This is an archive of past discussions with User:Drewcifer3000. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
Recently, you opposed Dave Gahan discography questioning use of discogs.com as a reliable source. BUT, the Nine Inch Nails discography nominated by you, passed the WP:FLC even though there were a couple of instances where discogs.com was used as a source, plus you listed it as a general reference, as well. There is another example where discogs.com was used as a source, yet you supported (Feeder discography). So, my question is, in your opinion, "Is discogs.com a reliable source?" --Crzycheetah00:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
The backlog at Good Article Nominations has recently exploded to 236 unreviewed articles! Out of 264 total nominations, 17 are on hold, 10 are under review, and one is seeking a second opinion. Please go to WP:GAN and review an article or three as soon as you have a chance!
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Reviewer of the Month
Dihydrogen Monoxide is the GAN Reviewer of the Month of December, based on the assessments made by Epbr123 of the number and thoroughness of the reviews made by individual reviewers each week. Dihydrogen Monoxide hails from Brisbane (which, incidentally, is almost a GA, kids ;)) and has been editing Wikipedia since August 2006. He mostly likes to review articles relating to music, Australia, or anything else that takes his fancy! He also has two articles waiting, and notes that there's still a huge backlog,... so get cracking!
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GAReview Template
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GA Sweeps
After openly requesting the community for more participants into the Sweeps, we have 3 more members on the board. They are (in no particular order) Canadian Paul, VanTucky, and Masem. Canadian Paul will be sweeping "Middle East and the World" articles. VanTucky will be sweeping "Religion, mysticism, and mythology" and "Literature" articles. Masem will be sweeping "Television episodes". We're still looking for more reviewers. Interested individuals should contact OhanaUnited for details.
At this moment, participation in the sweeps project is by invitation only, as we desire experienced reviewers who have a thorough and extensive knowledge of the criteria. This is to ensure that articles that have "fallen through the cracks" would be found and removed, and that additional articles don't fall through the cracks during the sweep.
Currently, there are 16 members working on the project, and we have reviewed 74 articles in December 2007. Of those that are swept, 275 articles are kept as GA, 126 articles are delisted, and 5 promoted to FA.
Did You Know,...
... that the total number of good and featured articles is now over 5000?
... that GA was formed on October 11, 2005 and was formerly called "Half-decent articles"?
... that many discussions were made over the years on whether GA should have a symbol placed on the main article space, yet at the end always removed?
... that there was a proposal to change the GA symbol to a green featured star?
From the Editors
Happy New Year, everyone! I'm just filling in for Dr. Cash as he's busy (or away) in real life. This explains why I wasn't prepared for a full-length article on GA process, and instead I resort to a tiny DYK for GA.
OhanaUnited
Happy New Year as well! I'm still here, and haven't totally disappeared. I had to cut back on editing and reviewing during the month of December as I made the transition from Flagstaff, Arizona to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But I should be about settled in the Keystone State, so I'll be contributing more to Wikipedia again in the new year. Thanks to OhanaUnited for putting together much of the content for this newsletter! He's been working hard with the Sweeps, and the 'Did You Know' section is also a great idea, so I think that will become a regular feature now! I also figured out how to have a collapsible newsletter, so that will change our delivery options a bit. Cheers!
I did everything you stated on the Godsmack discography FLC. Than you for reviewing by the way. Nice job on Nine Inch Nails and surrounding articles, I just read them a couple of days ago. Could you comment in a couple places for me please? Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Alice in Chains and Wikipedia:Peer review/Chevelle. Thank you,
I have addressed each of your concerns either by making some changes or responding on the talk page (or both). Please have another look in hopes we can get this passed. Thanks. Otto4711 (talk) 19:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
In the last month, you have created a new WP:FL. From what I can tell, you are a veteran and have produced others in the past. Congratulations! You may be aware of WP:LOTD and have probably heard from me in prior months. We are experimenting with selecting Lists of the Day so similar to the current WP:TFA and WP:POTD features that run on the main page. I am invite those who have created new FLs in the last month to participate.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your assessment of the Nader Shah article. User:Folantin and I, among other editors, have made efforts to address your suggestions and improve the article. I have renominated the article.--Agha Nader (talk) 01:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Drecifer,
While I appreciate your work on the Ian Svenonius page, I actually am Ian Svenonius and I really don't want my personal information on wikipedia.
Not only that but I don't like the allmusic guide's write up of Nation of Ulysses. I thought my initial edit of NOU and my whole page several months ago was interesting, well written and fun to read. Of course that's all subjective but please take down this stuff about my high school and family. I have never talked about that stuff in my interviews and don't see why it should be on wikipedia.
Thanks,
Ooooooooops!
Dear Drewcifer,
I appreciate it alot! Thanks.
Thanks for communicating too.
Take care,
IFS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooooooooops! (talk • contribs) 01:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand. BTW, are you sure you want to retract the FAC nomination? It may be a huge detraction, but I don't think it would be entirely unreasonable for the article to still pass. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 14:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, I'm sorry that my Year Zero copyedit has been delayed so long - I've been swamped with real life things, particularly schoolwork. It should be up later today. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 14:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
GA on hold
I have revised Laozi. Please let me know if there are further issues that need to be addressed. Suggestions for improvement regardless of GA pass/fail would be appreciated. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 20:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your time and your kind words of advise regarding the article. I have corrected as much as I possibly can. Can you check it out/help to improve it. Thanks. Universal Hero (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the swift reply.
I thought it might fail a GA if didn't have actual screenshots of the film. What should I do?
Life is Beautiful is simply the tagline of the film.
On second thots, I think it would be better how it is now, as it is a film soundtrack, whilst, the Beatles album was a music album. Cheers, praying for that GA. Universal Hero (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for finding a much better image of Lee to accompany the article. It's far better than the crappy one I took a few years ago. :-) Nightscream (talk) 21:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for GAR comments regarding this. If the main problem is a structure prone to being interpreted as a "set em up and knock em down", may I propose that we invert the order of the critical and supporting views. Please check this private fork = Opus Dei controversy section where I propose a new ordering. I hope this satisfies all parties. :) Kindly comment on this. Thanks. Marax (talk) 08:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Coheed and Cambria
I've renominated the Coheed and Cambria Wiki for a good article. On the talk page it said to let you know and you'd check it out. I fixed the links to the Coheed and Cambria Myspace, but couldn't find different links for the Shabutie material. The band was not popular at all, but is still an important part of the Coheed story. Anyways, please check it out. Thanks. Sunshine748 (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
NIN section names
Hey I found the the way the sub-sections of the History section are set forth awkward. Firstly, they are named after the album, followed by a main article tag and then, the first mention of the album in the paragraph is in bold. Is it necessary to have 3 headers in quick succession? Why not remove the main article tag and bolds and just link the first mention of the album instead? indopug (talk) 05:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it's a pretty logical way of ordering the article, since NIN's history is pretty much defined by each release. But, I'm not the only editor of the article, so feel free to bring it up on the talk page. Drewcifer (talk) 15:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Barnstar of High Culture
The Barnstar of High Culture
For all of your outstanding contributions to music articles, especially those relating to the world of Year Zero, you deserve this and more. Keep up the great work. -- Reaper X17:13, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There are now 3,485 Good Articles listed at WP:GA.
The backlog at Good Article Nominations is 206 unreviewed articles. Out of 251 total nominations, 37 are on hold, 7 are under review, and 1 is seeking a second opinion. Please go to WP:GAN and review an article or three as soon as you have a chance!
The top five categories with the largest backlogs are: Sports and recreation (57 articles), Theatre film and drama (34 articles), Music (19 articles), Transport (17 articles), Politics and government (16 articles), World history (13 articles), and Meteorology and atmospheric sciences (13 articles).
If every participant of WikiProject Good Articles could review just one article in the next week, the backlog would be almost eliminated!
GA Sweeps Update
During January, 57 Good Articles were reviewed. Including those articles that were under GAR or on hold, 35 were kept as GA, 20 delisted, 9 currently on hold or at GAR, and 3 were exempted as they are now Featured Articles.
Reviewer of the Month
Ealdgyth is the GAN Reviewer of the Month for January, based on the assessments made by Epbr123 on the number and thoroughness of the reviews made by individual reviewers each week. Ealdgyth, known in real life as Victoria Short, hails from Central Illinois, and has been editing Wikipedia since May 26, 2007. In this short time, she has made significant contributions to 9 Good Articles, including Baldwin of Exeter and Hubert Walter. Her interests in editing are in the areas of the Middle Ages, History, and horses. Outside of Wikipedia, she is starting her own photography business, and owns three horses. She likes to read science fiction, history, and geneology books. Congratulations to our GAN Reviewer of the Month for January!
Other outstanding reviewers recognized during the month of January include:
This WikiProject, and the Good Article program as a whole, would not be where it is today without each and every one of its members! Thank you to all!
On Hold versus Failing an Article
This month, I thought I'd focus on a less technical and more of a procedural issue at WP:GAN – determining what the appropriate course of action to take when reviewing an article. Currently, there are four options to decide what to do with an article:
Failing it – it does not meet the criteria; remove the article's listing from WP:GAN and add {{ArticleHistory}} or {{failedGA}} to the article's talk page.
On Hold – The article meets most of the criteria, but might fall short in a few areas; keep it listed at WP:GAN, add #: {{GAOnHold|ArticleName}} ~~~~ below the listing and add {{GAonhold}} to the article's talk page.
Second Opinion – Similar to the on hold option, except an editor is either inexperienced or not knowledgeable enough about a given topic and asks another reviewer to offer another opinion before passing or failing; add #: {{GA2ndopinion|ArticleName}} ~~~~ to WP:GAN below the article's listing and add {{GA2ndoptalk}} to the article's talk page.
So how to you know when an article fails outright, or fails initially, but meets "enough" of the criteria to be placed on hold? The answer to this question probably varies by about the same amount as there are reviewers of Good Articles! Everybody treats this slightly differently. The most important thing to consider is that articles should not be on hold for longer than about one week. Although there is no hard and fast time limit for this, most editors would probably agree that five to seven days is enough time to address any GA-related issues with the article to get it to pass. Some editors have extended this a few days in the past, due to other extenuating circumstances, such as an article's primary editor being very busy with school or work, so they have asked for extra time. But as a general rule, a GA nominee that is placed on hold should meet enough of the criteria to be able to be passed within five to seven days. Some examples of articles that might be placed on hold would be:
the article is mostly complete, but might be missing one topic (subcategory).
minor copyediting is required (needs a few minor manual of style, spelling, or grammatical fixes.
mostly well sourced, but missing maybe a handful of references.
a couple of images need to be tagged with appropriate copyright tags.
On the other hand, an article should be failed if it:
is missing several topic categories, or there are several sections which are very short (1-3 sentences per section).
contains numerous sections which are just lists of information, as opposed to written out as prose.
there's entire sections of text that have no references, or there are a lot of {{cn}} or {{unreferenced}} tags.
has evidence of an active edit war in the article history.
has any {{cleanup}} or other warning tags in various places.
Did You Know...
... that on July 19, 2007, 1,548 good articles that have not been categorized at all were categorized in 15 days?
... that in Chinese Wikipedia, articles need to have at least six net support votes before they are promoted to GA?
... that the English Wikipedia has the most Good Articles, the German Wikipedia has the second most (at over 2000), followed by the Spanish Wikipedia (at over 800), the Chinese Wikipedia (at over 400), and the French Wikipedia (at over 200)?
... that Simple English Wikipedia has zero Good Articles?
... that "Sport and games people" category has the most Good Articles?
... that Virginia Tech massacre (which is now a featured article) was promoted to GA just only about one month after the shooting incident, but took more than seven months to reach FA status?
From the Editors
Originally, I wasn't planning to do "Did you know" other than as a fill-in for Dr. Cash. However, I decided to continue writing this section until I ran out of ideas.
OhanaUnited
Please leave any comments or feedback regarding this issue here.
I thought I should let you know that I've recently made some major additions to the article; for transparency's sake, I think I should make any supporters of the nominations aware. Here is the diff, and here is the nomination. Thanks! Seegoon (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Drewcifer3000, I was about to fail The Carpenters discography based on your strong oppose, but then I noticed that your concerns were taken care of. Could you take a second look and make necessary comments on the nom. page. Thanks, Crzycheetah22:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey Drewcifer, I've reviewed the two FLC's you have open at the moment. I'm new to reviewing filmographies so forgive me if I go over old ground! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick one. I'm viewing those pages in ie7 and the widths of the columns definitely don't appear the same. I've got safari and firefox on my mac so 'ok check there too. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if you would be willing to take a look at the article and provide further comments on how it should be improved. Also, there has been an ongoing dispute on the article's table layout, particularly in the albums section, as you can probably tell from the talk page. So, I was wondering if you would be willing to provide a third opinion on the matter and hopefully, let the dispute end. Many thanks. σмgнgσмg(talk)10:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The tables have been reverted back into its original form. I request you take a look at the article again. But, I believe the changes will not occur again without further discussion. Cheers. σмgнgσмg(talk)04:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, User:I7114080 was unhappy with the recent changes made with article had expressed his opinion on this page. I would like for you to read his concerns and voice your opinion. Since there is still some dispute over what the article should look like, do you reckon I should cancel the WP:FLC nomination and work with him together before re-nominating? Or should I get other users and have a concensus? Please help. Cheers. σмgнgσмg(talk)02:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I've come by. I just don't like the format that Omghgomg have edited. So I list some different formats here. Please share your opinions. I think that is the last approach I can use to solve the problem.Langdon (talk) 00:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)i7114080
Depeche Mode discography (Featured List candidate)
The reason why one isn't sortable is because it gets messy when it becomes sortable. Perhaps you could help me? Also, I don't know how to adjust the width and all. I'm not used to programming the tables. Sorry. — Cuyler91093 - Соитяівцтіоиѕ02:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, I added the section. Thanks heaps for your comments; I'll take them on board in going towards FAC. I'll deal with the rest of the GA stuff now. Thanks, dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 08:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey Drewcifer, I just noticed the BAFTA website may be down. Any ideas? I was just doing a standard check on your links for Vittorio's article and got stuck waiting for the page to load up.... Worth keeping an eye on the situation. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
National Ignition Facility
I have put the article on hold while issues are being fixed. They are fairly minor, and am sure by the end of the day, one more GA will be added to your list on your user page. :)
Λua∫Wise(Operibus anteire)17:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Your Request
Hey. No problem I can help you out. Just email me the request in english and i will be glad to translate it for you. You can email me to :camilosanchez2@hotmail.com.Camilo Sanchez (talk) 18:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Spanish Translation
How could I possibly turn down a request from a NIN fan?!? I'd be happy to do it, just send me the text at :frank@terribleman.com. and I'll get it back to you soon as. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Terribleman (talk • contribs) 22:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I am really sorry! I have made a mistake at identifying the user responsible for its nomination...One thing for sure though, you not be hearing about this subject anymore unless you want to. :)
Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Nine Inch Nails live performances you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Xavexgoem (talk) 08:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
All done. Not much left to address; still think visual elements could be balanced a bit (mosh pits, yadayada), but it's a niggling detail in my mind. Xavexgoem (talk) 22:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
