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In order to achieve charitable status, Wikimedia UK evidently had to argue that it exercised some editorial control over Wikipedia's content. As our continuing problems with BLPs show, that is not a true statement. Once Wikimedia/Wikipedia's administration gets its house in order, I have no problem with the chapters obtaining charitable status. In the meantime, however, they should not be doing so under false pretenses. Cla68 (talk) 23:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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The File namespace noticeboard has just been approved. Could you have CommonsNotificationBot post its alerts for files that are used on 50 articles or more than 75 pages at Wikipedia talk:File namespace noticeboard (note that it's the talk page) in addition to posting them at VPM? This was part of the idea as it was being developed, and really there isn't much other use for the talk page right now, so it makes sense to give the file workers an additional heads up there. Thanks. Sven ManguardWha?03:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
It's probably the deletion message for an image somewhere, the bot stores the messages as part of the log. Bit tipsy now, so I'll look at it tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up :) --Errant(chat!)21:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I was about to leave you the same message. Would you consider splitting that up into separate log files (by date, or something)? Right now it's browser-crashingly large. 28bytes (talk) 05:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
It's just notifying you that someone else has tagged the image; it looks like an editor is tagging a number of images in this way - probably you need to raise this with them :) --Errant(chat!)19:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
No worries. :) I'd have looked into it myself when I replied, Fastily seems to be tagging a whole load of images ATM, but this weekend has been manic :) --Errant(chat!)23:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello, ErrantX. I hope you are doing well today! I can't understand why I have just received a batch of warning notices, including one sent to the page above, claiming that there is no rationale listed for those articles, when in fact there plainly are rationales on those pages. Could it be because the rationales were not in the form of templates? Could it be because somebody found the rationales lacking in substance? This sort of thing (claiming there is no rationale when there actually is one) has been going on for a long time and is really debilitating and off-putting. I can usually cure the matter by posting the same information within a template, but why should I (or anybody else) have to take the added time to do so? I would really appreciate some light on this. Thank you very much! Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Hiya - the bot just does a notification to let you know someone has tagged it, I didn'yt do any tagging. You probably need to bring it up with whoever is tagging these images. --Errant(chat!)19:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Errant, I apologize for trying to "reasonably respond" in the sock-puppet threads at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales (viewed 750-900x per day); I had thought the discussion would focus, quietly, on possible early warnings for sock accounts, but it seems other editors insist on piling insults 10x higher. Meanwhile, when the thread went quiet, and the insults should have auto-archived after a 1-day pause, I find that Jimbo expects the archive-bot for 2-day intervals, so the rants have remained in view. Fortunately, the top thread is "BLP" to catch new-reader attention, and pageviews have cooled to only 500x per day, but I had no idea Jimbo's talk is viewed 50% higher than "WP:ANI" (which has many other threads to distract readers from particular insults). In the future, I will avoid prolonging such heated discussions in the Jimbo fishbowl, and perhaps if you stay out of that thread, no new insults will be written about you there. Also, for the future, is there some way to notify another uninvolved user/admin to actively redact slurs there, when the talking editors do not remove unfounded insults? I have tried to hat/archive other heated topics, but I was informed that I should not close a thread which I have edited. I mean you see the problem: there is a pattern of multiple, repeated insults there, rather than acknowledging that admins are basically following current policy WP:SOCK, which quickly protects WP from hundreds of vandals who create dozens of accounts to hack numerous articles. Applying WP:SOCK to new-account users is the issue, not trying to villify admins who followed the current rules about stopping multiple acounts for block evasion. I think there is still an open invitation, in the thread, for people to redact their own insults, but it should have been cleaned up within 1 day. Also, Jimbo would have hatted the thread for archive (as he usually stops disputes), but he writes that he is offline in the World Economic Forum event "until Wednesday", so someone else should archive or redact the insults. -Wikid77 (talk) 01:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Heya; don't worry about it! I am staying clear (luckily the next few days are critical at work, so I will be on a break anyway :)), but it wasn't you that sidetracked the discussion. I thought the second thread was much more productive - and in there somewhere there are probably some good ideas to work on. Signal to noise ratio is sometimes a little low on that page :) Perhaps we can revisit the topic again (somewhere else?) in the near future when it is not so closely tied to this one incident. --Errant(chat!)09:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
The uploader of that image User:Rodolph has a long history of image copyright issues/image usage issues on Wikipedia, and has directed many rants in my direction when I have pointed out the problems. The fact that many articles Rodolph de Salis edits are related to his ancestors I believe causes him to take my and others actions as a personal affront.
Is there any chance you could try explaining to Rodolph that:
1. Most of his images would be better uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. This would guard against orphaned images being deleted and the Wikipedia articles could then link to image galleries hosted on Commons.
I'll see what I can do. That image is *just* not quite PD (created/published in 1929, I think). Will take this up with him when I get a moment later. --Errant(chat!)11:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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well this is not media speculation carl hirschmann was indeed convicted in court and then he confirmed himself that he has psychological problems and neurosis etc, re the video reference.
please note hirschmann is Franco Swiss here is the reference. please update.
if your conviction is longer than 3 months you are automatically in a prison cell. Hirschmann will go in prison and no semi prison, any time soon it is only a question of time . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.226.46 (talk) 17:09, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
please update and devellop around this important point for hirschmann: was declared as following a psychoterapie and recognised as suffering from Neurosis...
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Contuing to tag IPs as socks of me contrary to SPI
Will you please do something about User:MarcusBritish's latest contributions, he is tagging me as a sockmaster despite being told the details on the SPI (which is still open?), it is becoming obvious this is being done in bad faith yet nothing is being done about it.
Here are three more IPs he has gone at, none which he has listed here to be subject to SPI.
Replied. He probably needs a good cool down before considering any unblock. But I feel he was, unfortunately, sort of pushed over the edge in this. --Errant(chat!)17:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
baba kirtan singh ji
This photo was taken by me in 1999, in the Lehal village. It belongs to me, as it was captured by my own camera. This photo was taken in Lehal, Punjab, India. {{PD-self}}Mslehal (talk) 07:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately the discussion you opened at [2] seems to be going nowhere, its deteriorated substantially and it looks like the admins and editors won't even touch it with a 10 foot pole, yet again the subject has turned into a trial where it is I who stands accused, its toxic. Sheodred (talk) 14:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
There are still matters relating to your actions the last couple of days that need resolving. Not least another attempt to explain how to avoid escalation of incidents like you did. --Errant(chat!)17:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm not talking about your neutrality but your attitude. Surely that is obvious from every single comment I have made to you the last few days. You've hounded him, posted long ranting screed and taken the piss out of him at every opportunity. Escalation takes two to tango - and you have been one of the two, yet again. For example the SPI; that was either a competence issue (i.e. not understanding what us required if an SPI filing - as exhibited by the lack of any evidence except a hunch :)), bad faith or an attempt to game the system and get him blocked the "easy way". Numerous people have told you to tone it down, apparently to no avail. You talk down to people. And criticism against you seems to be taken as a personal affront (example; after calling Sheodred's proposal "near-racist" on one hand, you then twisted around and accused someone of implying you were a racist. That's a facepalm moment if ever I saw one :) But anyway - I have a busy work day today/tomorrow so someone else will have to sort this out. --Errant(chat!)17:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
In general, don't tag IP's in that way until you run it through SPI. And you need fairly decent behavioural evidence to make the SPI stand up. One reason I rejected the original SPI was that the IP with the October edit had no explanation from you as to why it was him or not... and I could see no obvious connection. I should probably avoid AN/I; this is probably a good idea (I regularly do so when the effort of trying to keep sane and reasoned gets too much :)). Please, I don't want to discourage you :) just suggest a slightly better approach. -Errant(chat!)15:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Yep, thats exactly right :-). Someone tagged it for deletion, so it gives you a notification wherever it is used; just to give a heads up. Fastily then deleted the image. I notice from the history it was tagged as having no license (of I read it right you uploaded it like that). Instead of giving editor assistance to sort out that issue it seems it has been deleted :s there may be a reason. Possibly ask the deleting admin; he is usually happy to take a second look. Otherwise I'll take a look when I fire my PC up later. --Errant(chat!)07:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Ignoring the below, for the moment... Yes, I saw that comment. Did it worry me? Not very much. I;'ve had worse (not on wiki; elsewhere). This has perhaps hardened me to abuse. Actually, Ithink it is worth listening to what he has to say. He may not be right, but it is always worth considering. I was !voted in as an admin here, which gives me technical tools. It also, for some fucking stupid historical reason, gives me some sort of authority or seniority. I'm not sure how other admins react to that, but for me I try to live up to that "position" as best I can. Which sometimes means taking abuse. And sometimes means reading my own actions behind that abuse that I need to consider in future. We grow here, as editors. I'm indistinguishable from the guy I was on 2006 when I first edited here. And I am not really much like the guy who came active again in mid-2010. And, really, I am not the person who was voted admin nearly a year ago. As one of the people I most respect in the world said: "in abuse, there is always a hidden criticism". Anyway; I am disgusted in how you have now socked. I've been trying to figure out who the "master" account is for a few days, so really you have shortcut that process. And although I stand by my criticism of Marcus' approach before this, he was dead right with his actions tonight. --Errant(chat!)00:12, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Re: Topic above this
Don't you find it highly suspicious that this TheOneWhoWalks has turned up amid Sheodreds 1-week block. Not only that he hails from Ireland, and Cork (same as Sheodred), per his userboxes, but also the pattern in text:
Sheodred: "Response to MarcusBritish.....here we go again......" — Note excessive use if periods, no space between last period and word. (from AN/I)
TheOneWhoWalks: "Nasty IP insulted you......badly." — Also excessive periods and no space.
TheOneWhoWalks: "Nasty IP insulted you......badly." – Note full stop at end of a heading.
Sheodred: "Your deliberate false accusations of sock puppetry." – Also uses a full stop in headings. From Richard Harvey's talk page.
Also highly suspicious is that the user has only been registered a month, yet pays a great great of attention to my talk page and incriminating me on AN/I again. Funny how he runs to AN/I also, with his tell-tale complaints. And that he posts excessively, the same details on admins pages.
If this isn't enough to prove socking, agenda pushing, attempts to influence admins, and disruptive behaviour, then I know there is a concern. Typing patterns are not that coincidental.
Yep; that was a good call. And a well presented SPI case (compared *cough* to the last). I'm glad to see you back - following the IP's criticism I was a bit worried you wouldn't bother getting on board :) I'm actually trying to give you constructive criticism based on crap I learned. To be honest, I've done a useless job of it. (I do stand by my previous criticism though). FWIW there is a long term sock master involved here, but I can't figure out who - the BI topic area is one I usually avoid because it is, frankly, idiotic. So it has taken quite a lot of catching up - and so far I have only managed to exclude possiblities rather than find leads. If you have thoughts/ideas let me know :) It's a clear breach of the IB, of course. Bans and blocks extend to *people* not just accounts. But TBH that is the least of his worries. I'd have indeff'd him for this.. but will leave it to the blocking admin. -Errant(chat!)00:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm a bit lost there. BI/IB I assume refers to the British-Irish (vice versa) issues, all over, not just Troubes related, but general nationality disputes? So you're suggesting there is a sock master somewhere with a number of accounts pushing an Irish POV? Or did I totally read that wrong? (Although this discussion springs to mind.)
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Hi, hoped you had a great holiday by the way. Anyway I reported that thread because if a thread is made only to provoke by a user who is upset that he got blocked then it is in my opinion vandalism. But if you are of another opinion then thats fine, but make no mistake I feel really offended by this users comments and total lack of understanding the concept of Wikipedia. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Well; vandalism is very specifically things intended solely to damage Wikipedia. Anything done in good faith, even disruptive things, are not vandalism. I think that although that user misunderstands how sourcing and collaboration works you should probably have taken a light approach to the situation - i.e. by explaining how the process works. I suspect that with a bit of encouragement he could have made a good case on the talk page for removing that piece of information (especially as the source didn't support it very well). Remember when we all started out this process was alien to us :) --Errant(chat!)11:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Well the user wasnt exactly in the mood of having a discussion from the start:) And I wasnt the one who blocked the user in the first place I simply reported what I was witnessing;). And no matter what the user still didnt have the right to offend me as it has done a number of times now. Anyway I will simply not respond to the strawman arguments of the user at the discussion board and ignore the user;). Have a nice day!.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
I used the talk page. And gave a specific edit summary. You just clicked undo repeatedly, called me a vandal, a sockpuppet, and then altered my comments on my own page. You don't have a right not to be "offended". You also don't have the right, to do all of the above without consequences. Twafotfs (talk) 13:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
