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User talk:Deeceevoice/Archive 7ReplyNo problem. Except now I'm old and grey/gray. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Please cut down on revertingYou're doing a lot of reverting at Thomas Jefferson. This is counterproductive. Please cut down. Friday (talk) 14:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Have you been following the discussion? There is clearly substantial sentiment that the information should is not only valid, but that it is appropriate and should remain. I wonder if you've considered counseling the editors involved that censorship is not acceptable simply because they object to sourced, cited, factual information about of their sacred cows being included in an article. If you're concerned about "counterproductivity," then perhaps you might consider doing so. deeceevoice 14:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
FYI, I've restored your edits including the criticisms of Jefferson in the "slavery" section. We'll see how long it lasts. User:Welsh4ever76 seems intent on edit-warring any and all critism of TJ into oblivion. deeceevoice 16:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
BikeSo did you buy the bike? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yep. Funny stuff. :) I check eBay for crap I don't need and find it a fairly reliable source of amusement. People are simply hilarious -- most often when they're being dead serious. deeceevoice 00:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Thank youJust wanted to compliment you on some nice work over Controversy over racial characteristics of Ancient Egyptians, and other articles recently. I admire your scholarship and tenacity -- please keep up the good work! Best wishes, — Catherine\talk 06:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Another QuestionDeeceevoice, would you mind if I asked specifically what is POV and unscholarly about this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Controversy_over_racial_characteristics_of_Ancient_Egyptians&oldid=69010038 Also: thanks for answering my other question about your edits.Altarbo 13:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
You wanna help us out here at the Black People article?Sure could use your help. --Zaphnathpaaneah 18:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC) You asked.. where have i been "there"... as in there in the Sphinx article. DeeCeeVoice, being confrontational is fine... but being confrontational as a default way to communicate is not. Here is the answer to your question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Great_Sphinx_of_Giza#ETHNICITY_IS_PART_OF_THE_DESCRIPTION You have offended me. Seriously. --Zaphnathpaaneah 00:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Get over yourself, Zaph. Don't play wounded with me. I'm not the one who made the seriously uptight "temple harlot" crack, which was totally uncalled for. Furthermore, your last edit to that article was well over three months ago, and I dropped a note on your page asking for your input in a straw poll a few days ago. Nada. And then you have the nerve to ask me to come to an article you're working on? Well, I could counter with the same sort of response. If you'll check the edit history of the "Black people" article, you'll certainly find me somewhere. A lot. You? "...offended.... Seriously"? Seriously, my brutha, don't even try it. deeceevoice 00:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Now you're escalating the situation. I am already tied up with the Afrocentric/Eurocentric nuts on the Black People article. You want to throw down fine. I dont know what temple harlot crack you are talking about and whatever it may be is ancient history. Secondly, I stopped editing that article because the root cause of the issue is in the Black People article. While you argue for arguments sake, I am trying to tackle the source of the contention, thereby elimating its effects in other articles. I do not question your presence there, I ask you to participate now, as the article itself has come to a grinding halt. But yes SERIOUSLY and you want to assume you are in charge here, let go. We can insult each other and escalte this all the way to the fucking moon. Try me. Go ahead, pretend you're the default queen of the attitude. I am at my end of bullshit. --Zaphnathpaaneah 00:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC) So I am trying it and accomplishing it. Shall we continue or just let the thing go. Your call. --Zaphnathpaaneah 00:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Your amnesia is so very convenient. Don't play dumb. And what is important to you is the only thing worth editing here, so much so that there's no time to vote a simple yea or nay on another matter. You presume to dictate to me what subject matter is worth my time and attention, my interest? Gotcha. And you are seriously deluded if you think the "root cause of the issue is in the Black People article." The root cause of the problem is the pervasive racism of this website, and it must be countered wherever it presents itself. What you do in Black people will have no effect whatsoever on a cabal of dedicated, racist edit warriors operating elsewhere. Don't kid yourself. deeceevoice 00:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Let me clarify for you. I am so sick and tired of americans, black and white, acting like they are the fucking Gods of the earth. Everything that comes out of someones mouth has to be an ego driven posturing attitude. Now DeeCeeVoice, you come in arguing on a whim. At this point I am unwilling to even begin to tolerate it. You and I both can deface each others pages, insult each other. i will do this all night, I will out do you, I swear to God. ([Deleted abusive language ] deeceevoice 01:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)) --Zaphnathpaaneah 00:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC) And what the hell does my legal citizenship status have to do with anything? I don't know what yours is, and I don't give a flying f***. "... you want to assume you are in charge here...." Hey, I'm not the trying to tell someone else how and where to spend their time because my current project is more important than anyone else's. "You and I can deface each others pages..."? What? "... I will out do you..."? What? And who's on an ego trip here? LMBAO. U betta check yaself. deeceevoice 00:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC) [Deleted abusive post]. deeceevoice 01:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Damn editing conflict. READ THE ARTICLE. My last comment on that article dealt with the ambiguity of the identity. YOU YOURSELF reply later asking me to address the identity in another section. HELLO! I dont care about this temple harlot nonsense, and no one has amnesia. HELLO DEECEEVOICE THINK THINK THINK! We are in an INTERNET FORUM. That means historical postings remain available. I have not denied it. YOu see you continue to argue and fight, and today... You have found yourself in a situation where your entire talk page will be edited until your fingers bleed on your keyboard trying to keep up. No one is dictating anything. YOU CANT SEE A QUESTIONMARK AT THE END OF THE SENTANCE? GOD! The root cause of the problem is obviously the racism on the website, however the LOGICAL SOLUTION IS TO ADDRESS THE SOURCES OF NOUN IDENTITIES. THINK! IF UP is UP and someone calls it DOWN, you must clarify what UP IS! Dont kid YOURSLEF. Using the 1987 afro-defeatist routine is old and tired. I am not here to argue, but you are inciting me and I am not backing down one iota, one single instant. There will be editing conflicts, there will be a lot of text and you will have to revert your talk page throughout the night until you stop distorting my intentions my responses and my comments. I have had enough. --Zaphnathpaaneah 00:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC) How naive can you be? What you do in Black people will have absolutely no bearing on what happens in other articles. The project simply doesn't work that way; it's not a Rube Goldberg device. It's this article and this one and this one and this one, another one and another one over there. "... the sources of noun identities..."? Important, yes, which is why I was involved in the article in the past. But as the key to solving the problem of systemic racism in the articles on Wikipedia? Pardon me if I laugh. And you: "I dont know what temple harlot crack you are talking about...." You: "I dont care about this temple harlot nonsense, and no one has amnesia. HELLO DEECEEVOICE THINK THINK THINK! We are in an INTERNET FORUM. That means historical postings remain available. I have not denied it." Uh, 'scuse me? I put an end to that nonsense when I realized you were too uptight on the subject of Jeezus, religion and sex to engage in a little levity on the subject and squelched the "discussion." But here you come up in my space, actin' a fool and pretending to be so offended because I dared to tell you this is a reciprocal thing and that you have absolutely no say in what is, or is not, a worthwhile enterprise on this website with regard to how I spend my time. The two hardly bear comparison. Just man up and own up to your own words instead of claiming you "don't know" what you said -- and, again, get ovuh urself, blackman. deeceevoice 00:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Oh really? I wil tell you what im uptight about. I am uptight about everyone claiming that the real Jesus was what they say he is, but showing no proof. All of you cant all be right, because none of you agree with each other, but somehow you all use the SAAAME tactics to 'prove' yourselves. Jesus was a white, jesus was from deep within Africa, the Jesus was a femininist< Jesus was a cheuvanist, et cetra. And I am not acting. You are doing your argumentative tactic. You start off saing "dont pretend to be this" and then go on and on as if I am in some secret lie. I dont compare what is a worthwhile enterprise. I asked you to particpate, but obvioulsy you are so ultra arrogant, a mere request you interpret to be some sign of self-centeredness. Hey DeeCeeVoice can you turn the light on? "No brotha, dont tell me what do do, you think you are so important to determine if the room needs light or not, who are you"? That shit is beyond annoying. I didnt tell you what you were doing is not worthwhile, heck I dont know all of what you do on here. Do you undrestand? You make up your idea of what I think of you and what you do and then you argue that idea, has nothing to do with what I think. So you stop pretending that I am saying smoething I am not saying and get real. Saying "get real" and really "Getting Real" are two different things. Look at the reality of whats going on and stop being on auto-smart-ass mode! --Zaphnathpaaneah 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Uh, I don't care what you think about Jeezus. What I insist on, however, is that you come down off your high horse, stop posturing like some injured, foul-mouthed 1970s blackman whose male ego has been offended and speak to me like an intelligent adult. When you're ready to do so, then, as always, I'm here. But until then ... I don't think I have to spell that out. You can't bully me, name-call or insult me into seeing things your way. And I'm a blackwoman. We made you. Ya day-um sure cain't Mau-Mau me. I don't play that s***. :p I'm not some naive, little white girl you can send crying to her room. What? U dun loss ur damn mine? Actin' a fool in public -- and we both in enemy territory?* Like I said b4, check yasself. deeceevoice 01:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
OH but I see you still want to be the big dog, rooot rooot rroooooo. Fine, let us continue. Round Two. You yourself have been banned and censored beyond count. You cannot even start a conversation with people without inciting anger among the listners. You yourself cannot speak as an intelligent adult when you take a question and reinterpret it to be a command. Children do that. You ask a child to do something and they get offended as if you are trying to attack them. That is YOUR bullying tactic. "Dont such and such brotha". You get a taste of your own tongue and you dont like it. Now what? I'm Blackman and guess what I made you first. No one in here is from a lesbian egg-egg union, so get real black woman. We can go all the way back to the protozoa, or the atom, or adam and eve, whichever you prefer. Every child, male AND female has a mother AND a father. And if you dont want me to bully you or insult you, then STOP INSULTING ME! You cant even be original, you say 70s after I said 80s. You caught me on the day hon. You forget, you came to me with attitude first. Oh wait I forget, you re so conceited, that your attitude is a given, its a default, doesent even count does it??? --Zaphnathpaaneah 01:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Okay. Now, this is beyond childish. (I didn't even read the reference to which you refer. I guess it got lost in all the profanity.) An' tell ya what. Next time you see a man pull a man- or woman-child from out his punani, u b sure an' let me know, ya hear? Finally, u shd know "we made you" is just shorthand for "we know where you come from; we raised ur black ass." Day-um.) Go 2 ur room, fool. You wanna show ur ass? Fine. We both know what went down here -- don't we, darlin'? I'm done. deeceevoice 01:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Next time you find a black woman who had a child without a mans sperm you let ME know. You showed your ass a million times. All your doing is telling me that yours is bigger than mine. Go ahead and erase my comment so you can LOOK succsesful. This was beyond childish after your first response. QUESTION MARK is not the same as a COMMAND. You're done? I'm done then. All this over a Question MARK! From now on I refer to you as "the riddler". --Zaphnathpaaneah 01:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Self-contradiction about what you knew and didn't. Self-righteous, foul-mouthed bluster. Crude, abusive language. Name calling. Mischaracterizing my words and my approach. Da-ang. Read to me like sumbahdy need Jeezus! :p deeceevoice 01:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC) I dont care if you are white, black, alien, I dont care if you are Queen Latifah. You come at me with an attitude of disrespect for no reason. You also being a hypocrite show more of your foolishness and this time I am sick of it. You can misspell all the words in the world "yasself, Jeezus" that don't do noTHING. What you can do is choose. You can choose to be a self-righteous self-centered doublestandard jerk or you can actually realize that you initiated this confrontation by over-reacting to something... a lack of seeing my comment for what it obvioulsy was and asserting ... no attempting and failing to assert your ego onto me. Or you can go back to your "cho chu" talking and continue past hour three. I will never stop. I will never end. If you recognize that were both in enemy territory then the smart thing to do is to stand down against me and stop responding to me with your dominatrix mentality everytime we chat with each other. You're triggre happy Deecee, and you expect everyone to avoid the confrontation, you think you can control others. It will not work with me. How much more childish bullshit do you want to see on our pages? I dont care either way. You only egg me on further. --Zaphnathpaaneah 02:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC) You can mischaracterize my comments all you want. My point is the very obvious contradiction. After all, I'm not the one with with Jeezus this and Jeezus that plastered all over my page. I'm not the one claiming to be a Christian -- talkin' high an' stoopin'/crawlin' low. What I see here is an example of the kind of venomous viciousness that comes out when a person is unable to draw a line between passionate argument/logical discourse and ego. IMO, you've been behaving like an ego-driven, venomous, little ... gee, what's that word?!! You know. That word? :p Sorry to disappoint, but the power struggle you perceive is all in your head, seemingly a mere projection of something you're dealing with onto me. And you know precisely what I'm saying. After all, I seriously doubt I'm the first person to tell you such a thing. You're shadowboxing like some punch-drunk prizefighter. And it's a pretty sad sight. Time to put down the gloves and get back to the real world where people can act a fool and defend their fragile egos behind closed doors and no one's the wiser. Me, I've got work to do. Go find something that brings you peace. If you must remain combative, then meander on off and find a better punching bag for your misguided jabs, 'cuz this one punches back, and I cannot and will not be goaded into tearing into a brutha -- and certainly not here. For me, bloodletting is not a spectator sport for the enemy's entertainment. And when I cut, it goes through the bone, past the marrow. Don't let the fact that I'm a woman fool you. I don't play; my blade's a fuckin' atom splitter. deeceevoice 02:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC) Deeceevoice you've lost credibility and respect with me. I no longer take your perspective seriously. Poof, begone! Report me please. I DEMAND YOU TO REPORT ME. DO IT NOW. You hypocrite, you are the LAST to speak these words. And for the provocative factor, you believe that I provoked you? I spoke clearly indicating the obverse is true, but of course, like many other arrogant people, you disregard that and instead assume you are by default "right" in your perspective. When you say things like:
You only agitate more. So you want to suggest that I calm down while threatening me sideways? I double dare you. I insist, I demand. Do your worst DoubleStandardVoice. Take your fake, ego boosting advice with you. --Zaphnathpaaneah 05:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
In fact, Let me report the both of us. Because I don't like chickenshits that use a computer to puff up their ego and expect me to be a willing participant in their egotistical establishment. Obviously you aren't going to fly to Chicago or LA to fuck with me, and I am not going to hunt you down in DC or wherver you think you are. So lets cut to the chase, you can't cut a damn slab of butter with a ginzu. You aren't the commander and you aren't doing anything other than agitating me with your threats that you try to half-ass imply. So let's legally resolve that end of it. I solemnly swear that I have no intention or interest in causing any physical harm to you in any way. Now, on the other end of this, you need to take your own advice and use it for yourself. You certainly want and sadly think you will get the last word (your punch) and your hoping that the whole "insecure black male" routine is going to do that for you. You like to fight men because you feel that proves you are superior in some way, so you seethe for a chance to do so at every turn. FIVE times in the past you have instigated battles with me over DUMB shit. Ok DumbAssVoice let me explain to you why your irritating me. It is not my ego that is bothered. Heck, you're a five out of ten on the richter scale, you'll see my ass on websites, forums, getting more flack than your " How dare you insult the Heavenly Black Female Isis" routine will ever generate. No what irritates me is that you by default, try to dominate discourse with me in ways that are way out of proportion to whatever it is you think has offeneded you. You go on and on about egos and insecurities, as if it's not obvious that those are the very things that are motivating YOU. It's like if I knew you in person you would be that woman that constantly flips her ghetto hand in someone's face if they don't agree to everything you say, or try to laugh in someones face if they make a mistake then tell them not to be so sensitive, telling them to not act like a punk or some BS. Youre the kind of woman that thinks it's equality and takes pride to get into a fist fight with a man, then knowing that the police will arrest the black man and send HIM to jail (not you) because of bias, you get an extra kick out of fucking someone's life up. "oooh look at what i did yall I suckered him into the fight, cuz I knew he would get arrested". Thats what you are trying to do here. Trying to incite me with your threats to violate the policy to such a degree that me, not you, gets banned. After all, you need someone to step on to validate your long Wiki-rap-sheet. So let me out flank you. This conversation has ended. Any and all messages on my talk page by you are deleted and any further communication from you to me on my talk page is automatically blocked (whether it is by automatic means or by me just highlighting and pressing the delete key). I'm sure you have a witty retort ready, but in the end, look at yourself. You've alienated yourself yet again from probably one of the people who was in your corner the most. Bravo big tough girl. Bravo. --Zaphnathpaaneah 05:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Enjoy yourself.. it's a celebration!!!![[1]] I hope the both of us get the absolute worst possible sanctions they can conjure up. And if that does happen, and you don't ever forget about me. Don't ever forget how you kept trying to punk around someone who wasn't even an enemy, all so you can get your ego high. Was it worth it? I hope so. --Zaphnathpaaneah 05:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
As the one finger points to me, the other three point to thee. Your name is now "hypocrite", that's the noun that I use to refer you as forever. --Zaphnathpaaneah 06:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Keep in mind, how devoted you are to getting the last word. There is nothing sincere in you bringing your friend and his suicide into this conversation. You disrespect his life and death by doing so. Nothing is sacred for you, and nothing sincere comes out of your mouth. You are a perspective, not a person, and it is your perspective, your attitude that I address. Whatever issues you think I personally have, my words ring true. You are far motivated by personal desire to look tough and to come across as a master than you are to listen to others and mutually learn from each other. That is YOUR problem. Next time you find yourself struggling to contribute to an article and you have to go it alone... no even worse, watch the black people article deterioriate. Watch the Egyptian articles deteriorate. You and EditingOprah certainly contributed to me leaving Wikipedia for an indefinite period in ways that no white Eurocentricst could. Get your last word, make sure it's worth it. --Zaphnathpaaneah 06:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Tol' yaHmph. Tried tuh pull yo' coat, but u kep' it up -- 'n' ran tuh yo' massuh instead. Now u gon'. deeceevoice 06:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC) This article could use some in-text citations for its claims. Gazpacho 23:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
All the other significant editors on that article appear to be inactive. I have removed all the material that didn't discuss cited uses of the term, and you can see what's left. Gazpacho 18:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I have a question....I was browsing through the discussion history on Afrocentrism and I couldn't help but notice your rant on the Olmecs. What evidence do you have that they were immigrants from Africa? Why couldn't they be simply just full-lipped and broad nosed Indians, due to them being in a tropical wet climate? I will lose all respect for you if you defend the long disproven theoreis of hyperdiffusionists like Ivan van Sertima and Clyde Winters. Get back to me ASAP. Peace. Teth22 02:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
M'kay, sorry for my lack of better wording, but what evidence do you have of Olmecs being immigrants from Africa? That's the central focus of my question. Peace.Teth22 06:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Again, where did I engage in a "rant" of any kind? What about a near rant? What the hell is the problem with people around here? I'm fed up with mischaracterizations of my work. What don't you understand? It's not about what evidence I have or what I personally believe. Nor is it about what you personally believe. Whatever little I may have contributed to the article was probably centered around Van Sertima's work and, if I recall, some disinformation repeatedly inserted by certain editor(s?) regarding the purported lack of epicanthic eyefolds in African people -- which is patently false. They Came Before Columbus involves some interesting theories that deserve to be properly and accurately represented. Period. Peace.deeceevoice 11:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC) Hey Deecevoice, sorry to bother you, but can you forward me a copy of Susan Anton's e-mail (s) to me? My e-mail address is sicilyties@hotmail.com. I need it for the sake of revision of the article, yes I'm working on the article yet again. Peace. Teth22 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC) The e-mails cannot be used in the article; they are considered original research. deeceevoice 05:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC) But could you just send it to me anyways? I remember you saying "you'd be more than happy to forward anyone a copy of Anton's e-mail", I e-mailed Anton several days ago, and she hasn't responed back. Thanks. Peace. Teth22 11:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Certainly. Use the link to the left to e-mail me your addy. deeceevoice 11:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Will that e-mail work for ya. Get back ot me. Peace. Teth22 17:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Please don't post unsourced negative material about living people, according to WP:BLP. Talk pages come up on search engines. Thanks. Tyrenius 01:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC) You gotta be kiddin' me. My, my. Slow day, huh? deeceevoice 01:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Nope. I assure you, no kidding. WP isn't the place to post insults. Not a free speech zone and all that. Posted on AN/I, FYI. Tyrenius 01:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Of course you're not, dear. deeceevoice 07:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC) "African American" and "black" in Minstrel showHey, Deeceevoice. A user who may or may not be trolling is complaining on Talk:Minstrel show that we shouldn't use the term African American to describe people of African descent in America for that article. He argues that they could not own land and were therefore not "Americans". I find that pretty silly reasoning, but it did give me pause re. the correct terminology to use. In your opinion, what term is best for the article vis-a-vis enslaved blacks pre-Civil War, free blacks pre-Civil War, and free blacks post-Civil War? The sources used tend to mix and match "African American" and "black" with no apparant rhyme or reason, and I notice that the blackface article uses both terms. And apologies from this ignorant white guy. :) — BrianSmithson 11:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Nothing wrong with being "ignorant"; we're all ignorant about at least something. (Besides, you seem a hell of a lot more knowledgeable of black subject matter than a lot of white folks on this website. Gee. That's not saying much is it? Well, you know what I mean.) I've responded on the article talk page. I haven't read the article, but I'm sure your work has improved it. Will take a look when I have more time, though. Peace. :) deeceevoice 16:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC) Just saying helloGlad to see you are still putting up a fight.. Hope all is well with you! --Aika 22:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC) Deeceevoice I agree with you!Millions of people believe that South Asians are distant members of African diasporas. I personally don't believe this, but it's a fascinating theory that should be given equal weight in the article. Zaph is trying to marginalize this view, but I feel more comfortable mentioning it in the article because it a provides a coherent theme that links all the grousp being discussed. Editingoprah 02:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Obviously, I don't have a problem with mentioning the African diaspora. That's why when I revisited the article for the first time in several months a few days ago I included the link to African diaspora in my comments on the talk page. It is a relevant, interesting notion -- but one that is not critical to the discussion; it is documentation of the application of the term to the populations in question, but not an explanation/justification. The peoples mentioned have been considered black, or have considered themselves black, before and beyond the postulations of Afrocentrist scholars or pan-Africanist ideologues. They have been considered black historically and referred to as such by explorers, casual observers, their countrymen, by colonizers, etc., and themselves. See my comments and the link provided for one example of such a mainstream application of the word black to a non-African ethnic group -- the Tamils of Sri Lanka. You will recall that you removed a photo of Sri Lankan children, incorrectly and rather uncivilly asserting that its inclusion "undermined" and made "absurd" the statements made in the article. deeceevoice 10:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC) I tried doing what I thought was some pretty basic stuff in African American recently and discovered (I guess I shouldn't be surprised) that I had stepped into a minefield. The first one who came in after me I had no compunctions about just reverting. Anyway, I'd appreciate if you would take a look and see if you disagree with the direction I was trying to take some of this; certainly I value your thoughts in this area enormously. - Jmabel | Talk 23:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
beautyYeah, it's lovely up here -- I wish we could spend more time here, but at the moment we need to be spending about 3/4 of our time in Las Vegas, which has its own charms, but not like this lovely land. I'm slowly realizing that I'm really meant to be a rural rather than an urban person. You can keep an eye on our chunk of paradise here. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 14:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Re:GandhiHi - I'm afraid you are persisting in repeatedly making edits that violate WP:NPOV, WP:POINT, WP:RS and WP:NOT. You are requested to stop and discuss the issue with other editors at Talk:Mahatma Gandhi. If you continue reverting, you may be blocked for disruptive editing. Thanks, Rama's arrow 15:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC) (from article talk page) The charges of racism are well known and completely valid. Don't quote wiki policy to me when you are clearly in violation of it. You oblitered accurate, relevant, adequately sourced information with a completely meaningless and dismissive (uncivil) edit note that in no way justified the edit. You have yet to offer any justification for removing the information. Why is it not relevant? And how is it "nonsense"? Finally, absolutely none of your nice, little links has any relevance whatsoever to the edits I've made. If anything, they apply to your behavior -- and not mine. Unless and until you can justify your deletion of the material, I will continue to insert it. deeceevoice 16:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah! A mere technicality. That's all you had to say, that the Khalitsan website is considered a POV source. Your unhelpful, disrespectful edit note gave no indication of the nature of your objection and -- again -- clearly is a violation of wiki policy. And that business about "disruption" is just bluster -- to use your word -- utter "nonsense." I'll be happy to provide the same information from a NPOV source, then, so you will have no credible objection -- because the historical record is clear: Gandhi was an anti-black bigot. deeceevoice 16:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Racists in Black People discussionDear Deeceevoice, I am the anonymous user you encountered on the "Black People" article. I have the impression that a lot of racists try to infiltrate that page. For instance "Whatdoyou" has quoted a racist wesbiste for some of his explanations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Whatdoyou http://www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/ethiopians.html http://www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/ Others are persistently quoting Michael Levin who is known to be a racist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levin Finally, I truly believe that you Americans (Black&White) are very influenced by the strong racism of you society. And therefore you have a tendency to split the world in white-black-yellow and brown. But the world is much more complicated. And for instance, just because Mexicans might look brown, it doesn't mean that they have anything in common with "Brown" Indians, "Brown" Iraqis or "Brown" Afghans. So you should be very careful not to take the reality of Harlem as the reality of the rest of the world("Put him in FUBU and set him down in Harlem in a Black Panther Party rally, and no one would bat an eye"=> It made me laugh! ;-) ). We still have to do a lot of work to unite Blacks against racism. Greetings and please stay engaged! (another unsigned post)
=> Dear Deeceevoice, I think that "Black conscience" is very important in that topic. Because Prince Bandar is obviously of African Origin. But "Black conscience" is not strong in many Arabic countries, because other cultural things(Religion, Family, etc.) are much more important. Therefore I doubt that Prince Bandar will be considered as a member of the "Black People" Group in Saudi Arabia, as many Saudis probably don't know what that means(For them he is "A Prince"). While in countries where "Black conscience" is important, you will have Blacks from different origins considering themselves to belong to one group(Even Sri Lankans in the Britain, Germany, etc.). (Unsigned post.)
Vandal?Please stop vandalising the black people article. It's finally starting to look good after months of chaos. Your recent edits have been impeding the process. Timelist 06:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks?I am an African American currently residing outside of the States. I just wanted to write and say "Thanks DeeCee", for your work over at the Black Supremacist page. I surfed there by accident. I was shocked to find that Wikipedia has even chosen to include this article. It is far too long in view of the insignificance of so-called "Black Supremacy" when compared to the massive White Supremacist Movement which is once again taking the entire White World by storm. (Are you a Black Supremacist, if you are only trying to survive in a nation that overtly practices and tolerates Racist practices such a lynching or segregation?) Until I read our courageous comments, I was truly daunted by the sheer malevolence that appears to be at work in that article, especially the insidious denigrations of Marcus Garvey. So many considered him to be a hero for addressing Black suffering in the Post Slavery Occident. Yet, that article slanders him viciously, referring to him as an errand boy of the Klu Klux Klan and a friend of White Supremacists. I have not been able to find any truth in any of these statements, so I deleted them. So much of the material there appears to be merely conjectured or anecdotal designed to tell ugly tales about African people in general rather than focus on the purported subject at hand. Yet, on the White Supremacist page, there are no such juicy tidbits to further incite anger and outrage. There are no tales told period, just the bare bones concerning this virulent hate-inspired movement. In fact, much has been left out. The White Supremacist article could have included a number of recent and not so reccent events that would have turned any reader's stomach but the writer keeps it very cut and dry. Not so on the Black Supremaciy page where, the author goes out of his way to assasinate the character of any Black person who remotely expresses any racial pride or hope for his people. I guess, he is just two fingers from calling Martin Luther King a Black Supremacist, since he incited Black people to protest white brutality and segregation. I want to complain to Wikipedia about the unhealthy tone in which the Black Supremacist page has been written. The assaults on Rappers and other musicians such as Lauren Hill is shocking. I have no doubt that the article is motived by racial hate. It is so apt that you have identified the problems as systemic. Wikipedia is a true menace in the sense that people of African descent are often assaulted but may lack the resources, time or orientations necessary to defend themselves against those who use Wikipedia to commit what amounts to racial assault. Refutations are highly resented and a general ambiance of White supremacist aggression reigns on many pages. I haven't read all that you've written, I imagine that you spend a lot of time, fighting the good fight. Again thanks. I hope you get this message.Sincerely Vani --VaniNY 20:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the warm words. I believe that I have already expressed that I'm happy that you have been available to work so hard on this site. I have only been at it a few days, and already I have had enough. I am sorry that we have had cross words, but, even though it may reoccur, it means nothing. Your views nearly mirror my own (concerning the subject at hand) and that is really gratifying. It disturbs me that I may not have the time to keep up with this nutty site. As my mother used to say "No rest for the weary". Peace to you too. VaniNY African AmericanThanks for your work on this. I'll try to get a look at it again today. It's often a mess, and there simply aren't enough people watching it. Apparently, we have a few "contributors" who think the title of the page is The Negro Problem. Then again, I guess the title of much of the talk page could be The Clueless White Boy Problem. Same thing happens to Roma people. On Jew, it's a little better, because there seems to be more of a "diligence squad" watching it through an RSS feed. I tend to hit things as they come up on my watchlist, and that means I'm usually lagging by a few days, so if a page is churning, I rarely see it unless someone calls my attention. Still, it's amazing the vandalism I sometimes find that has been sitting for days. - Jmabel | Talk 17:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC) User notice: temporary 3RR blockRegarding reversions[2] made on October 17 2006 to Great Sphinx of Giza Unblock requestI e-mailed the admin who blocked me to get the link to the documentation supporting the action, stating I didn't believe I violated the 3RR. He responded: "Sadly, an all too common response. See WP:AN3 -W}}" I checked the information.[3] It does not support the 3RR. I responded with a follow-up e-mail: "Yep. It probably IS a common response. However, did you really read the fourth edit?" "First, the wording is changed in the second edit, because I realized that someone had played with the Schoch quote to make Schoch say something he may not have said. I changed it in the second edit." "Most importantly, one of the main points of contention with this segment of the article was the placement of this information. I deleted the "Ethnicity" subhead, deleted the ancillary quotations from the writers (DeVolney, DuBois, etc.) and, I thought, worked the information in very effectively to a previous paragraph where it fit seamlessly regarding the controversy about Khafre. Domingo's observations provide another example of a dissenting opinion regarding the Sphinx's identity. The result is quite different." (edited for clarity) "I think you're in error, and I request that the block be reversed." I don't think the admin even bothered to read my fourth entry. It's obvious it's in a completely different location, and the resultant language is quite different. I find the fact that I have been blocked ironic. User:Stbalbach repeatedly reverted my edits without explaining why and using what I consider uncivil language. And he ended his third block with the following edit note, a blatant and open invitation for people to engage in tag-team edit warring: "There is no consensus for this - my 3rd revert of the day so someone else can take it from here." So much for following wiki procedure. deeceevoice 13:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
"Just take a break...."Just take a break from the black people article for a while. Your edits aren't helping. Kobrakid 21:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Why don't you take a break? I think my edits, which have not only added information, but corrected numerous typos and capitalization errors, have been an improvement. What's more, IMO, my edits have been objective, balanced and informative. In many cases, my edits aren't even controversial -- but they've been reverted -- wholesale -- anyway. Now, that's not helping; that's simply edit warring. And you're one of the main culprits in that regard. You've got some nerve coming to my page and telling me to "take a break." deeceevoice 21:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.SecurID 05:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC) Another unjust blockI've blocked you for 24 hours so you can calm down a bit. Remember WP:CIVIL. — Matt Crypto 11:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The issue is not just my block, but the abject (and repeated) failure on the part of Crypto and others of his ilk to deal with (or even acknowledge) the violations of others involved in the same matters in which I am involved. The edit warrior in this case clearly and blatantly incited others to essentially take over where he left off -- to engage in tag-team edit warring. And while the wiki definition clearly states that one can be cited for a 3RR violation for having violated even the spirit, and not necessarily the letter (four reverts), of the rule, no action was taken against him. Typical, classic Crypto. And that is why I (and others) hold him and the so-called wiki process in such contempt. deeceevoice 04:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm appalled by the stupidity and ignorance that often passes hereabouts as another, valid "point of view" on issues somehow involving skin color. I don't have much time, effort or inclination to flush this stuff away, but now and again I do try (recent example). I really hope you continue to stick around because you do much more of it than I do, and I'd prefer that the WP coverage of these issues weren't too horrible. All the best -- Hoary 15:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Not at all, Deecee: my efforts are minor and sporadic. All the best with your work; stay cool. -- Hoary 11:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC) a few criticismsFirst off, I want to say I admire your devotion to your cause, and your voracious pursuit of knowledge on subjects that are important to you. However, I have the following questions, which are somewhat criticizing, but not meant to rant at you:
--Winatchess
A Response *sigh* Frankly, I find responding to such flat-footed inquiries as yours tedious and annoying. I'm not here to provide answers to queries from the obviously not well-read (on a particular subject), yet opinionated, as a substitute for knowledge resulting from serious inquiry and scholarship born of interest rather than curiosity. I will say what I have to say here this time and no more.
Just a noteJust so you know- I'm no admin, just a concerned outsider. :) johnpseudo 15:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC) Yep, I had you confused with someone else and realized it only after I'd posted the note. :) deeceevoice 18:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC) The "black people" article......strikes me as no longer awful. It is still not a great article, but I think it is no longer a serious embarrassment. You might want to look in on it some time and see if you can suggest some tweaks, or some references worth people following up. - Jmabel | Talk 04:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC) I don't have the inclination or the patience at the moment. I don't know when, if ever, I'll return to the article. User:deeceevoice 13:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Stormfront materialYou are right about that material, it was racist, it was my mistake to have restored it without reading it more carefully. Wanted to admit my mistake on that single edit and clear up any misunderstanding that it was made intentionally. I did not defend it after you removed it the second time and I agree it should be removed. -- Stbalbach 18:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Well, that's the way you roll, isn't it? Wholesale deletion/reversion without bothering to read anything, exhorting others to do the same. Please, don't come here pretending to be acting in good faith. deeceevoice 09:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Merry Christmas Hi DeeCee! I just want to say Merry Christmas and Kwanzaa to you! Have a nice holiday time. - Darwinek 19:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC) When you create stub articles such as Get down, please try to find the best specific stub tag(s) on the page WP:STUBS. This saves other editors work in categorizing the page, and makes it easier for editors with experise in the subject to find pages that need work. Thanks, — Swpb talk contribs 18:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC) I'm not very interested in the project at the moment, so whatever I do I do what I have the tolerance/patience for. I don't have the patience for such matters such as stub categories, so I'm afraid you'll have to accept what I have to offer and no more. Not the best response, I'm sorry to say, but it's my response. deeceevoice 21:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Image tagging for Image:Louis_Gossett,_Jr._as_Sadat.jpgThanks for uploading Image:Louis_Gossett,_Jr._as_Sadat.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well. For more information on using images, see the following pages: This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 09:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC) Yawn. dee. 01/02/07 Thank youHi, Thank you for your recent postings on Dravidian people. It has been frustrating with the number of people modifying the info on that page. Some have been turning it into a propganda page to make it look like we do not exist. Yes, we are related to the people of East Africa and the aboriginals of Australia. One can see that not only in our features, but in some of our martial arts, music, and dance. Wiki Raja 06:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Vanakkam and Greetings, I see that the debate is getting pretty hot on Talk:Dravidian people. Asian2Duracell has been harassing a few people showing intolerance towards other people's ethnic backgrounds and vandalizing the talk pages. He is also in the habit of posting messages without signging them, like as though we are not going to know who it is. Today, he posted a very inapporiate message on my User talk:Wiki Raja page. Furthermore, I sense some sockpuppetry going on with this user, since his tone of language sounds almost the same as ARYAN818, who has been reported by none other than (me). ARYAN818's previous history of harassing otherusers, warnings, and blockings because of his name alone is the reason why he is being removed from Wikipedia by next week. It seems that one of the few that is making noise here is Asian2Duracell. We must act accordingly and report this user at once to administration. I cannot believe the kind of language he is using here and getting away with it. Lastly, I have come up with an idea to start a WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations to counter these inappropriate activities and to promote the different Dravidian cultures, not only in India, but in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Maldives, and Bangladesh. So far, the majority of articles relating to Dravidians are good to go. It seems that it is mainly the Dravidian people site which we need to tackle. So, I would like you to be on the WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations team. This group is open to anybody and everybody who is interested in participating. As you will notice Dravidians are not locked into on country, but are spread across borders too. Anyways, here is the link: User:Wiki Raja/WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations Take care. Wiki Raja 00:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
haha ur talking about me, oh what an honour. I'm sorry I didnt signed the post, WikiRaja. It was ofcourse me. But that ARYAN818 guy is definitley not me. Hey Guys, or better deeceevoice, I think ur the last guy who should talk about "get blocked". (deleted message to another user.)Asian2duracell 00:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC) :-) A2d, if you have a message for another user, I suggest you take it to their page. There is no reason to suspect that WR -- or any other user (other than me) -- would check my discussion page for messages intended for them. Yours here to WR has been deleted. deeceevoice 12:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC) heyWhats up? Two things, one related to Wikipedia and one just a general question. 1.Philip Emeagwali's article seems completely POV against him (I have my guesses why...). Even though he is kind of bullshittin' about being the father of the internet, I think it's some pretty awful treatment of him that you could easily counterbalance. 2. Just a general question. Does it piss you off that "Afrocentric" rappers like Nas have ignorant lyrics like:
Or is your view of ignorance limited only to eurocentric prejudice? Anyways, peace, --Urthogie 01:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
You ain't nevvuh lied about that! Sorry, El C. I'm crunching deadlines and didn't read very carefully. Happy New Year, bwoi! :D deeceevoice 16:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
And your record is a constant, never-ending string of them. You're an annoyance. Get lost. deeceevoice 12:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC) Invitation to join the Gospel Music WikiprojectI noticed your earlier work on the Take 6 article. I would like to invite you to join the new Gospel Music Wikiproject. Great work!I thought the changes you made to Black people were great. Get ready for a fight, though. There are some people here who take that guy seriously (!) Try to stay calm and cite a lot sources. I'll be around if you need any help.-- futurebird 00:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
We need to talk about the text you removed. Another user put it back, so I removed it again, but we need to hash this out. It's turning in to an edit war. Please see the talk page. futurebird 20:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Our communications are crossing. I just commented there. deeceevoice 21:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Black PeopleAlthough I have been banned from contributing, I have still been able to spread the word and it looks like it worked as I expected. The cat is already out of the bag and there is no way the Eurocentric view will ever remain in control of that article again. I am glad to see you've been sticking up for the best way to contribute to the Black People article. - Zaphnathpaaneah. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.55.162 (talk) 23:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC). deecee, don't delete the stuff on Black supremacy again. You see there is a rule that you should not revert any edit more than three times. Since what we've tried so far isn't working we might need some mediation for this... or if you know anyone who can help make a case on the talk page give them a call. I just wanted to warn you so you don't get banned from editing. This whole thing is beyond annoying. If you ever need anything just let me know, Hit my talk page or email (me @ futurebird dot com )futurebird 05:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Thanks, but I'm aware of the 3RR, and I haven't violated it. If you'd like to call in someone to mediate, that's fine with me. deeceevoice 05:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to know your thoughts on this new outline I've proposed for this highly problematic page. Any ideas or feedback? Thanks! futurebird 20:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Get DownI can't believe these two users think it's a "neologism." Maybe to them it seems that way. I never bought in to the complaints of the whole "systematic destruction of African culture" crowd. But, this is starting to make me change my mind, wow.... Three sources and a picture and it's still a "questionable neologism" I guess I need to get a certificate from the government certifying this word as legitimate and present my freedom papers too. Holy cat!futurebird 12:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC) R & I "new intro"Talk:Race and intelligence/new intro feb 07 I've written a new intro, I'd love your feedback-- the talk page over there has been quiet since I posted it. I'm worried! futurebird 01:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC) No time for the next several days, but I'll get around to it. I won't be around much for probably a week or so. Deadlines! Good to see you're hanging in. You're a real asset to the project -- whether people know it or not. Peace. deeceevoice 19:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Re: Get Down AfDHehe, no problem. I like to cut out what doesn't deserve to be here, but that article clearly does. Best to you, Icemuon 18:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Ancient African CivilizationsIf you look at the page civilization you'll see that there is not much listed there from Africa. (When I first looked at it Egypt was listed under "Eurasian" civilizations, so I created a section for "North Africa" and put it there!) I'd like to add some African civilizations, but being a 'math person' with scant knowledge of history I don't know where to start. What are the greatest BC African civilizations? Any suggestions? I might just work on adding more information on those civilizations' pages before adding them to the civilizations page. There was an awful lot of debate about even including the Olmec in the list, so I want this to be solid and well-sourced. I thought you might be able to help since you seem quite knowledgeable about African history. Thanks! futurebird 18:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC) I would change "North Africa" to "Nile Valley." "North Africa" to lots of people means Arabs, and they think of the Maghreb -- Morocco, Tunisia, etc. (Part of the way white folks have played with words to wipe out black history.) Nile Valley civilizations would include pre-dynastic Egypt as well and the Kush/Meroitic cultures. And then there's Abyssinia and its influence on Egypt. Nok culture/Ile-Ife, Timbuktu in present-day Mali, Songhay, Benin, Ashanti, Kanem-Bornu -- well, some of these are medieval, now that I think about it. But, yes. Another that came to my mind (before I completely read your post) was the Olmec civilization, as well. See the article Australoid, which addresses an ancient, black presence in the Americas and provides links. The civilizations of the Levant also were black (which is one of the reasons Arabs look the way they do; all that African blood didn't come from the slave trade). Martin Bernal, Runoko Rashidi, Chancellor Williams and others all have argued there was a substantial and significant black presence in the classical world. Furthermore, while some would argue some of the civilizations of these civilizations were not black per se, there is considerable evidence that they were heavily influenced by ancient Egypt, and African civilizations to the south; indeed, dynastic Egypt originated with black peoples to the South. Upper and Lower Egypt were unified by Menes/Narmer, who came from the South. In addition to being referred to as the Scorpion king, he also was known as "King Catfish." (You can't tell me dat bwoi wasn't black! :p) And then there is the ancient black presence in Asia. There's ample documentation for that, too. deeceevoice 19:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC) I knew you were the right person to ask about this! futurebird 14:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Is this real? It looks suspect to me. futurebird 14:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The terms "coarse" and "fine" in the context of human hair refer to the thickness of the hair shaft. Coarseness has absolutely nothing to do with the way hair feels to the touch. Straight, fine hair can be wiry; black, coarse hair can be as soft as wool. And of course black hair grows long! It's all about how it's groomed. I mean if we didn't oil, braid and twist our hair, it probably would break. But -- news flash -- we do groom our hair. Finally, I don't know that business about black hair producing more oil. White folks got some oily hair (which is why they have to wash it so frequently)! Furthermore, it's the flattened, elliptical shape of the hair shaft that gives black hair reduced tensile strength. I don'to think it has anything to do with oil (or the lack thereof), given that we oil our hair. The editor is partially correct on some points. On others, looks like they pullin' it out they a**. Peace & hair grease! :p deeceevoice 11:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The "Enough is enough" comment (below) was posted after this exchange onUser:Thomas.macmillan's talk page about his failed attempt to have the article deleted -- without discussing it with anyone beforehand.
(Bobo192 was responding to MacMillan's request that he take a look at his AfD.[7] -- and, as you can see, he declined. I responded to Bobo's comment -- something which happens all the time on talk pages. It's called talk/discussion.)
Enough is enoughPlease stop badgering me over Get down. Every editor has a right to do what they believe is best for the encyclopedia and I certainly did not nominate it with "bad faith". However, I will stop responding to every and all comments from you on this matter here forth because the situation is closed and you do not need to keep repeating your point, as have you done on several talk pages, the Get down AfD and even my talk page, which your last entry will be deleted from because of its pointless addition and the fact that it is not even directed towards me. In conclusion, please refrain responding to this and stop being a dick.--Thomas.macmillan 15:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Tsk, tsk, tsk. Such hyperbole and pettiness! Not quite true, TM. And, furthermore, unlike you, I didn't approach anyone and ask them to weigh in on the topic. You didn't do what you should have done and got soundly spanked for it. What? Your ego bruised? Not my problem. Don't compound your inappropriate behavior by being a schmuck/ass and a sore loser. Kindly refrain from leaving messages on my talk page in the future. I'll simply delete them -- unread. *x* See ya around the project. :)deeceevoice 15:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Touchy, touchy! What's that thing that black folks say? "Don't start nun, won't b nun." Yeah. Dat. deeceevoice 15:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Oh, this is precious! Just found this on the talk page of User:Grutness. Not content to come here and tell me to "stop being a dick," MacMillan (this guy's a trip w/o a suitcase) has the gall to complain to an admin that I and others are "harassing" and "badgering" him. And -- get this -- that I have exercised "very bad faith." lol:
The admin doesn't get involved, so MacMillan replies.
Good thing, TM. I notice your exaggeration/misrepresentation about the number of posts I made to your page. I also note you didn't mention your "stop being a dick" comment. What? You thought it was somehow not relevant? Had you gone to the Administrators' notice board, I'd simply have thrown your own words right back atcha. Don't start nun, won't b nun. Words to live by. And if you're going to invite someone in, you'd better make sure your house is in order first. deeceevoice 18:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC) No problem. It was the right thing to do, IMNSHO. Jerry lavoie 16:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Filing a complaint against Asian2duracellI am sending you this message in regards to a report I am filing against Asian2duracell to the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. He has been found guilty of racial intollerance, name calling, trolling, sock puppetry, and vandalism. All other methods of conflict resolution have been tried and failed. Please let me know that you are aware of this request and if you would like to participate in this. Regards. Wiki Raja 01:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Yes, absolutely. I'll weigh in on is incivility and edit warring. deeceevoice 02:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC) African-American templateI agree the flag makes more sense. Thanks for helping to keep an eye on this. Have you signed up for WP:AFRO ? futurebird 17:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the heads-up. I just did. :) deeceevoice 19:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC) Your UserpageHi. Can I suggest you make your userpage pic a bit smaller? It's very big just, and slightly annoying to have to scroll down to see most of the page comment. If you choose not to do so, please don't bother yourself to reply to this message.martianlostinspace 18:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't even going to respond to martianlostinspace, though I took no offense at his/her request. You, Docjay, get a gold star. You get it. *wink* Peace 2 both of you. deeceevoice 07:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC) Sheila Jackson LeeI fixed your cut and paste move of Sheila Jackson Lee. As you'd left it the entire editing history of the article would have been lost. It was an easy fix, but try to avoid "cut and paste" moves in the future. -Will Beback · † · 19:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Yep, I know. Had intended to deal with this when I had more time, so thanks for doing so. It was necessitated by a typo error/double post that wouldn't allow me to simply move the page. deeceevoice 07:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I recently called Lee's office about the divestment legislation before the Virginia Assembly. (Since she's an AKA, I wanted her to send an e-mail to the Greek-letter organizations on the campus of Virginia Union, requesting their involvement in helping to get the legislation over the hump in the house of delegates.) Her legislative aide told me her name is not hyphenated, even though the web says otherwise. deeceevoice 08:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I know, thanks. But in the scheme of things -- really -- who cares? deeceevoice 17:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Paper Bag TestHi deeceevoice. I was wondering if the PBT or ideas of division among African Americans based on lightness of skin color should be a separate article. Or is that sufficiently covered elsewhere? I'm checking wiki pages to see what i can add, and i was wondering if you thought such an addition would be helpful. Elefuntboy 18:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
This Banjo nonsense...... is getting a little silly. How about an RFC? Do you think that could settle the question? futurebird 23:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC) I don't know. I'm trying to see the last poster's point. I added in what I saw were appropriate, related articles in the AA template box that were missing. We'll see how the editor responds now. deeceevoice 23:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
FeedbackI'd love to have your feedback on these proposed changes:
futurebird 19:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Dang, girl! Don't you do anything besides Wikipedia? I'm busy working on Sudan divestment right now -- and I've got deadlines. Will take a look when I have time, probably sometime next week. Peace. deeceevoice 01:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC) OH MY GODDeecee, I'm gonna lose it any second now. I start adding info about how the Irish were once not considered white and this guy counters with some IQ figures that I guess he intends to mean that it is true that the Irish are just a bunch of dumb paddies. I don't even know where to start criticizing this. I'm just very ANGRY. I'm going to change my username to ANGRYbird... AHHHH!! futurebird 00:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC) Orphaned fair use image (Image:Rodman book cover.jpg)Thanks for uploading Image:Rodman book cover.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy). If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. This is an automated message from BJBot 10:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC) Black peopleEvery opinion in the black people artilce gona piss someone off. If everyone remove opinions just cause the person might be racist or a hack, no article will be left. Black supremacists. Afrocentrics piss me off but I don't remove them from the article Christmasgirl  Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Black people. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.--Strothra 14:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Ur kidding. U come out of retirement to warn me and say nothing to the instigator of all this, Xmasgirl? Check the edit summaries and the talk page. Puhleeze. *x* deeceevoice 14:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I see. Your warning to her posted after I made my post here. You found/find it annoying? Well, that makes two of us! deeceevoice 19:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Image:Two Curve Bell.jpgPlease weigh in on this IfD [8] futurebird 07:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC) Thank you!Thank you so much for your help with that IfD, It's nice to see things going the right way... for once. You know, it's string to feel like there is a real community here, and I'm starting to think that the wikipedia can be the kind of place that, with some work, people will be able to trust for real information... even on controversial topics. So, thank you. You comments got me to smile at a time that I needed to. This stuff can get me very depressed, you been such a big help, in so many ways. I can't even count 'em... and I'm a math teacher. futurebird 20:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC) Don't get all warm and fuzzy and rosy about this place, bird. It's still a racist dungheap. deeceevoice 22:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC) Hi Deeceevoice. I just feel that in your attempt to discredit a definition (which is only 1 out of dozens in the article), you are adding stuff to the article that is far more offensive than the quote you are trying to discredit. The quote is not saying anything bad about black people, it's simply identifying a segment of the population that the source uses the term to refer to. But in trying to discrecit the definition, you are adding negative stereotypes of black people to the article that will peak reader curiosity and cause them to read the source's theories. I also worry that if you try too hard to discredit the source, others will add information to defend the source, and then pretty soon the article will get off topic. I also worry you might start a trend where people who disagree with every controversial statement in the article will feel the need to discredit the source in the black people article itself instead of in the source's article. For example there are several on the talk page who disagree with Cheikh Anta Diop. I worry that people will follow your lead and feel the need to discredit him in the article on the grounds that the reader has the right to know his Afrocentric attitudes etc. It could cause a very well organized article to spiral into disorder. Iseebias My point is to get the editors who want to include such information to do so from a credible source. This guy is not a credible source. And if you can't see that after all that information, then I don't know what to tell you. Getting publised (particularly in this age of endless media outlets, sensationalism and incivility) or occupying a university position hardly makes one a credible, authoritative source. "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one." In this case, this guy is an opinion -- if you get my meaning. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, for God's sake. We should strive for a higher standard when utilizing people as sources. This guy doesn't pass muster; his biases are grotesquely evident. I am going to continue to insist that this guy's pedigree be evident to the reader. If they're going to consider his opinion, then they're entitled to know just what kind of a racist sleazebag he is. Frankly, I think it's pathetic that anyone would even consider using him as a source for anything in an encyclopedia. IMO, it seriously calls into question the judgment of some of the editors at work on the article -- not to mention the integrity of the entire project.deeceevoice 21:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC) His ideas are nutty, but he's a credible source in the sense that he's a scholary source. He's published his ideas in peer reviewed academic journals. He has a very distinguished academic career. Even if he represents academic racism, acadeic racism has historically and even today played a huge role in how black identity has been socially constructed, so the article is not complete unless we explain how an allegedly academic racist decides who is black, and since we need to cite at least 1 allegedly racist academic, Rushton is the one to cite since he's the most scholarly of this group, and since his ideas have been so influential in creating stereotypes about black and Asian penis size etc Iseebias His ideas haven't been influential about creating stereotypes about black and Asian penis size. Such stereotypes, though obviously not universally applicable, are based in objective fact. It's his extrapolations that are in question here. Reads like a mean, little man with intellect, but little real intelligence -- and a very small one. Reads like penis envy to me. :p deeceevoice 22:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Forgotten by whom? It's common knowledge out here that white men and Asians have relatively/generally smaller penises than black men. I don't know where you've been! Still, I really couldn't care less about Rushton's theories in that regard, though. He's a jackass. deeceevoice 00:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. That's like saying the fact that the sun comes up in the morning has been common knowledge since 1989. What? You've got to be joking! I've known it practically all my life. It's simply common knowledge, and it's got absolutely nothing to do with Rushton -- whatsoever. It's always been an undercurrent in tensions between black men and white men -- particular with regard to black men and white women, and also with regard to the relative disdain with which many black women historically have regarded the notion of relationships with white men (that and other reasons). Hell, when southern crackkkahs lynched black men, they particularly enjoyed castrating them and making souvenirs of their genitalia. Sum sick sh*t that. You must be a youngun not to know something as basic -- and pervasive -- as this. I haven't read this, but just so you know.[9] deeceevoice 00:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
No "might" about it. That's a definite. And wrong again. Asians -- common knowledge for God knows how long, too. deeceevoice 00:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Rolling on floor, laughingI was literally off the chair after reading your words at the bell curve discussion. ---Sluzzelin 21:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC) - Just stating facts. That old heiffer's name was Wilhelmina Smithy, if memory serves. A real Germanic- (maybe Russian-) -lookin', arm wrestlin', cow-milkin', two-fisted-beer-drinkin', steroid-takin'-lookin' broad. If there's any justice, she's long gone now and moulderin' in the ground. deeceevoice 21:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
User notice: temporary 3RR blockfuturebird 15:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Regarding reversions[10] made on February 18 2007 to Black peopleLike I give a sh*t. I'm crunching deadlines -- three of 'em, ad seriatim, so 24 hours suits me just fine. deeceevoice 21:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC) Cool source?"A Cameroonian painter and guitar player he befriended "was into James Brown and Joni Mitchell." There seemed to be no limit to cultural connections. Take the word "cool": "In West Africa when they want to say they are doing well, they'll use the image of coolness. In pidgin English, you refer to the woman you love as 'my cool heart.' As opposed to the Western world where the image of love is hot. Women wear fiery red lipstick. But 'cool' has come to be used here too. One of the first jazz records I owned was Miles Davis's 'The Birth of the Cool" -Corey Harris Reaching Deftly Beyond the Blues By Mike Zwerin International Herald Tribune Wednesday, August 23, 2000 http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/08/23/harris.2.t.php futurebird 15:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC) heyDid you see the sources I added for African aesthetic? When I started looking in to this topic it was not clear to me if this topic was a branch of African philosophy (that is, African aesthetics) of if it was something else. I'm really bogged down with "Race and intelligence" right now. It's under mediation-- I'm starting to think that, though the article is still filled with a good amount of nonsense, it is looking more balanced. If you ever have a chance please take a look. I'd love any feedback you have on things that seem to be missing. I've worked so hard on this I'm thinking about it in my sleep and woke up with this little poem stuck in my head: no school for harlem I'll fly on over to check out Black supremacy in the next few days. I'm just hoping that things will cool down. Don't want to get caught in the crossfire. futurebird 02:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
fyiDo you have anything to add to this? futurebird 05:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
re: 'cool', seeing redIs it really so painful to simply admit that one of the major aesthetic achievements of american culture has african origins? My... god... futurebird 07:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC) black peopleI think we're very close to a compromise on this. I'm willing to accomodate you as much as possible as long as you acknowledge my concerns Iseebias I'm reading your responses and responding as best I can. (I feel like we're negotiating a treaty or something....) deeceevoice 12:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC) please see talk pageplease see the "cool" talk page for explanation of changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.112.7.212 (talk) 08:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC). hmm. I don't know how to do thatRFC? You can do that for a user? futurebird 14:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC) EthiopiansHopefully my views on Ethiopians don't offend you. Hallaqah was offended by my latest post but you and I have made such great progress cooperating in spite of our disagreement that I would hate to see this minor disagreement (which we've now solved) get in the way of the great work you and I have done on the article. I don't think it will because you've always expressed your disagreement in a civil and intelligent way. Iseebias I'm just now seeing this -- and I don't know when it was posted. (I suppose I could check the edit history.) Anyway, I haven't paid much attention to the text lately. Maybe I'll get back to it next week. Peace. :) deeceevoice 17:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC) 2005Was a long time ago. I really couldn't care less about the RFC 71.112.7.212 posted to my talk page on you. May I ask, though, was Rbaish involved in that process? If he/she was then it's just more evidence that 71.112.7.212 is a puppet. 22:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Race and healthRather than pull my hair out of the stupid Race and intelligence article, I've started working on a brand new article on Race and health everything there is new as of yesterday. I hope that you'll take a look at this and point out anything you think I ought to add. futurebird 17:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC) I really need some help with this article. I've added a ton of evidence against the genetic explanation, but now WRN is trying to frame the whole thing in terms of "well you never know it might be genetics!" --It's the idea that no matter what you do, I mean, even if there was no test score gap, until you have proven there is NO genetic link you ought to assume that there is one. He's invoking Occam's razor and I think that's ABSURD. Occam's razor says choose the obvious cause: RACISM. duh duh duh. I've just about had it with this article. How many years will it be before people simply realise that (a) Jensen is a nut (b) we ought to have been spending all this time and research money trying to help people live better lives rather than trying to prove that people are inferior because of some 19th century vendetta in some circles of the academic community against africa. I'm just really angry and sick of going in circles. I need some help. I don't want to just give up and watch as all of my hard work is slowly obliterated. futurebird 05:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC) I understand your frustration. What you're experiencing is exactly the kind of crap that has happened to my contributions here: e.g., the article on the "race" of the ancient Egyptians and on the Great Sphinx of Giza article. I'll be busy crunching deadlines all tonight, tomorrow and, likely, part of Monday, but I'll see what I can do sometime Monday -- in between working on DC Sudan divestment. (I've got calls to some city council folks to make.) Cool? deeceevoice 08:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC) I haven't even read the article yet, but I noticed that Rushton is dealt with a lot. So, I added the information about his background and criticism of his bullsh*t "studies." Also, I'm wondering if there's any information included in the article about language development and I.Q. It's another element that flat-out debunks the "black folks are inferior" crap racist POV pushers love to insert in articles such as this. deeceevoice 10:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
"fanonite"I barely glazed over the Israel-South Africa relations link you sent me before, but I just happened to go back to his blog later while researching the Palestinian Israeli conflict. The "fanonite" is not a black nationalist (as I presumed by the link), but rather an Islamist apologist. Note, I am not criticizing him for being anti-Israel, or pro-palestinian. I'm criticizing him for being an Islamist. Considering the havoc that Islamism has already reaked on Africa, you might as well have linked me to a guy who supported the Arab slave trade.--Urthogie 00:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC) So, you object to the source? Just google the info. There are multiple links from multiple sources that will provide essentially the same information. You doubt the extent to which neo-fascist elements of the Zionist movement collaborated to shore up racist Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa? You also might try googling the ADL spy case, where it spied on a variety of perfectly legitimate, leftist organizations, etc. -- like anti-apartheid groups in the U.S. and the ANC -- and turned the information over to not only the U.S. government, but to the apartheid South African government as well. Time for a reality check. That is, of course, if you're ready to read the whole truth instead of just the warm-and-fuzzy side of the role of Jews in the struggle for African independence. deeceevoice 20:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The www is available to you, just as it is to me. deeceevoice 22:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
How are they relating the blackface to Huck Finn? deeceevoice 23:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds a hell of a lot more interesting than when my high school class read the book. As usual, I was the only black person in the room, and I wasn't exactly jazzed about it. Back then, in the Dark Ages, there was no black literature in the curriculum -- just the usual -- Johnny Tremaine, Faulkner's pervasive racism, John Steinbeck's gratuitous racism, etc. I complained about how we had to read about Nigger Jim, then asked defiantly where were the stories about "Honky Huck." (The teacher wasn't amused -- but, then, neither was I.) deeceevoice 05:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC) cornrows and bo derekHey, I just deleted that Bo Derek picture from Cornrow, and made a comment regarding the picture on the talk page. Looking at the edit history, it seems that you've deleted the picture several times yourself. I'd appreciate a comment lending your support, if you feel comfortable giving it. Cheers!70.231.253.59 21:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC) hey, this might amaze you, but I've worked out complete consensus with an Afrocentrist on this page. take a look and tell me what you think, --Urthogie 04:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Orphaned fair use image (Image:African_Ceremonies_bookcover.jpg)Thanks for uploading Image:African_Ceremonies_bookcover.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy). If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. — Rebelguys2 talk 05:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Kwame Ture / Carmichael & A-APRPWith reference to Kwame Ture / Stokely Carmichael and the All-African People's Revolutionary Party: I tried to look into it, but I suspect that you may do a better job of sorting it out. There seem to be a lot of gray-zone sites (Geocities and the like), and I'm not sure what is real & reliable. - Jmabel | Talk 03:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC) By the way, Dave Garrow, who is cited in that article, lived directly over me one year in college (he had the dullest musical tastes of any young person I ever knew), and undoubtedly first heard Carmichael speak in person on exactly the same occasion I did, when Carmichael visited Wesleyan, I think in '73. - Jmabel | Talk 04:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC) |
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