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@Huon: what was this block for?! I mean I asked a legitimate question. I apologized for the accidental insult, I pointed out they are complaining about being proven to have violated WP:3RR. I offered advice to accept the temporary ban and learn from their mistakes and move on. My ban is completely unwarranted. Also, how was I "harassing" them? I posted the comment once, the second time was quoting it and asking how it was an ugly insult. CrashUnderride21:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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I have blocked you for comments such as this and this. I don't think that your claim that "you acting like a child during the Trump discussion" referred to Trump holds any water. Doubling down didn't help. Particularly in contentious areas such as current US politics, comment on content, not on the contributor. Huon (talk) 21:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay, read my above section. I apologized. I was talking about Trump. Also, I didn't "double down", as explained above. This block is bs. CrashUnderride21:30, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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I was blocked for "harassing another contributor" without warning. The block came after an apology was issued when I realized my comment was taken out of context as a personal attack on the contributor when it was directed at Donald Trump's behavior, which the user was exhibiting. Okay, it was a mistake on my part. However, where's the warning? I wasn't issued one and last time I checked, you were supposed to warn someone at least once. CrashUnderride21:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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Did you think that this unblock request was likely to be reviewed by an administrator who would not read the comments you posted? If not, it is difficult to imagine how you can have thought the request stood any chance of success. You clearly made an attack on another editor, and you clearly repeated that attack. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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I don't think "After reading the quote, I see how it may have been misconstrued." is much of an apology. It's not even a notpology. I do see, however, you again saying another editor is "acting childish" in that same supposed "apology". I'll leave it to another admin to decide if you can be reasonably understood to be saying that Trump was acting like a child during the Trump discussion. Also, you were here almost a decade; you are not some innocent, confused newbie. You should not need a warning to realize that personal attacks are not OK. Still I was about to merely warn you for the first comment when I saw the second. Huon (talk) 21:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
My length of time here is irrelevant. <sarcasm>Rules are rules</sarcasm> My Trump comment was referencing his consistent childish behavior, it's not like I thought he was taking part in that discussion. So, an apology doesn't mean anything nowadays? I say one thing in over 8 years on this site and I'm banned, but I see others attacking constantly and they get nothing. CrashUnderride21:56, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to contribute to a discussion on whether or not "The Girl Who Died" and "The Woman Who Lived" and "Heaven Sent" and "Hell Bent" are two-parters. Over the course of 3 weeks and 2 discussions, few editors have contributed, so it would be a great help if you could take the time to contribute. Fan4Life (talk) 17:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I would like to invite you to contribute to a discussion on whether or not "The Girl Who Died" and "The Woman Who Lived" and "Heaven Sent" and "Hell Bent" are two-parters. Over the course of 3 weeks and 2 discussions, few editors have contributed, so it would be a great help if you could take the time to contribute. Fan4Life (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
It was an anonymous user that put he's to WWE, I only added NXT. I know that he's not signed to a contract yet and that they are still working on one for Roode. Thanks Boogiesgonnagetya (talk) 12:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Artefact and artifact, jewellery and jewellery, all are correct. The issue is which is appropriate for an article. This is covered by WP:ENGVAR and at the very least we expect editors to explain changes. In this case a search through the history suggests your changes may be correct, but your rationale wasn't based on guidelines but on your mistaken belief one spelling was wrong. Doug Wellertalk19:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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@WarMachineWildThing: the way I see it, it's an interview with the subject of the article, the responses are his words, therefore RS, I would say, tends to say "yes". Because who's more reliable about things such as where the subject lives, etc. than the subject themselves? P.S. If you're not now, go ahead and watch my talk page so I don't have to ping you. :D CrashUnderride04:51, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I rerefrenced them so its all good now I think. I have ya on my watch ya don't have to ping so no worries there. When I try to archive it crashes my droid. Don't have laptop back yet.
Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
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Did you see where they post to you from the admin section and then posted right after your signature lmao, 12 yr old my ass Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk)
Yeah, I just saw that. That's how his comments are on his other talk page. lol I'm havin' a great laugh going between his asinine comments and watching Ohmwrecker, H20 Delirious, Cartoonz and BryceMcQuaid play Uno on YouTube. lol. CrashUnderride03:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Dude, they each have a video up, each one is a different match. Those are literally some of my favorite videos on YouTube. lol. CrashUnderride05:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Just leave it alone
Just leave it alone, I got set up and it worked. My credibility is destroyed, I've been made out to be a liar because I can't find the fucking consensus, it's over. Nothing more to fight for, I don't want you getting in trouble. Go fix [this] do me proud and stay out of trouble. Feel free to email me anytime, I sent ya a response to your last one. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 05:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I checked my e-mailed and apparently didn't get the one you sent me. So, I see you've removed your hiatus status on your page, you stayin'? CrashUnderride08:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I didn't see anything that was wrong, but (I don't know if you saw my comment on this already), there was discussion regarding What Culture and the fact we weren't sure if they were a WP:RS. This came about when I asked for the speedy deletion of a What Culture Pro Wrestling article that was created (poorly) after it was deleted once before. So, the removal of that source wasn't necessarily a bad call. However, I saw no action on your part that was bad. CrashUnderride08:21, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I saw, issue is what they said at culture remove and how would an IP who had only 2 edits at that time know about the WP, plus both IPs from same geo locate, I was set up. Still say IPs are someone's dirty socks. Chris"WarMachineWildThing" 08:31, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Hell no! They are just some smartass names a some heels, I would assume, called them. RfD that crap now man. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride08:30, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
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You placed a {{prod}} on Angela Rypien with the explanation "Non-notable athlete in a minor indoor football league that is basically sexy time on turf."
While you are correct that the LFL is regarded by many as "sexy time on turf." That would be completely irrelevant if Ms Rypien herself measured up to GNG.
How closely did you read the article, before you placed the prod. I thought I ensured that Ms Rypien did measure up to GNG. How about explaining why you disagree as to her not measuring up to GNG?
In particular, sports experts seemed to agree that she was a genuinely top class athlete. Because she received endorsements, she could support herself, through her work on the LFL, whereas it seems every other player on the league had to work a day job.
What RS say is what makes someone notable.
Maybe I don't need to say this, but trying to delete the article on Ms Rypien, because you have a prejudice against the LFL -- wouldn't that be a classic instance of WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Geo Swan (talk) 19:59, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
@Geo Swan: although, I do have one question, how many of the Google results and sources for the article are about her football play and not about how she's Mark Rypien's daughter and playing in the LFL? I'd like to see a fair about of them that say she's just a quarterback in the LFL and talk mostly about her career and achievements in her career and not have a full paragraph about Mark, but that's just me. Like Dale Earnhardt, Jr., not every article will mention his dad even though he is a NASCAR legend. Jr's made himself notable on his own. I hope I was able to type it out as well as it was going through my head, sometimes I have trouble with that. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride00:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I am not sure I understand what you mean by "I'd like to see a fair about of them that say she's just a quarterback in the LFL and talk mostly about her career and achievements in her career and not have a full paragraph about Mark, but that's just me."
We don't control what RS write about an individual. Within the bounds of our policy, guidelines, and long-standing conventions, the articles we maintain generally follow what RS said -- not what we'd "like to see".
I think Iridology and homeopathy are dangerous nonsense. On a personal level, I wouldn't weep one tear if we had zero coverage of these. But, I put the best interests of the project before my own personal preferences. So I'll defend anyone who can write something about Iridology or homeopathy, when their contributions neutrally summarizes genuinely authoritative, verifiable, reliable sources.
So, in this particular case, if a lot of what RS said about Ms Rypien was RS quoting or paraphrasing what her dad said about the LFL in general, or what he said about her football career, or her football talents, can you think of a policy that would bar that content? I can't. What I suggest this means is that any attempts to suppress that material would be a violation of WP:UNDUE.
In my opinion WP:NOTINHERITED is often interpreted badly. Queen Elizabeth has a large family. She is very hard working, and so are her children and grandchildren. So are a handful of her cousins, like Lord Louis Mountbatten. But she has dozens of cousins, uncles, aunts, and second cousins, who aren't hard working hard attending public events. We do cover Queen Elizabeth's children, grandchildren, and the rest of the hard-working Royals, who open hospitals, or otherwise give a symbolic presence at public events. Coverage of their public events builds there notability. The other Royals, the mere hangers-on, her aunts and uncles who don't do public events, do get some press coverage. But it is all some variant of "Queen Elizabeth hosted her aunt and uncle in her pavilion as she watched this years instance of the big ceremonial horse race." There mere presence at the event, does not make them notable. Ms Rypien and her father have other relatives: she has a wife, siblings, but we don't cover them, because a standalone article about them would lapse from WP:NOTINHERITED. She has a cousin who is also having his football career noticed. Is he at the point where his career makes him independently notable? I don't know. I just saw him in passing when I googled her yesterday. But, if he only playing at the college level, it might be appropriate to add a sentence about him to the Mark Rypien article. Geo Swan (talk) 05:41, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
@Geo Swan: well, I guess what I was meaning is along the lines of, I thought notability wasn't inherited and if he's always talking about her and her father it would be a gray area at best. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride12:23, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
If Mark Rypien merely says Angela is in the LFL, and says nothing else, that does not convey much notability. But if her dad goes on, and talks about Angela's skills, or how she is coached, how she is played, how he feels about the whole lingerie aspect -- and RS quote, summarize or paraphrase what he said -- that helps establish Angela's notability.
The world is full of boring dads, who are proud of their children, brag about those children, but RS never write about them, because, in RS's judgment, those children are boring, non-notable, without regard to what their loving dads thought. NOTINHERITED applies to them, not to children with genuine accomplishments.
I removed the link to the bio that the Dallas Cowboys had on Deji Olatoye, for 2 reasons: 1) It was very poor without any useful information (no reason to even archive it), 2) The Dallas Cowboys always remove this information as soon as they cut somebody, so it was going to become a broken link. You can check right now that it is no longer on the team's site.Tecmo (talk) 14:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh and P.S. the info's still on his bio. Yeah. Don't get me wrong, they'll most likely get rid of it at some point, but as I said, Archive.org. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride15:09, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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Dear crash underride sorry for not responding to you earlier the change that I left on Braun strowman 's page is not that important i only added cm to his height I did this because it looks better but if it bothers you then I won't change it again sorry about that. Kalgoorlierocks (talk) 11:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
@Kalgoorlierocks: actually, I reverted your edit due to the fact you removed a source, as well as not providing a new, and the fact you put it in plain text, not using the template that was there prior. Besides, the format that's used for all professional wrestler. the template you removed, displays height in feet and inches as well as meters. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride17:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh, ouch, you hurt my feelings. But, as I said in the warning on your talk page, name calling won't make you any friends. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride21:08, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, "how it looks to me," your post on my talk page was idiotic and nonsensical. Making grammatical errors like "....we when...." and misspellings like "....Rajin' Cajun....", makes it clear exactly how you look to me....and everyone else.
Bye Felicia.....Pncomeaux (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
@Pncomeaux: so, please tell me, when did I call anyone an idiot? Oh, that's right, I didn't you called me that on MY talk page. So, yeah, there's that. (I know you'll just remove this...again). (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride15:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I became concerned over your comment here, which suggests you believe that Wikipedia contributors should cowtow to admins in such simple things as formatting issues. That is not what the admin role is for, and not generally how the community is intended to run. Generally, if you see an admin make a mistake, you should treat it the same way as any other user, the only caveat being that admins are more experienced than the average user and therefore should be expected to rise to a higher standard. Admins are not gods, and never should behave that way. Regards, Samsara12:01, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
@Samsara: actually, my comment was because you were being condescending to Doug. I don't kiss admin's asses. I work with them, not tell them to "get acquainted with blah-blah policy". To be an admin, you have to have a good grasp of policies. So, your behavior is insulting to him, you're pretty much saying he doesn't know how to be an admin. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride12:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I was referencing this one (copy-and-pasted so I can't be accused of taking something out of context): "We also have WP:BB which I can highly recommend to you. The citation is stated clearly and in just the line above. If I may make another suggestion, perhaps familiarise yourself with what you are doing before pushing buttons in future. I trust that you won't make me clean up after you - thanks! Samsara 11:32, 28 September 2016 (UTC)" (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride12:07, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
(ec) It is you who are quoting out of context, as the line before it by Doug read, We have guidelines to prevent that sort of problem and I suggest you read them. (emphasis mine) Samsara12:12, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I was quoting you. Something, you said to an admin. As I said above "To be an admin, you have to have a good grasp of policies. So, your behavior is insulting to him, you're pretty much saying he doesn't know how to be an admin." So, he has a knowledge of the policies. So, yeah... (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride12:14, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't being sarcastic. I just though it was rather clever, telling an admin you don't kiss admin ass and then telling the same admin that he's being condescending! Should've been clearer the first time- this has taken over the thread! MuffledPocketed12:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Well Fortuna, a) I didn't know Samsara was an admin, b) I don't care. I just can't stand when I see someone talk down to someone like that. I mean, let's be honest, if Doug didn't know policies and guidelines, he wouldn't be an admin, so to talk to him like that is absurd to me, whether or not it comes from another admin. But hey, that's just me. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride12:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually, it's not bizarre. It's plain text in my signature. So that I didn't have to keep adding it. lol. I'd use the {{tpw}} if I were allowed to use templates. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride12:34, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I just meant, 'stalking' your own TP is bizarre ;) but I do apologise, I didn't know templates were an issue or I wouldn't have mentioned it. Cheers! MuffledPocketed12:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
@Edawnlcoughman88: they are still there. I just removed "Emond is the oldest. Coughman has one daughter who is three". That's not really necessary to have. Unless one becomes notable then it can be written as "Emond, the eldest of Coughman's children...". (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride11:02, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
@Edawnlcoughman88:Well, it's not necessary to have it the way it was, and people are free to edit the page to make it better not to suit the whimes of the "subject" if that's even who you really are. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:25, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Crash,
thanks for your links. While it seems clear to me that Matthew has used sockpuppets and has not behaved perfectly, I'm in no position to judge whether he is right in his recent insistence that certain wrestlers are not signed to a contract (or whether it is merely a retaliation for earlier disputes where he insisted on wrestlers being signed). See my response on this talk page. If you happen to be more informed and can affirm (preferaby with sources ) that these people are indeed signed (and I thought Vince McMahon no longer worked without contracts after Lex Luger jumping ship to WCW) feel free to change the articles back. Str1977(talk)18:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Vince doesn't but wrestlers are aloud to make appearances if the company is interested in them, for instance James Storm competed in the company without being signed to a contract Matthew Tardiff 01:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
First of all don't tell me what to do if I don't feel the need to sign my comment I don't want to it's my given right to do what I please Matthew Tardiff 02:01, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
And further more your the one who is starting shit by sayin things that I clearly haven't done so mind your own business and stop talking about me cause it makes you look like a stalker Matthew Tardiff 02:07, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 02:07, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
@MatthewTardiff: firstly, notice I said "please"....it was a request! Secondly, it's a guideline to sign your posts. Thirdly, I didn't start anything. I was warning Str1977 of your previous behavior that got you blocked. I didn't state anything you didn't do, I stated things you did do. So don't come to my talk page and start something. I will report you if you start being uncivil. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride02:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't care about guidelines it's my choice to sign my comments,and I could care less about a report I if you have a issue with me go to my talk page and say what's on your mind otherwise stop talking about me when you have no idea if I created a sock puppet cause in deed I have a brother who uses Wikipedia and that was his account. If you don't have the facts then clearly you don't have the story correct. Matthew Tardiff 02:34, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
And stating for all that's holly learn to sign a comment is t a request it's a inconsiderate rude remark Matthew Tardiff 02:41, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
@MatthewTardiff: I didn't say you did anything, I just posted the links and showed them that you had been blocked and that account was blocked as your sock. I just provided information, nothing more. So, yeah, there's that. But in case it matters, I don't care if you have a brother that edits Wikipedia or not. If you do, have me create an account and contact an admin and explain that he's not you. But, oh well. Also, thanks for misquoting me, I said "for the love of all that's holy, please learn to sign your comments..." Note I said please, if I was being rude, I wouldn't have said please. So, yeah, there's that. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride02:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
No matter how you say please rude comments are still rude if you can't understand that the. You may have to go back to school and learn the differential between rude and civil comments Matthew Tardiff 02:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
@MatthewTardiff: oh wow, not you're on my talk page calling me stupid...that's civil. As for me saying please, it's called manners, learn them. I could've been a jerk and said something along the lines of "SIGN YOUR COMMENTS STUPID!!!!" but I didn't. If me saying please is uncivil for you, fine, I won't say please, I start telling you what to do. Is that what you want? (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride02:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
If I was gonna call you stupid I'd say it to your face and further more me little guy hiding behind a keyboard learn to grow the fuck up and stop acting like a child Matthew Tardiff 03:02, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Do you think I give a shit of what you think your a child who thinks they are a adult Matthew Tardiff 03:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
How about I just report you hmm looks like I will Matthew Tardiff 03:09, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
You obviously can't differentiate civil and rude Matthew Tardiff 03:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
My thoughts exactly, besides, I've already mentioned this discussion to an admin. I'm awaiting a response, but I don't see things going well for young Mr. Tardiff. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride03:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
There are not personal attacks Matthew Tardiff 03:16, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Actually, they are. You've cussed me, unprovoked. You've insulted my intelligence and you threatened me with a false report. So, yeah WP:PA would apply. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride03:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
There was no personal attacks explaining to someone on how there sting something isn't a personal attack, nor is saying if they can't understand then they may have to go back to schoolMatthew Tardiff 03:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Then explain how calling me a "child" and needing to "grow the eff up" isn't an insult...oh that's right, it is an insult. So yeah, there's that. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride03:29, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
There was uncivilized by both of us sound I told your friend if he had a problem with me to make a discussion in my talk page so we can talk it out Matthew Tardiff 03:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Why would I need to start a discussion on your talk page, when you already jumped onto my talk page and started one? Seems like extra work to me. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride03:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Truth is you act like a child on here if you were not acting like one I wouldn't of said it. Instead you insulted me. Y being rude and saying please for all that's holly learn how to sign a comment, which started it all Matthew Tardiff 03:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
You Matthew Tardiff 03:34, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:34, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Again, with yet another insult! I was never rude. I requested you to sign your comments, per Wiki guidelines. I wouldn't have bothered if it wasn't a regular thing. I get sick and tired of running into edit conflicts when I try to reply, only to be interrupted by Signbot because you couldn't be bothered to follow one simple guideline. Good grief, all you have to do is type ~~~~ at the end of what you're saying. You already post "Matthew Tardiff 03:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)" so why not just used the four tildes and be done with it? Also, I never insulted you. You attacked and insulted me. If you're trying to bait me into personally attacking you, it's not gonna work. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride03:37, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
I have watched you be uncivil, state you don't care about wiki policy, personally attack Crash, and belittle him, then proceeded to threaten him with filing a report on him. There is no reason to move a discussion that started here to another talk page, clearly this would have been the same outcome and you are the one with the issue with someone. Chris "WarMachineWildThing"Talk to me03:39, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
I would say something if I have a problem with him Matthew Tardiff 03:43, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:43, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
No I've said of he has a problem with me he can say something so read correctly Matthew Tardiff 03:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 03:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Yeah Chris, let's just ignore the fact he's insulted me numerous times and threatened me with a false report! He's in the right and we're both wrong!!!</sarcasm> (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride03:48, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
If I was to threaten you which neither of you can grasp the concept of a threat I'd do it to your face but I'm not gonna argue with either you I'm not hiding behind a keyboard like you crash but let's leave it as this I don't talk to you and you don't talk to me sounds fair Matthew Tardiff 04:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 04:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
@MatthewTardiff: for starters, I wasn't talking to you, I was providing information about your past behavior on here to someone else who was engaged with you. Secondly, you said you were going to file a false report on me, that's a threat. Thirdly, you continually attack me violating WP:PA. And what's all this "hiding behind a keyboard" b.s.? What do you expect me to do, travel to Rhode Island so we can settle this? Puh-lease. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:09, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Do you understand a concept of a threat, a threat is a act of violence and secondly I asked you if you wanna just stop talking to each other cause this arguing isn't going anywhere Matthew Tardiff Matthew Tardiff 05:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
@MatthewTardiff: please see the definition of threat at Dictionary.com. To quote: 1) "a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course; menace", example: "He confessed under the threat of imprisonment." Number two, to quote: "an indication or warning of probable trouble", example: "The threat of a storm was in the air." So, by definition one, you threatened to file a false report on me in retaliation for some perceived behavior on my part that never took place. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:16, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Crash for the third time do you agree to not talk to each other or about each other again so we can settle this matter Matthew Tardiff Matthew Tardiff 05:17, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Once you admit that you a) over reacted, b) violated WP:PA and c) threatened (by definition as mentioned above) me with a false report. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
How about we both agree to that and just leave each other alone sounds fair Matthew Tardiff Matthew Tardiff 05:20, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
I literally don't have to agree to those three points that I listed, they're facts plus that's been my stance this whole time. lol. The only one that's not agreeing to it was you when you said there were "no attacks" and "no insults" from you towards me. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Agree to leave each other alone I over reacted a little but there can we go (n leave each other alone now (Matthew Tardiff 05:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC))) Matthew Tardiff 05:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
If I'm the only one trying there will be no compromises so if you tried this dispute could end Matthew Tardiff 12:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC) Matthew Tardiff 12:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Can you revert my last edit on Eric Young I messed up and my tools aren't working MatthewTardiff 20:37, 18 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewTardiff (talk • contribs)
Overthecap.com
Ive been editing on wikipedia for years now and still don't understand the whole talk section. But when I began using overthecap.com I doublechecked its information and it has been accurate so far. My main source for salary and contract information is sportrac.com but they don't post contract information on a player unless they have all the information and details for the full contract. I.E.: date, amount, bonuses, dead money, salary-per-year, etc.
Ironically enough, I've seen other players go by just one letter for a "first name" while playing. There was a dude about 10 years ago at USC, he was a linebacker I think. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride23:12, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
October 2016 reply
Justin Blackmon is not listed on the Jaguars roster so that's why I removed that information. I didn't think it would be that big of a deal but people freaked out about it. I do not vandalize articles I improve them. Any player profile I edit is accurate and up to date and no one does the quality of work on NFL player pages than I do. Look at any other page I edit and it is accurate with the latest transactions with references. Sorry if I upset you but nothing bad happened. If I were to be blocked, articles would not be up to date which makes Wikipedia look bad.
@Jrooster49: first, that doesn't matter. You need WP:RS that he's been released, there are none. Secondly, wow, you've either got a high opinion of yourself or on hell of an ego. Either way, you're not the only editor that does quality work on NFL articles, so you may wanna check your ego at the proverbial door. Thirdly, please sign your posts so that I don't get edit conflicts thanks to Sinebot. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride17:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, you probably could have worded your message better tho. Better to just say what you think instead of using that templated message that talks about "vandalizing" and "blocking". WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I followed proper procedure for when someone adds or removes information without any sources to back it up. But hey, that's just me trying to actually follow protocol and what not, but f*ck me right? (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride17:33, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I know, it wasn't really vandalism tho. It was a good-faith edit. I think there's a template for that. Also, there's some more NFLers without articles if you wanna make them. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
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You might have "created" it but I added 95% of the information. I think the only thing that was added by you or somebody else is going undrafted in 2016 NFL Draft.
A) I said you may have "created" it. B) So you did "After going unselected in the 2016 NFL Draft, Fant signed with the Seattle Seahawks where he was expected to compete for a roster spot as a tight end or offensive tackle." Good for you. Bravo. People can obviously see what you added, I added, or anybody else. So by "created" they can see my clear I meant I added 95% of the information.
@Toeknee44: that doesn't matter, don't try and take credit for my work by listing that article as your creation, like it originally was. That is my point. I don't take credit for your work. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
OMG stop being such a crybaby. You're acting like you added everything and I did a sentence and said I wrote it. You're taking the "creating" thing too seriously. Just because you originally added it before somebody else you wanna say you "created" it. IDC! PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT YOU DID AND WHAT I DID! Stop acting like I'm trying to steal your work when you barely did anything in that section.
@Toeknee44: all it takes is a note to differentiate, which you created and which you didn't, which you have done. At first, you just posted the article name, saying, maybe not intentionally, "I created this whole article" but not including the section you created or major edits you made. That was my problem, now my problem is your attitude towards me. I'm not claiming WP:OWN of the article, just the work I put into it. I think that's fair. I don't claim to have done work that others have contributed, I would just hope you would respect me enough to do the same. That's all.
Are you seriously stalking every edit I make now? You're really going through every page I created And watching every edit I make?
@Toeknee44: no. I happen to have 528 pages on my watchlist, most being pages that I've either created, listed here or articles that I am planning to work on. So, what's the problem? I make a few constructive edits after you and I'm "stalking" you? Geez, God forbid I edit football articles at all....oh wait, that's mostly what I've been doing for nine years!!! Get over yourself. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
No. The problem is you're even going through everything on my page to I tentionally piss me off. And after you brought up the creating thing, did I change it? No. Did I change it back? No. You're going through pages that I forgot I even edited. I just think its funny that you have time for that. Constructive edits, I don't care about. I'm not perfect and I make mistakes so it works out when somebody double checks it. You're obviously going through anything I do cuz I def know its not a coincidence u end up on random pages that people don't even know exist that I con incidentally created or edited. People don't even know who Roosevelt Nix is unless you're a Steelers fan and you never made an edit on that page until you had the whole creating issue.
@Toeknee44: Really? Go to the Roosevelt Nix (fullback) history and look in October 2016! Better yet, here's the biggest edit. Now, what is it you were saying about me never making an edit to the page? Oh, that's right, you're wrong. The only reason I saw that you had the incorrect article on your talk page is because your talk page is on my watch list. I added it there because of this. So, no I'm not "stalking your edits" or whatever the hell you accused me of. It's that plain and simple, but if you want to whine and complain, go right ahead. Oh and fyi, I have a template on my user page (it's page located here) that includes, every article I've ever created for Wikipedia. Have fun taking credit for my work, because odds are you'll try. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:00, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Whine and complain? You're the one complaining! Lol and. Credit for your work? You BARELY DID ANYTHING! Acting like I did it multiple times and continue to. Stop being a baby and man up. Go change ur tampon. HA Get a life. Pce. When Wikipedia becomes your life...
@Toeknee44: Yes, take credit for my work. You listed the Fant article as created by you. Not a section created by you. The section was named "Created" and it was listed. There was no specification, that was my problem, but yes, since you've fixed it on you talk page, I have no problem with how it's listed now as it says the professional career section, that's fine. Now it's not implying you created the entire article. Also, "Pce"? Also, Wikipedia's not my life, just something I love to do. But as I said, I no longer have a problem with how you're currently listing the George Fant article. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:07, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
It's seriously pathetic how much you care. OMG somebody said they created it when I was the one who added Professional life! Waaa. He did more then 96% of the work but I ADDED IT! It's really sad that you really care like I'm making money from this or I'm becoming popular and telling everybody how cool I am. It's Wikipedia. This isn't the real world man. You need to get your priorities straight cause if you care that much about something this small then you probably need to get off the computer and go out for once. Don't reply cause I'm not wasting another second talking to a child. I have better things to do.
@Toeknee44: this is a serious question. Are you too stupid to read? I said that you were implying that you created the articlenot the section! That was my problem. God you're dense. Awww, poor baby. :'( lmfao (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:10, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Go back and check. It originally said I created the professional career and personal life. Not the entire pagem. How else do I explain I did 96% of the work on that section? Yeah? I can't read but I can do edits on Wikipedia? Makes sense. Stop acting like you wrote a book and I'm taking your credit. Stop acting like it seriously matters or effects your personal or professional life. Do we get compensated for this? No. Do we get actual credit for this? No cause most of us are anonymous. Do people care what the hell you did on Wikipedia? No. Can people look for themselves who did what? Yes. So why does it matter so much to you. And you're acting like I've done it multiple times and said to people I created what you did. I may understand if you did 95% of the work and I did a simple spelling error but it's the other way around. You barely did anything in that section. You need to evaluate your life man. I have better things to do.
@Toeknee44: Well, when I saw your talk page, the section was "Created:" and it listed George Fant (American football) and that was all it said about the article....after looking...I was 99.9% certain it said "George Fant (American football) - Created". But still looking at it, you're saying you created a section you didn't. List that you did 95% of the work, I don't care, but to say you created something you didn't is dishonest. But that's just my opinion on it. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
... at Kristen Stewart can't be answered, because the one you asked is blocked. - Whether an article gets an infobox depends on who are the main contributors and their preferences, - compare the discussion on Max Reger. I'd prefer to have a project where the different needs of different readers are served, yes, repetitively, but have been restricted by arbcom for that belief. - Infobox discussions are a waste of time. Add infoboxes to the many articles requesting one, I'd say (after more than enough of wasting my time) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I saw they got blocked (again) after I posted the question the third time. lol. The way I see it, if you look at WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST; "...the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes." So, basically, if it gets removed from her article, it should be removed from all articles across Wikipedia. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride11:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
No. Read again: it's not the readers, but the writers who define how an article looks. (And that should change but how?) - We have a few (very few) editors who don't understand that a templated date (as in the infobox) looks the same (but only in English) as the prose, but is more useful. We have a few who think an infobox damages an article. - Did you see the Reger discussion (where I was the one who expanded, so got it "my way", lol)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: no I had not. I just stumbled upon the issue because I jumped over to her article to look something up real quick. The way I see it, majority rules. More people think it's helpful, leave the box. More think it's not, remove them from all articles. lol. But I don't see that happening anytime soon, especially with sports articles. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride13:35, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Keep your innocence ;) - It won't be long until someone says I hired you to fight for me, lol. The infobox wars date back to 2005, and participants spent so much time on the senseless arguments that they will not want to give in. They rather say they retire, and then revert infobox after infobox, - if needed several times. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for all these articles aboutfootballers, from David Saunders in 2007 to Victor Ochi in 2016, for an exquisite infobox about yourself, for using "love" and "lol" abundantly, and "for the love of all that's holy, please learn to sign your comments", - Donnie, you are an awesome Wikipedian!
@Greda Arendt: thank you. :D That really means a lot. People find it hard to understand that I love doing this. I love learning about these guys and what they've gone through in life leading up to their professional careers and beyond. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride07:33, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Toliver
Thanks for your hard work but I was intentionally leaving some of those stats out because I don't think they're accurate. Arenafootball.com and Arenafan.com have different numbers for his tackles, for example. I only had receiving before because those were the only stats that were exactly the same. Hmm... WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@WikiOriginal-9: just like with the NFL, no two sources will be the same with tackles. As for return yard, Arenafootball.com has them split into two, I just with with ArenaFan.com since it's combined. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride20:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Yh, I would normally just go with NFL.com though, since it's official. Some of Toliver's rushing and return stats are different on both sites. I was going to just use arenafootball.com, since its official, but some of the years are combined into one like "Tampa Bay/Nashville". And 2016 is missing. Hmm.. lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@WikiOriginal-9: yeah, that's why I go with ArenaFan. They are updated more often and more reliable (that I've found). I've only been using them since about 2007. lol They are pretty much the AFL's version of Pro Football Reference for the NFL. P.S. tell me if I don't need to ping you. lol (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride21:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
You'd have to go and do that for all NFL articles as well. I mean, just look at all the articles with different stat values on PFR and NFL.com. I would assume that most fans would understand that tackles aren't officially recorded and that not all sites are going to have the exact same value. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:23, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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RoyalsLife, I'm just a schlub who loves to edit Wikipedia and who makes crappy YouTube videos. lol. I'm also someone who loves the Dallas Cowboys and pro wrestling. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride05:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Lol. I saw some of them. I dislike the Cowboys....... So go to my user page and look in my bio. That's me :) Are you a guy or girl haha
Actually, it's a joke in reference to Travis Barker. During a Blink 182 interview with MTV (back when it was worth a damn) he wore a black shirt that had white lettering that said "I'm a lesbian". I thought it was hilarious so I just went with it. lol. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride18:02, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Smart mouth! lol. Mine was done with I was in elementary school, like 3rd-5th grade. Also, no. My social media is in the infobox on my user page. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride20:01, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
During the day I sleep, night time, video games, working on YouTube videos, editing Wikipedia. I've been on Twitter almost 7 years, and would live tweet during wrestling shows WWE Raw, TNA Wrestling Impact, but I've since slowed on my Tweeting...I hate the oversized Oompa Loompa. lol (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride20:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Saw the ping. LT's page has seen only one vandal edit since December, so no need for protection at this time. The IP was schoolblocked. Acroterion(talk)12:33, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
We should get paid for our edits lol. I have 722 and I didn't really edit till September. I had like ten before that. How many do you have? AND when will I start getting awards and stuff? RoyalsLife19:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
I currently have 26,748 edits, I'm in the top 3,500 editors on the English Wikipedia. Regarding awards, that just depends. They're not really official, the are just given by other editors. The badge on my user page is based solely on the number of edits and years I've been active. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride20:11, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
DANGGGGGGG that's alot, but you've been editing forever. I want to work on getting the NFL and barnstar awards. Especially the NFL one. RoyalsLife20:15, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm fluent in the internet, so as soon as I saw "Kekistan" I knew immediatley what it probably was. I shudder to think what anonymous could do if they ever decided to systematically attack Wikipedia. Lizard (talk) 13:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
@Lizard the Wizard: well, they aren't really the type to do that. However, Lizard Squad or Poodlecorp....maybe. I saw "Kekistan" on Twitter and was like "What the fu....?!?!" So I Googled it and the article popped up. I looked at it, knew it was bullsh*t and tagged it, twice. The first time someone removed it. Then I went to AN/I and posted about it and, whew. I still think it should (if it hasn't by now) be salted. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
It was. "Kek" is a common term in the meme and "alt-right" communities, which often overlap. It has no real meaning but it was at first used as a synonym for "lol." Check out the vandalism on the page of this extremely obscure Hungarian village. Lizard (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm not watching your talk page, but I usually remember where I left messages and will check back for replies. Lizard (talk) 14:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Hey Lizard--next time don't wait but ping the admin on duty. I indef-blocked the account. There's no point in going one warning level at a time with such editors. Drmies (talk) 05:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
I believe it is necessary to leave a note for the editor in question to ask them to use caution in future. I also think it is inappropriate for you to interfere and leave sarcastic messages on the talkpage of the IP address I'm currently using. 79.65.127.77 (talk) 18:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Trying to edit war with me over a perfectly civil message I'm trying to leave for another user is not very helpful. As I've said, I believe it's necessary to leave a message for the editor in question. 79.65.127.77 (talk) 18:44, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
And now you're leaving borderline abusive messages on my talkpage. I think you should leave me alone and not interfere with a completely civil message I am attemping to leave for another editor. 79.65.127.77 (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Dean Ambrose
You're editing waring and it needs to stop. You're pretty close to being reported. I've sourced the name and what the move technically is. Further editing waring will get you reported. I would advise you to stop. I've done my due diligence. If you can't handle that, not my problem. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it!18:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Hey man, are you interested in helping getting the page going? I dont really know how to use Wikipedia but I really want to make Pro Wrestling easier to navigate using Wikipedia for new watchers — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorruptionKJS (talk • contribs) 22:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
The matches under events are Match Listings Rather than results, the cards for the iPPVS, I've added some sources, not sure what else we need to do for publishing? Was thinking of writing a section on rivalries?
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@CorruptionKJS: No. That just needs to be about the promotion itself. NOT about storylines, etc. Use the WWE, TNA Wrestling and Ring of Honor articles as examples. Remember, there needs to be as many independent, third party sources as possible. But like I said before, it probably won't pass right now. It's just not notable enough, at the moment. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride23:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
The first one, I'm fine with the removal. (Except maybe the part about syndication). The second one, I'm fine with also. The phrases and wording removed kinda read like an advertisement or POV. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride14:50, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Might wanna keep an eye on WWE Hall of Fame. Dates keep being changed saying HOF is always before WM, which as we know this year isn't the case and nothing has been announced for 2018 yet. I'll be on and off over the next week more off than on so I may miss something.Chris "WarMachineWildThing"Talk to me04:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Steve Smith
Steve Smith's stat box is crazy and don't have the time to edit it. I was hoping you could do it. It makes me mad when it looks like this because it makes the page so long.
@Nikemania1: someone salty that I was giving them advice?? Well guess what, I wasn't telling you what to do, I was giving you advice, because as I said, WCPW fails GNG and has been deleted twice before. Now, if you're gonna be pissy, do it somewhere else. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride02:25, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
After reading up some more on the Template:Infobox NFL biography I say I disagree with your reversal of my edit. It specifically states, If a player attended multiple colleges, usually only the last college team is displayed (usually the one listed on NFL.com);however, if important to understanding a player's college career history, an additional college team may be included. I believe a player that played 3 of there 4 years of eligibility at 1 school rises to the level of important to the understand a player's college career history. If it doesn't, then I don't know what those words mean. I replied in much the same way to your message on my talk page.Kmanblue (talk) 03:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
I hadn't re-reverted your edit, but rather replied to you directly. Also, it seems that a similar discussion had to have taken place there already for them to include such specific language about adding an additional team in the college part of the infobox. Do you not agree that a player playing all but 1 year at a particular school rises to the level mentioned on the Infobox page? Just asking, as I'll go ahead and do a Request for Comment as you suggest also. Kmanblue (talk) 04:06, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
@Kmanblue: not particularly. Look at players such as Steve Smith Sr., two years in junior college then moved on to Utah, only Utah is mentioned. Utah is listed as his college on trading cards, NFL.com, Madden NFL football, etc. Also, another example would be Ryan Mundy.
@Crash Underride:Well, going from a junior college to a 4 year college is completely different than being a graduate transfer from one 4 year school to another, especially when that player spends 4 years at the 1st school. Also, a JUCO and a 4 year university are different level institutions. Almost as different as a high school and a college. Kmanblue (talk) 04:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
You don't need to ping me on my own talk page. lol. Honestly, complete and utter unbiased honesty, I don't see anything that would warrant it. He wasn't a superstar while at Kansas, in fact, during his lone season at Rutgers, he recorded more receiving yards than during a single season at Kansas. Now, yes, he did get academic All-America, but that, for me, isn't nearly enough to warrant it. Feel free to bring it up in the discussion. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride07:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
So, that discussion which I started at your behest is meaningless cause you don't agree? Also, playing 3 years at KU, and being on the team for 4 years total, playing in 27 games, starting 7 games, making 27 receptions for 491 yards and a TD, in addition to having a diploma that says the university of Kansas on it and 2 consecutive years of Academic All-Big 12 honors is all trumped by 1 year at Rutgers, playing in 11 games, starting 4, making 10 receptions for 347 yards and 4 TDs? That really doesn't seem at all logical as your main reason appearing to be he wasn't a superstar at Kansas, but neither was he a superstar at Rutgers.Kmanblue (talk) 08:06, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
You asked what I thought. I told you what I personally though. When I first said start a discussion, I meant about him specifically. But how about we let that discussion form a consensus first before anyone wigs out. Because there was a time I would include all colleges and was told not too. (It's been years.) Let's try and get the NFL project to form a consenus so that we can apply it to all players that played at multiple schools. But as I said with Ryan Mundy and Steve Smith Sr., Mundy played and graduated from Michigan before going to WVU, yet only WVU is listed, and Smith spent two years in junior college before going to Utah, yet only Utah is listed. But can I just say that based on your user name and history of editing Kansas articles, that you may be a tad biased because he attended Kansas, I don't see you arguing for this with Mundy, as an example. Just stating an observation. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride09:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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I saw that he was involved with Arena football so I knew I had to, lol. Since I've now to access to Newspapers.com I can see about some of the older ones. They won't be nearly as good, but we'll see. (talk page stalker)CrashUnderride18:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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