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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article LinkNYC you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Esquivalience -- Esquivalience (talk) 23:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
After your removal of citations from the introduction at Fake news website
This is why I was extremely wary of your removal of all of the citations from the introduction at Fake news website at [1].
And please see the recent edits by Crossswords where he's tagging literally everything now in the introduction section with "citation needed" tags, directly against WP:CITELEAD.
Maybe it is better to avoid conflict and just add all those citations back into the introduction section again ?
I agree with you on principle, but disagree on this particular article. As we can see from the talk page, every single thing in the article is "contentious" due to influx of complainants from Trolls from Olgino. So best way to solve that problem is to keep the cites. Sagecandor (talk) 18:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
This is not an optimal situation, but I don't see any policy saying "No citations are allowed in the lead except for in XXX situation." Let's leave the citations there if that's the case. epicgenius (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but the problem is the Trolls from Olgino don't know about those policies and they just come in and tag everything. Also there are a couple of direct quotations in the intro that should definitely keep the cites as quotes. Sagecandor (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
ECP requires editors to stick around for 30 days with 500 good edits before editing the article. This may decrease the number of trolls, as I'm sure some may not like to stay for long. On the other hand, trolling can go on for years, so I see your point. It's worth asking anyway. epicgenius (talk) 19:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Let's just wait to see what happens after the temporary semi expires because it was the first time the page was ever protected before. Sagecandor (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
"The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none. The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article."
Since I see that you are also involved on the "Fake news website" page (which is quite rightly considered biased by most of those commenting), you might consider doing your work there, where it would be more useful. Incidentally, I'm not really cross with you, you did not delete references on DAPL protest, which is what I thought you had done when I first looked at it. I corrected the minor mistakes you introduced and note that you corrected one mistake I'd made (forgot a hyphen in high-profile). Thanks for that. Now, why don't you bring your LEADCITE zeal over to Fake news website, which is an article that really needs balancing attention (as the talk page attests).
I don't know about this. Does the lead of the NoDAPL article need citations, either? It seems everything in that article's lead is also repeated, with references, in the body. Also, the only person who seems to object to this so far is SashiRolls (as Sagecandor simply brought this objection to my attention, per the above.) epicgenius (talk) 01:15, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Concerns with a couple hopefully good natured copy editors
Epicgenius, I've got concerns with a couple (hopefully good natured) copy editors.
At first, the first user came by and instead of copy editing, simply reverted to an older version of the article claiming all my copy edits were bad.
I happen to be a native English speaker with many years of school and much coursework over the years in writing, composition, copy editing, etc.
But that's neither here nor there, the main crux of the problem is: (1) wholesale reverting instead of discussing, (2) refusal to use the article talk page and ignoring my requests to do so, (3) enlisting friends to perform same reverts and same behavior of ignoring requests to use the talk page.
Friend shows up and makes same revert -- this time wholesale revert including reverting not just my copy editing but all of my additions of new content as well [7].
I've asked both the first user and the enlisted new friend 2nd user to come to the article talk page to discuss.
Epicgenius, this edit -- did that undo all my copy edits? Just curious? Because I think it may have. For example, now the first sentence starts out: "Fake news websites are websites ..." Note the phrasing "websites are websites". Is that not redundant? Sagecandor (talk) 02:31, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Epicgenius, you wrote: "One Sweden newspaper", that seems like awkward wording, perhaps that was a mistake? It looks like the intro section is getting more verbose with extra wording. I was trying to copy edit and cut down on the wording and make it a bit more succinct. Can we please discuss? Sagecandor (talk) 02:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
@Sagecandor: Thanks for your comments. First off, next time, could you post all of these comments in a single post? It looks like a threaded discussion otherwise. Second, I'll have a look at it later, when I have time. (And quickly - no, not all your copy edits were undone - only some of them were reworded.) epicgenius (talk) 02:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Okay but which ones? Can you comment to "websites are websites" and why that is not redundant in the first sentence, please? Sagecandor (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Fake news websites are websites... is technically correct. Though it may seem redundant, we are confirming that fake news websites aren't something else. We may have to reword that, though. How about Fake news websites are sites...? epicgenius (talk) 05:23, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Hey man, thanks for the response! Yeah, how about this, I wikilinked the first instance of the word websites, so the reader knows what a "website" is. Better? Sagecandor (talk) 05:25, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I'd think that, but then again, the West is mostly associated with capitalist government. A bit biased against Western government, but I'd tend to agree with the edit's general premise (though "democratic" is more specific). epicgenius (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Mackensen doesn't know why you made an exemption for that nycsubway.org reference. Could you please check out the Good Article review? Thanks.
Hi Epicgenius, hope you're doing well. Are we nearly there? Being that the end of the year is rapidly approaching, what do you think of posting whatever you've got done in stub format now, and then expanding and improving upon it as time goes along? Best, Castncoot (talk) 20:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I think it looks terrific as a "stub template". I'm not sure why you couldn't post it as is and continue making it a work in progress. Obviously I wouldn't want it not to be in your comfort zone to post yet, perhaps you're trying to refine it a bit more before posting. But IMHO, I don't think we should delay this much longer, given that the end of the year is right around the corner. Best, Castncoot (talk) 20:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
That would be a great idea. I'm just thinking in fact that you could emulate your deep topic experience with the New York metropolitan area transit issues into a model for this. Maybe each different article in the project could represent a different "stop" on a diagrammed "subway line", lol! Best, Castncoot (talk) 22:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi there Epicgenius. I was hanging out at WDW today, trying to see if I could capture a picture of the elusive 7 buses that we don't have a picture of (spoiler alert, I haven't found them). In my quest, I found 3 buses that, according to the table you so kindly created, do not exist (such as bus number 5199). I was wondering if you wouldn't mind adding them to the table, because I do not know the specs on them. I took pictures of their barcodes, which I posted to Flickr and not Commons to try to help you. Thanks, Elisfkc (talk) 23:11, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Update, I found one of the missing articulated buses, in a poorly lit corner of the TTC. I'll upload the images to Commons soon. Elisfkc (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
@Elisfkc: That list is out of date, as it doesn't include the articulated buses introduced in 2016. I'll look for these fleet numbers and update the list accordingly. Thank you, epicgenius (talk) 02:11, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for converting the bulleted list into prose. I had been intending to do that, but I have had school work to do. Also, thank you once again for your work on articles related to SAS, as well as the South Ferry article. We should nominated to be a GA. It is great working with you. Will you go to SAS on opening day? I am.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613: You're welcome on both counts. I think that, for the South Ferry article, once we find sources for the section about the BMT station, it can be nominated for GA status. (Also, unfortunately for me, I have a lot of schoolwork due on January 1, so I can't go, but I will check it out on January 3.) epicgenius (talk) 21:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree in terms of what needs to be done on that page. This is something I have always wanted to ask you. How do you have the time to make so many edits on wikipedia AND still have time to do schoolwork?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
There was a Washington Post article that mentioned me a while back. Long story short, I don't really edit during school time anymore. I only do it during breaks or after doing all my work. epicgenius (talk) 21:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
OK. So you edited during school. I am glad that you don't do that anymore. I thought that I was obsessed! I have told other people at school about my knowledge of the subway system. In one instance, a girl who uses the Grand Avenue–Newtown station asked me when it opened. I responded saying, December 31, 1936. She didn't believe me. Next day in school, she said I was right. Of course she checked wikipedia. More recently someone in my English class asked me when the Parsons Boulevard station on the F opened. I said April 24, 1937. The person next to her thought I made that up. The person checked wikipedia and found that I was right. I love wikipedia as it is an easy way for people to get information. It is not always reliable, but with hard work and effort, that can be changed. People are impressed when they find out that I have added to and created articles on wikipedia. There is something else I wanted to ask you. How did you get interested in the subway system? Are you as crazy enough as me to remember every little detail? I am sorry if I am bombarding you with information. Happy holidays and I need to get to bed! Have a great evening. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 03:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
So, (1) I am very interested in math and computer programming, and marginally about politics, language, and odd/unusual things. I like infrastructure in general (energy and water in addition to transportation), and the NYC Bus/Subway system is an interest of mine since I live in NYC. (2) I don't have the exact dates of the stations memorized like you do. That's impressive. Sometimes, I don't even know the correct year that the lines opened, not that many people care (they ask me more about. I originally thought the entire Flushing Line opened in 1915 when, really, it was only the Queens section that opened in that time.Also, interesting story (which is true, by the way): a friend of mine is friends with a famous singer whose songs were on Billboard Hot 100 a couple years ago, and told them that I edited Wikipedia. The singer thought that was really cool and asked my friend to ask me to change their wiki page. (I did... but I didn't vandalize it. I did a few grammatical corrections. Now that article is a little better. )Anyway, happy holidays to you too. epicgenius (talk) 04:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Epicgenius. I am trying to split off some of the content from the History of the New York City Subway article. This, I thought, would be a good start. I have added some information. If possible, could you help by adding references, and improving the content to make it its own article. Once it is completed, the content should be summarized in the history article. Hopefully, then, we will able to do this for other timeframes. Then we could have an article on the more recent history of the subway system, and then we can split off some information from the New York City Subway article. Please tell me what you think. Thank you again.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 03:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I have added a lot more information about the 1970s plans and construction to that article. I think that the content should be arranged differently. Could you possible help with this? Thanks. After Phase 1 opens, we should try to get this to become a featured article.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:33, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree that the content could be arranged a little differently. I lumped the historic construction efforts into one section, current phases in another section, and the technical specs of the line (route, stations, designation) in a third section. It is an improvement over the original article layout four years ago, which was organized as follows:
"Background" (basically a summary, which has been expanded into the "Initial efforts" section)
"History" (now the "Initial efforts" section)
"Current development" (now the "Planning" portion of the current "2000s–present: Construction and development" section)
"Construction methods" (now a subsection of "2000s–present: Construction and development")
"Planned SAS route/stations and designation" (now the "Service" section)
"Construction status" (now part of the "2000s–present: Construction and development" section)
I organized it in the current format to combine the current-day construction effort sections. What are your suggestions for reorganization?In addition, it will have a hard time becoming a featured article (although I want it to be a featured article). When two of the articles that I helped make into GA's—7 Subway Extension and One World Trade Center (twice)—were nominated for FA, they were rejected because they were still under construction or under development. The One WTC article won't become a FA anytime soon because the circumstances of the tower are constantly changing. So, I think we should wait a while before nominating this for FA. epicgenius (talk) 17:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I just don't know how to organize the large section on the 1970s. I mentioned that the line would be quieter than other subway lines, for instance, but I don't know what information to group it with.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
@Alansohn: Thanks for the notice. I've left them a message on their talk page. I think they might have a point because locales in places like Jackson Heights, Queens are more often referred to as being in "Jackson Heights, NY" than in "Queens, NY". However, they are still incorrect because Queens does not have towns. epicgenius (talk) 18:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
New Q timetable out
I don't know how to update NYCS const to update the date for the Q timetable. [16] By the way, they made a stupid mistake. The SAS stations are not listed as accessible.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
I fixed it. Also, I saw that error. Some NYCT Forums user jokingly suggested that maybe the elevators aren't done yet. If that was true, maybe we'd have these stations open three years ago... epicgenius (talk) 02:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I know. I actually added it to nine {{NYCS ...}} templates but I had to remove it because there was no consensus on adding the W to these pages. epicgenius (talk) 00:16, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Can you update this map?
Hi, epicgenius. The map for the Q train File:NYCS_map_Q.svg needs to be updated. When you have a chance, could you do this? Also, could you update the N train one. Thanks and some more stuff about SAS is available on the MTA website.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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