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User talk:EchetusXe/Archive 2009
Howland's U-21 capsThe Irish FA bio page, such as it is, does say 3 caps, but that's also what it said when accessed in January 2008. He's played one game since then, but whoever changed the article to 4 didn't bother adding a source for the 4th, which I've now done and added a hidden note. Though this says "half a dozen" caps... If the Irish FA kept all their webpages up-to-date and accurate, it'd help, but then the English FA with all their money don't either :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Football infoboxesHi, have expanded a few of the stubs you created and noticed that you're putting names into the full name field which I'm assuming you don't know if it's their full name or not. If you know it for certain, then put it in with a reference if possible), but if not leave it out. Also you might want to have a look at some of the changes I made for future stubs. Always happy to expand stubs, particularly those where the players are now non-league as where they went after their league careers is interesting for me (even if not for soccerbase below the conference). WikiGull (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I've edited the article as you appear to have confused him with his son, Raich Carter. Robert was never an international, although the Spartacus article was rather poorly written. Incidentally, all my reference books refer to him as "Bob" rather than "Robert". When I have more time, I will expand the article and probably move it to Bob Carter (footballer born 1881). Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Port Vale graphsEchetusXe, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. It isn't difficult to make these graphs; just a bit fiddly... I use Open Office to make my graphs (much better graphing/drawing package than Excel) but you can certainly do it in Excel. The secret is to create a combination Line-Column graph. In Excel you click on the chart button then scroll down the list of Custom Types . The number of teams in the league each year are rendered in a grey column (with boarder = 0, spacing = 0) and the actual club performance is a line graph placed on top of these columns. I have an example in excel that I can send you by email - ping me on payo2000@gmail.com and I'll send it to you.--Payo (talk) 08:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Happy Birthday!
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Re: John Green (footballer)It is the same person. He's listed here, with his previous club listed as Blackpool. - Dudesleeper / Talk 23:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
BNP/NF election resultsThe pages British National Front election results and British National Party election results were deleted last summer. As someone who contributed to one or both of those pages, I thought you might be interested in supporting their recreation. The grounds for deletion were that they were unreferenced (correct, but easily put right); they were unencyclopaedic (??? - no reasons given) and that they violated BLP policy (ridiculous, but which, by implication, means that any page that names an election candidate should be deleted). The deletion debate is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British National Party election results. No contributors to the pages were consulted. I asked the admin who deleted the pages to reconsider, but he refused. I have belatedly requested a Deletion Review (see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 February 1) to which you may wish to contribute. I eventually managed to obtain copies of the deleted articles and have now referenced the entire content. You can see them at User:Emeraude/British National Front election results and User:Emeraude/British National Front election results. Emeraude (talk) 11:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
BNP results - againThanks for your comments in the debate to overturn the BNP election results page. I recreated it and now find it has been nominated, on extremely spurious ground, for deletion again!! You might want to contribute at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British National Party election results (2nd nomination). Emeraude (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Alan LambHi, no the Alan Lamb who came to us on loan from Forest 20 years ago is a different one to the one you are referring to. I'll sort out the link on the Hereford player list later. Thanks Bigmike (talk) 16:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
New articlesProbably no-one's told you that there's a page to list newly-created football articles by date of creation, here at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Category:Dead peopleThat's fine, did not know that tip...Thanks!--Latouffedisco (talk) 16:51, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting that vandalism - I'd missed it in my reverts. - Pointillist (talk) 14:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the speedy deletion notice- you're welcome to create an article at that title, but there's no reason to delete the redirect- just edit the redirect page and add your article. Your may want to make use of the template {{for}} so that users looking for the article the page originally redirected to can still find their way to it. J Milburn (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Port Vale players and barnstar
Jack SykesThanks for spotting the typo, comes of leaving a three-day gap between copy-pasting the article structure and finishing off the details. Peter Shearer, by the way, not Alan :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 23:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, sorry to bother you. I see that you have been creating articles on Port Vale players. I came across Alf Wood when I was looking up info to create an article on Charles Robson, who was one of Southampton's early managers. (See Charles Robson#Southampton St Mary's Football Club for the relevant content.) As it seems that Wood played 65 games for Burslem Port Vale, are you planning to create an article about him. If so, I'll add the Robson info when you've done it. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
How spooky is that! I'll add some details about his later career over the weekend. As there are at least 4 other Alf Woods who played football, I may move the article to include his year of birth in the title. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 13:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Sportfreunde Stuttgart1874/1974: Thanks, what a silly mistake! EA210269 (talk) 01:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC) John NashHi, the usual way to order disambiguation pages is to list them by expected use from the page, not alphabetically. What was your intent with John Nash? It would be useful if you put in edit summaries. (John User:Jwy talk) 19:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
George HannahI just wanted to check that George Hannah (footballer born 1914) was George Lamb Hannah? The other footballer, George Hannah (footballer born 1928) has a middle name starting with L and a redirect for George Lamb Hannah redirected to him. Peanut4 (talk) 23:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Ernest PerryHello again! I notice you created Ernest Perry (footballer) and added that he played for Bradford City. There is no player called Ernest Perry who ever played a first team game for Bradford City and suspected he may have played for Bradford Park Avenue instead. Can you clarify? Peanut4 (talk) 19:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I've found that he always lists the teams in chronological order but he may have mixed them up this time.--EchetusXe (talk) 21:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Excellent!--EchetusXe (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC) Ron FlowersHmm. Does seem coincidental, but I can't find anything to back it up. this suggests there is another Pro in Ron's family, but not a John it seems. slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 21:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Arthur MorelandJust to let you know that Geoffrey Moreland is your Arthur Moreland, if you have anything to add or want to create any redirects. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
The only Davies my reference has playing for Blackpool around that time is an S. Davies. He played three consecutive league matches and one FA Cup match in the club's 1912–13 season, all in the number 11 shirt. Either it isn't the same player, or he had a nickname beginning with the letter "S". Do you have access to any other sources? - Dudesleeper / Talk 13:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
James Baker (footballer born 1911)Hi, I believe your source might be confusing the Port Vale player of this name with the Wolves player also named James Edward Baker (though known as Jack) and has concluded they are one and the same. The Wolves player however, was born in 1904 in Wales and never played for any of the other clubs mentioned in your article. This is the only James Edward Baker that Wolves' records list as having played for the club; however, I suppose it's possible he may have been on the books there but never featured in the first team, however sharing the exact same name and playing era (pretty much; 1926-41) makes me suspicious. Wolvesweb (talk) 12:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as he's in the category Category:People from Longton, Staffordshire, I wouldn't have thought he'd need to be in the parent category Category:People from Stoke-on-Trent as well? Re the above note about James Edward Bakers. Joyce's book (Joyce, Michael (2004). Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939. Nottingham: SoccerData (Tony Brown). ISBN 978-1-899468-67-6.) has "your" one, known as Jim Baker, at Wolves in the 1930/31 season, but never playing for the first team, by which time the Wolves one, Jimmy Baker, had left for Cov. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out my cock-up! --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, are the stats in his infobox for his time at Cardiff as I have have him playing four times for us but between 25-27 not 27-28. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 15:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Harry AstonHi, anything to add on this ex-Vale player? Wolvesweb (talk) 12:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
Order of articlesBasically, no. Anything that'll stop me getting too bored with the process on any given day. The other day I got so bored it forced me into working on 1931 FA Cup Final, which was a good thing, because I shouldn't have neglected it. Started off working down by appearances, but kept coming to players who deserved a better article than the cut'n'paste basic, so there's a dozen or so hanging around half done waiting for inspiration. Then went on to all players on a random page number in Matthews' book. Or players beginning with M. Or player no # in my redlinks list. Or whatever. hope that helps :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
William NewtonI think they are different people. My sum total of my information about the City Newton is that his full name is William Alfred Andrew Newton and he was born in Romiley. After a handful of wartime appearances he made two League appearances at the start of 1919–20. Oldelpaso (talk) 13:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I've filled in the infobox, but as he never played for my lot's first team, I've nothing else to add. Joyce's book gives birth year 1911, but your birthdate is consistent with the register entry, as is Bestwood Village. According to the instructions at category:Living people, people over 90 with no death information can go in Category:Possibly living people, but I don't know if {{Lifetime}} caters for that. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
You may well have something to add to or correct in the above. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Claude BarrettThanks for bringing this article to my attention, I've expanded it using some of my books. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Guest playersOf the ones marked as Birmingham:
Also, Hong Soo is better known as Frank Soo. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 22:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Happen to remember removing [[Category:Blackpool F.C. players]] from any articles in the last couple of days? There are currently 573 players in the category, but 574 linked players in List of Blackpool F.C. players. It's (relatively) easy to keep tabs on additions of the category to articles; not so when it's removed. There's a chance the category is behind in updating, but I don't think that's the case this time. - Dudesleeper / Talk 16:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Eric Jones (footballer)I'm quite sure this is the same guy. Managers from Belgium often go to the Netherlands. That would mean Eric Norman Jones and Eric Norbert Jones are one and the same.--Latouffedisco (talk) 08:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting my mistake - that's what comes of cut & pasting! Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi - sorry to lay this on you, but you're the main man here for Port Vale. Do you fancy creating a list of players who played for both Vale and their arch-rivals? There is a list at the Stoke website. You could follow the format I used for my local rivalry. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
No record of them playing for Stoke: Eli Adams, Lee Ashcroft, William Bradbury (footballer), Bill Cope (footballer) No record of them playing for Vale: Frank Baker, Albert Boardman, David Brodie, Jackie Brown, Ted Evans, Tommy Greaves, Harry Mellor, Bert Miller, Ian Moores (does a trial with no appearances really count?), Harry Sellars (player-coach at Vale), Sam Spencer, Cyril Watkin, Ronnie Wilcox, Davide Xausa (trial with Vale before one appearance for Stoke) Would appreciate any help!--EchetusXe (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC) I have looked up the first four on www.allfootballers.com:
I have edited the Bradbury article to reflect this. As for the others:
I hope this is of some help. That's one way to spend an hour on a Sunday morning! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi again. I have added what I can find to the red-linked players. Cheers. -Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Dennis IsherwoodI vaguely wondered whether they might be father and son. Although the dates are compatible, it seems unlikely that the son would have been born and brought up in Brierley Hill while the father was kicking round Cheshire/North Staffs. And my books don't mention the younger Isherwood having a footballing father, and they do tend to mention family members where such exist. There's also a Harold Isherwood, of an age to be the father of the older Dennis, though again he probably isn't. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
'93 play-off finalThanks for creating that article, it was in the back of my mind to start it but I never got round to it. There'll be no gloating from me about getting out of the third tier (nor about beating Vale, whom I don't mind too much, unlike your local rivals), though it was good that we took over 40,000 fans that day. I've made a few edits and will add the Albion team line-up soon and whatever else I can find out. Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 10:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Stoke up/on TrentFair enough, thanks... so why is category:People from Stoke-on-Trent divided according to towns within the greater conurbation Hanley, Fenton, etc except for Stoke? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Jack MaddockCame across this parish magazine, if you scroll down to page 20 there's a piece about Jack Maddock, written by his son so not desperately neutral, but thought you might be interested. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
which I moved to John James (English footballer born 1948). Happened to notice in the article his full name was John Brian James, but in the infobox was John Brian Jones, and there's also a redirect from John Brian Jones. Dunno which one's the typo, but one of them must be... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi - between us, we are gradually getting this article up to scratch. I'm rather busy at the moment and will be away over the weekend. You might care to try to incorporate some of the content on his Leeds profile at [2] into the article. There is rather a large discrepancy in the transfer fee from Gillingham to Coventry - £75k per the article but only £18.5k per the website. Perhaps we should ask ChrisTheDude for his comments/input? All the best - the way things are going Saints & Port Vale may be playing each other in 2010-11 - Ouch! Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 11:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, ESPN and The Sentinel say £75,000. I'll ask anyway. Thanks for your work.--EchetusXe (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
LeesSurprised your book omits DS79, he was there nearly two seasons, though I wouldn't expect Neil Brown to include all the brief stays with foreign and/or non-league clubs. My Matthews book has Newport/Altrincham/Morning Star HK/DS79/Stafford Rangers between Blues & Scunny, but no mention of Cape Town City
Updated him, verifiability, not truth, and all that. 1984 is desperately unconvincing: a trial for Blackpool and playing for Stafford Rangers and Altrincham between getting a stuffing in the Eredivisie on 12 May and signing for Scunny in September... My book puts Stafford in the 82/83 season, but after DS'79; which is impossible unless he came home in the winter break and played for them then. Does Kent give date or season for Stafford? Struway2 (talk) 14:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, You might want to note that BLP applies just as much to talk pages as it does to articles. Comments like this are a bad idea. Considering that I've had to speak to the police today about an individual who took offence to material I added to Wikipedia, I think it's a good idea that other people be careful about posting off-the-cuff opinions as well. Just a heads-up. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Luke ProsserI believe "Crosser" is Luke Prosser; it seems The Press have misspelled his name. I seem to remember reading a report of the match on a fan website that stated his correct name, but I can't seem to find it. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
MoranMoran played six games early on in the 1990/91 season, and then not at all for nearly six months, until mid-March 91, when he made sub appearances in three consecutive games, which were his last first-team games for the club. Mackay left in January 91, Macari joined in February. It depends whether what Moran says about never playing in the first team again is literally true, or whether he meant the manager concerned never played him in the first team again. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, memoriesNigel, the lesser-known Southall, was a hell of a player. I remember his trickery down the wing as if it were yesterday. Thanks for the reminder. ;-) - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
BarnstarYou're very kind... and thanks again for proofreading them for me :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC) ThanksThanks for keeping me on my toes - you realise, of course, that I leave a deliberate mistake in every new article, to see if anyone reads my wonderful prose ;-) --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
CuhWish I'd thought of it sooner. You might consider doing the same for Vale, if you don't already. Beats wasting time looking through an existing list. - Dudesleeper / Talk 09:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Sonner
hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I don't normally bother to try to promote articles that I have created as they should speak for themselves, but I see that North Road (stadium) is a candidate for promotion to Featured Article. Can you have a look at the Antelope Ground (a far more comprehensive article) and let me know what you think; my modesty won't let me rate it higher than "C" class. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
HorsfieldThanks for expanding the personal life
Jack MandleyHi Its great to see John Mandley here on Wikipedia! Thanks a lot for putting this info up. All the best John (John Mandley’s grandson) —Preceding unsigned comment added by M42orion (talk • contribs) 23:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
Hey, mind checking your Port Vale book and confirming that he did play for Blackpool? As I wrote on the subject's talk page, he's omitted in Michael Joyce's book... - Dudesleeper / Talk 16:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, I saw this player listed as a former Wolves player. Wolves records detail a "George Bowen" having played for us before transferring to Burslem Port Vale in Summer 1904, which suggests this is the same player. It could be possible there was a Jack also on our books who didn't appear in the first team, and that there was a George who moved to Vale but didn't appear for their first team I guess. What do you think? Do you have - know of anyone having - a copy of the pre-WW2 Football League Players' Records book that could establish whether both a Jack and George have played in the FL? Wolvesweb (talk) 12:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, the info provided by Joyce fits the biography info I have. I'll alter the article accordingly. Wolvesweb (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC) Howland's U21 capsHere's another. As to the fourth (or, I think, first), it's an interesting question. NIFG say 2 starts and 2 sub apps from 2007-2008, but I thought he came on in one of these two, which were in 2006. Unfortunately the Irish FA are typically unforthcoming on the details. I'll keep looking. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This club's name keeps coming up in articles about Port Vale and Stoke players from the 1890s, many of whom also played for Southampton. I am thinking of creating a (stub) article about the club. Do you know where their "ground" was? It's taken me ages to locate where Dresden is on the map - it appears to be at the junction of the A5035 (Belgrave Road) and the B5038 (Trentham Road). Is that right? I've only been to Stoke once (to visit Trentham Park) so my knowledge of the area is non-existent. If you think that you might be able to add anything to the article, please let me know. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I've now created the article - I'm sure you'll add/edit what you can. I've also created the Dresden, Staffordshire article, another stub. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Danny Edwards (footballer)Thanks for the heads up, Vale's website confirms it, I have tagged it for speedy deletion. Cheers, GiantSnowman 11:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
History of StokeHi, some months ago you said it was a shame that no one had written an article on the history of Stoke (O-T not U-T). Well I've started one and I'd value your opinion on it. It's about two-thirds finished and what's left is probably the most difficult bit :) i.e. the final successful proposal for federation and the wrangle about You can find it here. Please leave any comments on the talk page there. One thing I'm not sure about is a title, you can see what I'm using at the moment but it doesn't seem a bit long winded but then I'm not convinced that the History of S-O-T is specific enough. NtheP (talk) 22:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the Barnstar - much appreciated. NtheP (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC) List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league goalsI've created the article here, feel free to add the Port Vale (and other!) players. Cheers, GiantSnowman 17:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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