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User talk:ChildofMidnight/Archive 1
Discussion of how to include the information from: Online Collaboration Tools in Elementary Education on WikipediaOK--Child of Midnight. Please elaborate....."Strong Delete This poorly written piece is wholly unencyclopedic and doesn't demonstrate any notability. It's also kind of shocking that something written about educational tools is written in this manner." How is it "poorly" written...because of its format? Why is it shocking that a piece on educational tools is written "in this way." And, what does the phrase "in this way" mean? This poorly written critique lacks substantial evidence to support its claims. If you were an elementary teacher, you'd recognize the notability of the subject. There may be several mistakes in the way this piece is written, but your comments are far from helpful. They are vague and offensive. From your site, it appears as though your development in Wikipedia "knowledge" is still developing. Try constructive criticism, why don't you? MiShe11e38 (talk) 00:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC) In response to your comments on my talk page: See your talk page. I've asked questions there. My concerns are lack of constructive feedback. Your critique doesn't give me anything to work with, and appears subjective and trivial. I am new to Wikipedia, and obviously am in a learning curve. From your site, it appears you are not that far ahead of me on the learning curve, and thus makes your critiques of my submissions even less valid in my eyes. MiShe11e38 (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)MiShe11e38 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate your help when you answer in a clear, constructive way. Stating that it looks like an essay is inline with the other comments and is a lot more constructive than "poorly written" and that you are "shocked." I've made some suggestions, and would like further feedback from you in the manner in which you provided above. I have no idea of how to change the title, however. Nor, is my mind working clearly enough at this point to think of a more precise title. And, unfortunately, time is of the essence in my case. I'm not sure you aren't correct about the content being inappropriate for an independent article. I looked at the other two related articles though, and I think they ought to be merged with mine! :) MiShe11e38 (talk) 03:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess I forget that I can just go into the other article, huh? That seems so weird to me. The problem with this piece is that when we started writing it, the parameters of the assignment were unclear. I was also dealing with being the only native speaker in a group of four. And the other four are quite opinionated. Therefore, between lack of direction, and their ideas, and granted, the sample the prof gave, our encyclopedia entry became a paper. We didn't even realize we were truly submitting it to Wikipedia until after I'd stayed up all night (literally) paraphrasing my teammates direct copy and pastes from other articles, or fixing their attempted original English work. OK--perhaps my frustration is deeper than I realized!!!!!. Well, if it isn't going to stand alone, let's see if it is good enough now to insert into the other article. I think it is much more concise now and inline sourced as one contributor mentioned.....and less essayish??????One of the contributors mentioned the CSCL (Computer-supported Collaborative Learning) article as well. Really, they should all be combined. Mine are tools that should fall under CSCL, and CSCL is a means of collaborative learning. What ideas did you have about polishing it so that it could stand alone? BTW--thanks for considering what I said about your original commentary. You've actually turned out to be quite helpful. MiShe11e38 (talk) 13:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey--I went ahead and redirected to CSCL. I cleaned up the CSCL entry a bit...I hate to just delete someone else's work. I have no idea if the original author even checks this anymore........ Thanks again for all of your help. MiShe11e38 (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Speedy deletion of Joan's on ThirdI have responded to the editors who have expressed concerns and am happy to address them with any rewrites or sourcing necessary. I hope I will be given a chance to bring the article up to Wikipedia's standards and to demonstrate its notability. Its not just a restaurant, it's one of the premier gourmet food stores in LA, a busy breakfast, lunch and dinner destination for gourmands, and a major caterer for Hollywood elites. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Welcome!Hello, ChildofMidnight, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place RE: Politics of MemoryI'm not sure what exactly your politics of history entails. But the politics of memory I though of had to do something we did in school. It was about Germany moving beyond the war generation. To some extent your "meaning how society and cultural memories are developed and passed on" would be right but it is not "epitomized by the saying 'Hisory is written by the victors.'" Would you like to work together on this? Of course we can incorporate both aspects as they both seem to fit, only definitionally differentiated. ps- didn't know people read that page ;) Lihaas (talk) 07:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
A generous lad giving my marginable rewrite an award. Too kind! Thank goodness for a sliding scale
Re:Stats You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
History of IranHello thank you for you edits on History of Iran it is much liked timur did sudject many men women,children however he was said to have loved the persian launges and so keeped the nobles alive and they sevred him thanks for you edits again please reply on my talk page,
SubkultureI don't want you to get the wrong idea about what is going on here. What I am trying to do is help you learn Wikipedia. I understand how it doesn't make sense at first glance, but after a little experience, you will grow to understand why some of are hard about policies, and quote them a lot. From my experience, I can tell I like you already. You can disagree without being disagreeable, you will fight for something when you think you are right (without being a jerk). The only problem is that you haven't learned the policies here. That's cool, it takes a little time. Honestly, I think you have the right attitude, just not enough experience. I truly hope you stick around, work on some article, learn the system and stay involved. I think you have something to offer. Yes, I think you are mistaken about this one article, but you know what? I have been here two years, have over 8,000 edits, and yet 10% of the time or more, an AFD will go the opposite way I !voted. It happens a few times a week. Sometimes, I am simply wrong and figure this out after researching their arguments. Sometimes I am *right*, and just outnumbered by people who quickly vote and move on. You can't take it personal. If it gets deleted, you can ask the admin who closes it to move a copy to a sub page of your user page, and you can work on it over time, finding sources that are more clear. Then get an opinion of more experienced people, and when it is ready, recreate it. This is super common. I just don't want you to get the wrong idea. Honestly, new users do well to start by editing for a while. AFD is a bitch, and you have to be thick skinned. It is easy to get pissed off. Trust me, I still do from time to time. Ok, more often. Anyway, I don't mean to write a book here, I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your attitude in debating, as well as your willingness to work hard to fix something. Stick around, and if you have a question about anything, feel free to ask me on my user page. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 03:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
your commentI responded to it there and apologized on the other guy's talk page. You are quite correct--I was reacting more to the general overdeletion of the articles n this topic than to the specific nomination. I intended to be strong, and I intend to be, but I should not have used some of what I said there, but only in a more general context about the attitude towards fiction in general. So, my appreciation for your very appropriate remarks. DGG (talk) 18:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC) Please note refs added to the article per your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cher Doll Records. Ty 05:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems fairly obvious that imnotalwayssostupid is Ostrander's blog, which would be useful to reference some basic info.[1] It doesn't actually give a name apart from Nancy, though. Ty 05:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi ChildofMidnight. Please note the preferred procedure for changing your position in AfD articles, which can be found in the fourth bullet point under "The following are practices that should be avoided:" in How to discuss an AfD. Bongomatic 06:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I want to make sure that you understand that I am not challenging your article. I am trying to help you improve it. These are clarifications on the points I am trying to make:
This is what you had: <ref> [http://www.la2day.com/dining/there_s_no_place_like_joan_s|title=www.la2day.com/dining/there_s_no_place_like_joan_s There's no place like Joan's] </ref> Which gave you this in the references section: This is how it should be formatted: <ref name=la2day>
{{cite web
|url = http://www.la2day.com/dining/there_s_no_place_like_joan_s
|title = There's no place like Joan's
|author = Jolie Loeb
|work = LA2Day
|date = 2007-09-17
|accessdate = 2008-11-01
|quote = When it comes to Joan's, I am humbled. My devotion borders on addiction...
}}
</ref>
Which gives you this in the references section: Jolie Loeb (2007-09-17). "There's no place like Joan's". LA2Day. Retrieved 2008-11-01. I began by putting the basics of the reference formatting in place, all you will need to do is finish them. By naming the references, you can use them over and over without retyping the whole thing each time you need to cite something. So if you are using the LA2Day reference again later in the article all you will need to is type this after the second usage of the citation: <ref name=la2day/> Which will generate this in the references section: A, BJolie Loeb (2007-09-17). "There's no place like Joan's". LA2Day. Retrieved 2008-11-01. Please fell free to ask me any questions, --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Cat namesBy the way, I was able to source another article under discussion if you would like to perhaps reconsider there? Best, --A NobodyMy talk 16:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC) LanguagesYour best bet is to refute obviously false claims such as this by noting that several pages in a published encyclopedia is significant, third party coverage. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 17:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC) ReplyHmm. Consolidation can be good for putting several marginally notable pieces (e.g. character bios) into one place instead of several longer character bios scattered about. I think character lists are good because they seem to discourage adding excessive out-of-universe info to individual character bios. As for adding to a fictional character's article, I'm not exactly sure how you can help besides weed whacking the OR and plot summary out. One thing you can try is looking at a GA- or FA-class article that deals with fictional characters, and try to follow its pattern. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Bethmanns and RothschildsHey, I saw your response at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bethmanns_and_Rothschilds and I went searching for some sources and found some good ones that show its not just OR. I figured you might want to take a look and see if it changes your mind or not. The article isn't written the best but because its not OR from what I found I don't think it needs deletion. Thanks. --Banime (talk) 01:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Invite!You and another editor have really proven lately to be reasonably good at rescuing articles, as such, I invite you to join Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron. By the way, if you would like to see some of my own work, please note this, which will hopefully be enough to convince any reasonable editor. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 03:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC) CanvassingPlease be aware of Wikipedia's policy on canvassing. It is begin to look like you are coming perilously close to violating it. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC) Why merge the albums if the band isn't notable enough? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Cass LewartI commented at [3] DGG (talk) 03:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC) References and WiredawgHi ChildofMidnight. I noticed your recent edit of Wiredawg, where you placed a reference after the sentence "The 2E6X3 Telephone Systems or "Inside Plant" then adopted the WireDawg name while the 2E6X2 Cable Splicers took on the lesser known title of Cable Dawgs.". The reference you added does not support the claim in that sentence--there is no mention of either the term "Wiredawg" or "Cable Dawg" in either of the job descriptions. References are intended to provide credence to the propositiosn they follow. If the reference you added is intended to support the claim that 2E6X2 is the job code for cable splicers, the reference should probably be cast differently. Rgds, Bongomatic 05:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Re:Hot DawgThanks for taking the time to commit your thoughts to keyboard. I can understand the position you are coming from, but the problem with the Wiredawg article (at least from where I sit) is twofold. According to Wikipedia's content policies, an article needs to consist of verifiable information relating to the subject ("The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" - Wikipedia:Verifiability). This information needs to be drawn from sources of information independant of the subject and with a known methodology for fact-checking and accuracy (Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources), and cannot contain "unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas" (Wikipedia:No original research). Unfortunately, there do not appear to be any reliable, third-party, published sources about Wiredawgs, as I stated in the deletion discussion. The other problem is that there are even fewer reliable sources about "Voice Network Systems technicians" and/or "Cable and Antenna Systems technicians". I have no doubts that these professsions exist within the United States Air Force, that some or most of the people performing these professions identify themselves by these nicknames, and that they do a vital job for their unit, their military, and their nation. Sites like the About.com job description and Wiredawg.net demonstrate this. However, there is not enough information meeting Wikipedia inclusion policies to support an article, either on Wiredawgs, or on Voice Network Systems technicians. -- saberwyn 08:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC) Cass Lewart I was introduced to Cass at a Yom Ha Shoah service were he was the main speecker. Feel free to email him. His email address is displayed on his home page. User:Smfield —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC). Moving articlehi there. If you go to the article and then click on "move" (top of the page, between "edit this page" and "watch") enter the new title, and the reason (e.g. in line with the naming of other articles). Done. You can set up the redirect. If you have a look at [4] that tells you which articles currently link to "History of slavery in Iran", if you have the time you can change them all manually (I help you if you want), or just let them redirect. Hope this helps, let me know if you need any help.--SasiSasi (talk) 18:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I asked DGG, but wanted to get your opinion on an AFD as well. I added some extra mild sources and fixed this article somewhat, but the AFD looks like a dogpile, much more so that I would expect for this article. I think it slides by simply because of the sources. All are Indian sources, almost all in English, so I don't know if that is the problem (shouldn't be). DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 22:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
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""test" reference in the nom is a bit troubling"Don't be troubled :) Just practicing a little WP:BOLD! If you can weight in or help on the proposed guideline, I'd appreciate it. --Kickstart70TC 04:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC) Cold Spring TavernI just saw that you are actually the one to bring Cold Spring Tavern up to speed, via being the food and drink expert, and a socal expert. Seriously, I would work it up on your sandbox, get it up to speed, and submit it for WP:DYK (has to be within 5 days of radically improving it). This is a perfect candidate if you source the lion and bear meat. This assumes you drastically enlarged it, which I think can be done. Anyway, I have been busy doing photographs today, including a panoramic of the lake (need to redo though). Will leave the tavern in your hands. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 23:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC) AFD to do with Dodgeball on my talk page
Thank you for your comments on the AfD. However when was Skullduggery pleasant made into two video games? I can't find a reference. Also on AfD for Kitty Jones you suggested merging to characters of Terabithia Not Bartimaeus Trilogy I've moved all the merger tags but am I allowed to change the one on the AfD itself? Once again thank you for your comments on saving these articles from deletion. :) --Beligaronia (talk) 06:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Re: AfD nomination of 107.1 KGSR Radio Austin - Broadcasts Vol.10Thank you very much for your kind words! They are much appreciated. Whataworld06 (talk) 18:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks for your great input......on that surfer band AfD and throughout Wikipedia. I enjoy your contributions. Keep up the fine work! Ecoleetage (talk) 21:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)  Ecoleetage (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Restaurant notabilityRe: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coney I-Lander your questions, I honestly do not believe the far majority of restaurant pages on Wikipedia *really* would pass WP:CORP if it wasn't restaurants we were talking about. For some reason, people love to keep restaurant listings here, disregarding the most basic of corporate or organizational notability rules. Adding to that, a good many editors consider a published restaurant review - even a few short sentences on page F16 of a newspaper - absolute proof of notability. Since I don't think this way, and absolutely follow the Be Bold principles, a (very) few get put up for Afd. Most just get a notability notice. Regarding your comment in the above linked Afd..."Regional chain dating back to 1926? They serve a specialized product. Seems notable to me."...if we were talking about a few hardware stores with handmade shovels or something, would they be notable enough for inclusion here? I kinda think not. Appreciate your feedback on this. I am always willing to be proven wrong. --Kickstart70TC 03:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Proposing turning list of DS games w/ rumble into category.I'm making this proposal here. Feel free to discuss. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC) [User:Dennis Brown/Missing person]]When you get a chance, peek in at talk and such. I've had to pull back the criteria to reflect current consensus, and RHMED made some good points as well. It is less "deletionist" as you would say. I don't consider myself either, to be honest. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 13:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC) DodgeballJust a quick note before I take off for the evening: I removed the rescue tag since it wasn't at AFD anymore. I have tried a fair amount in regards to finding sources that pass wp:rs for the different varieties, but this is no easy task. It may have to be trimmed down to avoid AFD in the future if we can't find them. some changes on the misper page as well. Have a good evening, I'm off to drink cocoa with the mrs. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 23:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Veretski PassI see you added a Notability template to the article Veretski Pass that I recently wrote. I hoped I'd included sufficient references for such a short article, and I'm not sure how to further show notability (You say it needs references specifically to newspaper and magazine articles, but the general notability guideline doesn't appear to specifically require that). Anyway, I've started a discussion on the Talk page. I'd be grateful if you could expand on your thoughts and perhaps offer me some suggestions on how to proceed (either on the Talk page or here). Thanks in advance. Oscroft (talk) 06:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the speedy you placed on For Lies I Sire because this article is not blatant spam. However, I do believe that this article is crystal-balling, so I've nominated it for deletion. If you would like to participate in the deletion discussion, please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/For Lies I Sire. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC) OlympiansFor the record, I am not one. :) But I would think that yes, that would meet WP:ATHLETE. I can't think of a higher level of amateur sports.--User:2008Olympianchitchatseemywork 01:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC) I agree with you that WP:ATHLETE lets in a lot of people who wouldn't make it under general WP:N criteria, that seems to be how the specific guideline works. It also holds true for a lot of minor-league professionals. The general feel is that if the player can live off what they earn, it is "fully-professional." As for the "highest level of amateur sports," then I don't know how to decide who makes the cut and who doesn't. Medal-winning? Final heats? And it wouldn't distinguish between varied sports either. An Olympic sport such as gymnastics or basketball is going to have athletes who don't win medals who are more notable than those that do in smaller sports such as shooting or curling. you see where the discussion on levels beneath the Olympics can go. I feel that there needs to be some bright-line rules here because of the mass of athletes involved. In football, until this discussion, it has been interpreted to require play at the professional level without independent notability. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. AfD: Sub-Aqua AssociationThanks for your comments on WP:Articles for deletion/Sub-Aqua Association. I think you have put me on the right lines to be able to include the cite I mentioned - it's really about regulation of membership - and hopefully it now makes a positive addition to the article. I was reluctant to use it just as an excuse to show notability as I was worried about it being irrelevant and insensitive. If you have a chance, I'd appreciate it if you took a look and let me know if you can see anything amiss (apart from the fact it now needs a good copyedit!). Thanks again for spurring me on to do a job I'd been putting off for some time. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your cleanup and copyedit and there's no way I would want to alter a single change you made. You know you have a real talent for copyediting and anytime you have an hour to spare there's an article User:Gene Hobbs and I recently took to GA - Oxygen toxicity, that needs a fresh look at and copyedit before going for FA. At present, I write stuff and Gene references them - it would be great to have someone with copyedit skills who would be willing to collaborate whenever they had a little time :). Anyway, I hope we run into each other again somewhere in the encyclopedia! Cheers --RexxS (talk) 01:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC) This article is in a style similar to that of Hittite religion -- a list of Anatolian deities and their main features (meaning of names). It does, however, add some cognate terms (names of deities, etc.) from related (Indo-European) religions, to provide some familiar reference-points. Also, it brings the area-study down to a later date, by showing how the transition into Christianity was made by transforming pre-Christian deities into characteristics of Christian ones; which may be helpful to indicate relevance of ancient Anatolian religion the present-day religious world. Altogether too many historical studies are written of obsolete beliefs and trends without any attempt to connect them with surviving ones.0XQ (talk) 21:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
[author]Thank you for this useful advice. I have added an introduction to the article. Please see if it now looks suitable to you; and if so, please so change your recommendation back to "keep" on the "deletion discussion".0XQ (talk) Hello, I have added several sources to the Fightback article, which I believe are sufficient to establish its notability and verifiability. I would request that you review the article and reconsider your support for its deletion. Thank you, Sickle and Hammer (talk) 22:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC) WikistalkingI see your a wikistalker, too. Join the club of those who wikistalk me. User: Binksternet and user:Pagrashtak (not so much anymore). Daniel Christensen (talk) 06:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Take a look.Take a peek at Talk:List_of_alleged_UFO-related_entities which is related to an afd you were involved in. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 00:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Response to your commentCourtesy note that I responded to your comment on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Nick_Savoy. Camera123456 (talk) 01:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Your own argument that the article was unreferenced no longer applied. And the two anons (plus the nominator) who argued delete only provided IDONTLIKEIT arguments. The only person left to argue delete was open to convincing and wasn't convinced this was a flat-out delete. Based on the TIME reference I was convinced that relisting the page would be an unwise decision as long as there hadn't been enough time for improvement. - Mgm|(talk) 08:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Its a little better now, having found several reliable sources and expanded the article. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC) By calling this article unreferenced, you are saying that the information in the history in the about us and history sections of a company's website is all lies. Daniel Christensen (talk) 17:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
NoticeDue to the constant disruption of List of alleged UFO-related entities , I have entered a complaint at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_user_ScienceApologist DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 00:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC) Thank you for your help today with the Ed Hauser page. SpätzleI don't think this recipe is standard. Is there evidence wheat flour is a common ingredient in Spatzle?
Maybe you think about gnocci, a similar dish.
Zutaten ingredients [Bearbeiten] Der Spätzleteig wird aus Mehl, Eiern, lauwarmem Wasser, mancherorts auch mit Milch, und Salz zubereitet, wobei die Mengenangaben variieren können. Als Faustregeln gelten: Für eine Portion je 100 g Mehl, eine Prise Salz, ein Ei und: immer ein Ei mehr als Leute, die später bei Tisch sitzen. Im Handel angebotenes Spätzlemehl ist meist grobkörnigeres (doppelgriffiges) Weizenmehl Type 405, teilweise mit Dinkelmehl oder feinem Grieß gemischt. Es klumpt weniger als glattes Mehl.
I was also just trying to clarify that spätzle uses "regular" flour (white flour). So we were basically doing the same thing. What do you think, what is the best way of stating this in the article?
No problem. It was a real pleasure to have a civilized discussion whith someone on Wikipedia. And thanks for your help. Auf Wiedersehen mein Freund! Warrington (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC) I've discovered that the guy's name was Richard, not Michael, which means that Michael Bunch needs to be deleited, not redirected. Mangoe (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC) subpages/saving on computerI know about all that and do it, but often pages are protected after being deleted, so they cannot be remade. I am really mad about the deletion of my article home audio. How the hell can such a huge and broad thing not have an article? See User:Daniel Christensen/Home audio Daniel Christensen (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC) RewriteWhat's the difference between rewriting and recreating pages, and how do you do it? Daniel Christensen (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC) Incivility and attacksIn regards to to your recent comments to ScienceApologist. Please carefully read NPA and WP:Civility.
was a blatant attack. Any more of that and you may be blocked. Vsmith (talk) 01:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
For the record: "It is unfortunate that amateurs and charlatans are allowed as much clout as they are allowed on Wikipedia. I am an elitist because Wikipedia says that the best sources are the elite ones. Most people who are not elitist neither have access nor familiarity with the best sources," strikes me as being self-righteous, to use a generous term.ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC) Exceptional Newcomer Award
Hi, per WP:PROD, proposed deletion notices may not be replaced if someone has removed them contesting proposed deletion. If you still feel this article should be deleted, WP:AfD is the correct venue. — BillC talk 12:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, understood. Thanks very much for taking the time to explain. I'm still learning the ins and outs of deletion and notability procedures. As an aside, I notice obituaries aren't allowed, but they seem to be a common submission. If a person is notable then it can't be deleted, so I guess the article needs to be fixed? Or is there another alternative to deal with this "rule breaking"? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
ThanksThanks for your comment on my talk page. I responded, FYI. I really appreciate someone taking an interest in this and if you have any specific and practical suggestions, I'd be very grateful since I have no idea how to "move forward" on this.Camera123456 (talk) 21:48, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Happy Thanksgiving! I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A NobodyMy talk 02:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC) QuoteI just noticed this quote: "sociology is a recreational pursuit of acadmics that shouldn't be encouraged". Was this intended to be tongue-in-cheek, or are you really that anti-academic? ScienceApologist (talk) 16:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
ThanksThanks for helping out at Human rights/Fetal, reproductive sections. I'll use that talk page to address you if any issues come up. Regards, -Zahd (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Speedy DeletionsHi there. I'd like to remind you to only tag articles for deletion under the G1 rationale if they clearly fit the G1 definition of "pure nonsense." Remember that this does not include: "poor writing, partisan screeds, obscene remarks, vandalism, fictional material, material not in English, poorly translated material, implausible theories, or hoaxes" - NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 22:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Dom MartinTo: Administrators Mgm, JNW, RkLawton, and ChildofMidnight: Apparently notability was not the only issue with my article about Dom Martin. Although administrator Rklawton has never communicated directly with me (Patricia Maier), I now find (in going to the link provided to me by JNW) [5] that Rklawton has assumed that Dom Martin wrote and launched his own article, thus violating Wikipedia policy. This, then, appears to be the underlying cause for the speedy deletion of my article without further recourse to what might be called 'due process' procedures of Wikipedia. I come to this conclusion since in the communications posted on my talk page between administrators Mgm and JNW regarding my article, Mgm indicates “. . . it’s not suitable for speedy deletion”, and JNW wrote back “I was preparing to nominate it for WP:PROD when I noticed it was deleted by an administrator.” I can assure you that I, Patricia Maier, the author of the article in question, am certainly not one and the same as the subject, Dom Martin. Not only do I look nothing like the artist, being of a completely different ethnic background, but I am a woman who was born on a different continent, in Washington State, USA, some years before this man was even alive! I can only assume that Rklawton reached this incorrect assumption since I share the same internet service provider with the subject, as do many individuals with computers in the same office or residence facility. If this is going to be the criteria for throwing out articles, based on one individual’s jumping to wrong conclusions, and others then being inspired to support that erroneous opinion, without further verification, then there is no justice to be found on Wikipedia! In all fairness, I kindly request that my article please be reconsidered and put though the “deletion review process and article for deletion discussion process” which I understand from Mgm can be utilized, and wherein a consensus is required to delete the article.
titlesPlease do not make a practice of refactoring other people's talk pages. I just changed mine back, but some people here would get very angry. DGG (talk) 08:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Bill Gainer11/28/2008 We at R.L. Crow do not wish to create any conflict with the editors at Wikipedia. We have tried to address the issues mentioned and are at a loss as to want is needed. Several other Wikipedia editors have helped edit the article to bring into conformance. At one point we feel the article was even vandalized. You have our full cooperation in correcting and addressing your concerns. We are new to this and just do not understand what is needed. Any help you can give will be forever appreciated. Thank you, K. St.Marie, R.L. Crow Publications Feel free to responnd here or to email at editor395@yahoo.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor395 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC) Quincy MethodGreetings ChildofMidnight. Was it really necessary to slap that template on the Quincy Method article just a few minutes after I'd created it? The two inline citations (from The New York Times and Encyclopaedia Britannica) were surely enough for such a short article. Lucky I'm thick-skinned and don't take such things personally, but newcomers to Wikipedia might feel put off from contributing to this great project. Of course other editors are welcome to improve the article as it stands. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
(outdent)I was happy to leave things as they were rather than enter into a sort of (highly unnecessary and petty) edit war, but as you have just left a message on my talkpage in which you accuse me a) of being uncivil ("... it's a bit uncivil to criticize an editor who has taken the time to read your article and added the appropriate tags to areas they deem need improvement."), and b) of adding a cited source that doesn’t correspond to the content ("... the content in that article does not, in my opinion, reflect the content in the cited source."), the implications of which I’m still not sure. But I suddenly find I have time to devote to this issue. A large number of new articles appear everyday of varying degrees of notability and compliance with Wikipedia MoS, and regardless of whether it’s "my" article, personally I consider it uncivil - to use your own expression - to slap that particular template on an article that is perfectly well sourced, laid out, etc. when there are other, more “appropriate” tags to add to a specific point you consider needs clearing up. Re. the citation not corresponding to the content, either the link is bad – which it isn’t, or you haven’t read it fully. But as you say, there’s no reason for you to do so if you’re not interested in being constructive. But please don’t throw out empty "accusations"... As for your recommendation to use the "underconstruction" template, I usually do, but on this particular occasion didn’t, as I considered the article was sufficiently "neat & tidy": it had two inline citations (it’s, like, a short article) and the rest of the content is readily available at those two referenced sources and the wikilinks, i.e. there is no original research. All articles on Wikipedia could do with more copy-editing and more inline citations - that’s where the collaborative effort comes in... We could go round in circles like this - repeating ourselves - till the cows come home, but personally I prefer to devote my time to doing more constructive things at Wikipedia. --Technopat (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
(outdent)The mention of his objection to rote learning is taken from the article on Parker (in the context of his opposition to the traditional methods of education). I did not cite it. MY inline citation refers to the statement that spelling books should be burned: both the lead and the body of the NYT article refers to it: "The spelling book appeared to be an object of the fervent wrath of the Professor. During his remarks he referred to the subject several times, and finally, in reply to a teacher who was anxious to know how he should get rid of it, he said emphatically he would burn it." The very next statement: "He admitted that he was in favor of oral spelling as a help... His idea appears to be to introduce oral spelling at about the third year of instruction." So, if it is the mention of "rote learning" that you find offensive, go ahead and remove it. Your POV: "...rote learning as I understand the term)." As for your "broader point" being that you had some questions ... "so I tagged it so I could investigate the sources." Surely you could have "investigated the sources" – the inline citations I had included – without slapping the template on. Here we go again... I had no intention of removing the template you left – my original communication to you asked whether it was really necessary. Another editor has since removed the template. I’m outta here – and look forward to contributions from other editors who know more than I/me about the subject. As I mentioned on the talk page at the Parker article, I went there to find out more about the Plan/Method – call it what you will – not to get involved in a pointless exchange.--Technopat (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Human rights draft movedThe draft page for human rights Human rights/Fetal, reproductive sections has been moved to talk:human rights/temp, per (WP:SUBP#Disallowed uses). Thought I would let you know since you contributed to the page recently. Zodon (talk) 18:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC) Bad faith editsPlease desist with your bad faith edits to glamour (disambiguation), I can only assume are related to your call for deletion in the deletion review[6], where you were the only person to vote against it. These kinds of edits have no place in the wikipedia, and if you continue to attempt to add them, I will ensure that you are no longer in a position to do so.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 14:16, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Kenneth R. PlumThanks for your extensive work on the entries for Dave Albo and Kenneth R. Plum. I do want to note that I reverted one of your changes. I'd tagged a claim in the entry for Plum as dubious, the claim that he was a cosponsor of the bill in question. As I pointed out in the talk page, the legislative record doesn't list him as a cosponsor, and I can't find any evidence that he ever had anything to do with it. It was only on the 19th that I flagged it as dubious and left that comment; I'm not sure how long that I need to let it sit before simply deleting what appears to be an inaccurate statement (in a living person's biography, at that), but there it remains. --WaldoJ (talk) 16:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
ANIHello, ChildofMidnight. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Wikipedia:Ani#User:ChildofMidnight_repeatedly_editing_Glamour_.28disambiguation.29. Thank you.Toddst1 (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Cut Foot Sioux TrailRe Cut Foot Sioux Trail, I think it reads better from your edits, although still and perhaps forever a stub. Is there better word than "made" to describe the roads previously used for logging that the trail runs along. Built? Constructed? I don't like either. They imply "up" and creating a logging road is more about "down". Aymatth2 (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Your change is an improvement - simpler. Now you mention it, the article is a bit like a tour guide, but I think that is the kind of information people would want. There is no charge for using the trail, so I suppose it is o.k. I will leave it. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC) travel company articleThanks for the format - all cites converted. :) Don't worry, I worked the double thing out. The mess was my fault anyway, on every level, so I should have been the one to clean it up. Do you think the article needs any more (neccessary) work other than the citations needed? Fuzzibloke (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC) Archiving my discussion page
Re: Your ArbCom VoteThanks for your interest in this year's ArbCom elections. Unfortunately, we were required to set a criteria for voters, and that was decided to be the following:
According to an automatic check, which I confirmed by looking at your contribution history, you have not met the requirements. Either you have not made 150 edits to articles (these edits must be in the main namespace) or you did not make them before the deadline of 23:59:59 November 1, 2008 (UTC). I've indented your votes. If you believe I sent this message in error, and that you do meet the requirements, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks, ST47 (talk) 20:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Your Help is NeededI love how you watch out for the proper definition of glamour. Well I have one for you that needs your help concerning a photojournalist turned "glamour" photographer who has written three successful books on the topic. Here's the link in deletion review [7] . The original article in question was "speedy deleted" after being listed here on Wikipedia for over two years and having endured an AfD before. The admin responsible for the SD, did so after deleting links from the original article then used his "speedy delete" powers to delete it. When questioned about it, the article went before a 2nd AfD, at which time the admin in question allowed the article to be judged, sans his link deletion of credible sources from the original state of the article. When the sources were added during the 2nd AfD, the admin would delete them immediately and eventually block them, including a link to the Univesity of Texas, San Antonio's list of notable alumni [8] on Wikipedia (Wikipedia approved pages should be a credible source) where the notability of the person (article in question) was clearly established by the university. You appear very knowledgeable in these matters and do not appear to be the type described in this article, [9] and because of this, we request your help in overturning an improper deletion. Thank you for your time. --72.191.15.133 (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I have provided some links to a good amount of sources on the AfD page. Care to take a look and reevaluate your position? Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC) ChildofMidnight/ArchiveJust a friendly note about ChildofMidnight/Archive. You accidentally created it in article space -- I took the liberty of moving it to User talk:ChildofMidnight/Archive. Cheers!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
West BandHey, I was wondering...since I just put some news article links on the West Johnston High School Marching Band page, will that be sufficient to keep it from being deleted speedily? ThanksOverseer1113 (talk) 00:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Overseer1113 (talk) 01:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your commentThanks. If either of us went close to the edge, it was me referring to the deleted post. You're getting yourself a good education in how wiki politics works. Or are you a returning user with a new id?--Peter cohen (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Update on the Status of Schedule ChickenI just wanted to follow-up and see where the Schedule chicken entry is in terms of keep vs. delete. Do you know if they voted on it already? Thanks--Apelbaum (talk) 05:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the update :-) Apelbaum (talk) 06:53, 4 December 2008 (UTC) Regarding [10]......I am starting to do so. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 01:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC) December 2008
Why not add your vote on the talk page. I did: keep. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC) Taconic State ParkHello, I;m curious why you have put distant New York State parks into the "See Also" section of Taconic State Park. What is the relationship that justifies the inclusions (other than the fact that they are all state parks of New York)?--Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. First, with regard to the parks/state forests just over the border, yes, they are connected. Bash Bish Falls State Park and Mount Washington State Forest (not to be confused with the unrelated mountain of the same name in New Hampshire) directly abut Taconic State Park; trails pass beetween them. Mount Everett State Park abuts MWSF; the Appalachian Trail passes through MWSF and MESP. All of these parks, including Taconic State Park, are located on, or at the foot of the southern Taconic Mountains. As for the inclusion of other New York State Parks in "See Also," I think the problem is where you draw the line here. If you're going to include state parks as distant as the Adirondaks and Harriman, then you're almost obliged to include all other New York State Parks that are equally distant away--and that's a lot of parks. So, unless there is some special reason to include these parks in "See Also," they should probably be excluded per WP:Not. The Catskills are closer (about an hour+ away), but still bear no direct relationship to Taconic State Park. A better link, and more to the point, would perhaps be List of New York state parks and/or a link to the New York State Parks website under "External Links." As you pointed out, it's difficult to say if the photo actually bears a relationship to the Taconic State Park. So, again, if there's no clear relationship--if it doesn't actually show the park--there's no good reason to include it. A photo that does not have a clear relationship to the article in question is not really "better than none"--it's "worse than none" because it's inaccurate. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Sure, there are a lot of NY parks, which is exactly my point. The only non-subjective relationship between the Catskills, etc. to Taconic State Park is only that: they are all NY State Parks; therefore include the list (of which Taconic State Park is a member). The notion that specific parks should be included because "I thought would be useful to those who might be interested in Taconic Park" is extremely subjective; just because you think that they might be useful, doesn't mean others will think so. You really need a better reason than your own opinion to justify their inclusion, i.e, an objective reason uniform to general readership. The Appalachian Trail is a heck of a lot closer to Taconic State Park (and is linked directly to it through a proximal network of short local trails within the same geographic subregion) than any of the parks you mention, but if you feel the need to exclude it on the same principle, I have no problem with that. Feel free to clarify the connection between Taconic State Park and abutting parkland in Massachusetts if you feel it isn't clear enough. Hope that helps to clarify things. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Again, the geographies you indicate (Catskills, Adirondaks, Harriman) have absolutely no objective relationship to Taconic State Park--unless you're biasing your choices based on assumptions about the travel preferences of New Yorkers using the Taconic State Parkway. If that's the case I would point out that Wikipedia is not a travel guide--(see Wikipedia:NOTGUIDE). Also, biasing this article to the preferences of people from NYC would be an inappproriate use of Wikipedia (not to mention that such assumptions are only your opinions about the travel preferences of New Yorkers) which aims maintains a nuetral POV. Unless you're going to include state parks along all travel axis from Taconic State Parks (also inappropriate; see below), such a purpose would show readership bias. But in the end, really, Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Your inclusion of unrelated state parks contemplates this inappropriate purpose. As for expanding the list, Wikipedia is not "an indiscriminte collection of information" (see WP:IINFO). If there's no clear, objective, unbiased relationship between a park and Taconic State Park, it simply has no place here. Furthermore, you are confusing rational with objective. You may have rationally chosen parks "based on geography, size, and facilities" but such choices do not appear to be objective. Your reasons from singling out parks on such criterion is based on the opinion that other users would similarly screen out parks in that way. But you don't know that--other users may very well have other criterion than those that you contemplate here. Am I making sense? --Pgagnon999 (talk) 14:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC) KishkaPlease see my message to you in a new section on Talk:Kishka (food). Look forward to your reply. Thank you. --Zlerman (talk) 05:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC) AWBHello there. There should have been a link in the edit summary to WP:AWB - it's AutoWikiBrowser, a piece of standalone software that's useful for the semi-automatic clean-up of Wikipedia articles. You feed it a category, it flags possible problems and typos, and asks you to make a human judgment call on each one. It gives you a text editor so that you can make any other changes you notice as being necessary, but I usually try to include a comment if I've done that. I'm not sure which edit you're referring to, regarding the removal of a link - I moved the link in Tripuri cuisine, after AWB had flagged the article for incorrectly having its links below its Category templates, but it wasn't deleted. --McGeddon (talk) 10:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC) WJHSHey again midnight, I was wondering what u think about adding another section to the WJHS page. I want to add the winter guard into the wjhs page somewhere but idk whether adding it to the main wjhs page will make it too long or w/e. how bout if i do like wjhs/winterguard and give a link? TYOverseer1113 (talk) 22:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
A note about your archivingMizsaBot won't archive threads which have less than two timestamps, so if you want to clear the three threads at the top of your archives you'll either have to manually archive them or make sure they have proper timestamps and then reply to them. Personally, I'd just manually archive them, to ensure they're archived chronologically. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC) Wireless User GroupsI don't know what to say. Wug! Having trouble typing because I keep laughing. I just can't compose a serious response. Maybe tomorrow. Aymatth2 (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC) O.k. Feeling saner now. I suggest moving your new page to "Wireless User Groups (South Africa)", a more precise title, and merging in content from the other related articles (Pretoria etc.) Mine is more like a general disambiguation page, and yours is about the groups in South Africa. They should obviously cross-link. Feel free to edit what I have done, of course. I probably will not be able to resist editing your version. And I never even heard of a Wug until a few hours ago! Aymatth2 (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC) I am baffled by your question and unable to answer correctly. I say "Two wug." Time to get some sleep. Aymatth2 (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC) --- I believe there are two separate topics. Wireless User Group talks about the subject in general, and Wireless users groups talks about what is happening in one country, South Africa - and should be renamed to show that. The general one could use a lot of improvement but is easy enough to defend. It has reasonable inbound links (references from other articles), reasonably authoritative sources and the potential to expand considerably to cover other aspects of the subject. It is certainly a topic of broad interest, with tens of thousands of people involved around the world. I am sure other knowledgeable editors will pitch in. The South African one is harder. I think it should cover all the groups in South Africa (see List of wireless community networks by region#South Africa), so I would merge in the Pretoria article, which can be changed to a redirect into a heading within this article. The Pretoria article gives information, but is definitely not neutral. Some words on the other groups is needed. Apart from that, the article should discuss the South African telecommunications environment and the potential social benefits. Maybe something about grass-roots collaboration in building an open network. The result may be light on both inbound links and solid sources, but I think is a relevant topic. Not that easy to turn into a balanced view, particularly when there is a fight going on between the author and the editor who flagged it for deletion. I want to leave this to cool off for a few days, but will monitor. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC) --- Cleaner now, but the references are still terrible. I will be interested to see the comments when it goes into WP:AFD. Wug! Aymatth2 (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC) --- I laughed at your alliterative language, then kept going on the edits. Thanks. I'm not sure the best way to define what WUGs do - the entry on Wireless community network probably has a better definition. Your edits, which otherwise really improved the intro, put in a mistake: they do not necessarily let people communicate over the Internet - in South Africa for legal reasons they don't. They are more like a Local Area Network (LAN), which connects computers together in an office, but in this case the computers are connected in a WiFi network, using radio signals instead of electrical signals. Although the WUGs are open to anyone to use, they form a closed network in the sense that the computers in the group can talk to each other, not to anything else. Of course, the techies that run the network are bound to also have links to the Internet, and probably (although they will not admit it) let those who do not have Internet connections use the connections of those who do. These are techies - direct descendants of radio hams, who would spend all their spare money on equipment so they could talk to other radio hams about the weather. I think they are interesting as a bunch of amateurs collaborating to see what kinds of interesting uses they can find for technology, bypassing the "official" commercial networks and maybe doing some very creative things. Sounds a bit like Wikipedia? The Cape Town group uses exactly the same software as Wikipedia - but they need a faster server. All the South African groups seem to closely collaborate. My guess is that they will start to help groups set up WUGs in other cities to the north where the wireline network is primitive or non-existent, which could have huge benefits in improving health, education and commerce. I would like to reference authoritative academic papers that discuss this aspect of their social impact, but suspect the article will go to AfD before I can locate even one, let alone the first ten. I will be looking for wugs, which as everyone knows are imaginary animals, instead of for some more common name. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC) --- I think a big part of the motivation - and these people spend significant money and time on it - is simply to play with technology and talk to other people who like to play with technology. Probably, they mostly talk about technology. They can also make phone calls and do internet-type things within their network. Another important use is to play online collaborative or competitive games. Online games need a lot of bandwidth, and charges are very high in South Africa. I think they also dream that they will get enough users to create a network that blankets their city and links up with other cities in the country (as Pretoria and Johannesburg have done - they are quite close to each other.) Then they have built a high-speed network that is completely managed by collaborating individuals and does not rely on the big bad telephone company in any way. Sort of fun. The ultimate dream would be a global network where anyone anywhere could talk to anyone else, or share files and videos, for free. Who knows if this will ever happen? But some have more immediate goals. They are fighting to change the law so they are allowed to provide Internet access, as in the USA, and so they can give free, fast Internet access to people in the slums where the phone and cable companies will never go. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC) --- This talk item is starting to get bigger than the articles discussed, but I thought I should add a couple of points in case you want to improve the article for non-technical readers. Check Mile First Inch Home Page, one of the External Resources on South African wireless user groups, to get a sense of what can usefully be done with the technology. A wireless mesh network, used by some of the WUGS, is a collaborative communications technology. Long words. The idea is that each member in the mesh has an antenna they use to connect to the network, but the antenna also serves as a relay that passes along other users' traffic. Imagine a few isolated users have antennas (antennae?) and also have Internet connections. They provide Internet Access Points. At first, only users within range, perhaps within a mile or less, can connect to them and thus to the Internet. But once the first ring of users has set up their antennas, more distant users can connect through the first ring, and so on. Eventually, the meshes start to overlap. A distant user can reach several different Internet Access Points by different routes through the network. It is all controlled by computers. The more antennas in the mesh, the faster and more robust it becomes. Faster because most Internet access is just in short bursts, no more than a few seconds long, so most antennas are free to relay messages most of the time. More robust because if one antenna goes down, the network just re-routes itself automatically. This is how a mesh can grow to cover a large city giving Internet access to many people with no traditional telephone wire or cable network and only a few connections to the high-speed fiber network that forms the core of the Internet. Treat the above explanation and previous notes with caution - I do not know if there are any serious references that would back up any of these assertions. Aymatth2 (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC) At your request, I've removed the spamusername block; but they will still have to get an acceptable username before we can continue with the other COI issues. I hope this compromise is acceptable to you. (Whoever it is doesn't seem to grasp the seriousness of our COI policies.) --Orange Mike | Talk 06:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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Mergers and acquisitionsHow do I merge an article? Do I have to get an Admin to do the deed?ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC) WordingThanks for your note! I'll try not to slip into essay writing mode in the future ;) Lotus (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC) You made some good comments about the above article. The initial draft was way too promotional with a lot of fluff and not enough citations. I spent a fair amount of time cleaning it up and removing fluff this morning. However, I disagree with your removal of the term "pioneering" in reference to the subject. From all of the articles cited, calling her a pioneer in the field of pets' rights seems entirely appropriate. To simply refer to her as a pets' rights attorney (as though she were one of thousands) doesn't accurately reflect what appears to be a very innovative practice focus. This is an area of the law that just didn't exist 10 years ago, and she is one of the leaders in the field. Cbl62 (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Requested movesAs with the Georgian cuisine articles, please contribute to these discussions:
--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 05:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC) I have removed my comment per your request. Thanks for the neutral eye and pulling back me from the precipice. I allowed my past interactions with Badagnani to color my commentary. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 01:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC) CandiesBusy day today but I'll try and give you a full response later. My thoughts after looking at cakes was that a tabular format including: name, alternative names, different versions (e.g., cola bottles might have fizzy cola bottles as an alternate), country of origin - would be a starting point. Unusual? Quite TalkQu 10:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Brownmark/Glorified riceI noticed you changed your mind on the Brownmark Films deletion page from "Delete" to "Weak Keep", possibly after I added some additional info and clarified a few things. When a person decides to change their mind, do they leave up their original vote, or should they delete it on favor of their new one? I'm semi-new at this and am always trying to learn the correct Wikipedia etiquette. Plus, I'd really like to keep the article up! Also, I can't believe you wrote the Glorified Rice article! I just read it with my family when I was home for Thanksgiving. We're from northern Wisconsin, we're Lutheran, and we're from a Scandinavian heritage -- and we had no idea the dish was specific to that area. I thought everybody ate that stuff! Actually, for most of my childhood I thought that just my family called it Glorified Rice as a joke because my Aunt Gloria (who we call "Glor") always made it around the holidays -- like she "Glorified" the rice by making it her own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatner1 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC) Pet trust and HirschfeldWhat you've done with the Pet trust article looks fine for me, and there seem to be plenty of references available, they just need to be integrated into the text with inline citations now. As for Rachel Hirschfeld, I'm not sure yet what to think. I admit that I haven't yet read the article from beginning to end, but at first glance, I would say: even though you and Cbl62 have done a good cleaning up the blatant advertising, it is still a lot of text for someone who, as far as I can tell, meets our notability requirements but isn't all that amazing beyond that. For example, the "early life" section goes into detail on facts like where she served as a clerk—as far as I can tell, that's not very notable. No one has written an article saying what I did for a summer job when I got out of college. (of course that is an unfair comparison, but I'm just trying to make a point.) And there are large sections talking not so much about notable things she has done, but her positions on the issue of pet trusts—that's not notable, that's just her job. Basically, part of me thinks this article looks a lot like a glorified fan website. But I'll have to read it more closely before I can make any formal decision about it and its DYK status. —Politizer talk/contribs 00:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
ToolbarThank you for your comments on my toolbar. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Memory AlphaI agree with you that the Memory Alpha close did not represent the consensus of the discussion. Note however that DRV is not appropriate since the article was not deleted. We only need revert. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Deleted redirectThat one was deleted as "unlikely or implausible". What do you think, incidentally, of the actual article? The creator's edit history makes me wonder about his priorities and intentions. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC) CherriesThanks, are you a cherry enthusiast? There are a few other cherry articles that need creating or expanding. Badagnani (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Yeah, they're candy canes--they come in other flavors and colors besides the red-and-white peppermint ones. I saw something about it on the Food Channel's "Unwrapped" program. I collect chestnuts every year and somehow there are small worms that get inside those as well. I don't know how they do it, unless they get in there during the flower stage. Perhaps the flowers are pollinated by flies rather than bees as is the case for some plants such as the pawpaw. Badagnani (talk) 21:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Oh, no--a candy cane is curvy--the rods are straight. Badagnani (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC) OK, got it--it's a candy stick. See [11]. I think candy stick should be expanded, with a photo. Badagnani (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Photo added. Badagnani (talk) 23:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Oh yeah, just go on Flickr and search for what you like, then click "Advanced search" and limit to free photos by clicking all three boxes: "Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content," "Find content to use commercially," and "Find content to modify, adapt, or build upon." Usually the pickings are slim and the free photos aren't as good. However, I've written to a lot of photographers, and maybe about 80%, if they're asked, will change the license on that photo to allow it to be used as a representative photo at Wikipedia (with link to their Flickr page and credit to them). I can send you sample letters if you find better images and would like to start trying that. Badagnani (talk) 23:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Also try these two very powerful tools (though they won't help get permission for non-freely licensed photos):
Badagnani (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC) I grew up in the early '70s and they were called "old-fashioned" then, too. But the colors are certainly very artificial! Emailing a Flickr photographer is quick and only usually takes a couple of minutes. You have to have a Flickr account, then just send them a private message. Badagnani (talk) 01:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Of course--just see Image:Sloppyjoemeat.jpg, and follow it to the original Flickr photo page. You'll see what I do. Badagnani (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC) You can see some of my photo uploads here. Badagnani (talk) 01:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Help me section
Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank YouThank you for your encouragement, humor and probing questions, attempts to answer some of which found their way into the article. Did you notice the picture of the tin-can antenna? It reminds me of a simple device with two tin cans linked with a tight string that my sister and I played with as children, a very basic and not very effective sort of walkie talkie. But these ones really are real. Back to the day job. Thanks again. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Re: Lotus fieldI'm not totally sure, but I'm pretty sure they were farming them for pretty much everything. I went there with a friend (whose aunt or cousin or something was the person who owned and worked those fields) and when we were there we were mostly popping the lotus seeds or whatever--the funny little round things that pop out of that green or yellow part that looks like a showerhead. They seem to be pretty common food in that part of China (which is considered to be part of southern China but is really pretty much in the middle)...as finger food, as part of various cooked dishes, etc. So we were just sort of picking the little whatevers and eating them for fun, but the woman who was actually working had a big basket on her back and was taking the whole flower, and I think also the root As for Buddha and the lotus flowers...I'm not sure where that originally came from...that would be interesting to look into some more. —Politizer talk/contribs 21:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Hahahahhaha
Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC) AdminWatchI have little time at the moment. What kind of "tweaks" were you thinking of? In the process? Tony (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC) PhotosNo contact was necessary because the "CC" and "CC-share alike" license (the latter of which is "some rights reserved") are kosher for WP. Other licenses, such as "CC non-commercial" or "CC-no modifications" are not. Which photo did you link? Regarding my uploads, just follow the link I sent you (here it is again) and you'll see numerous photos I took myself. Badagnani (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Here are some others I added. Badagnani (talk) 01:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC) They all look pretty good. Some of the photos were my own, others were found on Flickr and had the right license so I went ahead and uploaded them without asking, and others I had to ask for a change of license first. You can upload your own photos no problem. You can put them right onto en:WP, or onto Commons (so they can be used by Wikipedias in other languages more easily), or you can put them onto Flickr, then onto one of the aforementioned WikiProjects. Any way you want to do it. Badagnani (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Looks like it's also called "stick candy."[12] Badagnani (talk) 02:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC) The article isn't perfect, but it isn't spam either. The company meets WP:CORP as well. Hope that answers everything, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 02:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC) New photoSee Pistachio pudding. I wrote to this photographer and he changed his license. Usually people are happy to do it, as it gives them a lot of exposure for their photos. Badagnani (talk) 03:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Asian fruitsMyrica rubra (yangmei) is popular in Shanghai but very rare in North America. I've never had one fresh, but you can get them in Chinese grocery stores marinated in baijiu (hard liquor). It's got a big pit and hundreds of tiny, soft, fleshy nibs all the way around, something like a raspberry but firmer. The ume plum Prunus mume is the Japanese apricot. I've never had one fresh, but they're very good in Korean and Japanese plum wine (look in liquor stores or Asian restaurants for a bottle with little whole green plums in the bottle). They're also excellent in Japanese sour, salty umeboshi (not to everyone's taste; if you like salty and sour things you'll love them--they're good with rice and as an ingredient in sushi). There is also umeboshi vinegar and Korean sweet plum syrup, which can be purchased in a jar and used as a concentrate to make hot or cold tea. Hope this gives you enough info on these fruits. Badagnani (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Refactoring commentsDo not remove my comments on article talk pages, such behavior is disruptive and can lead to blocks, this is your first warning.— Dædαlus Contribs 04:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Weird. I didn't even see your comment when I was making mine, which is why I was responding to the other comment. I'm not sure what happened, but I'm glad you caught it and fixed it. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC) If we can expand it a bit, we can submit it to WP:DYK. It would have to be at least 1500 characters (right now it's 900). Maybe Google Books has some history of this item. Badagnani (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC) [13] will need to be lightened with "Auto levels" in Photoshop before uploading to Wikipedia. "Stick candy" seems to be more used in a Google search by about double, if you add "old fashioned" to the search. If you don't, they're about equal (but probably include other things that aren't the item we're talking about). Badagnani (talk) 04:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC) I think it's almost ready to submit to WP:DYK. Badagnani (talk) 05:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC) OK, done. See Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_December_9. Badagnani (talk) 05:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Great, I made the first verse into a quote. Badagnani (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Someone is claiming this is a British candy called "rock." Please refer to the link above and see my comment. Badagnani (talk) 21:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC) DYK for Rachel Hirschfeld (attorney)
BorgQueen (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank youHello ChildofMidnight. Thank you for the Congrats. It seems to me that for some unknown reason User: Sponsianus has an agenda of ripping the article apart, see how ridiculus he gotten: Talk:Ivan Castro (soldier). I can't understand what his problem is. This is Wikipedia, therefore feel free to add any good sourced information on the marathons which Sponsianus eliminated because of his own personnel perception. I know I will once I cool down. Thank you once more. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC) hellohello fellow midnight. may I sugguest that you put a "k" in midnight? it sounds much more awesome than your already uber name. MidKnightHunter (talk) 20:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Thank you once moreThank you once more for your comments. Hey, I see that you are interested in cuisine. Check out the one and only article that I ever wrote about something edible: Piragua (food). In it you will see the pictures of my daughter and two grand-daughters which were taken while our visit to Puerto Rico when the government of the island paid me tribute. You are a good person. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC) ThanksThis made me laugh. Cheers, —Politizer talk/contribs 09:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Which?Which article? Badagnani (talk) 06:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC) mergeMention it on the article talk p. As for preserving the edit history, I don't know much bout that; ideally there should be at least a redirect from the deleted article. I am not sure to what extent the content is worth including in the main article -- if it's challenged I'd be inclined to let it go. If it stays, consider rewriting in paragraph form. Consider giving an indication for where in the work they appear either first or most notably. DGG (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Move of Nazi PhilosophersHi, sorry about that, it was moved because it was covering philosophers that were not only German but also Italian, French and other racist philosophies from the 19th century. by user:Savabubble Goan theaterI'm afraid I don't know anything about it, though I have some Goan friends and like Kesarbai Kerkar. For the length of the stick candy, there are sources that give about 4.5 to 5 inches as the regular length. Regarding the keeshka lyrics I don't know what those other foods are. Badagnani (talk) 23:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Hey midnight, I've been doing a bunch of editing. Ive wikified a few articles, unorphaned some, merged one or two, and added info to some. I was wondering what you think about this article: Bowling terms. Should I merge this into Bowling? OverSeer (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
LengthSee [15] and http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="stick+candy"+"inches+long"+"old+fashioned"&btnG=Search. Badagnani (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC) MessageI think you can do pretty much anything but I've never heard of that. That's "hacker" territory (which probably 80% of Wikipedians are, but I'm not). Badagnani (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC) LengthAfter looking at the links I sent you it seems you're picking the "weird" exception rather than the rule. Badagnani (talk) 02:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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Kishka (Jewish food) and Kishka (food)Hi, I notice the copyright bot listed Kishka (Jewish food) as a copyright violation of Kishka (food) at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations. Normally copyright violations (GFDL violation) between Wikipedia articles are caused by copy&paste move/merge without attributing the source-article. But these two pages seem different, and the histories look confusing to me (too many edits in the last few days :)). Would you mind explaining to me what happened so I could see how to fix the copyright issues (if any). Thanks, --PeaceNT (talk) 12:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
...whoever said that they were old knights. I mean the new knights. the unwelcome protectors. see you later, ChildofMidKnight.MidKnightHunter (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC) WUG AfDThanks for your feedback on the South African wireless user groups AfD process. I wanted it to go through that to clear the air. I have found some new refs and will probably expand the article some time, mostly the part on rural networks, which seem to have a lot of potential. I don't have any ambition to try for DYK, but would like to make it a bit more complete and coherent. Thanks again. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Band/FoamySo like I have it? or different? And yeah I already moved the old info back to my userspace. I didnt want to just throw that info away. Also go to my userspace and check out the foamy draft im doing. Have you ever heard of Foamy? OverSeer (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Lobster candyIt must have been too elaborate to make, though they say it was one of the greatest candies ever. Too bad we don't still have it, though maybe we could try to revive it. The closest we have are Boston Baked Beans (candy). By the way, I just bought some horehound lozenges in Oberlin, Ohio. You can probably find some where you are, in an old-time general store-type place. Regarding song lyrics, sure, put more in. Articles can get fairly long. Nobody has yet certified our WP:DYK! Badagnani (talk) 07:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Is it not cold where you are? I saw them and had to buy them, since we'd been discussing them, but also because I might get a sore throat or cold this winter and they'd come in handy. This is the website of the ones I got. I think there's some misinformation from the candy cane proponents because the recipes we have from the 1800s clearly talk about mixing in color to make stripes. Badagnani (talk) 07:40, 13 December 2008 (UTC) I like SoCal and have performed in San Diego and visited L.A. (hung out in the Cambodian area of Long Beach) and Orange County (Little Saigon). I'm an ethnomusicologist and specialize in and play Asian music from several countries. I've been to China and Thailand but not in the last few years. Badagnani (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC) By the way, have you ever been to the Tongva springs at University High School? They are amazing. Badagnani (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Trinity MorganaYou can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Trinity Morgana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) she is listed in all the adult film databases http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/actor.cfm?actorid=50438 http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=TrinityMorgana/gender=F/trinity-morgana.htm and has been in penthouse plus is a known actress name! I feel this was due to her religious choice or an disgruntled editor/admin and nothing more.I tried to contact deleteing admin but that admin admits to closing their talk page Billmathies (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC) --> Stick candyHi, can you add some Christmas-related information? )See [16].) Badagnani (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC) *sigh*Ορισμένοι ζητούν vigilantes μας, κάποιοι μας αποκαλούν εγκληματίες. Αυτοί που κάνουν δυσάρεστη την υπεράσπιση του κοινού καλού. Αυτό είναι ένα MidKnight.http://www.google.com/ig?hl=en&referrer=ign MidKnightHunter (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Hi there, hope you're having a good time. Thank you so much for that wonderful ideas you've share in the discussion of Randy Mengullo. Thank you for time and expetise for helping my article. Some small facts that somehow may help: 1. During the time when sensei Randy Mengullo is still active in martial arts competitions (1988-1994) computer and internet are just read or topics in the book. The Visayan Daily Star (35 years in the print media), the most awarded newspaper in the region have just established computer/internet access more or less in the year 2001. That's why its hard for us to established notability if the google search is the measurement of standard. I have here a dozen of "hard copy/original" press realeses, sports news and certificates to concerning sensei Mengullo achievements. 2. Jack & Jill School is a elementary institution and most of the players are ages 6-12. That's why it hard for us to established prominent figure because most of te media people focus in the college level or professional level competitions and some of our students transfered to Manila or Cebu to pursue their college education. I may say the team belongs to the "grass roots" level of sports program in the country but if given the chance to compete the team shines from City Meet, Provincial, Regional up to National level competitions. It always proven in the National Karatedo Federation Karatedo Championship and Philipine Olympic Festival held every year in different area in the contry (the local version of Olympic). 3. I tried to give references even the name of the Mr. Randy Mengullo are not mention in the press release or in the sports news because it's all connected when talking karate achievements is concern. Some of the sport news only mention Jack & Jill School Team, JJS Karate, JJS karatedo or simply JJS but in general the official coach/trainer is Mr. Mengullo. Hi there, I try to follow your advice to put some authors, date, volume and other information about the magazines to be put as references and also a some scan articles or cover of the magazines but somehow i was late to include it because the Randy Mengullo article was already redirected to Jack & Jill School... What will I do to retain it? For that I can modify it or put some useful information like what you've told me. Thankz a lot!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjskarate (talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC) Hope it can somehow help or clear this topic. Thank you so much!!! Jjskarate (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
The article of sensei Randy Mengullo was published yesterday in "Sunday Inquirer Magazine" of Philippine Daily Inquirer, one of the leading national newspaper in the country. Kindy help me make this a reference accepted to retain or pass the notability... THANK YOU SO MUCH in advance!!! http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/sim/sim/view/20081214-177923/Life-Lessons-from-Karate Jjskarate (talk) 00:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC) I've seen you on a couple of the AFDs for Filipino Fraternities and Sororities. Would you please take a look at the List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines article at this point and let me know what you think.Naraht (talk) 05:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC) I responded on my page, just to keep it together.Naraht (talk) 14:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
In-Quest reflist......oops, thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC) AnswersWell, I'm not sure, but you could try it this way: Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject_Vietnam -- they're ordered sequentially so the last ones would presumably be the newest articles that have the project banner. Badagnani (talk) 19:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC) You could also count the total articles using this tool (which most projects have): Wikipedia:WikiProject_Vietnam/Assessment. Badagnani (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC) We don't usually use other WP articles as sources, because all WP articles should be sourced with off-Wiki sources. Badagnani (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC) I saw Peruvian when I was in L.A. too; I didn't try the food (it was mostly meat, and I'm a vegan), but I tried a sweet, purple drink made from corn kernels. I've forgotten the name. Cambodian food is like Thai but maybe even more exotic. I tried a bitter leaf vegetable called sadao (which is called neem in English). They have Cambodian bands play at the clubs on the weekends. It's worth a trip down there. Badagnani (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Math article stylePlease stop correcting napkin folding problem. It is not a puzzle but a geometry problem. And the subject should come second in accordance with math style, see e.g. Krein–Milman theorem, Kepler conjecture, Erdős-Diophantine graph, Centroidal Voronoi tessellation, Szemerédi–Trotter theorem, Helly's theorem, etc. If you feel this is still wrong, please discuss on the talk page of the article. Thank you. Mhym (talk) 01:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
As you've brought the issue to my talk page I'm replying here. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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