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Concern regarding Draft:Aberaman South

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Concern regarding Draft:Ardsley East and West

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Concern regarding Draft:Eilean Mòr, Enard Bay

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Concern regarding Draft:Eilean nam Ban

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Penhurst, East Sussex (April 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Furius was:
Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Ashburnham and Penhurst instead.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Incorporate this material into that article
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Furius (talk) 01:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@Furius: The article doesn't already exist, firstly the Ashburnham and Penhurst article is about both parishes which should be split and secondly "Ashburnham and Penhurst" doesn't exist as a civil parish anyway only as a joint council and should probably not exist. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, you're right - I was too hasty with this. I see that with other cases of joint councils we have articles for the individual constituents (e.g. Brandon and Bretford, Broughton and Milton Keynes Parish Council) and that most of the data ends up on the constituents' pages. In that case, I guess that we need to migrate most of the material from Ashburnham and Penhurst to the articles on Penhurst and Ashburnham which are currently redirects (disambiguators aren't necessary if there are no other places of the same name, which seems to be the case with both of these). Do you think that's a better way forward? Furius (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@Furius: Yes the content of the draft can be moved to the Penhurst redirect and then the draft can be redirected (and possibly history merged) since indeed it doesn't need disambiguation, you could accept the draft and then tag it to be history merged. Indeed the rest of the material from Ashburnham and Penhurst should be moved to Ashburnham, East Sussex (Ashburnham is a DAB page so disambiguation appears nessesarry) and then the "Ashburnham and Penhurst" can probably be redirected there. The confusion here is that these are 2 different civil parishes with a single council and while civil parishes (current or former) will meet WP:GEOLAND as legally recognized councils that are only councils probably don't since they probably don't satisfy WP:ORG and can probably just redirect to the largest CP they cover. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Southfields, Essex

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Concern regarding Draft:Eilean Dubh, Loch Craignish

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Concern regarding Draft:Craro Island

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Your draft article, Draft:Heybrook Bay

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Concern regarding Draft:Llanfihangel Cwmdu with Bwlch and Cathedine

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Concern regarding Draft:Forden with Leighton and Trelystan

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Pitchcombe has been accepted

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Concern regarding Draft:Hadleigh Hamlet

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Your draft article, Draft:Ford, Chivelstone

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Your draft article, Draft:Henham, Suffolk

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Your draft article, Draft:Withersdale

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Concern regarding Draft:Risca East

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Concern regarding Draft:Risca West

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Your draft article, Draft:Takeley Street

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Concern regarding Draft:Grovesend and Waungron, Swansea

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Concern regarding Draft:Clyne and Melincourt, Neath Port Talbot

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Chesters

Yeah, does make sense - sorry :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Isle of Nibon

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Oxenton has been accepted

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Concern regarding Draft:Gwehelog Fawr, Monmouthshire

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Borough of Middlesbrough

Hi again Crouch, Swale if you have a minute. The Borough of Middlesbrough page is being nominated for deletion. Would you mind popping on to the discussion page. Cheers RailwayJG (talk) 11:24, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Morton Palms

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Your draft article, Draft:Isle of Niddister

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Your draft article, Draft:Isle of Westerhouse

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Your draft article, Draft:Skerry of Eshaness

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Your draft article, Draft:Glas Eilean

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Your draft article, Draft:Isle of Gunnister

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Wolverhampton redirection

Hi Crouch, Swale again. Could I ask you to quickly pop into John B123 talk page as he has reviewed the article but redirected before a merge or AfD discussion could be had. I've also gave him a link to our discussion on the Geography page but if you check out my contributions could you spare a moment to give him any insight or myself on the article and it's categories. Cheers Crouch always appreciate your time RailwayJG (talk) 22:34, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Roddam, Northumberland has been accepted

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Your draft article, Draft:Bach Island

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Your draft article, Draft:A' Chleit

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Your draft article, Draft:Glas-leac Mòr

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Your draft article, Draft:Fraochlan

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Your draft article, Draft:Rèisa Mhic Phaidean

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Your draft article, Draft:A' Chùli

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AfC notification: Draft:Newton, Golden Valley has a new comment

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County Durham (district)

Hi Crouch, Swale just using my sandbox and had a go at a draft for the durham district article. I have also reused the redirect to the article. I was wondering if you would not mind taking a look at it just to see I have covered all bases. Cheers RailwayJG (talk) 22:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Eilean Mòr, Enard Bay

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Your draft article, Draft:Eilean Dubh, Loch Craignish

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Your draft article, Draft:Craro Island

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Your draft article, Draft:Llanfihangel Cwmdu with Bwlch and Cathedine

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Your draft article, Draft:Forden with Leighton and Trelystan

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Borough of Middlesbrough update

Hi Crouch, Swale hope you been okay. An admin relisted the Eopsid's AfD a week ago and there has been no addition or responses other then mine. So I was wondering if you would be able to or encourage the AfD to be removed as it has been a week and no consensus other then the last two times it has been discussed. Cheers RailwayJG (talk) 19:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

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@RailwayJG: I can't close it since I have !voted in the discussion and contributed to article in non trivial ways, see WP:NACINV but its likely someone will close it as keep or no consensus soon. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hopefully Crouch cheers anyway RailwayJG (talk) 12:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Hadleigh Hamlet

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Your draft article, Draft:Risca East

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Your draft article, Draft:Risca West

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Your opinion on some new unitary authority pages:

Hi Crouch, hope your doing well. I was wondering in your opinion could the following areas have a similar page to the County Durham and Borough of Middlesbrough pages?

  • [Shropshire]
  • [Blackpool]
  • [Nottingham]
  • [East Riding of Yorkshire]
  • [Liverpool]

and

  • [Manchester]

so there is a difference between for Nottingham, Liverpool and Manchester the main settlement and the wider city borough as I know Manchester does crossover into some local authorities in Greater Manchester as well as Liverpool with Merseyside. Nottingham has West Bridgford, Bulwell, Arnold and Beeston nearby. And East Riding, Blackpool and Shropshire could cover the wider boroughs like Shropshire with Shrewsbury, Oswestry, Bridgnorth and Church Stretton. East Riding with Beverley, Goole, Hessle and Bridlington and Blackpool with any outlining villages or notable settlements with civil parishes? Maybe also Derby, Leicester and Lincoln could?

RailwayJG (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG: I'm doing fine thankyou, I hope you are to. East Riding of Yorkshire and Shropshire could be split like County Durham. Blackpool, Liverpool and Nottingham are single unparished areas which as you say the settlements include suburbs that aren't in the district but the convention seems to be that we don't split, see Wikipedia:WikiProject UK subdivisions/English districts#Principals does the district contain an urban core, some inner suburbs, possibly without all its surrounding suburbs? probably this should not be split, as these tight borders are historic. With Manchester this case is different since it does include Ringway parish but I'd expect that given the complexity of Manchester and the fact that the term is usually used to refer to a larger area (namely the Greater Manchester built-up area) that splitting would likely cause more confusion but in any case a discussion would probably be needed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:30, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay Crouch thanks and will definitely look into the options thanks for your input. Regards RailwayJG (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Crouch Swale sorry to keep pinging you. I was just wondering if you had a moment could you quickly explain to an editor on the Shropshire talk page why the new page I made passes Wiki Geography if you have a chance that be great cheers RailwayJG (talk) 13:45, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG: I did so here, is there anything else I need to point out? Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Only to the editor who claims my creating of the article is ridiculous as they have been on here for 17 years and are part of Railways Shropshire. Without canvasing anything it's just for the wiki things that's it passes Crouch Swale is all. Cheers RailwayJG (talk) 11:23, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG: I think I addressed that concern by suggesting that the council article should be merged with the district article. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:30, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

That's fine Crouch, Swale I just wanted to ask you clarify it for the editor who called it ridiculous thank you and that's me saying that without sound like I'm canvasing regards RailwayJG (talk) 13:44, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Clyne and Melincourt, Neath Port Talbot

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Your draft article, Draft:Lytham, Lancashire

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Your draft article, Draft:St Annes, Lancashire

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Your move requests

I'm just letting you know that I carried out one of your move requests. However, I am not informed enough about British geography to do the other. Regards. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm topic banned from directly moving pages. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Wilstrop

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Your draft article, Draft:Baglan Moors

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Penhurst, East Sussex (July 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Clarityfiend was:
The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Ashburnham and Penhurst. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
As Furius has already suggested, this could easily be merged to Ashburnham and Penhurst.
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(talk page stalker)To be honest, Crouch, Swale, I'm not sure why you don't just create these articles directly into article mainspace, unless you're deliberately trying to show how inadequate the AfC process sometimes is ;) This village/civil parish is clearly suitable for its own article. I'm not even sure if it's appropriate to have a joint article about the two villages, apart from the tenuous reason they currently share a parish council. Sionk (talk) 12:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@Clarityfiend and Sionk: As Sionk notes the parish is clearly notable and both parishes should have their own separate articles and the joint parish article should probably be redirected to the larger one (or the district like on Commons). Clarityfiend the submission can be accepted and then history merged with the old Penhurst article and I'll move the Penhurst content from the joint parish to the draft. I have to use AFC per my editing restrictions. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:34, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I rejected it because there is a mainspace article that covers it. Whether it is appropriate to split that article is beyond my knowledge of the UK. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:26, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@Clarityfiend: There is not a mainspace article that covers this topic, Ashburnham and Penhurst covers the joint council and I've removed most of the content about it from there that I moved to the draft a while ago. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

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Could you review the Borough of Blackpool page please if you don't mind

Hi Crouch, Swale how are you? Could you take a moment to look at the new borough page for Blackpool please and tell me if it passes all the verifying stages of wiki? Cheers RailwayJG (talk) 21:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Munsley (July 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by TheBirdsShedTears was:
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
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@TheBirdsShedTears: How is it not adequately supported by reliable sources? Every statement has a citation to a reliable source. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Unclear sources. Please review WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Your added sources says nothing but TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@TheBirdsShedTears: What is unclear, although the sources may just have 1 fact per source the place passes WP:GEOLAND as a legally recognized place. There isn't generally a requirement to have pages and pages of text about a place but in any case in the listed buildings references and British History Online there is pages of text about places in the parish. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The first reference talks about Hereford, Herefordshire along with Munsley which is unclear if Munsley is a place, lake, or any other things. The 2nd reference returns with an error

The 3rd reference is displaying a map which is not sufficient at all. The 4th reference showing a piece of text

Aylton, Little Marcle, Munsley, Pixley

which makes it more questionable.

Add just 2 references than loading with pointless refs. 

TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 12:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@TheBirdsShedTears: Yes the 1st reference is just for location but the 2nd reference did used to work (until 2017) and there's no requirement that a URL is still working per WP:KDL. The source gives the population which clearly satisfies WP:GEOLAND and anyway there's a working URL here. The references in the "History" section also provides more sources that talk about its history and boundary changes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:15, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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Super Nintendo Chalmers

Hi Crouch I noticed {Super Nintendo Chalmers created a redirect without first having a concensus...was they right to do that on the County Durham (district article? I've reverted their edit RailwayJG (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)