User talk:Burningview/Archive 2

Welcome our new members! Stefan and MacMed

Stefan is building the Outline of sharks.

MacMed has joined our advanced wiki-tools team, and is currently adding links to outlines in the corresponding subject articles' see also sections.

Be sure to stop by their talk pages and say "hi".

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Watchers needed!

If you haven't already, please add the entire project's watchlist to your watchlist. Here's how:

From the edit window, copy and paste Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist into your raw watchlist.

Or go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Watchlist using Related changes and click on "Related changes" in the toolbox menu in Wikipedia's sidebar on the left hand side of the screen.

Check the watchlist every time you log on!

I forgot to mention this step above.  :)

The OOK is in 5 other Wikipedias?

I can't make heads or tails of 'em, but these links were on Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge:

• ar:ويكيبيديا:مواضيع أساسية
• fa:پورتال:فهرست موضوعات پایه
• pl:Przegląd dziedzin wiedzy
• pt:Portal:Conteúdo/Esboço do conhecimento
• zh-yue:基礎課題表清單

Resurrected from the grave yard...

I discovered an AfD discussion on possibly the first article named "Outline of", which was called Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics, and which was created 4 years ago. Of course they deleted it. But now it has many friends, and so it has risen from the dead.  :)

See the DRV discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 June 7#Outline of Islamic and Muslim related topics.

A diamond buried in project space

• When G716 found the page "Learn" tucked away as a subpage of the Probability WikiProject, he thought "This deserves to be in the article space", and moved it to the encyclopedia. See Outline of probability.

Recruiting

Recruiters needed. Drop me a note if you are interested.

Advice from the mentors

• Astatine-210, Strdst grl, and Willscrlt - link to the outlines from the corresponding subject articles' see also sections - this is underway by MacMed (non-country outlines) and User talk:NuclearWarfare (counry outlines).
• Astatine-210 - add a link to the outlines to the disambiguation pages of the corresponding subjects - good idea. Since "Outline" is just the type of page, not the subject, I think these might qualify for inclusion on disambiguation pages. We need someone to look into the relevant guidelines on this.
• SimonTrew - provide a badge (userbox) for WPOOK members to add to their user pages - Penubag will have one for us soon.
• Zachary crimsonwolf - create a card explaining outlines, and send it to everyone you know, and make it viral (by including a request for the recipients to send the card to everyone they know) - this task has been split in three:

1. Creation of a "thank you for your interest" card which introduces (explains) outlines, to send to queriers, new participants to discussions, those who seem to be confused about outlines, etc.
2. Creation of a thank you card / invitation to the WPOOK, to send to users we see working on outlines, including a request for them to invite others whom they think might be interested

• weebiloobil - contact Wikignomes - OK...

3. Creation of an invitation to Wikignomes, with a brief rundown on the types of tasks there are for them to do on the outlines. The invitation will include a request for them to invite anyone they think would enjoy working on outlines.

• weebiloobil - add examples to Wikipedia:Outlines - more examples will be added as suitable outlines are completed
• weebiloobil - add a picture to Wikipedia:Outlines (it doesn't have to be relevant), to provide atmosphere and to break it up visually and add a splash of color - will do, and we'll add a caption to make it relevant, with a link to the outline on that subject. Thank you for the idea.
• Zachary crimsonwolf - ask Jimbo Wales to bestow the award(s) for the country outlines contest, once you get it going first - we'll give that a try
• Zachary crimsonwolf - ask everyone in the project to inform their acquaintances around Wikipedia about the OOK - will do, as soon as the cards
• UzEE - collaborate with all the WikiProjects you share scope with - we've placed a banner on their talk pages, and have placed task notices on some. We'll be posting more tasks, and plan to create a section on contents system development and maintenance for each WikiProject page itself.
• SriMesh - if you can't get outlines added to next year's WikiCup, then create your own WikiCup-like contest - there's 6 months left to this year to address reservations and work out the details at WikiCup. In the meantime, there's the 200-WikiProject contest, which needs input.

More outline tasks

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge/Drafts/Outline of chocolate draft - our current outline collaboration!
• Outline of psychology - someone moved a big chunk of this article to the talk page, leaving a big gap in the outline. Editors are needed to add subheadings and links.
• See also links - add {{main|Outline of x}} (where "x" is the subject) to the see also section of the corresponding subject article of each outline

New outlines in article space

• Outline of sharks - under construction in article space
• Outline of Hinduism (converted from "List of Hinduism-related topics")

New outline drafts

• Outline of chocolate
• Outline of Christianity

Main discussion pages

• Wikipedia talk:Outlines
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge
• Portal talk:Contents/Outline of knowledge

Keep up the great work

I'm impressed with the level of enthusiasm and work going into the outlines. I'm proud to be working with each of you.

The Transhumanist 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. : Burningview, nice work so far on the Outline of Christianity. I look forward to seeing your finished result. -TT

Outline collaboration #2: Outline of Gibraltar

This outline is approaching completion.

I added a bunch more links, finding them with the following Google site-specific searches of Wikipedia:

• "of" and "Gibraltar"

• "in" and "Gibraltar"

• "for" and "Gibraltar"

• with "Gibraltar" not at the end

(You can use the wikicode for the links above as the basis for new searches - just replace "Gibraltar" with any other country or region name).

Request: please redirect the redlinks! (bluelinking...)

The redlinks need to be bluelinked where possible. The most useful way is to create redirects leading to the material (which is usually included in a section of an article - see Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects to page sections. That way, when the redirect pages are replaced by the actual articles, the links will already point to the right places.

Please take a crack at it, and bluelink a few.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 00:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I finally got to whack somebody with a trout!

That was fun.  :)

The Transhumanist 23:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Outline update - Push push push - 06/25/2009

Work is proceeding apace...

• Julian is working on getting a bot account (and he delivered this update as his trial run).
• Penubag is working on the Project page and upcoming contest.
• Buaidh is developing all of the U.S. state historical outlines.
• Tarheel95 is writing a proposal to add a link to the Main Page leading to the the OOK.
• Highfields is integrating the OOK into the encyclopedia by deorphanizing outlines by placing a {{main}} link in the see also section of the subject articles that have a corresponding outline.
• I've been trying to keep up with them.  :)

New members

• Minnecologies - developing Outline of forestry and is watching the big picture.
• Mnation2 - improving Outline of Lebanon

Hatnotes

The current consensus is that we can't place a hatnote leading to an outline at the top of a subject articles unless the outline being presented is of at least the same quality-level as the article.

What's next...

Improve outline quality by completing them.

Place hatnotes for the outlines of high enough quality.

Guidelines pertaining to outlines need to be updated. Outlines emerged as a class of pages only a few months ago, and most of the relevant guidelines don't cover them specifically. For example, Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists is incredibly out of date.

Invite wikignomes, wikielves, and wikifairies (all 2500+ of them) to help on the outlines .

Identify 600 more subjects with coverage extensive enough to justify outlines, create rudimentary drafts for them, and post notices to the corresponding WikiProjects and subject talk pages to help build them.

Convert outlines titled "List of" to outline articles, and add them to the OOK. There are a few hundred of these. Conversion instructions are needed.

Add a description of outlines to About Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Basic navigation, and add tips about outlines to the WP:TOTD and Tips library.

Keep up the great work!

The Transhumanist 20:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Answer

Is there any outline currently that meets good article criteria? If not, my suggestion is that we should make that a priority. If we do then I think we should start a collaboration to get it up to featured status. We really need a featured outline. It would benefit our project tremendously. Burningview (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The people over at FLC don't understand outline standards, and outlines are so new that their standards are still under development. All the guidelines pertaining to lists that apply to outlines need to be updated, as do all the MOS guidelines pertaining to outlines. Otherwise, generic list guidelines will be applied to outlines at FLC, and on the OOK pages (which used to be called "Lists of basic topics" we've been doing things differently for years. Even if that were done, FLC has some standards above and beyond list guidelines that don't fit outlines. What is needed is a Feature Outlines department, and that's a long ways off. Patience is the best strategy for now. The Transhumanist 22:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback

Minnecologies has done an incredible amount of work on Outline of forestry and posted a note to me on my talk page requesting feedback.

I've posted my observations at Talk:Outline of forestry#Finished outline review.

Please take a look at the outline and let Minnecologies know what you think of it on the outline's talk page.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 20:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC).

OOK's highest priority task - here's a piece of it for you

Burningview,

I'm splitting this task up for everyone on the team to work on...

The government branches sections are in error on many of the country outlines.

Since those are in article space, we need to fix those ASAP! This is our most important task right now.

Here's a list of links that goes right to that section: User:The Transhumanist/List of country outline government sections.

I'm working on U-Z.

Your task is to complete and correct these:

• Outline of Cambodia#Government and politics of Cambodia
• Outline of Cameroon#Government and politics of Cameroon
• Outline of Canada#Government and politics of Canada
• Outline of Cape Verde#Government and politics of Cape Verde
• Outline of the Cayman Islands#Government and politics of the Cayman Islands
• Outline of the Central African Republic#Government and politics of the Central African Republic
• Outline of Chad#Government and politics of Chad
• Outline of Chile#Government and politics of Chile
• Outline of China#Government and politics of China
• Outline of Christmas Island#Government and politics of Christmas Island
• Outline of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands#Government and politics of the Cocos (Keeling) Islands
• Outline of Colombia#Government and politics of Columbia
• Outline of Comoros#Government and politics of Comoros
• Outline of the Democratic Republic of the Congo#Government and politics of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
• Outline of the Republic of the Congo#Government and politics of the Republic of the Congo
• Outline of the Cook Islands#Government and politics of the Cook Islands
• Outline of Costa Rica#Government and politics of Costa Rica
• Outline of Côte d'Ivoire#Government and politics of Côte d'Ivoire
• Outline of Croatia#Government and politics of Croatia
• Outline of Cuba#Government and politics of Cuba
• Outline of Cyprus#Government and politics of Cyprus
• Outline of the Czech Republic#Government and politics of the Czech Republic

WP:LINKY is especially useful for this.

Let me know when you are done, so I can check them over.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 22:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the encouragement. And welcome back... I look forward to seeing your progress on these.  :) The Transhumanist 20:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Outline Update - Exhausted - 07/10/2009

I'm sorry that I haven't been available to assign tasks lately. For the past 3 days (not including today) I've been almost totally consumed in discussions concerning the location and very existence of outlines. Today I finally broke free and got back to work on outlines. Felt good.

A great deal has been happening with outlines and behind the scenes. I just don't have time to tell you all about it this time around. Here's the best I can do...

How to watch what's going on with outlines

If you'd like a bird's eye view of everything that's happening with respect to outlines, see this page:

• WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):

• WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
• WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
• WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.

Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format:

• Outline of martial arts (was "List of martial arts-related topics")
• Outline of wine - converted by Stefan (was called "List of wine-related topics")
• Outline of the creation-evolution controversy (was "List of topics in the creation-evolution controversy")
• Outline of actuarial science (was "Actuarial topics")
• Outline of industrial organization (was "List of topics in industrial organization")

Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following one have been recently merged:

• List of finance topics into Outline of finance

The Transhumanist 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight

Wikipedia:Spotlight/Newsletter/2025/January

DYK for Marco Polo sheep

On July 25, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Marco Polo sheep, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight needs suggestions

Spotlight needs your help! We've had great success with Marco Polo (now a Good Article), and Marco Polo sheep (currently on the main page in the "Did You Know..."). We're now working on Dry ice. We'll be choosing the next article on Sunday 26th July, and the following one on Friday 31st July (which is when we'll finish Dry ice). Therefore, we need suggestions, here - and even more importantly, we need comment on the suggestions of others. Hope to see you in the channel again soon, cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

OOK collaboration: Outline of knowledge (eom)

Delivered by –Juliancolton | ^Talk at 21:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Ship pronouns

I noticed that you changed she to it on USS Massachusetts (BB-59), please be aware that she is acceptable per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ships/Guidelines#Pronouns. Plus many Featured Articles use she. -MBK₀₀₄ 16:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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Re:Invitation for Help

Greetings Burningview! I'm happy to hear you will be improving an early Islamic-era battle (we need to improve those articles considerably), but unfortunately I'm not sure how much time I'll have to help out. Currently, I've been working on getting another article, Gamal Abdel Nasser, to FA status—I've actually neglected the article for the past few days because of other stuff on Wiki—and when that happens, I've already made a promise to a number of users to work on Damascus. Therefore, I can't really say I'll be dedicated to Battle of the Nobles. However, I'll copyedit your new additions. Good luck with the article, I really do hope it gets to GA status one day soon... Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Your draft

Howdy. I had a read through your draft, and its got potential but I think it could use a little more work. Before I get into what I think could be improved though I am curious to know if you had a name in mind for your article, as that would help me understand who the targeted audience is. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. Let me think about my suggested improvements in light of your comment concerning the essay's purpose; now that I have a better idea of why you wrote it I think it may in fact be fine the way it is. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Well at the moment we are so strapped for material that anything goes. In time we expect content to be trimmed, merged, deleted?, expanded upon, subtracted from, etc. The problem though is that we need to actually have information in order to get this thing going, and that's where we have been experiencing trouble the last few months. Right now the essay you drafted can stand on its own, so you are welcome to give it a name and add it to the content pool we have going; further work on the essay can be done after its added to the academy. In the long run though know that your essay - like my essays and the essays penned by everyone else - may end up merged or outsourced to other articles as we review what we have and set about the process of getting the academy up to speed. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

...Just noticed this, but you forgot to mention over at the academy drive page whether you wanted your awards in a lump sum at the end or as you go. Could you clarify this for us please? As it stands your entitled to 1 award, but we need to know your preference for receiving it before we can give it to you. TomStar81 (Talk) 12:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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Outline of Gibraltar

I'll have a look to see if I can be of help. Please let me know if there's anything specific you'd like me to help with. Regards, --Gibmetal 77^talk 19:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

This is an archive of past discussions with User:Burningview. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3