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The comment was actually directed to the delete !vote right above me, not your nomination. The comment was "delete or actually write an article; it's only ONE sentence." That rationale is that there is a minimum amount of content that must be written in order to pass notability guidelines. Anything less than that should be deleted which is not the case.--CNMall41 (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah in that case I apologize and will amend it but to be fair you never stated that, Usually most "AFD is not cleanup" !votes are 98% for the nominator which is why I obviously assumed you meant me, Thanks, –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year20:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
No biggie. Just wanted to let you know I had no problem with your nomination. That's what consensus is. I just get frustrated when I see votes such as that with no policy based reason for keeping or deleting. Thanks again and enjoy your New Year!--CNMall41 (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
CNMall41 - Oh right sorry, I mean considering an editor directly above provided sources it seems rather stupid to !vote delete based on the fact it's a one liner as as now there were sources the !delete editor could've done something worthwhile like improve the sodding thing and then !vote Keep!..... But all of that involved common sense which they obviously was lacking!, Sorry ranting away here , Anyway thanks for your message and wishes - I hope you had a lovely Crimbo and I hope you have an epic New Year :) –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year00:01, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I think it is still appropriate to wish you a (belated) Happy New Year and to thank you for the New Year's greeting. Sorry I am a little late. Best wishes for the New Year. Donner60 (talk) 04:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The outcome of the RfC was clear: per Template:Infobox television: "Reliable source required". Throwing in numbers without citation either in the infobox or article body is OR, and your edit goes again both the RfC and Wikipedia policy. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:05, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Tenebrae - I disagree entirely with the RFC - By that logic everything should be sourced or removed from the infobox..... Could you explain how on earth you can cite runtimes as from where I'm sitting there's no sources except tv listings....., Seriously take a step back and ask yourself is this really worth the fuss I mean really ? .....,I'm not gonna edit war as I've said my peace there and here - I just 100% disagree with it and quite honestly it's ridiculous. –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year16:09, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
We can disagree all we want, but that doesn't mean we can ignore a consensus decision. And I'm not sure why it's ridiculous to have runtimes for TV shows when we have them for movies and music recordings, but I'm not going to reargue a settled RfC. You want to edit against RfC consensus, fine. But I've contacted the closing admin and asked him to come to Talk:New Girl to help uphold consensus.
And as I've said on that page, unless we're making numbers up, then why wouldn't we want to cite runtimes? If you don't have a source, then it's your personal guess, and that's OR. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:13, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't call it consensus as such - Some said yay and some said nay, and the closing admin closed it whilst looking at the sky obviously , Did you have too ? ... That's just adding fuel to the fire isn't it ?, I'm like you I believe most things should be sourced but not every minor detail .... –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year16:50, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
@Davey2010: As Tenebrae has made 4 reverts I've opened a report at WP:AN3. The relevant discussion is User:Tenebrae reported by User:AussieLegend (Result: ). I've provided links to comments made by the RfC closer, including the RfC closing statement and his clarification that The RfC close has nothing to say about whether running times from reliable independent sources have to be cited inline in infoboxes, or whether citation from a source linked within the body is acceptable.[1] --AussieLegend (✉) 17:10, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Ironically, the IP's edits at New Girl are technically correct. If you look at the page in the citation that I added you will see that Season 4 episode 6 is 24 minutes long. If you look on the page above the episode list you will see a button on the left marked "Season 4". Clicking that reveals a drop-down box that allows you to select different seasons. If you select season 1, you'll see that episodes 1,2,3,6,13 and 19 are all 21 minutes long, so "21-24 minutes", which is what the IP originally added, is the actual runtime. --AussieLegend (✉) 06:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah my bad as you say 24 minutes is there, I just assumed the IP wasn't a happy bunny about it being one number, Thanks for amending it, You'd really think Tenebrae would have better shit to do!. –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year09:28, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
AussieLegend - Ah bollocks sorry I didn't realize the template didn't work - "Some people" should've linked to "T"s name!, My English is absolutely fine tho ? ... Well if it's readable then I'm doing something right , Oi you know I love you man! . ––Davey2010Talk15:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Just read it sorry, Until now I never realized it said their name and "some other people" so I could understand if you was pissed off with me there, Right I'll shut the hell up before I confuse you even more , Again sorry for the rather stupid error!, Thanks and Happy editing. –Davey2010Talk15:52, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
You do realise that the only people who don't make errors are dead people, don't you? Therefore, according to my impeccable logic, the more errors you make, the more alive you are. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Because I find the username to be gross and disgusting (as already pointed out to you) and an embarrassment for Wikipedia. That you do not reflects your low standards. Your inane objections have made it that much harder for me to get this worthless userpage removed. Quis separabit?16:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Dude the editor hasn't fucking edited since 2008 and his userpage/talkpage contains no vandalism (Unless you're offended by a smiley face!)..... So tagging his pages are moronic, pointless and not to mention a waste of time!, I agree the name's offensive but if they've not edited since 2008 then what is the point of blocking now ? ..... Do us both a favour drop the stick and concentrate on editing the encyclopedia like everyone else. –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year16:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
"I have to ask this Rms125a@hotmail.com how on earth did you even find the name ? ... Was you looking for everything that had the name "Menstrual" 'cos if you were ... that's pretty weird!. Ah well may aswell be closed now."
Since you have made this personal, I would just direct you here, in case you did not read my last reply to you there. And before you ask, yes I am very proud of having shut down these two usernames -- Menstrual and Dear Diarrhœa -- as well. Quis separabit?16:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Rms125a@hotmail.com - Nope I'll admit I shouldn't of ever made that comment, It was just weird how you found it but after now reading your reply it all makes sense, The comment was more or less me having a bit of a laugh and wasn't meant as a personal attack but regardless of that I apologize for making that comment in the first place, I occasionally lurk "a certain website so as you can imagine I've seen and heard far worse which is maybe why I didn't seem fussed about the name, Meh I guess we're all offended by different things (For instance I find this image very niiiiiice but someone in the world was actually offended by that image so as I said we're all offended differently I guess), Anyway it's all in the past :), Onwards & Upwards as they say :) –Davey2010Merry Xmas / Happy New Year17:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Could you reopen this? If it were just a discussion of keep or delete, I think the close would be appropriate, but there's discussion of redirecting it to a couple of places. We may or may not build consensus for those, but the discussion should be able to run its course. --BDD (talk) 20:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
BDD - I forgot to include the rest but the nominator's been nominating all of these and all have been obvious Keeps so despite the lack of !votes I assumed this would go the same way, Anyway I'll reopen, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk20:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah nope that shouldn't of been closed as Snow Keep, Anyway I've opened it up, Thanks for coming here first :), Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk21:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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No problemo. Actually, I'd bet that most people don't select their own user page links from their signature, since links to them are atop pages. Cheers, North America100014:16, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Exactly ... It'll teach me for having an Xmas sig as had I not used it I would never of needed to change it , Hopefully I've fixed them all now ... If I haven't tough luck , Thanks again for spotting that! :) –Davey2010Talk14:58, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
What are you Bollocksing about ? , Probably talks a whole load of trash too! , Haha no worries - It easily relates to me lol, I actually nearly supported the Miss Earth thing too but that was purely because of that image ... but not everyone likes my WP:HOTTIE (yet to be created!) !votes so I had to Oppose :( –Davey2010Talk15:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I think images at TAFINOM helps to make the page more fun or interesting for people. Otherwise, it's just another boring board page. If I were to nominate Shit, I'd skip the image, though. North America100015:53, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Exactly it brightens the board up in more ways than one , Haha probably a good idea although I'm sure those who enjoy Coprophilia probably wouldn't be best pleased! .... ,
Don't you dare add HOTTIE there! , I follow IAR anyway so If It got added I would just imagine that page doesn't exist .... It's worked for everything else here so far , Wow that's a good section there - See what would we do without you ... :) –Davey2010Talk16:10, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Haha why thank you , Well thanks for the great discussion here - I feel like I've learned something but I'm not sure what , I'm seriously losing the plot!, Anyway Thanks again and well .... Happy Editing :) –Davey2010Talk16:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
In response to Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, this editor has reverted an edit I made which I believe was in full adherence to both WP:BLP and WP:SPS. In this particular case an actress stated on her Twitter page that she had retired. The post did not mention anyone else except her. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz deleted this info along with with other contributions, which I in hindsight realise did not fully adhere to WP:SPS as some other Twitter comments inserted in other places of the article involved other people. The relevant piece of information, however, was thrown out "with the bathwater" so to speak. Despite repeated attempts of reaching out to him on his talk page for clarifications in a civil and polite manner, Hullaballoo Wolfowitz not only refuses to answer, but incessantly carries an rude and insulting tone while also deleting my request for clarifications. If one agrees to be an editor, shouldn't one also be responsibility for motivating one's decisions as well as conducting oneself professionally in a civil manner? i don't think it's too much to ask for, is it?Holanthony (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
(Ah I HW beat me to reverting you by a mere second - Had I known HW beaten me to it I wouldn't of left the message), Anyway If you have an issue with him then take it to the WP:Great Dismal Swamp - Sorry that's the best advice I can give, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk02:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I don't have a rationale at all .... I simply noticed it was up for 3 weeks and assumed A.) another relist would only gain more keeps and B.) You wouldn't notice the close .... Would you like it relisted/reopened ? . –Davey2010Talk20:52, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
James Allison - Not sure if you've noticed but I've opened and relisted the AFD for you...... The above comment was a joke although it would be great If I could charge that amount :P, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk17:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The C of E I should probably admit I did keep some of my comments to myself .... It's pretty much why I deserted it after a week , Although had I been aware of the anagram thing I'd imagine things would've got alot worse , Anyway thank you for the barnstar :) - Very much appreciated, –Davey2010Talk16:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Northamerica1000 - Ahh I see what you've done, I assumed "Gokarna, India § Beaches" was the actual link.... Probably should've tested the link first!, Thanks for notifying me anyway :), –Davey2010Talk20:57, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Northamerica1000 - Ahhh right, You have to remember I'm not the sharpest tool in the box so everything needs to be simple , I mean closing AFDs is the easiest thing in the world and I still occasionally screw up , I think I've made the same mistake sometime last year, Ah well thanks for telling me, Happy editing :) –Davey2010Talk21:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Up to you, but in my opinion your early closures are generally a good thing, and in many cases could be done even earlier but for silly rules. Too many articles get nominated which are obviously notable and keeps but end up there being the subject of petty disputes. Anything which reduces the time wasting is a good thing, and i've noticed your name on numerous occasions being one of the most positive aspects of AFD. So don't let them deter you, but as some of them say, remain ""Sybil" ;-)♦ Dr. Blofeld18:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Dr. Blofeld, Thanks for your comment at ANI - Quite honestly It was the only thing that made me not retire!,
For well over a year I've closed AFDs a day early and not one person's cared (I'd say only a good handful have had an issue with early closes and for most of them editors I've reopened and relisted for them!) .... No doubt the next time I close something early some idiot will take me to ANI so it's not worth the hassle - Ironically I've seen someone taken to ANI over relisting too much so we don't win!... but there we go!,
The whole "civility" thing on Wikipedia is a steaming pile of horseshit anyway. As has been demonstrated on countless occasions, the enforcement of "civility" by most admins is based purely on random choice or personal whim, rather than any genuine reason, moral code or system. The same people that will drag User:X to AN/I or block User:X have no qualms about being impolite, rude, insulting, discourteous or disrespectful when it suits themselves. The mighty leader is but one example... Fuck em. Doff your cap every so often, and go about your business ;) Keri (talk) 20:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Exactly!, It's all a bloody joke to be honest, We all swear, We all get annoyed and angry at times it's natural but whatever what's done's done there's no point moaning about it , Best to just shove it under the carpet and move on! :) –Davey2010Talk20:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Master of Puppets - I have a tendency to get annoyed easily here and IRL so when you tell someone to move on and they come back for more badgering ofcourse I'm going to get annoyed ..... Obviously I didn't mean it but anyway I'll try and cut the colourful language ... Somehow . –Davey2010Talk23:44, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I can appreciate that real life can be stressful, but, if you're unable to control your emotions on Wikipedia, you will face consequences. For the time being, I'd suggest you apologize to RedRose64 for the outbursts if you haven't already. In the future, if you find yourself feeling 'annoyed' or 'badgered', may I suggest walking away from the computer for a few minutes instead of being uncivil? m.o.p23:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Although I don't tell anyone to FO IRL I do get annoyed and lose my patience rather easily with things ... I would love to to change but it's never going to happen but anyway even I realize my language lately is a bit much so I'll try and stop ..... Suppose I could invent a "Swear jar" but I'd be broke by the end of the week , Sad thing is tho I've had so many people want to nominate me for RFA but I've refused and you know why ? ... Me being easily annoyed/lack of patience....... Anyway I'll try & curb the colourful language, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk00:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Davey, I can't help thinking you have stumbled across User:Beeblebrox/fuck off or Eric Corbett's talk page and thought "ooh great, I'm going to tell admins to **** off now!" I sincerely hope that's not the case as that's a terrible idea that will get you enemies fast. Stick to articles. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Wow I'm surprised you'd think of me like that .... I don't enjoy telling anyone to FO and after about 30 minutes I usually regret it so nope that's not the case at all .... It is just a temper problem which I'm working on .... As I said on the ANI thread I'm much better now than I used to be,
People here do test your patience rather alot ... Probably too much! , To be honest they were talking to you like a complete dick but I guess saying nothing's better than going to their level and resorting to attacks & whatnot, I guess I just need a lot more patience , –Davey2010Talk16:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Fram, I assumed closing 2 obvious ones wouldn't really matter but in hindsight it was an extremely bad move and for that I sincerely apologize (It was never ever my intention to be disruptive here and I honestly assumed closing the obvious ones honestly wouldn't matter but I admit after yesterday It was completely wrong for me to have closed any and I genuinely promise not to close any AFDs before 7 days),
I know I said yesterday I would hold back but ... yeah I clearly didn't think it through but I genuinely promise hereon in not to close any early (even the snow ones!),
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:38, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Accept reason:
No reason to keep the block in place if the problematic behaviour stops. Please be aware that if you would return to closing AfDs early, a next block may be considerably longer and harder to get lifted. Fram (talk) 13:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
It looks like consensus is forming at ANI that the block was good. I've got a plan (assuming Fram is happy to go along with it) which is this - you agree not to do any more non-admin AfD closes at all. My advice is, "when in doubt, vote"; that's why I don't close too many AfDs but still participate in many. If you can agree to that, and the blocking admin is comfortable with it, I am happy to unblock on the strict understanding that closing any more AfDs will result in a reblock, and it'll be longer than a week next time. How does that sound? Ritchie333(talk)(cont)13:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Ritchie333, I was already answering the unblock request when I saw your post here. While your proposal is not a part of my unblock, and thus not a condition on my part to stay unblocked, I think it may be the best way forward. Fram (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Damn edit conflicts! - Fram - I ended up waffling on but basically said If I did it again I would expect a much longer deserved block but don't worry I'll never close one early again! (and thank you for unblocking me .... I probably don't really deserve it but you're an extremely kind admin and I won't let you or ANI down!)
Ritchie333 - To be fair we all make mistakes and the early closure thing was a mistake which wouldn't be repeated (I know it may seem bullshit but I love editing here and I love closing AFDs (sad I know) but anyway I do genuinely promise not to close early ... I don't expect anyone to trust me but I know the consequences If I do the opposite... Anyway thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
And to be fair, if you go to the main AfD page and click on the "closing" link, it takes to you a list of articles that were nominated 7 days earlier - including (because of UTC and time zones) some that have not served the full 168 hours. What I do, since I really like to let them run for a full 7 days: I go to the day BEFORE the "closing" list. There are usually plenty of nominations there that still need closing. --MelanieN (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi MelanieN, Has that been there all this time ? ..... And it's only took today to even notice that little box even existed! , So when you clicking and the previous date they're the ones that can actually be closed ? ... I don't wanna be reblocked so I'm treading very carefully now!, Thanks for the tip BTW :) –Davey2010Talk19:06, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome. But seriously, Davey, you DO need to work on your attitude. After the ANI, after the block, after your profuse apologies, your assurances that you understand, your promises never to do it again, after being unblocked, what is your comment when you reversed one of those 5-day closures? Seems stupid but there we are.[3] Do you think you could manage to sound a little more accepting of the rules you have agreed to follow?--MelanieN (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah probably wasn't a wise choice to add that, but IMHO the whole 7 day thing is silly .... I've never agreed with the 7 day thing and probably never will but it's one of those things I guess, I've removed that remark anyway, –Davey2010Talk19:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I was going to suggest you post at WT:Articles for deletion and propose a shorter time, but I see you have been to that page already. Yeah, there are rules and laws I don't agree with, too, but I guess accepting rules we think are stupid (and haven't managed to get overturned) is part of living in a civilized society. --MelanieN (talk) 19:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
After todays drama I think it's best I just stick to 7 instead of trying to get things changed and causing more chaos here , Strangely enough I don't really have any issues with rules or laws IRL, Meh it's better to abide by "silly" rules here than ignore them & end up blocked & god knows else what! , Anyway thanks for your advice and you're always welcome here :) –Davey2010Talk20:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar
For all your work at AfD. I just saw that there's been criticism about your AfD closes, but I wanted to let you know your work is appreciated. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:39, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks NinjaRobotPirate that really does mean alot so thank you :), It's just a shame that now I'm banned from closing early it means everything has to drag on and be relisted to death just for the sake of policy, Well the WP:IAR part didn't last very long!, Anyway thanks for the barnstar :), –Davey2010Talk23:50, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Wazzup Davey? Per your comments at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion § Closures, an easy way to determine UTC time is to use a clock. I use the one at right on my user page. To see the most recent time post, purge the clock by selecting "refresh" on it. You have to convert the 12h format to 24h format, though. Hope this helps. "We are always running for the threele of it, threele of it..."North America100017:53, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Wazzzzup Northamerica1000!, How you doing today me ol' mucker ?, Ah that's a great idea ... At the moment I tend to use the laptop clock so I guess a clock here is better, I can honestly say life was so much much simpler when I closing a day early! , Having to close near to a nominators timestamp isn't the easiest thing in the world especially when you see one's you think are fine to close, ... Ah the joys!, Anyway thanks for the little tip - Very much appreciated :) –Davey2010Talk18:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Probably shouldn't admit it but I actually prefer the 12hour clock .... I prefer the simple things in life! , Anyway thanks again, –Davey2010Talk18:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi SSTflyer - I know it's all confusing but all AFDs need to run for the full seven days .... so basically they shouldn't be closed on the seventh day .... Instead they should be closed on the eighth day .... Does that make sense ? ...,
So if today was the 27th Jan then the 19th log only needs closing, 28th jan is 20th, 29th jan is 20th etc etc
You're welcome Brianhe, I'm surprised you got as many Opposes as you did but hey that's Wikipedia for ya!, Anyway Happy editing & Good luck for future RFAs (if you even run for them again ofcourse). –Davey2010Talk03:04, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Dave, I see you have suggestions from SuggestBot coming on your talk page from time to time. How do you tell the bot to post suggestions on your page? I used the one on its page for my page, it sent me one suggestion and wiped out the code to tell it to post suggestions on my page from my talk page. Thanks. Class455fan1 (talk) 22:19, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Class455fan1, Oh god I got the code around 2014 so would have no idea now, I get 2 sent every month, Did you want 2, 3 or 1 every month and I'll copy my code to your page :), BTW hope all's well :) , –Davey2010Talk23:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Dave, I want it thrice a month (or twice a week if possible). Everything is going well, how about you? Thanks for your help! Class455fan1 (talk) 07:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Class455fan1, Weekly may not work as the bot collects over a 100 of your edits to make the suggestions I think, Anyway I'll change it to weekly but if you don't get them weekly you'll probably have to go back to monthly, No worries you're welcome :), Yeaaah everything's going alright I suppose }. –Davey2010Talk15:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
@Wikicology: pinged me a bit too late on Hannah Daniel AfD to contribute, but I wanted to say that confusing the OR in GNG or Subject-NG for AND is really common -- I caught myself doing that in a rewrite of WP:PROF just a few months ago. Thanks for the quick reverse! -- Michael Scott Cuthbert(talk)17:38, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Mscuthbert, The most embarrassing part is I've assumed it for the best part of 3 years .... Meh to be fair this place is a constant learning curve for everyone, Anyway it's great to know I'm not the only one to confuse both here , Anyway thanks & Happy editing :) –Davey2010Talk18:04, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
If I'm updating all or converting all dates to a specific format then the template gets updated, It does say on the template "The month and year that the article was last checked for inconsistent date formatting. Example: 'June 2013'" so I guess really it doesn't need changing but If you have an issue you'd need to speak to the script owner, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk06:45, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
A recent AfD closure of yours
Hello Davey! I happened to stumble upon this Afd (I didn't watchlist or follow the page) which I think you might have inaccurately closed as part of the mass AfD closure. Would you be willing to reconsider? Thanks and regards—UY ScutiTalk11:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi UY Scuti, My apologies for that - somehow that one was closed when I mass closed the rest so I've obviously reverted, Thanks for letting me know, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk15:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I undid most of your "tidying" because it contradicts citation style. The |website parameter is functionaliy identical to |work, which designates the title of the work cited, and renders it in italics to comply with style guides for titles of works. The publisher of the work is not the work per se, but the company that publishes it; the publisher of the work BBC News is the BBC. BBC News is not the publisher. ViperSnake151 Talk 03:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi ViperSnake151, Oh sweet lord I've well & truly screwed up now! .... I assumed the script was infact fixing them but reading all the cite stuff again it seems I've been doing more harm than good! Ah well thanks for reverting & letting me knw (I've also removed the script before I end up causing a nuclear disaster! ).... –Davey2010Talk04:09, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks for pointing out how forgetful I can be - I hadn't realised I'd done anything other than comment at ORCP thank you for the comments though -- samtartalk or stalk15:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Marchjuly, Yep if an article is redirected to a section where it's wikilinked then it should be delinked... otherwise you'll be going in circles lol :) Thanks, –Davey2010Talk04:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Olatunde, Sorry for the extremely delayed reply - The Echo system is completely useless as always!,
Anyway thanks for invitation - that's really nice of you ... but unfortunately I've never written an article in my life so I can't really judge someone elses work when I've not done any myself if that makes sense, Plus my grammer & punctuation isn't great so IMHO in the nicest way I'd probably be more of a hinderance than a help so I'm afraid I'll have to decline,
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Probably the most ridiculous thread to ever be made here!, I'm closing this before we all say shit we're gonna regret,
The removal of whitespaces and the tidying of headings has never been an issue in the 2 years of me doing it - Although it doesn't change the rendered text etc I still believe my edits are helpful and If anyone really had an issue it would've been raised much sooner ... like 2 years sooner!,
As an aside millions of editors do this sort of work and I assume no one's ever had an issue with them, and last but not least - I'm not commenting on the ARBCOM case but my edits aren't controversial in any sense of the word so therefore I will carry on with my minimal help and I would suggest if anyone has issue with it they drag my backside to ANI or the joke that is Arbcom, Now can we all move on and actually contribute to the encyclopedia in our little ways as opposed to this?, Thanks!. –Davey2010Talk19:31, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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This is purely my personal opinion, not official WP policy or guideline or even an essay—but speaking strictly personally, I would like to ask you to refrain from edits that do not affect the rendered text, such as
this edit
that you made to
Windows 7 .
Specifics:
It is a habit with many to hit the space bar at least once after every period, even if the period is at the end of a paragraph. There is no effect on the rendered text, so no reason to remove it.
In headings such as == Text == , it doesn't matter whether there are spaces between the equal signs and the heading text. The spaces don't affect the rendered text.
Note that if a particular style of using whitespace or newlines or etc. in the wikitext is considered an "optional style", then changing them purely for personal preference is contrary to an Arbcom ruling.
I'm not reverting these changes (although as I work on the article in the future it may well be "migrated" back to my preferred style) and I certainly am not going to bring any "cases" anywhere.
The reason I'm leaving you this note is to ask you to consider: While such edits do not affect the text seen by the reader,
they do increase editor workload.
They complicate the editing history of the article and make diffs between versions more time-consuming to go through.
Many of these changes, particularly removal or addition of individual spaces, can be difficult to see and evaluate in the diffs display.
This can sometimes cause a lot of wasted time and effort for later editors trying to figure out what a previous edit has done.
All because of edits that do not improve the article for the reader, not in the slightest detail.
Thank you for considering this suggestion. I realize you are acting in good faith to improve the encyclopedia as you see it, but please consider that you are making unnecessary work for those who follow you. Jeh (talk) 17:19, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
There's no need for whitespaces on any article... and I tidy the headers as yeah it does look tidier and as far as I'm aware is generally preferred over == X == , I disagree they don't complicate anything whatsoever - Infact the removal of whitespaces and the header tidying is actually helpful here and IMHO I do believe I'm improving the encyclopedia although not much (Compared to content creators etc I barely do fuck all but I like to think my edits here are actually helpful to everyone even if it's minimal help).... So I'll carry on but thanks for your opinion/suggestion. –Davey2010Talk17:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I've been doing these edits for well over a year and not one person's ever had an issue so clearly it doesn't annoy anyone and unlike Richards edits these aren't controversial nor annoying!. –Davey2010Talk18:45, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
My impression is that Davey is being told that such edits are annoying. This has not bothered me directly – I just happened to see this conversation on my watchlist. My point in commenting is to warn Davey that he risks getting the same treatment as Rich. I'm not familiar with the exact details though so it may be helpful to have him explain. Andrew D. (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
These are the least annoying edits anyone can ever make and out of the 500000 of these edits ever made only one person apparently has an issue with it so therefore my edits aren't annoying to most and my impression is they're more helpful than a hinderance (If people legit had an issue I'm sure they would've said something much sooner and it certainly would've been more than one person!. There's absolutely no risks with my edits as I'm not changing ENGVAR .... I'm removing whitespace/tidying headers .... hardly worth the fuss and drama over!. –Davey2010Talk19:04, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Andrew D. I would be very careful in ascribing the reasons for sanctions unless you are in possession of all the facts.
However I would advise Davey that making edits which do not change the rendered article does risk attracting unwelcome consequences. I am glad that you have not been in any conflict over this to date, that is not a guarantee for the future.
Hi Gareth, Thanks!, You'd seriously think people would have much better things to do in their spare time but there we go!, How are you anyway :). –Davey2010Talk19:04, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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I think it was a reasonable concern to raise. The article creator has a username that indicates a strong identification with Christianity and a user page and contributions almost entirely about Christian music. The editor who pinged other editors also has a userbox identifying them as Christian, and the list of people pinged includes a user whose username is literally a sentence about loving Christian music and several other editors who have userboxes identifying them as Christian. Seriously, you call that being a loon? I made every effort to be civil about voicing my concern and made no accusations of ill intent, and in fact several times made clear that I was NOT intending to make such accusations. Given that help is needed at AfD, why would you want to be incivil to someone who is trying to help? valereee (talk) 09:32, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Valereee - You said and I quote "I'm a little concerned that everyone pinged to this article seem to be members of the Christian music project - To me you're saying you believe every !voter above you was a member all because they !voted Keep? .... or am I missing something here?, TCB hasn't (as far as I can see) pinged anyone either?, If you don't wanna be called a loon then it's probably a good idea not to act like one isn't it? –Davey2010Talk16:51, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Davey, I don't know if I'm allowed to ask you this or not but I will anyway, what do you think of the page Clarawood. I need another opinion. CDRL102 (talk) 13:04, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi CDRL102 - The images need to be shrunk and that text is waaay to promotional, My best suggestion would be to go to WP;AFC otherwise this'll ended up deleted me thinks, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:09, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
CDRL102 - To be absolutely honest I was going to AFD it myself but as you've edited it quite alot and have asked what improvements should be made I think it would've been dickish of me to just AFD it hence suggesting AFC .... but yep personally I think AFD is the best option for this, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:26, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
BTW Sorry for not replying earlier - What with the ANI crap I ended up forgetting to reply to you, Anyway I'll shut up now! , Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Bosley John Bosley - What's Assume Faith Good ? .... That's new to me!....., Anyway what's there to explain ? .... You wanted to let ANI know your keyboard wasn't working .....Maybe you wasn't trolling but either way it didn't belong on there. –Davey2010Talk02:28, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Graemp, I'm not sure why these were never closed as I'm sure I went through the entire log, Anyway I'll look through their AFD nominations on Labs to make sure I've got them all, Thanks for the heads up, –Davey2010Talk15:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Apart from one amendment to one outcome there wasn't any more to be closed... So it looks like they've all been closed at long last :), Anyway thanks for the heads up, –Davey2010Talk15:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Emelianenko has stated in interviews that he's of Russian ethnicity. I added it to the article, with references. I fail to see how that's "edit warring," or why you tried to revert me? Since when is it not relevant to write ethnicity in the "early life" section?
The talk page is important, and if there were a place to disagree or argue, I'd go there. However, think about it! Emelianenko has stated that he's of Russian ethnicity, there's nothing to debate, it's a fact. So I added it to the article, with references (numerous references, in fact). The person who reverted me had no reason to revert me! I have no idea who he is, but I make sure that mine are referenced and relevant.
Have you seen his edit summary when reverting me? "Undo POV pushing edits. This isn't an article about the Ukraine, Russia or politics, it's about an MMA fighter." That doesn't even make sense! I added information that he refused to fight under a Ukrainian flag when making a PRIDE debut. However, that's also a referenced fact, I'm not trying to push a POV there. It's relevant as the organisation had to change the rules for him. And yet he not only removed that, but all of my edits, which included the part about being of Russian ethnicity.
Sorry I had't actually realized you sourced the info, I'm not sure what his beef is but I've accepted the revision - If he does revert for some stupid reason just go to the talkpage - Ips are't exactly liked here so admins tend to block IPs even if they're right so regardless of whose right or wrong it's probbaly best to go there so you can say atleast you made an effort!, Anyway waffling on...., I've accepted the revision anyway :)
I think someone has gotten the impression that I'm the one edit warring, and reverts me without actually trying to understand the situation (he has neither commented on the content nor on the talk page).
As you're an admin, can I request for your intervention on the article?
God damnit Northamerica1000, I should've known that was coming and yet still click it obliviously , There's a discussion at ANI about you, You should probably click here to see the thread, I'm not lying NA1k I'd never do that –Davey2010Talk13:40, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Could I be unblocked please?, I promise to edit war more often, be uncivil more often, Call Jimbo a pillock[7] more often and if that doesn't persuade you then I promise to report every editor on the site for no apparent reason.... I'll even take the "Unblocker" to ARBCOM just for unblocking me.... –Davey2010Talk14:08, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm fully inclined to unblock you, but feel it would only be fair to get input from other editors first. Also you haven't mentioned your lack of vandalism - I feel this needs to be addressed as well. Optimist on the run (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Optimist on the run - How can I forget the vandalism, I'll go on a vandalism spree as well, I'll vandalize every article here and then I'll use AWB to create more chaos and once completed that I'll then rollback every editor and admin (including WMF) on the site too, Even reports at VP & ANI .... I'll rollback the lot, I feel my actions above overall are an improvement to the project and would go far as to say I'd be an asset to the project . –Davey2010Talk18:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Arr thanks Optimist on the run!, I have to admit I've actually made myself laugh aswell , Well I suppose it's something different .... The only tricky part is that I'll have to come up with something different and better next year , Anyway thanks for the barnstar - Very much appreciated :), Have a great day, –Davey2010Talk21:57, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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While this may look like an obvious Keep result, none of the editors at the discussion has provided any policy-based rationale that adequately addresses the notability concerns of the article. Of the 4 sources in the article, only 1 source is about the article topic. I would recommend you to revert your closure and relist the discussion. SSTflyer08:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi SSTflyer, To be absolutely honest I'm not sure why I'd closed it as you're right none of the !votes (bar one) seemed to make any sense ...., Anyway have reopened & listed for you :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Weronika Rosati
Hi, I am in the process of expanding this article and I desperately need your help. I started to write about a legal case and I find it really difficult to write about this matter, becuase English is not my first language and when it comes to use specialist terminology I struggle, so I hope that you can help me. I have written everything and all I need you to do for me is to read it through and simply correct my mistakes, grammar etc., I'll be grateful. Thanks in advance.
"Esther, one of the characters in Żuławski's book Nocnik, was allegedly based on Rosati and described their intimate relationship. In 2010, the actress filed a lawsuit against Żuławski and the book's publisher, and claimed 200 000 PLN, public apology for the invasion of her privacy and the deprivation of her dignity as a woman, and to stop the violation of her personal rights by withdrawing the book from sale. In February 2014, Żuławski and the book's publisher have been ordered by the district court in Warsaw, to pay 100 000 PLN to Rosati and release a public apology for the possibility of associating the actress with the book's fictional character and therefore assigning her abusive and false features. The defendants launched an appeal, however, in May 2015 they lost the appeal and the verdict from February 2014 has been upheld by the appeal court in Warsaw."
Hi ArturSik, I should probably admit I'm not perfect with grammar etc, I haven't spotted any mistakes but It's probably best you ask Ritchie333 who knows more about this than me, Sorry I couldn't be of much help, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk03:30, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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May I ask why you removed the "official site" from an article that was reviewed, and permitted by an Admin? You can't override an Admin's permission, you don't have the authority. Thank you (Mona778 (talk) 01:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC))
I've removed her official site as it only includes a massive image of herself and about 4 links to social media sites ..... Kinda pointless to include, The link was probably not checked by any admin and anyone can add and remove a link ... doesn't need to be permitted by any admin, If an admin's unhappy with me removing the useless link I'm sure they'd let me know ..... Thanks, –Davey2010Talk02:13, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
@Mona778: My antivirus doesn't like the website, malicious attack warning, though it could be wrong. With two issues being raised now: removing it, at least for the time being, seems to be the best option at this point.—Godsy(TALKCONT)05:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Godsy - Ah I didn't have any warnings about the site, If it does contain a virus then it obviously shouldn't ever be included (well not until it's removed/fixed anyway), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:23, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Drmies, No worries it's all good, I admit the joke part at the end wasn't ideal but I was trying to I guess lighten the mood abit, It was never my intention to offend the blockee nor joke around but I apologize anyway, Thanks for the beer :) –Davey2010Talk03:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I commented on the IP's talk page here. Next attempt I'm going to request semi-prot and also raise an ANI report for BLP, DIDNTHEAR, and NOTHERE. Jeh (talk) 17:07, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jeh, Me thinks the article's gonna need protecting as I won't be surprised if they return at some point to revert, I wasn't aware they've vandalized it previously hence the recent comment, Anyway I've given them a final warning which I'm sure will make all the difference!, –Davey2010Talk17:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
If you look at the tabs above most talk pages (IME) you'll see a tab with a + sign between the "Edit" and "View history" tabs. That's for "start a new section". This may be a setting in your preferences. No biggie.
Re the IP, the previous attempts make their intentions quite clear, and no amount of wrapping it in "lots of memes said..." is going to erase that. Jeh (talk) 18:09, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
As far as I can recall I've never seen that so either I've disabled something or you've perhaps enabled something, I have no idea sorry,
I haven't checked the IPs talkpage until now and didn't even know they'd vandalized the article, I just assumed the meme thing was their first edit, Ah well thanks anyway, –Davey2010Talk18:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
A pie for you!
Hi D. I know you are busy editing other things so I wanted to drop this pie off so you can either savor it or use it instead of a trout to slap my with for the total screwup that I made on the talk page earlier today/night. Cheers MarnetteD|Talk03:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Marnette, Arr thank you :), I would never ever trout you .... even if you done something extremely bad ... I still wouldn't :), Thanks for the pie it was lovely :P, –Davey2010Talk14:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
You got your wish. The page is locked and all those Nine Inch Nails, Puddle of Mudd and Megadeth references that were for some reason bugging you have been taken out of the page. Your wish was their command. 86.46.226.231 (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi MarnetteD - I have no idea who they are, Since July last year they've been changing the episode summaries on Friday DOwnload to incorrect stuff (IE Marilyn Manson, "Molly Ringwald" etc), I really have no idea how this could be stopped...., Cheers, –Davey2010Talk17:12, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Forgot to say sorry for the long delay - Was binge-watching IZombie :), Anyway problem is tho is that when that article's protected they'll then change IPs and move to a new article and someone could take their edits as legit .... I'm wondering if somehow blocking their IPs is the best solution here?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:17, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) No worries at all D. Binge watching should always take precedence :-) I know that range blocks are possible but I don't know the details. Also a list of the IPs is needed to for any admins to determine whether one is feasible. Your vigilance in dealing with this is a boon to WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk17:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Keri RBI is fine as far as it goes. It does not address the situation when the same person editing from a new IP enters fake info in an article that is not on an actives editors whatchlist. MarnetteD|Talk17:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Marnette -Haha very true :), Ah right well getting them would be pretty much impossible,
Keri - That's kinda the point tho .... The moment they're blocked they're back with a new IP .... So It's harder to block and certainly impossible to ignore ... especially when it's been going on for nearly a year but anywho noted. –Davey2010Talk17:37, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
ScoopWhoop AfD
Wow. That was fast. I think it was clearly headed toward keep, too. I provided my own sources and I !voted that way. But to do a non-admin closure [8] on an AfD that's only been open 13 hours seems unfair to the nom, who might have been given a little more time to retract the nomination on his own, and to be rushing things. An AfD normally goes 7 days. However foregone the outcome, was there some urgency here? I don't think you've done anything clearly wrong, but I think your judgement could have been better. Msnicki (talk) 19:57, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Haha I don't waste time! , It was evident the nom hadn't followed BEFORE as seeing as there was sources provided, I'm not being dragged back to ANI so I'll just reopen it, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't think you were ever risking a trip to ANI but I did think you might leave some hurt feelings with the nom. I think you made a good choice. Thanks. Msnicki (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Msnicki - You'd be surprised at the amount of times I've been dragged there all over stupid reasons so didn't wanna give anyone another reason! , BTW I wasn't trying to say you would - I meant someone overall :), Anyway thanks for asking first :), Cheers, –Davey2010Talk21:09, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Sam, Yeah not too bad thanks how's you?, I use the AFD script so it obviously should've removed & added them for me, I check the AFDs after every close but never the articles/talkpages as usually an error happens around once a year or every other year so seems stupid to check every single one , Anyway thanks for removing & adding them for me - Much appreciated,
I believe you are right that User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD2.js works well most of the time. Personally I usually check that it did what was expected of it. A quicker alternative would be to Ctrl + ⇧ Shift + y to see that the script at least touched both article and article talk, although it's not a 100% guarantee. Personally I have no problem fixing things like this, after all we run around covering each other's back all day here. But we also know that there's the odd wanker who will oppose at RfA for the most silly things. See you around, Sam SailorTalk!17:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Not sure why but Ctrl, Shift & Y doesn't do anything ? ... not entirely sure what it's meant to do lol, This place has gone to shit and it's only getting worse so I don't plan on running for RFA anytime soon, I'll save the rest of my rant for my little head lol, See you around mate, –Davey2010Talk18:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
It's Monday - Everyone's usually half asleep on Monday lol, That's pretty cool I think I'll use that more often! - Thanks for the little tip :), –Davey2010Talk19:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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Nothing inappropriate about it - You closed the AFD as No Consensus and then redirected it 3-4 hours later even when half of the !votes at the AFD were Merge/Redirect anyway ....., All articles where the nom wants to merge or redirect end up at AFD so it's set in stone if you like, Either way the only inapropriate actions so far are yours .... –Davey2010Talk16:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
In theory Merges should be discussed on the talkpages however some editors send the article to AFD and suggest Merging which is fine. –Davey2010Talk16:27, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Linguist111 - You should never ever close an AFD in which you've participated in - That's the first rule of AFD here , No worries we all make mistakes :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Cryptic, Ah sorry I meant I don't like these templates - I don't mind those notification-type ones you send :), Ah okay thanks - I feel awful now as I noticed this this morning but assumed it was the standard template which is kinda why I ended up going to Commons etc, Anyway thanks for the personalized message & for the heads up :) –Davey2010Talk18:47, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
This account has continued to vandalize articles today: See this. You already gave them a "last" warning, so I'll leave it up to you to obtain the block. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Whpq, In layman's terms could you please explain why you've nominated the file ? .... All 3 of the presenters don't have images here so I'm not sure how they can be replaced? ....., thanks, –Davey2010Talk23:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
The reason I nominated the file is because I believe that it fails to satisfy Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria point 1, "No free equivalent". In particular, this image is an example of unacceptable use as outlined in Wikipedia:Non-free content#Unacceptable use for images example #1, "Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing". It's not sufficient that a non-free image does not exist or cannot be found. It must also be the case that a non-free image cannot be created. In the case of living people, it is almost always the case that a free image of the living person could possibly be created. I hope that explains why I made the nomination. BTW, a free image does exist for Ortis Deley. See File:Ortis Deley.jpg. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 13:51, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Whpq - So basically what you're saying is there should be individual and free images of the presenters instead of this image ? Sorry I've never understood any of this and am just about getting my head around it all ,
Ahhh right, Looking through the images here I've realized there isn't any "presenter" images, It makes sense ... (after rereading it 20 thousand times! , Thanks for your help & patience Whpq - Much appreciated, –Davey2010Talk19:56, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Even though the consensus, so far, was pretty heavily "delete", you closed this by moving the article to Manhunt International 2013, which does not solve any of the article's problems. May I ask why? Since the article on Manhunt International says the last competition was in 2012, this article is probably a hoax whether set in 2013 or 2014. ubiquity (talk) 13:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay so I found the page Koshi Bird Observatory, which you put that the afd was voted to be a redirect last month, yet it is still there, and not a redirect to anything! Wanted to point this out!Wgolf (talk) 17:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Wgolf, I'm not sure what happened there, I'm assuming I forgot to put the target in when I closed, Anyway all fixed now, Thanks for letting me know :), Cheers, –Davey2010Talk18:02, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
That fake RfA was probably by a sock of Diamese (talk·contribs). He does lots of nuisance edits like that. You probably reverted vandalism by one of his socks and caught his attention. He usually goes after me or McGeddon, but I guess now he likes you better. Well, whoever it was, at least you got a bit of excitement in your day, right? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:25, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Ah right, I wasn't sure if it was a sock or simply a troll, Oh great I'd rather he didn't like me , Haha true –Davey2010Talk12:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Marnette is wrong. As I commented at their talk page, my comment was posted well before the close, and caught up in a confict with Ponyo's comment. There's no justification for removing a comment in those circumstances, and it's certainly not policy. My phone rang, I clicked "save page" and answered it, had to deal with some urgent family business, and didn't immediately see the edit conflict. So please restore my comment, which I do intend to refer to in a related discussion, and simplify that one. Also note that Mrnette reoved the relevant comment from their talk page with a rude edit summary. Comments that are lost before a close not only may be reinstated, but should be. (And, according to my phone, the incoming call came about four minutes after Ponyo's edit, nearly an hour before the close. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 20:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that and I appreciate you're fucked off however it's the way AFD is - I've more than once had edit conflicts with closures but I've shrugged it off & moved on which with the greatest of respect is what you should be doing despite the background to it, As I said if you made it (or edit conflicted with it) 5 minutes after I wouldn't care but 20 minutes is way to long and seeing as It was deleted your !vote wouldn't make a blind bit of difference would it ?, If we allowed everyone to post after AFDs it'd be anarchy and probably extremely confusing!, –Davey2010Talk21:10, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Davey for nominating those ESC redirects that you came across (Esc2001, Esc2003, and Esc2017). I agree that they shouldn't be made and assuming that the creator of them isn't fully aware of the redirect procedures. I also came across more of them, Jesc 2010 and Jesc 2011. I have a feeling there will be more for all ESC, JESC and maybe even the Turkvizyon contests that will need mass RfD-ing. Wes Mouse✒09:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Just got in so sorry for the extremely late reply - No worries Wesley Mouse, I think you're right it's just a case of the creator having no idea, I've noticed the JESC ones too but wasn't sure if they're the same as ESC ones ?,
I think those are the only ones, to be honest. I looked for more and couldn't find any. Bit strange that that they don't really follow on in chronological order, they're very sporadic. I've not checked for any TSC (Turkvizyon Song Contest) though. But it might be an idea to merge all of the nominations into one, and then if we do find more before the discussion is closed, then they can be added to the list. Wes Mouse✒15:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I wish they were in order it'd make life easier, I have merged the ESC2001 & 2003 and now the 98 one but What I plan to do is write down all of the JESC (or remaining ESC) ones and then hopefully come Saturday I'll nominate the lot as a bundle .... Tthat's the plan .... whether it'll work is another matter entirely , Anyway thanks for your help(& votes! :) ), –Davey2010Talk17:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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How has it been, Dave? I took a break when the real life took a toll on me. I am back though and thought of checking in. I hope everything is alright! :) Yash!20:41, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Yash!, I'm so sorry I completely missed this!, Haha same here - It's stressful in real life and then you come here and your stress levels go through the bloody roof! , Yeah I'm okay thanks how's you :), Welcome back btw :) –Davey2010Talk13:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Davey2010, why did you decline my rename request and revert my edits on this file? The species identification mistake here is obvious and non-controversial...--LamBoet (talk) 07:36, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi LamBoet - I apologize as I originally assumed you were a troll/vandalizing so my apologies for that, How do you know the butterfly is a "Argynnis aglaja" and not a "Boloria selene" - Is there any differences between the 2 ?,
Obviously I have no idea about butterflys so I need to make sure I know what you're suggesting's correct,
That's OK, if you are not familiar with butterflies, I understand that it is not so obvious. If you want to convince yourself, you can compare this B. selene[9] to this A. aglaja[10]: you will find differences e.g. in general wing shape (more rounded for selene), marginal markings (selene doesn't have a double marginal line) and many other details.
You would be suprised at the percentage of identification errors among wikimedia.org insect pictures, and this one is just an easy one... --LamBoet (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
LamBoet - Oh god that's even more confusing , Well I'm putting all my trust in you being correct so I'm hoping you are but anyway so I'll move it over for you :) –Davey2010Talk12:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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Considering the article went years with just the boxing infobox and considering the section of the manual of style WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE says "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." if anybody needs to try to gain a consensus on regarding that 2nd infobox, its you or whoever initially added it.--Rockchalk71712:43, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Rockchalk717 - Well if that's the case then whoever added it should've got consensus first however I simply saw you removing it stating "it's unneeded" so ofcourse I'm going to revert but anyway to make life a fuckton easier you should get consensus on the TP, I never added it in the first place and I had no idea it was never there for a few years ....., but anyway RFC's the best choice. –Davey2010Talk14:25, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I totally understand no worries. But I agree totally with you on that but since he's died recently there's been a million edits, I don't really feel like combing through all those edits to find who did it and tell them lol.--Rockchalk71705:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Saw you added the infobox back. It was added on the 4th so it's only been up for a couple of days, and another editor edit warred with who added it initially. However, with that being said, it doesn't change the fact it is unneeded and that goes against the quote I put in on the original post I made on here because the less information it contains the better and the reason the editor added was to "add more information" therefore it directly violates it.--Rockchalk71705:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Sam Sailor, Yah I'm good thanks you okay?, Ah I assumed the nominator had removed them upon closing the AFD ? ... Anyways thanks for kindly removing them :), –Davey2010Talk14:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Vandalism
I do apologize for my lack of understanding re the AFD process. However, warning me for vandalism (when clearly there was no intent to vandalize) is really unfair. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:05, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Sportsfan 1234, I actually clicked disruptive editing but I don't think one for it and it just went with vandalism regardless of what I selected, No worries and I apologize if I came across a bit harsh but with the greatest of respect you wouldn't be happy if after closing 20 odd you then realize there's 60+ more (I didn't have to close them but if I closed 5-15 then I may aswell do the lot), Anyway it's all in the past, New day & all that :) –Davey2010Talk00:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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Every message has been merged under this one title to make life simpler, Thanks
What do you mean by RM as all non-notable & pr notguide? THEY are notable if you watch the newscast.
Notability isn't proven just by them doing their job! - There needs to be reliable sources etc but that aside we're not a directory, There's a policy/guideline somewhere that says something along of the lines of presenters lists are discouraged ... Not sure where it is and I'm currently busy at the moment. –Davey2010Talk22:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
How do we do it and by the way, it is coming off from your Italian wikipedia page of RaiNews24. Soafy (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Soafy
You actually made a mistake as I believe the journalists were there before I added in the news anchor a few months ago. Also, does video and/or forums with pictures of the news anchor in the RaiNews24 newsroom count as a source or no? Please response when you have time. Soafy (talk) 21:25, 13 June 2016 (UTC)Soafy
Hi Soafy, I'm so sorry I'd completely forgot to reply, Unfortunately pictures aren't sources either :(, There needs to be written information saying they're newscaster of RA News 24, If you can't find any written stuff then I'm afraid the list can't be added back, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:23, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Nope no forums either sorry, If any of the newscasters have tweeted they're at RA 24 then I'd allow that but actual twitter accounts aren't proof sorry –Davey2010Talk23:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Soafy - If you don't know how to cite stuff then it may be a better idea for you to find another hobby, Adding the list back can and will get you blocked, Thanks and happy editing, –Davey2010Talk13:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
@Davey2010:, So I cited some sources on the Rai News 24 pages of the directors. I was curious if these counts as sources that they work for RaiNews24
So I added in the tweets that they work for RaiNews24 but I am stuck on the title, author, and publisher. Would you please check if I did those part right? I think I messed it up. Soafy (talk) 22:46, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Soafy - You've done it correctly :) The only bit that didn't need to be added were the authors but apart from you've done it perfectly - Well done! :) –Davey2010Talk22:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Apparently, reFill caused a rather large edit conflict. It may be wise to wait to fill bare refs until the numbers of editors/edits go down. Cheers! 🖖ATS/Talk20:40, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi ATS, Oh christ, Well I'm not sure why the edit conflict page never showed .... I just hit save and it saved .... But ofcourse I won't use it until it's died down but I assumed the edit conflict page would've popped up ? (I've never used refill on a busy page before ... and don't think I will do ever again!), Anyway thanks for the heads up, –Davey2010Talk20:46, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello again sir, I just remembered long ago on the Wikipedia page of SBS Transit the Volvo B10M Mark I Van Houl was featured but was deleted. Hope that you can help! Sbs882y Sbs882y (talk) 01:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi 33ryantan, Ah that source can't be used as you're right it is a blog, Ummm my best suggestion would be to use Flickr, Technically it's not a source however it proves the bus exists and that it's with SBS .... and you're not going to get much better than that, Some editors may try and remove it tho but it's worth a shot, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk02:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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@Davey2010: I need help on TGR as I will delete the news anchor part but anyway to organize it as there are many regions in Italy. Also, there are 0 informations on the news anchor/presenters but all coming from videos I watched a few months back but got any tips to get the source? Are you reading this?
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Slackintosh AfD
You closed this as merge, but the article is unsourced and there's no mention of this at the target, nor is there a suitable subsection anchor. Could you relist this? MSJapan (talk) 23:47, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
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Gerda Arendt - My god was it last year ? ... Only feels like yesterday I'd gotten it, Time certainly flys!, Anyway thanks for the little box :), Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk16:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hahahaha thanks CookieMonster755, I thought here we go what have I done now and to my surprise it was a joke , Thanks for the trout! , Thanks and I hope you have a nice day too my friend :), –Davey2010Talk22:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Mercy Career & Technical High School
Someone overrode the two closed RM and moved it here anyway. I personally don't find "it's the school's preferred branding" to be a compelling argument. You got the mop, I'll let you deal with it. John from Idegon (talk) 03:54, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi John from Idegon - I have some bad news ... I'm not an admin!, I just saw the move, Realized they'd gone against consensus and moved it back, If you believe & is fine I have no objections to you moving it, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk04:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
My dad had a saying that seems to apply here (not pointing at you of course): "Some people could screw up a wet dream." Wait, should the period be inside or outside the quotation marks? Lol. Keep on keeping on, Davey. John from Idegon (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Davey, thought I'd update your userpage, it appears you have gone up on post counts!! Also, poke your nose in here, have AfD'd a few articles you may be interested in...
Ta for now NordicNightfury10:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Nordic Nightfury, Cool name!, Wait there's another editor called Nordic something ... Think it was "Nordic Dragon" but not sure .... Is Nordic a new thing for usernames here now ? , Anyway I'm so so so so so grateful for you updating the count and I really appreciate it .... however I've had to revert you as I only do it yearly if that, The big edit counter userbox thingy pretty much gets the same treatment, Sorry!, I do appreciate it tho it was extremely kind of you!, Thanks & Happy editing :), –Davey2010Talk16:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Duffbeerforme, When a closer relists an AFD the AFD should then be removed from that log ..... As you can see [[11]] it wasn't & I failed to see the date of the relist, I just saw 3 relists and closed it, I've reopened it again, Thanks for patiently waiting instead of reverting - It's much appreciated :), –Davey2010Talk15:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
That link won't work now but anyway it's been relisted and this time the relist succeeded! , Thanks again for waiting patiently and for your message, Cheers, –Davey2010Talk15:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
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Ah thanks Lemongirl942), There was also another discussion not long ago on another board somewhere .... might of been Village Pump but not sure, Anyway thanks for letting me know, Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk03:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) (and Lemongirl942, Let me just take this opportunity to butt in rudely and point out that that discussion was closed nearly four months ago, and like the 20 or so on the same topic over the years, its outcome (pun?) was the same. We all know that OUTCOMES is not an essay, but it is a neutral and accurate documentation of the way we handle things and how school articles benefit from special consideration as stipulated by the Founder, , evidence of 1000s of school articles hat have survived these AfDs (nominated mostly by people who don't know about OUTCOMES anyway), their exemption from A7, and the long vote by DGG, our most knowledgeable admin on notability, on one of these recent school AfDs. I know you all mean well, but having been around as the co-ord of WP:WPSCH for 8 years I'm certain that nothing will change. We obviously however, need to delete the ones that are blatant spam, but those are mainly high street cram schools rather than High schools. I wouldn't really make an issue of it, but over the last two years or so, our entire AfD and NPP systems have degenerated almost to a farce, and we need all the help we can get. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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