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Ratio and Pi

Hi there, re this, please see Ratio#Notation and terminology. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 08:47, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Marsy's Law

Hi Carleas, I see you are a lawyer and have recently made constructive edits to the Victims' Rights Amendment article. I posted a simple edit request at Marsy's Law last month asking editors to include recently enacted Marsy's Laws in Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota. I thought this might be something you may like to review based on your interests. Can you look it over? I have a conflict of interest that is fully disclosed on the Marsy's Law Talk page and I will not edit the page myself. Instead, I have worked with others in the past to update Marsy's Law and created Marsy's Law (Illinois) through WP:AfC, but have had trouble finding assistance from editors for the most recent changes. I would appreciate any help you may be able to provide or any advice on where I might be able to find help if not. Thank you. JulieMSG (talk) 23:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Unsolved problems in philosophy. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Bonadea (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I replied to this on your user page, 16:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it wasn't vandalism

I'm pretty amazed, actually. I agree that you tried to clarify. If you ever come back to Wikipedia, please let me know - you'd be a valuable resource in the much-benighted field of philosophy where people like your critic hold sway (and they are often undergraduates or folks without any background in philosophy). Hope you're still around!--Levalley (talk) 03:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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Thank you, I was begonning to suspect that this is a contentious topic. Please reply to my comments on the RfC so that we may build consensus and clean up the article. Carleas (talk) 10:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Shambuka

A discussion about the lead sentence is on Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Shambuka. Request your inputs. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 09:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Shambuka. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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"An editor who repeatedly restores their preferred version is edit warring"

Did you mean to post this on your own wall?

Carleas (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• You can reply at the AN3 report. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 15:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you, I think administrative intervention is overdue.

  Carleas (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Shambuka) for a period of 2 weeks for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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Carleas (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Reading WP:3RR, I think I did violate the bright line rule, but my intent was not be disruptive and I would avoid similar behavior in the future.

Most of what I now understand to be 'reverts' were either 1) changing language I understood to be rejected by the RfC[1], so I understood myself to be making new bold edits rather than reverting-a-revert; or 2) restoring changes that it seemed were inadvertently made by other editors, based on both their edit summaries and their history modifying the page:

1. [2] added draft language from the discussion page,[3] which had been discussed between several editors during the RfC and received no substantive objections. My apologies that this edit didn't have a summary, I made a subsequent edit which contained a summary for both.[4]
2. [5] restored edits removed in an edit with the summary "RV unilateral change against RfC", referring to the recent RfC that dealt with the first line of the article, but which were mostly unrelated to the first sentence or the RfC (the exception being that it restored the Dispute_inline tag at the end of the first line).
3. [6] was a full revert-to-a-revert that again reverted numerous changes made in multiple edits with the edit summary "Rv no consensus", which I again take to refer to the first sentence. (I can see this was an overreaction on my part and I apologize; I'd made many small edit, had them blown away inadvertently, painstakingly restored the unrelated edits, and then had them all blow away again. Reverting the entire thing was much easier than manually separating them out again.)
4. [7] This was a proposed compromise, discussed in talk here [8], again removing the language rejected by the RfC and (as I understood it) making a new bold edit.
5. [9] was a true revert, which I thought was justified because of the edit summary, "yes it is too", which I took as a response to my edit summary, "Describing the Uttara Kanda as an interpolation is supported by some sources; no source calls Shambuka "an interpolated character"." (The tone of the assertion without reasoning or source or engaging in Talk struck me as vandalism/bad faith, but having read the WP:VANDALISM more fully I am less sure that I was right to conclude that.)

I don't think a two week block is necessary to prevent me from disruptive editing, I understand why my editing was problematic and I'll take greater pains to avoid edit warring behavior going forward. I think my contributions to the article have improved it and I would like to continue working on it.

Thank you for your consideration and for your work on this project,

Carleas (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

As there is no edit you wish to urgently make to the article itself, the block isn't preventing you from doing anything. 331dot (talk) 07:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Carleas,
Is there a specific change you'd like to make to the article at the moment? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ToBeFree

No, I don't have a specific edit right now, I haven't done anything with the article since the report was filed. Carleas (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah okay. That's fine of course – and I won't judge as appeals are reviewed by other administrators than the blocking one – but in general, unblock requests are the likeliest to succeed if they contain an example of a helpful contribution currently prevented by the block. Of course, for an edit warring block, that shouldn't be (even close to) a controversial contribution or a revert. And as the block is limited to one page, these appeals are rare and most are made just because the filer doesn't like to be blocked. Which is understandable but not necessarily the strongest argument. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

With respect, "an example of a helpful contribution currently prevented by the block" is different from "a specific change you'd like to make to the article at the moment". Were I unblocked, I would continue the work I've been doing gathering relevant sources on the talk page and trying to pick apart the disagreement that led to the RfC. The research I've done as part of that process has led to many other edits throughout the article. I would begin by discussing 'claim 2' here,[10] similar to what I did with claim 1.[11] I'm also interested in aspects of the character mentioned here [12]; this page has been subject to a slow-burning edit war for over two years, and it struck me from the beginning of my involvement that it wasn't clear from the page why that was happening. I made an attempt to include a discussion of that aspect of the character,[13] but I now believe it was incomplete.

If I don't get unblocked, the article will be fine and I'll continue what I was working on in a couple weeks. But I was hoping to keep working on it sooner, and the research I've done will go a bit stale in my head as I wait. That is a negligible cost to Wikipedia and only slightly larger to me.

I've taken enough of your time, I appreciate you listening and explaining. I'm frustrated, but I get it.

Thanks,

Carleas (talk) 13:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

And now I see I can contribute to the talk page, so the cost is even lower. Apologies, and thanks again!

Carleas (talk) 14:12, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, this is really limited to the article itself and doesn't prevent talk page discussion. I guess your proposed edits would just have been reverted by ArvindPalaskar, who is blocked in the same way; the article would probably benefit from others being able to edit without interference of a few users who vehemently disagree with each other. If there is an uncontroversial change that can simply be made by anyone during the blocks, {{edit partially-blocked}} can help getting the change into the article through an independent reviewer who has likely never seen the page before. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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