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Henry I. Miller

Unless I'm missing something, rBST is recombinant bovine somatotrophin, and the description of it as a "genetically engineered hormone" makes more sense than your description of it as a "protein produced naturally by a cow’s pituitary." Cows may produce BST, but they certainly don't produce recombinant BST. Clarifying the article to indicate that the recombinant hormone is administered to the cows in addition to whatever amount of the hormone the cows produce naturally is one thing, but your edit seems disingenuous. Meters (talk) 04:55, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


The article quoted from a newspaper column written by the subject. The description in the article mis-stated what that author/subject wrote. I corrected it to reflect what the subject actually wrote. I think if one quotes from a source, one needs to actually use what they wrote, not one's interpretation thereof. This was hardly disingenuous. If anything was disingenuous, it was the previous edition.

If you want to edit the article to state that "recombinant hormone is administered to the cows in addition to whatever amount of the hormone the cows produce naturally", that probably would be accurate, but I don't think it's fair to reference something that doesn't support what was written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Cfulbright (talk • contribs) 05:39, July 5, 2014

The statement can use clarification, and I've suggested one approach. You can choose to use it or something similar as you wish, but I will object to any attempt to whitewash the article. The referenced New York Times opinion piece by Miller is clearly discussing and promoting the advantages of injecting rBST into dairy cattle. rBST may be identical to the hormone produced by cattle, but it is produced via genetically engineered organisms. There's no interpretation of the article involved. Meters (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Then you need to find an article that says that, and then reference that article, because the column by Miller does NOT say that.
Which part of what I said do you disagree with? As far as I see the article does indeed say what I said it does. Perhaps you should read it again. Here's the link again: [1]
And here are some quotes from it to show that Miller is:
  • discussing rBST and the advantages of using it: "One way to ease the shortage and lower the prices is to take greater advantage of a proven 13-year-old biological technology that stimulates milk production in dairy cows — a protein called recombinant bovine somatotropin (rBST), or bovine growth hormone. The protein, produced naturally by a cow’s pituitary, is one of the substances that control its milk production. It can be made in large quantities with gene-splicing (recombinant DNA) techniques. The gene-spliced and natural versions are identical."
  • discussing injecting rBST into dairy cattle and the advantages of doing so: "When rBST is injected into cows, their digestive systems become more efficient at converting feed to milk. It induces the average cow, which produces about eight gallons of milk each day, to make nearly a gallon more. More feed, water, barn space and grazing land are devoted to milk production, rather than other aspects of bovine metabolism, so that you get seven cows’ worth of milk from six. "
As I said, Miller is clearly discussing and promoting the advantages of injecting recombinant BST into dairy cattle. If you are objecting to the use of "genetically engineered organisms" I didn't claim that Miller explicitly used that term, and the original version of the article did not use that term either, but that is what he is referring to. There's no other way of obtaining recombinant anything. Here's a quote from Bovine somatotropin that discusses how recombinant BST is created: "The two companies used genetic engineering to clone the rBST gene into E. coli. The bacteria are grown in bioreactors, then broken up and separated from the rBST, which is purified to produce the injectable hormone." Meters (talk) 04:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The previous quote, whether written by you or someone else, stated that "He is also a defender of Bovine Growth Hormone (rBST), a genetically engineered hormone". That's not at all what the reference itself says. In fact, in that article he writes, "rBST, a protein produced naturally by a cow’s pituitary that controls its milk production". "Occurs naturally" is exactly the opposite of "genetically engineered hormone."

So again, if you have another reference that calls rBST "a genetically engineered hormone", please reference that. Otherwise, you are putting words in the author's mouth. {{unsigned2}05:13, July 6, 2014‎| Cfulbright}}

There are hundreds of them. How about "Molecular Biology and Genetic Engineering* ,P. K. Gupta, 2008 for a start? "The recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBST), also called Bovine Somatotrophin (rBST), is a genetically engineered hormone manufactured by Monsanto..." Care to give me a reliable source that states that recombinant BST is produced in cows? Not the identical hormone, but produced via recombinant DNA means. I don't think anyone is doing gene splicing on cattle.
I'm not wasting any more time on this. Either you don't understand that the term recombinant means that the hormone was created using recombinant DNA (gene spliced) in genetically engineered bacteria, or you are intentionally misstating things. I'm done. You've been warned.

"I'm done. You've been warned." ? Who are you, the thought police? Or just a Wikipedia bully who is used to getting his way all the time?

You are the one being not only obtuse, but actually falsifying posts here. My point is very simple, and I can't understand why you don't comprehend it. I'll state it once again, and hopefully you can get it this time. It's really not that difficult.

The old text mentioned "genetically engineered hormone" and then linked to an article written by Henry Miller that did NOT call rBST a "genetically engineered hormone". This is pretty simple. The reference doesn't support the statement in the article.

You've said "there are hundreds of them." Fine. Use one of them as the reference link instead. But don't link a source that doesn't support the statement at all. This is research 101.

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Information icon Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Henry I. Miller‎, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Feel free to discuss your concern on the article's talk page, but that tag looks well deserved to me. Many of the refs in that article are to Miller's writings, not to independent 2nd or 3rd party sources. Meters (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The problem is resolved. Go read what I wrote on the Talk page.

Did you read what I wrote in the Edit Summary? I gave my reasons for believing the problem is resolved and the template can be removed.

It's not resolved just because you think you are correct. I challenged your removal and I took it to the talk page and asked for other opinions. Wait for other editors to respond. You posted while I was composing my message and I did not notice what you had put on the talk page until just now.
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Talk:Henry I. Miller

I refactored your comments on this talk page. You inserted them in the middle of someone else's comments, which makes it very difficult to follow who wrote what. The thread is long enough that it was not obvious where to move your comments to. My apologies if you don't agree with my move.

Both of the issues you raised had already been dealt with, and the material was no longer in the article. There's not much point in worrying about something that other editors have already discussed and fixed. You need to read the whole thread and look at what changes have already been made to the article. Meters (talk) 04:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edit was misguided and completely misread what the sentence said. He was the ONLY American soldier executed for desertion SINCE the Civil War. That is a fact that is supported by the sources. Nobody said he was in the American Civil War. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please also read WP:RS and WP:POV. The link you provided to a single Lars Larson podcast in which the host says "It's good to have you back on the program" does not show that Miller is a regular guest, just that he has been on the show before, and says nothing about Miller's supposed appearances on John Batchelor's show. Your changes to the section on the Monsanto/Forbes’s article appeared to be whitewashing. The original text "reported that Miller had asked Monsanto to draft an article for him in 2015 which was later published under his name on Forbes’s website in 2015" more accurately covered what the cited source said than your version "reported that in 2015 an article under Miller’s name on Forbes’s website included excerpts from a document provided by Monsanto." The New York Times wrote "Henry I. Miller, an academic and a vocal proponent of genetically modified crops, asked Monsanto to draft an article for him that largely mirrored one that appeared under his name on Forbes’s website in 2015." There is a very large and important difference between an academic using excerpts from a company report (as you would have us believe) and having a company write a preliminary version of a report for him (as the Times reports). Meters (talk) 19:03, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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