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User talk:FossaWelcome! Hello, Fossa, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Wikipedia Boot Camp, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type Here are a few more good links to help you get started:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --CBD ☎ ✉ 12:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC) Hello Fossa, I cannot see any good reason for your removal of books by ACM protagnists in the Wikipedia policies or guidelines and I reverted the removals. If you disagree then please explain why at talk:Anti-Cult Movement. Please note that it is standard practice in Wikipedia that books about and by a certain movement or person or religious movement are listed. Thanks. Andries 20:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC) Three-revert rule warningPlease refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Three-revert rule warningPlease refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.
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Inappriopriate edit summariesFossa, you used the following edit summary at Tilman Hausherr "Maintenance: This is is a test how long an unjustified revert will take.)" Your edit summary strikes me as if you edit Wikipedia in bad faith. We do not edit Wikipedia articles as a test. Please use the Wikipedia:sandbox as test ground. Thanks in advance. Andries 11:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument against the person") or attacking the messenger, involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself."[1]
"Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice."[2]
Please do never divulge the names of the employers of critics of cultsFossa, please do not divulge the name of the employers of critics of cults, nowhere in Wikipedia. See here for an example why this is wrong. [3] The antagonism and even harassment between apostates and cult members is not confined to Scientology. Andries 02:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC) Removal of blacklisted URL from your user pageHey Fossa, I've removed the blacklisted URL redirect that you had on your user page. Wikipedia has that list for a reason (various reasons, actually, depending on the URL in question), and side-stepping the blacklist is not really acceptable. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. Truly, JDoorjam Talk 02:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC) critics and opponents at cult apologistThe term cult apologist is used among others by Tilman Hausherr who is both described as a critic and an opponent with reputable source. user:Fossa was actively engaged in this discussion about Tilman Hausherr but he reverts the article cult apologist without explanation to a version removing the word critic. I do not understand this and I will revert back unless user:Fossa give a good reason for his revert. Please try to give a reason for this because without explanation your behavior on this article gives me good reason not to assume your good faith. Thanks Andries 10:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your help on Reinhart HummelBy the way, does the EZW use the term alternative religion? If not, what term do they use? I think the Reinhart Hummel article should use the terms that the EZW uses or terms by others to describe the EZW. I do not know how the term alternative religion is defined. (I do not like concepts without a clear definition). Andries 17:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Re SekaRegarding this, you are right. I had no idea what I was reverting to! I was involved in this by one side of the revert war, and aimed to sort it out via a source. That's why I did the revert, and as you see it worked (thanks to you)! :-) NikoSilver 10:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Fossa! Thanks for helping out with the List of state mottos. Like you said, quite a few of the mottos listed are made up, though it isn't as bad as it used to be. Nonetheless, could you be more specific as to why you removed the mottos for Germany and Schleswig-Holstein? The articles in English and German give the same motto as the one that was listed (see Germany, de:Deutschland, Schleswig-Holstein, de:Schleswig-Holstein), and there was a reference for the German motto, showing that the German 2 Euro coins have the phrase Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit on the edge [4]. This is also stated in the article German euro coins: "The edge lettering features the words "EINIGKEIT UND RECHT UND FREIHEIT" (Unity and Justice and Freedom), Germany's national motto and the beginning of Germany's national anthem." Is it the case that this phrase was added even though it is not official? If so, you might want to edit the main articles Germany and de:Deutschland to reflect that, as well as German euro coins. Cheers, Pruneautalk 14:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Your Landmark Education workI believe that your very fair editing has been smeared on Landmark Education. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Landmark_Education#Removing_drive_by_vandalism_in_intro. It pains me to see balanced, intelligent editing treated with contempt. Wbroun 19:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Your statement proven to be untrueYou wrote at talk:cult apologist in response to me the following
What you wrote is untrue. Rick Ross' website contains statement that can be interpreted as positive. E. g. the following [5]
Andries 23:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
VindicationWow, I found your page through Sfacets user page. Great stuff. I just posted on your blog relatively anonymously (Wikicabalistan - hilarious).... I feel vindicated by the fact that other people see the truth behind the machine, so to speak...sorry to be so vague, but its so damn easy to incriminate yourself on here for eternity and generate enemies...like shadows in the dark waiting to pounce on you. But, one fascinating thing I've found on here is that the deeper you get in terms of brain-rupturing POV disputes and such, the more the deeper order of Truth you find, as long as you take things as projections of your Self- i.e. self-knowledge. Cheers.. Hamsacharya dan 06:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC) VandalismPlease don't vandalize. It makes you look like a fool and a petty child Хајдук Еру (Talk || Cont) 03:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Serbs of CroatiaThis whole topic is a lot more complex than most people realise. A lot needs to be said; when I state that Serbs from Croatia speak Serbian I know precisely what I mean. Are you prepared to discuss this if I open a discussion on the talk page? Evlekis 18:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Well you're not here given that your last edit came about two hours ago. No fault of your own. I shall revert to my version and explain my reasons on the talk page. Evlekis 18:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC) THIRD THOUGHT. I have decided to leave it. Your actual version is fine. Yours says rightly that Croatian is spoken by most of its inhabitants which indeed it is: Croats make up about 90% of the structure, and Serbs plus other minorities, less than 5%; that accounts for the percentage who declare a national language other than Croatian. I agree with you totally that the remaining Serbs naturally speak every bit the same as their Croatian neighbours. The question is one of morality, calling their language Croatian, and calling the Croats' language in Serbia, Serbian. As I said, your heading doesn't need changing, you've done well; the rest of it, you and I can discuss on my talk page if you wish. Evlekis 18:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Well actually, "Vaš jezik" is perfectly all right in all cases. The factors which you fail to realise are more complicated than that. You said "a Serb from Croatia speaks more closely to Croats than Serbs", what is that supposed to mean? Serbs speak differently from one municipality to the next; Croatians also speak differently from one municipality to the next. Are all Croatians confined to Croatia? Like hell they are, they make up a quarter of of Bosnia & Herzegovina, and then you have another 80,000 in Serbia followed by some significant pockets of nationals in Romania and Hungary. Then there are the removed Croatians of Burgenland, Slovenia, and Macedonia; then above that, you have other nations accross the field whom centralised Croats claim are Croatian, though the population itself is either uncertain, or is identifying by another national name. I won't name the last groups because we are not discussing ethnicity, so to be safe, let us look at the people who positively identify as Croats. In Zagreb, they speak their own way, and in Split, they speak their way. There are many differences, but if you walk from one city to the other, in any silly direction, stopping in every village where there are Croats, you'll see that the speech gradually changes gently (as does the traditional costume, music etc). Now when you walk accross the Croat-Bosnian border, this continuum doesn't stop, the differences continue, and continue, and even as you get into Serbia, they continuously change gradually. For a moment, just forget the existence of the Serbs. For Vojvodina Croats to speak this Ekavian language which you consider Serbian, there is no requirement for Serbian people to be present, or even born; it would still be the same, because it is linked to the other dialects with no abrupt frontier. What they are speaking in all these places is a perpetually evolving Slavic language which has been passed down to every generation by his ancestor. Why the Orthodox majority of Novi Sad call themselves Serbian is their own business. Now language by nature, evolves to suit the speakers, and the Croats in every territory they occupy, speak their own language, a Slavic language as we said. To this end, the same is of the Serbs; from Belgrade to Niš, the differences are without number, and then creating a triangle into Knin from both previously mentioned towns, you have the same prolonged proximity, thus the speech of the Knin Serbs is connected to all other Serbian dialects via a dense line of closely related dialects gradually changing as they move farther away. So, just as Croats inhabit a large geographical area where each speaks the language which he has developed and not adopted, that zone is also inhabited by other nations who, though not Croat, are still Slavic, and are in turn speaking a perpetually evolving Slavic language. Thus, the local speech of a Serb in Knin, Kotor or Prijedor is also the local speech of the Croat or Bosniak sharing the same town. Now if a Hungarian were to speak the Slavic language local to, let's say Osijek, his situation is different; whilst identifying as Hungarian and speaking the local Slavic tongue, he will have had to abandon or forget an active language spoken all around him which is not similar to Croatian. But for Croatian Serbs and Serbian Croats, it is not the same; the Serbs have abandoned no language in Knin, and they do not speak one form to other Serbs and another to Croats, they have only one language which is theirs because - even if the original 16th settlers then spoke something different to their neighbours, how different could it have been if it were linked by a continuum and the evolution of both local registers would have resulted in a single dialect within one generation; you pick up my habits, I develop yours, something impossible for Hungarian or Italian. So, Serbs from Croatia sounding more like Croats is nonsense! They speak more like the Croats around them, yes! But what about the Croats of Serbia? If what they speak is Serbian just because they are outnumbered then what the Hell constitutes Serbian and Croatian anyway? How can you say that one man is more Croatian than another? Is it because he lives in Croatia when the other is in Serbia? But if the Croats originate from Serbia, and yet continue to identify as Croats with every passing generation, might this not be a sign that they would prefer to see their region in Croatia instead? Equally, if another crisis occurred and Croatia ended up losing Dubrovnik to a Greater Montenegro, would its Croatians 100 years down the line still be more Croat than those in Srem, now entirely joined to Srijem? Naturally not. So this is not the case with Serbs either. Official standard language. Now it may happen that a Serb wishing to prosper as a journalist in Croatia, would have to excel in the standard language of Croatia first, and he may also choose to speak this language in every day life. I believe that Croatia's standard language is based in Dubrovnik, and that is something very different from Eastern Slavonian, based in a region from where a Serb could realisticly originate. Just remember, standard languages are only stylised arrangements, largely artificial; usually based in one area which disenfranchises the rest of the linguistic community (why should their dialect be chosen when ours has been developing for centuiries as well?); or compilations of various speech forms and blocks of vocabulary drawn from a wider region, in which case, nobody truely speaks it. Croatian and Serbian are both based in simple areas, but include vocabulary from their wider regions, a half-way measure (baring in mind that eventually, less than 10% of any linguistic community fully speak their standard language 100% of the time); cruel, but necessary since where there are cultural-ethnic-linguistic continua, standard language can often be the only marker of identity. But remember! Croatian is only the name of this Dubrovnik based stylised guide devised to unite the Croatian nation; in the end of the day, standard languages as we know them only date back three or four centuries, and none have been stable. Before one be agreed upon, it is necessary than eveyone everywhere is in place, all doing their own thing, so that the architects can begin to build on their project (ie. standard Hungarian could not have been devised by a Canadian living in the Alsace among French and German speakers), and even if Croatia was once upon a time, populated entirely by pure-blooded Croats with no interference from outside (something the Ustashe tried to promote), their place would still be affected by the neighbouring Serbs because where Croats would end, Serbs would begin, and all speaking Slavic languages, the border regions would be closer to each other than their own people's dialects farther away (examples include: Spanish/French; French/Italian; Swedish/Norwegian; Latvian/Lithuanian; Czech/Slovak/Polish; Polish/Ukrainain/Belarussian; German/Dutch; Serbian/Macedonian/Bulgarian; and Croatian/Slovenian). My point is that the Serbs of Croatia, just like the Croats of Serbia for Serbian, all form a part of the operational matrix which is "the standard language", take out their presence, and the whole ship goes off the rails, the Croatia which you grew to know would discontinue. Go back in time and stop the Serbs arriving, and your language today would be something unlike what it is now. And just as a Knin-based Serb has to make changes from his everyday speech to talk the national standard language, so does his neighbour who speaks the same language as him, the Knin-Croat: he too will have to make changes to adopt the standard language. So how do you tell who speaks which language? The same as when dictating ethnicity; via the census. Serbs, no matter where and how, claim to speak Serbian. Some actually do opt for the national language, but others, and I know some in Macedonia - speak the standard language of the country: I cannot call his language Macedonian because he is Serb, and what he speaks is as much his as mine, and radical Serbs view my homeland as being traditionally Serbian anyhow, so if they're Serb in Bujanovac, they're Serb in Bitola too (not my words, theirs). As I said earlier, the language of the Serbs in Macedonia (who never moved south from Serbia) is the same as my cousin's, but my cousin is Macedonian because he wants to be Macedonian. Macedonian culture is born, a language is needed, it is created from a local base, but the radical Serbs claim that their presence predates those idelogies; I cannot dictate who is right and who is wrong. So your language is the one you choose; Hungarian is isolated, therefore, nobody matter how far afield who speaks a Magyar descended dialect speaks anything else other than "a dialect of Hungarian", and from what I've learned, that could be more different from standard Hungarian than all South Slavic languages put together; my point being, his nationality stays the same but his language becomes very different, and still, it is universally called Hungarian; by himself, by Hungraians, and by the rest of the world. So he who says he is Serb speaks Serbian: Glazba has a Slavic root and suffix, Serbian is derived from Slavic. If it were adopted for Croatian, then it wasn't previously being used by them either. It would be ridiculous for a Serb to state that his word "glazba" is slang, borrowed from a fellow Slavic language, ultimately derived from Slavic itself whilst his actual word "muzika" has its roots in Greek! End. Evlekis 19:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC) Vandalism
I don't give no silly barnstars, but...thanks for periodic interjections of sanity! I don;t usually point to my posts, but in this case, I admit I do crack myself up sometimes...the whole thing is too funny. Cheers. BabyDweezil 16:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Yippeee! --Justanother 04:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC) AN/I on User:Antaeus FeldsparHi. Since you are somewhat involved in this by having been accused of WP:PA on the BLP noticeboard by User:Antaeus Feldspar, it is appropriate that I let you know about it and invite your comments. While I have requested that the "usual suspects" refrain from commenting, you are directly involved and implicated by the charges of WP:PA by User:Antaeus Feldspar that figure into the incident. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Attacks_and_disruption_of_noticeboards_by_User:Antaeus_Feldspar Thanks. --Justanother 14:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Serbo-CroatYou can understand my native language! ;) Where did you learn it, if I may know? --PaxEquilibrium 19:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC) WikiProject updates
NeutralityHi. I like your proposed edit [6] but please bear in mind the need to get consensus on hotly disputed policy pages. Don't waste your time (and others') by edit warring. --Uncle Ed 21:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC) Proposed Tilman article mergeHello Fossa, could you vote either merge or oppose on the Tilman article proposed merge page?, So far it is a tie 4-4. You vote could depend on whether the articled says as an article or is merged. Thanks John196920022001 23:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC) Neighbours --> NeighborsPlease do not make this sort of BE to AE change in articles that are, on the whole, written using BE, like Germany. Thanks, JHMM13 22:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC) Okidoki, Mister Blister. 23:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC) NationalismOh, and by the way, I get the distinct feeling that the agenda of Greek nationalists is to force the country to stop using "Macedonia" entirely, not just to have extra words added (which are already part of the country's official name anyhow, and there are still arguments...), so using the full name the first time it's mentioned isn't likely to really appease any of those nationalists. But whatever. I have better things to do than argue such stupidly tiny semantics, when it'll just be re-argued again later by the next person who comes along. -Bbik 02:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
HelloWe havn't met, so I'll introduce myself. Hi, I'm john. ok, now that we have that done.. ;)... Who really cares whether or not there was 'truely' libel or harassment involved in that thread? You know that you won't get him to admit it isn't, and continuing to poke it only annoys him. Once the conversation degenerates into : is too / is not / is too / is not / is too is too is too / is not not not .. it begins to look childish for both parties. Believe me, I am not a Tilman fan. And having you repeatedly poke him begins to make you look chidlish. It is in your best interest to stay 100% civil and adult, and let him look childish for crying NPA and LIBEL and and and. And, I'll call them as I see them. You went beyond where you should have gone, and I said so. Peace in God. Lsi john 14:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
AdjaniWhere's your documentation for her father's Berber heritage? This claim contradicts other references. Dogru144 23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Just as a heads up, I'm using this image here. If you object to this, leave me a note. Thanks, Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 22:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow! thanks for showing up, it was getting lonely on that page. This is just a note to let you know I revamped the private sphere section as par you advice, and I was wondering what you thought? Coffeepusher (talk) 21:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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Zanjan population figuresIf I remember correctly, I think I copied the population figures for Zanjan from the corresponding article at French Wikipedia. Hope this helps. Jheald (talk) 10:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Regarding your questionJossi has a conflict of interest in the topic of new religious movements and has previously been in conflict with Cirt. By any reasonable definition, either or both of those factors are grounds for recusal from using the tools at an AE thread primarily about Cirt. The reasons for mentioning Jehochman as unsuitable were less weighty; Jehochman had merely been a named party in the previous case due to volunteer work at a couple of noticeboards. Generally speaking, when it comes to contentious post-arbitration disputes the best thing is for an administrator with a totally clean slate to weigh matters, ask relevant questions, and conclude on a solution. Any history at all runs the risk of fueling the dispute in the eyes of one side or another. Recusal is not so much a matter of the administrator's inner objectivity, as avoiding the potential appearance of impropriety. It doesn't necessarily imply 'this admin is unfair' to state that recusal is appropriate. In the best light, recusal is an action that reduces drama. Not sure if you're aware of RFAR conventions; the page is not set up for threaded discussion. A previous threaded discussion had occurred at that request and the clerks hadn't addressed it yet, so I put up a general request for clerking. If you wouldn't mind, would you please move your comment here and follow up with any others you may have? With respect, DurovaCharge! 20:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Arbitration case openedIf you are interested in following the arbitration case, or adding yourself as a party, the case now has its own page here and is open for submission of evidence. Jayen466 09:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Notification of Wikiquette AlertsHallo Fossa, beim nächsten mal halte dich doch bitte an das Fettgedruckte. Danke. --Minderbinder-de (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC) ServusleHey fosskatz, how are you doing? --Jnanamonster (talk) 12:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
A kitten for you! You are a victim of my networking skills! NoCultureIcons (talk) 09:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Sue GardnerYou can imagine how I felt when I was sent a message by Jimbo begging me for money. They should be paying me!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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