psathas,Fyodor Yurchikhin,Giannis Ioannidis,Dimitris Diamantidis,Giourkas Seitaridis,Lazaros Papadopoulos,Basilius Bessarion,Dimitris Salpigidis).Can you please help me put their pictures the way for example Armenians did in their page about Armenians;(i just like their format).I am counting to you help.Thanks in advance. Eagle of Pontus
Bad thing is that i am not a computer expert and not familiar with these procedures.Anyway thanks for your time and info. Eagle of Pontus
RFC relating to my conductRegarding your comments about me reverting the removal of jjk82's unacceptable comments on the south korea article, it was pretty stupid of me, but it was also an honest mistake, i have seen so many edits reverted on certain articles, even when the edits are NPOV and cited correctly, I did not take the due care that I should have done, I saw removed edits, accompanied by seemingly reliable sources, and assumed the removal was the sort of POV edit I have seen a million times before. I won't sit here and claim to be an angel, because I am far from it, I do edit controversial articles, and probably annoyed more than one editor, however I have tried to stay within the rules and the spirit of the rules, and don't wish to get a bad name due to what was an honest mistake. I would have no problem if you disagreed with my tone on wikipedia, or something else i had done intentionally. thanks Sennen goroshi 14:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I'm a blocked user 774townsclearOk. you blocked me indefinite. you believe or not. i am not Bason0, really. see 774townsclear talk page. I can't put unblock tag in 774townsclear page. because, IP blocked. Talk Page Blocked. I made new account, too. Because, I can't recover previous account forever. You killed indefinitely. I made new account. This is only way revert Hoax edit. I move to other place. This IP is not My home. In this ID's talk page, i metioned that I'm a 774townsclear. WP:SOCK If someone uses alternate accounts, it is recommended that he or she provide links between the accounts in most cases to make it easy to determine that one individual shares them and to avoid any appearance or suspicion of sockpuppetry (see alternate account identification). 774townsclear is me. It mean I'm not sock puppetry case. Independence Gate Yeongeunmun Gate Anti-Americanism I must rv. from This Hoax and POV edit. I can't patientnce Hoax edit. especially Yeongeunmun Gate I only rv. 3 edit. except 3 article, I will never touch Anything. It is really important is sock or not? Really Important thing is True or Not. Peasreach5 19:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC) Apologies for the randomness Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry has given you a kitten! Kittens promote Wikilove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Share the WikiLove and civility with everyone and keep up the excellent editing! Send kittens to others by adding {{subst:Joy message}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Republic of MacedoniaThere is a problem between me and my colleague Fatmatenhorse about the ancient history of RoM. Pleace for your intervention as ballance! Thank you! [46]Jingby 17:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC) An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Matthew Hoffman/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Matthew Hoffman/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 17:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC) I am having some problemsI was helping out in the Macedonia naming conflict page when this member called Ireland undid all my edits and called them useless. I went to his page to ask why for example saying the new yugoslav state was lead by tito was useless. I am awaiting an answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ireland101#WP:Citing_sources I see he has had many problems in wiki, can we vote to remove him? Reaper7 21:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC) Have a lookhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonia_naming_dispute#Banning_user_Ireland101 Reaper7 The above arbitration case has closed, and the final decision may be found here. Any uninvolved administrator may, on their own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working on Balkans-related articles if that editor fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, the expected standards of behavior, or the normal editorial process. Discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator, the administrators' noticeboard, or the Committee. For the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 02:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC) VandalismSomeone has vandalized Pontic Greeks article.He ahs deleted everything but the first paragraph. Eagle of Pontus I agreed with your unprotection at the time. Unfortunately, since then Giovanni has, instead of discussing the ban, been accusing people (namely me) of lying and being biased in his usual not-so-polite fashion, see [47] (Italian), and there's been all kinds of other trouble there too in the past couple of days. I think protection is an idea worth revisiting. Regards, – Steel 16:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd be grateful if you could have a look at Template:Countries of Europe. My recent change seems to be well within what WP:MOSMAC establishes as the convention, but Kekrops (typically) is objecting and, ridiculously, is moving the country to be listed under "R". (Remind me why we haven't already blocked him for incessant nationalist silliness?) -- ChrisO 09:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
RequestYou must delete 1963 Skopje earthquake and Suge Knight Represents: Chronic 2000 because I created them when I was banned. ==HELP! Well not me,wikipedia! ==I whent to you becaouse i liked the sharp way you settled some disputes in the Byzantine Empire article. Not i`m struggaling in the Polymath article with someone if Ataturk was or was not a polymath and i do think that he uses an unreliable source and that it`s affirmations are somewhat phantasmagorical(i do hope i spelled it right) while he says that i have to prove that his source was incorect!Hope you can visit soon and settle this dispute as you see fit! AdrianCo 13:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)AdrianCo
ConfusedWas it Ireland you backed in the Macedonia naming Dispute discussion or me? He thinks you backed him? Reaper7 (talk) 21:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
MapsHI FPS. I hope u have been well. I know u do a little bit of mapping. Is there any blank map templates here on wiki that have some geographic detail (ie rivers and mountain ranges) ? Hxseek (talk) 00:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
This user is requesting unblock, can you please review it? Thanks (for all the work there)! -- lucasbfr talk 00:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Palatal plosivesYou seem to know a bit about these. [48] Maybe you can help with the voiceless palatal plosive. On the talk page page people have been discussing about whether the examples are wrong and whatnot. It seems we are dealing with two different sounds here: one based on /t/ and similar to /tj/ like in Hungarian and one based one /k/ and similar to /kj/ like in Macedonian. The sample isn't that great - I can't hear it well enough but it doesn't really sound like the Macedonian ќ should. Any help/ideas would be appreciated. Alex 202.10.89.28 (talk) 04:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Pashtun PeopleHello there!, there are a couple of broken ref's on the article Pashtun people that you recently fully protected, 37 and 92..¿any chance you have the spare time to fix it?. Btw, this is by far the largest talk page I've seen :).--Seba5618 (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC) Pashtun peopleThe section I added was all referenced. So why did you delete it?
AfghanistanBejnar removed sourced material and you locked the page to his version. That makes no sense. See the talk page Bejnar is acting on his own and removing these sourced terms just because he doesn't like them because he is a Pashtun and wants "Afghan unity". Wikipedia shouldn't be here to promote "Afghan unity". So please put back the other two denonyms, which are referenced by American Heritage Dictionary and WordNet
By the way, the version that you have the Pashtun people article locked on right now is by NisarKand. He placed that Zalmay Khalilzad picture there.
Sockpuppet/MeatpuppetI thought you might be interested about a possible sock/meat puppet. User Laveol was upset about images posted of artifacts found at Samuils fortress in the Samuil of Bulgaria article so he sent me a message on my talk page saying why he thought they do not belong there. Minutes after he did so User:Gligan reverted the article back to Laveol's edits without the images. User Gligan has not made changes on Wikipedia for days and out of the blue made the change Laveol wanted withing minutes of the message posted by him on my talk page. I really think User:Gligan is a sockpuppet. Ireland101 (talk) 20:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC) NisarKand back againhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Travler And once again all the admins ignore him and let him do whatever. But when I fix vandalism and people like Bejnar remvoing sourced material, the pages are protected.
Hi FPaS, After your move-protect of Rule of the Gaza Strip by Egypt I started a discussion thread (here) and invited the other party in the move-war to participate (here), without any response. What steps would you suggest for getting the page un-protected? Cheers and many thanks, pedro gonnet - talk - 10.12.2007 08:57 An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/RodentofDeath/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/RodentofDeath/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Whiteandnerdy111 (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Ploytonic unicodeexcuse me, you mean that IE does not appear the accents and shows these boxes? Other programs show them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimboukas (talk • contribs)
Could you please take a look at Bulgaria? The user keeps inserting a statement about the "longer than 6000 year history of Bulgaria", a statement that doesn't really belong in the intro and is mentioned in prehistory anyway, not to mention threatening to get me banned for removing it. Looking at his talk page, it seems that he had been doing the same with another user, until that user gave up. 3rdAlcove (talk) 21:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC) NOR Request for arbitrationBecause of your participation in discussions relating to the "PSTS" model in the No original research article, I am notifying you that a request for arbitration has been opened here. I invite you to provide a statement encouraging the Arbcom to review this matter, so that we can settle it once and for all. COGDEN 00:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Vandalism by user TsourkpkUser: Tsourkpk has been deleting any image of Ancient Macedon related to the Republic of Macedonia. It is clearly NPOV as it removing related content just because it is related to RoM. Here are some examples:[52] the user simply moved one image into the place of the RoM image. Also [53], as soon as the image was added the user changed it. There are many other instances. Any help would be appreciated. Ireland101 (talk) 00:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
He is adding the same stuff to a number of unrelated articles. --Laveol T 15:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
User:Brendan unblock requestHe's saying he didn't do anything wrong and that discipline was unevenly applied. Since you were blocking admin, I'm consulting you. Daniel Case (talk) 21:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Odst violated new rule of the Liancourt RocksHi,
I think that Odst violated this rule(Slow it down and Blatant POV).[67]--Opp2 (talk) 08:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC) Dear Future, there is a clear POV pusher stating I am lol [68]! He tries to change the location of the thracian tribe Maedi from Southeast Bulgaria, with his map where they are located in Chalkidiki's coast.  All my proves he states were old and biased which is something strange! Plewse see the talk pages of the both articles. Regards! It began something as Edit-war between us! Jingby (talk) 08:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC) Maedi location from by Hoddinot,Fol & Cah..Where am i wrong?Megistias (talk) 13:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC) I made one with both locations and will upload as soon as the commons get unsctukMegistias (talk) 13:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC) Map updated Megistias (talk) 13:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC) Also after comparing our sources you seem to be the Pov pusher JingibyMegistias (talk) 13:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC) Old issue againHi. Sorry to trouble you with this again. Since the Ethnic Macedonians article has been re-opened for editing, I endeavoured to improve the 'identities' section. Laveol and Jingiby (the 2 old culprits) are reverting NPOV, directly quoted and referenced points; and simpy state that I am POV-pushing. The tone of my section was neutral, and I totally beleive that I cannot even reason with these 2 as their entire aim is to push their own personal agendas, no matter how disruptive it is. Can something be done? Hxseek (talk) 03:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC) Louisiana Baptist UniversityI have no objection to your making a case at Afd that Louisiana Baptist University is not notable. I do take offense at removing three-quartes of the article with the claim that every single item you removed was "original research", and doing so while the article is at AfD. If you have specific issues that fail your standards of sourcing, feel free to tag them as such, and I will be happy to provide appropriate sources or remove the content in question. Alansohn (talk) 05:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello!Hello! Please do NOT, edit my profile without reasons. I clearly put UCK and I wrote albanians because UCK is made of albanians. First of all I made many, many contributions that stopped separatism and nazism spreading here and you banned me for what? Hate speech? When I spoke to that member he asked me something, I answered what I know is truth, and you banned me? It's like we talk about rock music and you like rock and I don't then you ban me for 2 weeks and say other reason. Please tell me why did you do this? I am going to give contributions like I did to Brigandine, Resident Evil 3 etc. but tell me why did you ban me? I don't know how much you like albanians I have right to believe in truth, and while I'm not insulting anyone with my userboxes you can't delete them just because you are an administrator. Please, answer this time with an answer not ban. Good luck! --Србија до Токија (talk) 10:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC) Copyright violationsI notice you've indicated that Frank Campion contains copyright violation, but haven't indicated where from. I found the one for Mitchell Stevens but I'd rather not have to re-find everything if there are others, could you give me a URL? Bryan Derksen (talk) 06:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC) Future, how would I go about having images deleted from Wikipedia that I own the copyright to? BrygesHi, In the article Bryges, several users have been tag-teaming to add a paragraph[71] that is un-sourced and makes several very controversial statements which are incorrect. The paragraph is basically a critique of Academic John Shea's views on the Macedonian issue. All the critisizm is un-sourced and NPOV. Ireland101 (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
William Mauco revistedGreetings Future Perfect at Sunrise, If you recall, a while back you ran a checkuser against me due to allegiations from a bonaparte sock that I was William Mauco. I didn't really see how this checkuser was needed however I don't have a big problem with it as there seemed to have been a sock infestation in Transnistria so I could see how everybody might have been checkuser trigger happy. The problem now is that everytime I have any minor content dispute, people trott out that checkuser as a form of wikilawyering. See here. I respectfully request that you confirm that you don't believe me to be Mauco. If you still have some concerns, I can do what I will to alleviate your concerns short of giving up my privacy. Thanks in advance Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Besa Arvanon,Pirro burri , Attack of the Clonesbesa talk.His last insult to me is "What you can expect form self hating people without clear ethnicity as you are".Can someone do something? He is cloning himself all over the place.Megistias (talk) 15:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC) A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR
...My guinea pigs and the "A"s, "B"s and "C" having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "D"s, "E"s and "F"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) ++Lar: t/c 18:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC) Sure, I can help keep an eye on it. Do you think it should be reprotected to any level? jj137 ♠ 16:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC) Request 2I request: it's possible to reduce ban of user:Giovanni Giove? He is a capable editor in 3 versions of Wiki: Italian, English-third level- and French-second level-! There are few capable editors like as Giovanni in Wiki!!!! I thnink so: 6 months of block is a balanced punishment; I propose 6 months of block then administrators can block Giovanni for 7 months and more but to ban indefinitly Giovanni is damaging action against Wiki!!!! Regards--PIO (talk) 19:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC) HelpHi Future Perfect, User:Ireland101 is getting really on my case and is trying to frame me for vandalism. None of my edits constitute vandalism, as you can see for yourself. All I did was remove weasel wording and original research which he inserted to push a particular POV. He has tried to get rid of me in the past and is now stalking me and taking it to the next level. Please help, I don't know who else to turn to. --Tsourkpk (talk) 07:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
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