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Chris(topher) Loofer

Nice work. If you find any more, they'll be created by a sockpuppet. NawlinWiki blocked SuperLoofer for vandalism - that one started this nonsense. I've blocked Khalifa Alansari as a sock of that account. Same stuff. I had just warned him to stop when I found NawlinWiki's block on the other account. All the 'references' were totally irrelevant, by the way. (You probably noticed that...) A hoax tag would appear to be the thing if, as I expect, the blighter person returns. Peridon (talk) 01:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

All I did was look at the articles that linked to Christopher Loofer. Kinda by definition, all of them deserved to be deleted. Glad to know it was appreciated! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Luis Beethoven Galvez

FYI: WP:REFUND#Luis Beethoven Galvez and User talk:Smoofest#Luis Beethoven Galvez. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I've commented at the latter, and it appears that you and I agree completely on the quality of the article's original content. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 23:47, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Welcoming

Thank you for your message.

If i need help, you can be sure i'll ask you, because i'm en-1 and understand very bad english. I'm sure there are faults in my message. ^^

I'm coming here to learn english. In my preferences, i specified english for language. I don't want to read french on WP-en.

I have 5800 contributions on WP-fr, i think i don't need review.

Thank you, good bye ! --Orikrin1998 (talk) 09:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh i just saw your second message where you say i made a mistake. On WP-fr, you can delete the text of an article when it is vandalism or promotion...Can't we take that there ? Thanks. --Orikrin1998 (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
On en-wp, {{blank}}ing a page is almost always considered to be a type of vandalism. I just wanted to let you know that things are different here. I've updated the message I left on your talk page to be more precise about the issue.

Welcome to en-wp, and happy editing! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Record charts

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 Not done Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

T.O.P (Tweens of Pop)

You've tagged this as CSD A9 (a recording)... it is however an article about a band. I was just about to tag it as an implausible redirect before you jumped on it.  -- WikHead (talk) 03:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, fixed that… it should have been a {{db-band}} (as I'm sure you guessed). I didn't want to tag it as a redirect, partly because the article creator did actually put some content into the page, and partly because I've had admins tell me that all redirects are good redirects—even ones going to pages that don't mention the topic at hand . Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Resolved. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Kudpung. I had doubts about CSD A7 as well, as it appeared that it may have had two or more members with articles. Whether they were indeed the same people is still a matter of question. The good thing is that it's been cleaned up, and that's all that really matters. Stay well... both of you !  -- WikHead (talk) 03:16, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
All's well that ends well, so Thank you both! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter

Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).

The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.

I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I keep hitting reload, but nothing's different! . I'm looking forward to seeing the changes. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Not done. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

about the images

Thank you Dori… I don’t know how I did that, I am new in this… I should take more care Iskander HFC (talk) 05:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This was in reference to User talk:Iskander HFC#Reverted images. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Eric Daman Page Submission (and deletion)

Hi Dori

I see you have nominated my article for speedy deletion for a second time, despite my considerable effort to follow the guidelines for creation and submission. Wondering how, with 50 or so sources listed, including a front page New York Times article, there would be a decision to nix the article based on a lack of sources cited. Can you please answer that for me and let me know what you need me to adjust in order to meet with approval?

Best,
Brian Lee Boyce
username: ericdamanstyle
page: Eric Daman

Ericdamanstyle (talk) 16:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me where I nominated anything for a second speedy deletion? I've looked at:
Nothing on your talk page says anything about other CSD nominations, from me or anyone else.
I admit it: I'm stumped. Can you tell me what you're referring to? Diffs would be useful. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Madrona Manor

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Smiley You're welcome! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Zaptap

Hello DoriSmith. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Zaptap to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 04:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I say {{db-a7}} and {{db-g11}}; you say This company doesn't seem to pass WP:CORP, and the article is promotional in tone. Can't say as I really see the difference, but all's well that ends well. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

whats the problem?

im tryna make a page for a musician and u did a speedy delete? i was trying to fix it up aswell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dopeman1995 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Which of the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO do you believe that English frank meets? So far as I can tell, it's zero—which means no article. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 06:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Message

Why was the welcome message for User:Balintcms signed off by User:DoriSmith? I don't see why you need to be following me and changing radically the pages that I am editing. Is it any of your business? Here in england people are slightly more polite!

Balintcms (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Huh.

Must be some new-fangled definition, as I thought welcoming someone new to Wikipedia was considered polite.

BTW, it's perfectly okay for you to remove messages from your talk page, but that's considered to mean that you've read and understood them. Please pay attention to the advice you've been given and stop trying to add information that is clearly against Wikipedia policies. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 22:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

2011 in film

Thanks for the message. Definitely a whoops and thanks for catching it. :) Kind regards, Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Smiley You're welcome! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

New Pages newsletter

Hey all :)

A couple of new things.

First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.

On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:39, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Dogmersfield Primary School

Er???

Under witch of the categories listed in wikipedia's list of vandalism section is adding more relevant and informative information about something that a person knows reliable and ditaled information to a legitamete page they created does the Dogmersfield Primary School page fit in to?

As far as i can see removing it is vandalism. Making you a vandal!

Balintcms (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Doing something once isn't necessarily vandalism. If you're told that what you're doing is against policy, and then you do it again, it's almost definitely vandalism.

If you've been told multiple times by multiple editors that adding unsourced information against policy is unwelcome, but you continue to do so anyway, it's absolutely vandalism—which is why I gave you a vandalism warning.

Please stop trying to re-add that information; you've been told what policies you're breaking and you'll just continue to get further warnings. Enough of those and you're very likely to get blocked. Understood? Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

No i have not been told exact policies. i have been directed to a page that lists many things witch i have read thoroughly and i cannot find anything that i have broken. Also it was not 'unsourced' ( warrenting the creation of the page under the Wikipedia: Notability section) as, had you checked, you would have found it contains multiple sources referenced on the latest version i added.
Here are the references i added:
<ref"| BBC News - Dogmersfield Primary School"/>
this is the BBC. it is the British Broadcasting Corporation, an independent news agency. If you believe that it's information is not clear then i would suggest that you read up on it.
<ref"| Dogmersfield Hants School Information Website"/>
and this is the Hampshire county council website dilates of the school in question. This is the local authority that is in charge of the area. There is no more reliable or unbiased information that it.
I did not think that i would have to explain such elementary things such as this to an established co author such as your self. Surely you must have had to do similar research as this when writing a book. However i am happy to for as long as it is necessary if it means that a thorough and impartial decision is made using sound decisions that are not fueled by wanting to win. This may not be your special area of expertises as, i am sure you are aware, there are different systems for many factors in our different countries.
Also, i believe that you are not yet an administrator of the Wikipedia association and so do not have the power to block.
Anyway the threat, however empty it may be, is an unwarranted threat clearly meant to intimidate. This is not acceptable on Wikipedia.
I request that you specify witch section of the vandalism act that is lain out that you believe i have broken and then you yourself question weather it has indeed been warranted. Of you answer those questions with satisfactory answers then i will accept your premise.


Balintcms (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Both of those are primary sources, and as such, are insufficient to show sufficient notability of any kind for the school. I have (and I'm not the only one) pointed out Wikipedia:Notability (schools) , but just for the record,

For elementary/primary and middle schools, reliable secondary sources are usually too limited for notability. An exception is made for schools having a specific, notable distinction or status (e.g., the Blue Ribbon Schools Program in the U.S. and Beacon School, Training school, or 'Grade 1' outstanding Office for Standards in Education overall assessment in the UK).

If you can find "reliable secondary sources" showing notability, then great. Otherwise, making the page a redirect is the consensus of many editors.

I believe I've already answered all your questions at least once (and some of them more), and I don't feel like doing it again. As for the rest of your bluster, feel free to try to peddle it elsewhere; I'm not taking lessons on Wikipedia from someone who's been here less than a week. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 23:31, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear Dori Smith, i find your previous comment deeply offensive and unacceptable. There was no need for that comment.
No-thank you and good bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balintcms (talk • contribs) 08:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Asaness

Hello DoriSmith. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Asaness to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. Guerillero | My Talk 05:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Metropolismania help me please :(

howdy I see you were helping me with my first articles i have been working on i have some expereince editing articles but this is the first time i have used an account as you can the game art i uploaded for the pages at wikimedia commons is being contested for speedy deletion if you could help me with finding appropriate licensing so that we may use the images i would be greatly appreciative :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatCouldaBeen (talk • contribs) 09:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons doesn't allow fair use images, but English Wikipedia does. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 09:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


ohhhhh that makes sense i thought that sound a 'tad british... — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhatCouldaBeen (talk • contribs) 09:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Dark Days (2013 film)

Dark Days (2013 film) has been PRODed by me, but the originator keeps removing the tag without comment or improvement. He has created several articles related to himself and his movie which have already been deleted. Please continue to monitor this. May have to go to AfD. Ng.j (talk) 06:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm okay with taking it to AFD if/when the creator removes the most recent PROD. 03:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
…and now it's there: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Days (2013 film). Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 19:11, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion nomination of Paige Clark

Hi. I don't know if you are aware, but I had declined an A7 CSD on the article just before you tagged it again. The reason that I declined it is the article makes a claim of notability in that it claims that Clark is or was Miss Maryland. I feel that this is enough to defeat an A7, and that if the article should be deleted, it would be better to go through an AfD discussion. Rather than declining the CSD, I felt is was better to discuss it with you here and to make a similar comment on the article's talk page. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 01:13, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've added my thoughts at Talk:Paige Clark. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Message added 02:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

GregJackP Boomer! 02:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hiya!

Yeah... I kind of figured that it'll more than likely get removed for one reason or another, but I figured that I'd go ahead and try. It's pretty spammy. Anywho, I put my two cents into the AfD discussion. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Re-open the AfD?

Yet again, the speedy has been overturned and the page restored. The previous AfD was closed because it'd been speedied, yet it was recreated again. Do you want to re-nominate it again for AfD? I don't know if we can just re-open the previous AfD.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I reopened the AfD based on the reversal of the G11 at deletion review. GregJackP Boomer! 12:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Zuhairmehdi comment and my RfA

At my RfA, you commented that this user "unsurprisingly, he hasn't been back since". Judging by the user's contributions, the only other time he was active was a year ago and he also blanked all of his user pages. This may be a case of a user returning every year or so, not that I scared them away. Considering that all their edits were to their user space, it is extremely likely that the user wasn't interested to edit Wikipedia significantly but rather to start an autobiography and socialise. Additionally, I never finished answering your question (#6) because, frankly, I was extremely tired and stressed with the RfA and wished not to continue. At your oppose comment, you added that I "don't even know what content disputes are", I believe you could've rephrased this sentence. I refrain from commenting at content disputes because the subjects are almost always what I'm not an expert with. Lastly, you mentioned my "few to no edits at UAA, AN, ANI, and AIV". With AIV and ANI, I wouldn't edit because nearly all of the entries required admin attention. With UAA, I would comment but another case of entries requiring admin attention. How is my question to question #8 worthless? I admitted that although I'm not a large content builder, I believed I could contribute to other areas. There have been several cases of users starting at areas they weren't participants with. I simply wanted to express my concerns, SwisterTwister talk 02:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

No comment. Really (I think it says quite enough without me piling on). Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

New editor

Hi Doris. I see you have had extensive experience within the community. I came across your name and was wondering if you could guide me to the right area. I am new to the editing side of Wikipedia and would like to get my feet wet with some projects in music (Rock and Roll). Can you provide me insight on some do's and don'ts for when I contribute to editing pages? Do you recommend any key people I that I should first get buy-in from if I want to start my own WikiProject one day (assuming a project does not already exist)? Thanks! Thunderstruck67 (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Basically: dive in! Read entries until you find something that annoys you, and then fix it—you'll get the hang of things pretty quickly. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Not done. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Tape, I-C-E, and Sound Advice

I am trying to enter this info on a book being released in Sept. Obviously I am having difficulty meeting criteria, and guess I will just stop trying to enter here. I have read the guidelines, and am thoroughly confused on the process. Thanks for your help.

Rodwalters2 (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

If the book isn't out yet, it's definitely insufficiently notable. Wait until the book is out and has received a half-dozen or so reviews in major media outlets, and then try again. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Done Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 05:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Not done. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference

I'm sorry to report that there were not enough accounts available for you to have one. I have you on our list though and if more become available we will notify you promptly.

We're continually working to bring resources like Credo to Wikipedia editors, and this will very hopefully not be your last opportunity to sign up for one. If you haven't already, please check out WP:HighBeam and WP:Questia, where accounts are still available. Cheers, Ocaasi 19:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

kenneth vanwright

Hi Dori I am new to this so please guide me. I am doing an article on kenneth vanwright who has just donated an amazing animated series to the community I live in.

They cover topics like gun violence, teen suicide among others. We would like to share these with others but unfortunately some "community leaders" won't acknowledge anything unless they reference it elsewhere which is why I am using Wikipedia

The links I am using to BMI are not dead, after I post the references I check them and they go directly to his BMI account showing he is a published songwriter and it gives you a search link to his songs.

If I am doing something wrong please advise me and point me how to correct it

I really want the troubled youths in this community to have the opportunity to view and hopefully learn from his work

Thanks

Cheryl Themechanic5590 (talk) 02:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Even if that link worked for others (which it doesn't), it wouldn't be sufficient to show notability. What you need are verifiable and reliable independent third party sources with significant coverage — do any exist? If so, please add them. If not, the article is likely to be deleted. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Little Face Mitt

Regrettably, I cannot bring myself to CSD the thing. It does assert significance. Take it to WP:AFD if you think it's deletable. God save us from the partisan bickering of US politics. Dlohcierekim 02:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Someone else took it to AFD before I could. I suspect it'll end up as a snow deletion—which is fine by me. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
It may become a circus. Political agenda may be at work. Hope not. Dlohcierekim 04:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I contested your speedy deletion to MaryAnn Harris

Hi Dori, I just wanted to tell you that, though the article would easily pass an AFD, since there was some content and references, albeit all from the same website, there was sufficient content to pass that criterion. Also, and this is secondary, it was a tee bit bitey to tag it for CSD as the user created the account earlier tonight. I understand that in some cases that an article from a newbie needs to be CSDd if that's a word, but this one I felt had enough content to at least make it a notability discussion on an AFD. Thanks and have a nice day. Go Phightins! (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Discussion moved to Talk:MaryAnn Harris.
Note: while User:Go Phightins! may think he contested the CSD, all he did was comment on the talk page. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
That is contesting the SD. Anyway, I have replaced the speedy tag with a {mergeto|Charles De Lint}. The Harris article meets the A7 requirements, but I think it would be more useful to cull some of the information there (such as her being De Lint's first editor) and merge it into his article. LadyofShalott 01:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Note I posted on the talk page, I apologize for my poor word choice (it was one of those things where in my head I knew what I meant but it didn't translate to my wording), I meant it would easily be deleted through an AFD or PROD but didn't to me quite meet the A7 requirements. Go Phightins! (talk) 01:28, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Redirecting works for me, so I'll go boldly do that. It appears that everything that's in her article already exists in his. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
No problem by me, again sorry about the wording error, it's just been one of those days. Go Phightins! (talk) 01:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Okey dokey. LadyofShalott 01:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

thanks

hi, thanks so much for your help! but not sure about the notability issue as this has been an entry since 2007, this person has been in a number of commercial campaigns for Maybelline,ect...been interviewed in some well known publications for her music like Vanity Fair, will find the citations.

Greatpumkin (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

This was in response to my edit to Kemp Muhl. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Not done. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Talking Turkey

I took your copyvio out, but deleted as spam anyway. It was a Wikia site, and so far as I could see not an exception to the Wikia CC-BY-SA licensing. (Ghastly sounding thing, but that's not a CSD reason..) Peridon (talk) 19:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

It's a copyvio because credit is required, but no credit was given. But all's well now that it's deleted. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 19:15, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Not done. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

New editor

Need your help - don't understand your edit. Hello Dori, I see that you edited a page I created called Media Introduction Event by redirecting it to another page called Media event. I"m a brand new user and unsure of what that means. Is this just a temporary redirection to something with similar words until the formatting is changed? And, if so, what formatting needs to be changed? And, where can I find my article to make changes? Forgive me but I"m very unfamiliar with this process and am learning. Thanks so much for your input. AlysonDutchAlysonDutch (talk) 23:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey Alyson. I posted an explanation on your personal Talk page on this. I would be happy to help out over there and coach you through some of your first edits. I've written a lot of the public relations article. User:King4057 00:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Alyson, I've also posted over on your talk page. User:King4057, thanks for helping out with this one! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I noticed you were a tech journalist. I did tech PR in Silicon Valley, but we never met or anything. User:King4057 01:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Troy Townsin WP:CSD#A7

declined speedy. clearly asserts significance. Dlohcierekim 00:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me what the significance is? I just re-read the article, and I still don't see it. Having written books and articles doesn't count, as author articles get CSD'd all the time for insignificance. The CD review doesn't count, as he was a producer, not the artist. Honestly, I'm not trying to be argumentative; I just don't see it (which is why I nom'd it in the first place). TIA, Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 00:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I know what you mean. The problem is the difference between significance and notability. There are reams on notability. You probably are familiar with them. Significance is a lower standard than notability. Generally, someone with 3rd party coverage has a claim on notability, and it would take an WP:AFD to determine whether they are or are not notable. Significance has been the subject of discussion now and then. Perhaps starting a thread on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion will tell us what the current level is. CSD should only be used for the most clear cut cases. I've banged my head against this myself, but it's reserved for text like, my garage band is really cool. Or this business exists and is truly wonderful. The subject graduated college and this reads like a resume. The subject is a great poet but you can't find anything about her anywhere other than her social networking sites. Cases where no one would doubt the subject is unencyclopedic. Basically, if there is any doubt about significance but the subject clearly does not have notability, WP:PROD is the way to go. Hope this helps. Dlohcierekim 01:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I understand the difference (which is why I never mentioned "notability"); rather, I was hoping more for an example of claimed significance in this particular article. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
being a published author w/ a number of books should do it? Thee are WP:RS supporting the article. That can be siginifacnt Dlohcierekim 01:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I've seen published authors (or at least articles on authors who claimed to be published) get CSD'd frequently (as I mentioned above). Anyhow, I've taken it to PROD as you suggested. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Just reread your orignal post above. Eyes are jumpng agan) Perhaps there has been a sea change while i was away. I'm gonna ask. Dlohcierekim 01:24, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I've asked user:DGG, whom I consider the most knowledgeable admin I know and post to WT:CSD. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 01:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Might be worth noting that I've come across a few additional reasons for deletion, which I'm keeping track of at Talk:Troy Townsin. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


Consistent current practice (and in fact, practice for at least the last 3 or 4 years) is that an assertion that someone has published a book is an indication of plausible significance, except when the book is self-published. (the publisher whitecap in this case is a genuine publisher) There is no way an admin can judge reliably from the face of the article without considerable further checking whether the book is important enough to make the author notable--this is similar to the reason why books can't be speedied under A7. The rationale for speedy A7 is that no reasonable person who understands the purpose of WP would possibly think the subject significant. This would hold even if there were just a single book; it certainly holds when there are multiple books. Dori, the standard on this is very clear--it has been raised at WT:CSD many times--check the archives. Raise it there if you like, but this is one of the things that has already been discussed exhaustively and repeatedly. If there have been other such cases csd'd as A7, please let me know, for if that is the only applicable criterion, I shall undelete them on the assumption they are accidental errors.
I also removed the prod. What is necessary for notability as an author is reviews, and they need to be looked for & this really should be done before afd: (if there are multiple significant reviews, it would certainly meet the criteria for CREATIVE & there's no reason to afd; if you can say there are none after a good search, the article will be deleted all the sooner) ), I don't think it's right to judge just by the face of the article.
As for the recordings, which only need to be considered if there's no notability as an author, your comment about his just being the producer of the the recordings is disputable: he was the producer, but also the author of much of the content. That is exactly the sort of thing which needs community input. DGG ( talk ) 01:48, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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You are welcome. You are not the first editor to question my understanding for declining an author speedy. Will see what the WT:CSD produces. Consensus on these matter changes over time. And I need to be brought up to speed on any changes while I was away. Dlohcierekim 01:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, I've now put it up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Troy Townsin, so feel free to add your thoughts there. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)