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Battle of Dunkirk

There has recently been some conjecture as to how to describe the victory by the German forces. Can you or other members of the project group please assist in the discussion on the talk page. I intend to call for a consensus decision in order to establish the infobox statement regarding the outcome of the battle. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC).

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Jassy-Kishinev

How many times must you be told to please *not* do any controversial article moves without any kind of proposal? How many of your proposals must fail before you realize that the name you so passionately seem to hate is the accepted name in modern English language historical circles, not to mention the official name of the operation? That Glanz in his new book focuses on the Targul frumos offensive so much as to call the actual J-K operation "second", is not ground enough to go against scientific consensus, as was demonstrated here (Glanz' invention "Operation August Storm" is only a secondary name) and as you have agreed yourself here (although the latter case is dubiuos, as no scientific consensus was verifiably presented there). --Illythr (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Does he attribute the operation name in his book to a Soviet directive calling it such? As you can see in the examples above, sometimes his names are his invention (well, once, actually). Also, isn't this the battle of Targu Frumos?
Anyhow, of all people, you should know that unilateral moves of that particular articles is a very bad idea. Please propose it first, once again. --Illythr (talk) 01:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Hm, never heard of a "first" J-K Op... there's certainly only one in any Russian source I read. I noticed some references to fighting in that period, but Soviet units were ordered to the defensive on 5. May, AFAIK. Also, there's an inconsistency with the dates - the Uman-Botoshany operation, that is generally labelled the precursor for the J-K ended on 17 April. Seeing as how they both are in the same operational area, it's odd that Stavka would start another operation before the current one is completed. Even more so, as, according to Konev, the U-B op exhausted (due to the unsuccessful battle of Targu Frumos) and the troops were deemed unable to mount a new attack. Mmh. --Illythr (talk) 21:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
As long as you don't go against established scientific consensus, I have neither reason, nor intention of opposing your good work. Still, it would be nice to know whether that specific name is coined by Glantz or he cites an actual Stavka directive ordering an offensive named such. In any case, the apparent overlap with the Uman-Botoshany offensive should be cleared to avoid confusion. I made a few edits in your sandbox in the meantime, please verify if they're ok. --Illythr (talk) 22:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, I suppose you can initiate another move request. However, I will invariably vote against it, because Glanz is currently the only author to use this name, whereas every other reliable source (pretty much everyone else, really; Google finds no hits at all for "second iasi-kishinev" or "second jassy-kishinev"; neither does google books, huh) uses "J-K Op" specifically for the August operation, making his POV a minority one (for now, this may change in the future). Is there another name he uses in his book? Also, is this the official Soviet name of the operation? A positive answer to this question will likely get you many votes at ReqMove. --Illythr (talk) 12:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, except that both names of those battles can be found in many outside sources, whereas this one equates a (relatively) well-known operation with one that is completely obscure (so far you have avoided an answer to the question, whether it was a self-name or Glanz' own invention). A viable option would be to use the alternative suggested by MILMOS: Use the same article name for both ops, with the date serving as a disambig. (April-July 1944) vs (August 1944). Still, this really should be decided by the MilHist project participants, so I suggest a ReqMove (perhaps with two choices) that is advertized at MilHist to solve the issue. --Illythr (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see you decided to do the confrontational way again. Seeing as how you have a history of doing sneaky POV moves of that article, this can be interpreted as a breach of WP:POINT. Still, per AGF, I ask you to undo this controversial move yourself and do it the right way. --Illythr (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as how you're the one doing the controversial move, it's you who should be using the WP:RM. I will implement the other solution, with the dates, as the name "Second J-K Operation" is not used by any source at all (apparently, not even Glantz). This is a temporary solution, until an appropriate name for the "first" operation will be found, but it will do. --Illythr (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Which is why I'm doing it in accordance with the MILMOS as well: "...the month of the battle may be used as a disambiguation (as in Invasion of Tulagi (May 1942))." Please also review WP:CONSENSUS to see how these things should be handled. You might find this approach more productive than a sneaky move when nobody's looking. --Illythr (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Morotai

Thank you, I was about to close that review and you beat me to it. That I can see, there aren't any others with strong consensus at the moment - in ACR or FAC for us. Cam (Chat) 17:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Re Falaise Pocket

I'll make it a priority ;) EyeSerenetalk 10:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

C-Class

It is great to see such diversity in the Military History WikiProject. Even though we don't agree I still respect your opinion and it seems that one of us will have to bow to the consensus of the WikiProject. I am so glad to see that people are really showing that they care about the future of this WikiProject, keep up the good work! Have A Great Day! Lord R. T. Oliver The Olive Branch 23:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

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Perch and Normandy Strategy

How do's!

I believe i have finished editing Operation Perch do you feel there is any information missing from the sources you have?

Also did we get started on a normandy strategy article or is that still in the to do list?--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

lol once this has a good ce done over it i think we can jump stright to FAC! :D--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 18:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Image to consider

Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/First Battle of Târgu Frumos Hi I have added this image here as well in case you miss it --Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Panzergrenadierdivision "Grossdeutschland" , April 1944

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Next moves

So out of our objectives we currently have 5 out 35 (ish) articles up to FAC standard. Falaise pocket should be passed soon and with a bit of luck so shall Perch within the month (or early next month).

Following Friday and up until April (when my next uni assignment is due) i plan on finishing off the Goodwood article and then the Villers-Bocage one. For co-ordination efforts, what are you going to be working on?--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 11:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good, although i do hope that after we have worked on the articles we have talked about the group doesnt essentially cease to exist. I also fully support your ideas that you presented in your candidacy!--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 14:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for First Battle of Târgu Frumos

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Request for aid in copyediting

I'm currently working to shepherd Operation Deny Flight through an FAC, found here, and Laser brain has suggested that the quality of the prose isn't good enough for the criteria. I respectfully disagree, and I have done my best to beautify the article's prose, but Laser brain and I felt that it might be best if an outside copyeditor could come in and touch up the wording to assuage his concerns (I would do more work myself, but it's often so hard to spot faults with your own writing). In any case, Laser brain suggested that you might be someone who could help out, so I'd like to ask if you'd take a look at the article, and help out if you can. I imagine you have other things on your plate, but I'd be very much obliged if you'd at least give it a quick look. Thanks! Cool3 (talk) 20:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so very much! Cool3 (talk) 23:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your work so far. I hope you don't mind that I've copyediting your copyediting a bit. Thanks again! Cool3 (talk) 00:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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Soldiers of the 4th Australian Division crossing a duckboard track through Chateau Wood, Ypres on 29 October 1917.

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Support/Copyediting Midshipman

Thank you for your postive comments on the ACR. I've tried my best to copyedit this article but my eyes have glazed over my imperfect prose. Would you be able to help with the copy edit? I don't know what else I need to do to get support, all the other problems have been addressed. Maybe I'm formatting my responses incorrectly? Thanks for your help! Kirk (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Welcome!

Hi, Eurocopter and thank you for your warm welcome! Can you or somebody else who is more objective than me, take a look at Talk:Klis Fortress. I rated the article as B-Class on the quality scale, but I wrote it so I might be a little subjective. Am I wrong, if yes please correct my assesment? Regards. --Kebeta (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

O.K.--Kebeta (talk) 21:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Ahem...be careful in reverting

Someone else has asked me not to put warning templates on your page as you're a "regular" and someone of good standing. Apologies for that - it's just that the Russia page gets hit with a lot of vandalism.

So I'll just say that this edit, reverting and thereby reintroducing the phrase Russia aka I suck land officially known as both Russia and the most terrible place in the world by reverting anti-vandalism work was probably not the best idea.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 01:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message! ;-) VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 09:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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RuAF

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Cöln vs. Köln

Hey, Eurocopter, hope your vacation went well. I thoroughly enjoyed my vacation and came back refreshed and relaxed. Anyway, back here at WP, I've been working on refining categories on cruisers and noticed that the spelling of SMS Köln (1909) and SMS Köln (1916) (and the latter's namesake class, Köln-class cruiser) are spelled differently than sources I had and from the spelling at the German Wikipedia, all of which are spelled with the Cöln spelling. I asked Parsecboy about this and he seemed to recall some discussion about this (but not where it took place) and noted that you had made the article moves back in January 2008. He also has sources that indicate the ships were spelled with the C spelling. Do you, (a), recall any discussion prior to the moves, or, (b), have sources that indicate the K spelling is the correct one? (I don't have access to WWII sources, but the spelling for the English WP article on the Reichsmarine/Kriegsmarine cruiser, at German cruiser Köln, seems to match the German WP article's spelling in that case.) — Bellhalla (talk) 11:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, unfortunately (or fortunately :) ) my vacation went a bit prolongued by a few days, this being the reason why I haven't been around as announced earlier. Regarding this issue, I recall as well a discussion establishing the consensus for my moves, but couldn't find it (I've searched even through my email). However, if you have reliable sources that state something else, feel free to move the articles accordingly. All the best, --Eurocopter (talk) 16:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

ACR closure

Hi mate, welcome back. Just re. the SMS Hindenberg review, the new guidelines that ACRs stay open a minimum of 5 days (and a maximum of 28 days) might've been agreed while you were away, accordingly this one officially had another day or so to run. Probably not a huge deal in this case, admittedly, but so you're aware... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, I wasn't aware of the new ACR regulations concerning minimum/maximum duration. However, I believe we can make an exception this time considering that it had 5 supports as well. Anyway, thanks for the notice! --Eurocopter (talk) 15:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

On the topic of another closure, I was a bit surprised to see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/45th Infantry Division (United States) closed as a promotion. At the time of closure there were two 'oppose' votes where the editors' concerns hadn't been addressed. Could I suggest that you re-open this review? Nick-D (talk) 23:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Sincerely, I've attempted to close all these reviews two days ago, but decided to wait until yesterday especially for this one. It had four supports and one oppose (couldn't count two opposes, I'm not sure where did you find it). The nominator adressed the issues in decent time, but the reviewers did not come back to update their inputs in four days. This would be the reason I decided to close this review as well. --Eurocopter (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd echo Nick's comments. This ACR seems to have been closed a little early and mid discussion. There are issues still outstanding in the article that the editor has yet to address, or is unwilling to, and it only seems fair that these issues are discussed to a conclusion. Although I support the article's promotion, the opposing comments are perfectly valid and I agree with them. I'm also concerned because the editor hasn't yet addressed my own recommendations, nor those of another supporter either. There are 2 opposes - one editor wrote that he echoes the oppose posted before him. Ranger Steve (talk) 17:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you really believe that the article still has important issues to be resolved in order to be an A-class, please feel free to open another review according to these instructions. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
You can't just close that ACR as passed if there are active oppose votes, Eurocopter. Whilst I wasn't officially an oppose (though I should have but I forgot, my fault) I supported the queries about sources. Neither should have been discounted, particularly since I was never asked about my query by Ed! on my talkpage or elsewhere (albeit I actually forgot about the review as I've been busy helping with a wedding) and to simply say that another review should be opened is rather pompous. It should't have been closed with active opposes - imagine if that was done at FAC, particularly when those opposes weren't spurious or inactionable. There's also the fact that Ed! didn't deal with the comments made by his supporters, either, which doesn't point towards an article being ready for A-Class. I'd like to officially request, as another MILHIST Coordinator, that you go back on your closure and open another A-Class Review. Skinny87 (talk) 12:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

←Eurocopter, you may want to bring this up at WT:MHCOORD, especially since the article is the third for an awarded ACM, the issue will come up if the review ends up being closed as not promoted. -MBK004 12:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Very well, just re-opened the review. However, please try to update your inputs in a decent amount of time and be bold when posting them. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 12:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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Hill 262

No problem, looking forward to it (though it'll be after I've finished with Villers Bocage). EyeSerenetalk 09:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

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