Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Shoot 'em up you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Admiral Norton(talk)18:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bridies- Major props on the successful GAN. Last month I stumbled across a couple good print sources and thought of working on the article, but found you had already done an excellent job on it. If you plan on going to FAC next, let me know if you're still looking for some sources to fill some gaps or need a copy edit. Again, awesome job on the article. (Guyinblack25talk18:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Thanks for the rapid, comprehensive responses. I will try to respond to the ASAP, but it might take me some time to go through all the stuff. I'll let you know. -- Chzz ► 23:31, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've added lots more; in particular, please check out the 2 links at the end - I think they could be very useful references. Cheers, -- Chzz ► 02:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
Glad to see the improvements, I will be able to spend some time on this within the next 6 hours or so, when I plan to go through the points we've covered, tidy up the list and see what remains.
-- Chzz ► 19:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again, I see that the article has improved considerably; I guess you're still working on some things? I'll hold off on the GA for now, so please leave me a quick note on my own talk page when you want me to have another look over it for GA. Cheers, -- Chzz ► 09:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm working on it right now. In the first section, I've gone through striking the stuff that's been done, and adding comments. At one point, you'll see I decided it was pointless to continue that way, so I've noted outstanding issues from then on, and I will put everything remaining under "13 March".
Hope this makes sense;
Apologies it took slightly longer to get to this than I hoped; I did a couple of helpme requests, and consequently became embroiled in 2 quite complex disputes.
I have now completed the GA review and promoted First-person shooter to GA status. Thanks for all your hard work on this; I think it's really improved during the GA review. Also, I honestly believe that it has the scope to become a featured article, so I hope you'll continue to develop it; we mentioned several things in the review that could be further researched and add even broader coverage. The genre certainly has enough scope to become FA - it's an interesting topic. The history is looking good now, in that it 'tells the story'.
For your fantastic work getting shoot 'em up, light gun shooter, and first-person shooter to good article status. Your no-nonsense, grab the article and improve the shit out of it approach is something I wish more Wikipedians had inside of them. I almost waited on this barnstar, because I know there are more articles you've contributed to that are on the path to GA. But I realized that if I waited, you'd never get a barnstar because you're always working on something. That work ethic only makes you deserve this barnstar more. Good job. Randomran (talk) 00:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Torus Trooper redirect
Hi,
I would like to ask if Torus Trooper redirect to ABA Games could be reverted? I think it's game just like any other and deserves it's own page, not only some blurry paragraph on page of company which made it.
I think the change was not discussed enough to be made, thus I suggest reverting it back.
Do you agree with this?
toxygen (talk) 00:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think having article for this particular game helps a lot as it is open-source game and would certainly help to arise awareness not only in gaming community but also programming (exceptionally programmed in D). Particularly, I learnt about the game thanks to wikipedia, so I'm pretty sad to see article gone. I think it could be considered as representative work of Kenta Cho and serve as reel for reader to bring interest other his games (as it was in my case). I certainly won't revert it back if you don't agree with my point of view. In case you change your opinion, please do inform me. toxygen (talk) 01:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, just wanted to say that I've enjoyed working with you on shoot 'em ups and fighting games. The whole action genre has really come a long way in the past few months. We have a lot of GAs to look at:
Light gun shooter: GA! Great work here.
Shoot 'em up: More great work on this GA.
Platform game: one of the first genre GAs.
I also think the following articles will be at GA with just a bit more work:
Action game: I've already referenced the gameplay. If we get the other articles to GA status, we should be able to fill in the history here no problem.
Shooter game: in rougher shape, but just like action games I'm confident that this will fall into place once the other shooter articles are done.
Fighting game: peer review in progress, and we'll be able to get to GA status with a bit of work.
First-person shooter: this is a GA in the bank, IMO.
But here are the tough ones, and I'd really like your opinion on them:
Beat 'em up: We did find some decent research when working on "fighting games", but this could be tough.
Hack and slash: Really tough, because I can't find much out there that calls this a game genre. However, this might be original research and it might not be a game genre at all. Golden Axe and TMNT are often called beat 'em ups, so maybe we'd just need to go through all these "genre" fields and rename them.
Tactical shooter: I found a *bit* of stuff. We might end up with an article longer than Tower defense, and I think that would be okay. The history is probably the hard part.
Third-person shooter: By far the toughest. What do you say beyond "this is a shooter with a third-person perspective"? Any history here would be pretty disjointed. And yet merging it in with something else seems really inappropriate for something so major.
Just wanted to get your feedback. While we wait for the review of fighting games and FPSes finish up. Which do you think we should work on next? Randomran (talk) 21:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's start on beat 'em ups then. Keep an eye on hack and slash and third-person shooter and let me know what you find. My limited research on 3PS tends to mention Tomb Raider a *lot*, with Gears of War coming up a few times, and not much else. We'll sit on tactical shooter another little while, but I'll admit that a merge makes sense if we can't expand it. ... Good point about some of the other non-genre articles related to action games. I'm not sure how to handle those either. I think the best strategy would be to work on these, and then figure out which peripheral topics we'll need to work on to make the topic work. Randomran (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Holy smokes! I disappear for a few days, and you run away with the ball. If I wasn't so happy with the result, I'd almost say I was jealous. I'll have some free time to check in. You've covered the main thrust of the topic, and I definitely think it's GA worthy. But let me see if I can fill in some gaps. Randomran (talk) 03:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as we might be able to walk and chew gum at the same time... how would you feel about picking one of the GAs and trying to get it to FA status? They're brutal, but we can pick the strongest/easiest GA to work on. Maybe FPS would stand up to that kind of scrutiny? Randomran (talk) 17:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I actually have a little bit of research on the rhythm genre. I'll try to throw it in your User:Bridies/Sandbox by this weekend. I'm gonna be pretty busy over the next month. But hopefully I can make some contributions to all the articles you mentioned. Even on 3PS, it should only be a matter of looking at the Category:Third-person shooters for some key titles, and doing a google of "title AND third person shooter", to see what we find. At least that will cover the history section. Worse comes to worst, we end up with something short and sweet like the article on the tower defense genre. Randomran (talk) 22:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's looking like a great article, IMO. But it's basically an orphan. Where do you think we should fit it in? Obviously, there's some support for it being an action game. But it also may make more sense to link to it from music video game. Or maybe both? What would that mean for templates like Template:VG Action or Template:Video game genre? You've obviously done more research, so I'm curious to see what you think. Randomran (talk) 04:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for participating in the discussion about this template. I have now made a proposal, looking to establish consensus to change it, and I'd be grateful if you could express your approval or disapproval, in WT:WikiProject_Video_games#Proposal.
Chill on the mass-deletions. Use fact tags and work with me. There's an absolute need for the treatment of the term in realistic way that corresponds with its usage, and that isn't happening with just the (extremely problematic) History section that just seems to be a collection of sourced commentaries about games with absolutely no attempt to establish actual patterns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.113.35 (talk) 20:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Material will be sourced, but it takes time to dig through piles of old magazines. Just ease up a bit. Challenge first, delete later. You're even deleting stuff that is completely sourced, so I question the good faith of your edits. It just seems destructive to me.
The problem with the "History" section is that it makes no effort to talk about the origins of the genre or the term itself (and concept thereof) in a way that corresponds with reality, and it's full of irrelevant information about how Gears of War has a horror atmosphere or Tomb Raider has Prince of Persia elements. The information is sourced, but it isn't useful. There's a need for a change in strategy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.113.35 (talk) 21:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that the article, at present, does a poor job of explaining where the genre came from, let alone what it means. It's going to be hard to find resources for that. But if you take a look at the history section for featured articles like 4X, you'll see that it's appropriate to discuss the details of specific games and how they advanced the genre. It will definitely make sense to talk about how Gears of War and Tomb Raider put their own spin on the genre. We're going to need both the origin *and* the development of specific games -- this isn't either or. Randomran (talk) 21:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rhythm games
I'm so glad to see that this article has finally been created. Congratulations on your hard work. I was very active on the "Music video games" article for a number of months, but I don't have nearly the free time these days unfortunately. I just read the article and apart from a few minor things (which I changed) I think it's a great start! If you are interested I have a chronological list of rhythm games that I came up with several months ago to help me at the MVG article. I was mainly interested in the origins of the subgenre so my list ends in early 2000. Would you like me to post it here in a collapsed form? -Thibbs (talk) 04:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dancing Stage featuring True Kiss Destination (27 jul 1999)
Dance Dance Revolution Solo Bass Mix (19 aug 1999)
Pump It Up (aug 1999)
Beatmania IIDX 2nd Style (30 sep 1999)
Dancing Stage EuroMix (sep 1999)
Dance Dance Revolution 3rdMix (30 oct 1999)
Pump it Up: The Ultimate Remix [1st Dance Floor] (oct 1999)
Dance Dance Revolution Solo 2000 (16 dec 1999)
Dancing Stage featuring Dreams Come True (25 dec 1999)
Pump it Up: The Ultimate Remix [2nd Dance Floor] (dec 1999)
DDR Pocket-Finger Step (1999)
DDR Hello Kitty (1999)
DDR Dear Daniel (1999)
DDR Winnie the Pooh (1999)
Pop'n Music Pocket (1999)
DrumMania (1999)
'Oha Star Dance Dance Revolution (1999)
Dance Maniax (1999)
Pump it Up: The Fusion / 1st & 2nd Dance Floor (1999)
Beatmania IIDX 3rd Style (25 feb 2000)
Stepping Selection (4 mar 2000)
The Jungle Book Groove Party (31 mar 2000)
Beatmania III (mar 2000)
Samba de Amigo (27 apr 2000)
3DDX (may 2000)
Pump It Up: 3rd Dance Floor / O.B.G. (Oldies But Goodies) (may 2000)
Beatmania (Europe) (jun 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution GB (3 aug 2000)
Cool Cool Jam (10 aug 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution 4thMix (24 aug 2000)
Beatmania IIDX 4th Style (28 sep 2000)
Cyber Groove (30 sep 2000)
EZ2Dancer (sep 2000)
Pump It Up: 3rd O.B.G. SE (Season Evolution) (sep 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution GB2 (16 nov 2000)
Blues Brothers 2000 (17 nov 2000)
Unison (30 nov 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution Disney Mix (30 nov 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution Disney's World Dancing Museum (30 nov 2000)
Pump It Up: The Collection (nov 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution Best Hits (21 dec 2000)
Dance Dance Revolution Kids (dec 2000)
Pump It Up: Perfect Collection (dec 2000)
GuitarFreaks Pocket (2000)
Keyboardmania (2000)
ParaParaParadise (2000)
TechnoMotion (2000)
Dance Dance Revolution USA (2000)
Most of these have articles here at Wiki. This isn't a fantastic list, and will probably serve best as a start point or a cross-check, but anyway... Good luck, and let me know if you need help with anything. I don't have much time, but the topic is of interest to me so I'm happy to do what I can. Cheers, -Thibbs (talk) 18:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
favor
Do you have time to copy-edit an article? You're good at cutting out the crap and getting right to the point. A while back I worked on an article and was trying to get it to GA status, but it failed its nomination because it wasn't clear and was too loaded with examples. Let me know if you have a few. Randomran (talk) 05:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the changes. Your suggestions make a lot of sense. I'm going to try to fix them up and then re-nominate. One last question: can you take a closer look at the "recent history" section and tell me if it goes into inappropriate levels of detail? Maybe even give it one more copy edit? Randomran (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have passed ABA Games as a Good Article (nice job!), but please still read the nomination as I added additional comments for future reference and for further improvement. I will also review Beat 'em up. Hopefully sometime today I will read through it really closely. Since I look for the same stuff in every GA review (if you haven't noticed already, my big things are verifiability, images, and, above all, good writing/usage), expect similar comments that I made in the ABA Games GAN. After taking a quick glance at the article, it should pass easily. MuZemike17:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your reverts claim to be bringing the page in line with its sources, when in fact the page certainly does not source many of the assertions surrounding the origins of the FPS or the influence of Doom, etc. My changes improved readability and were not incompatible with attribution guidelines. I will try to find some better sources for the MIDI Maze information but it currently stands just as well as the info on Maze War, etc. Andre (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bridies- I was looking through the 2008 Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition and stumbled across the fighting games section. I remember you needed a citation for Super Fire Pro Wresting Premium X being the first "create a fighter", and the book lists it as a record along with others like first to use parrying, combos, cooperative fighting, taunting and many more. If you're looking for anything specific, let me know and I'll look it up. (Guyinblack25talk15:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
"Released in 1996, Super Fire Pro Wrestling X Premium was the first fighting game that allowed the gamer to create his or her own fighting character. Players could select a set of moves and alter the appearance of their chosen fighter at will, a facility that proved highly popular in later fighting games."
<ref>{{cite book| editor= Craig Glenday| title= Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2008| series= [[Guinness World Records]]| date= 2008-03-11| publisher= Guinness| isbn= 978-1-904994-21-3| page= 84| chapter= Record-Breaking Games}}</ref> (Guyinblack25talk21:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
First off, I'm not stalking you. But I stumbled across your sandbox and noticed it was for Desert Strike. I have an article about the development and the game manual, but I didn't have much else so I never worked on the article. You want me to fill out the development section and add citations to the gameplay? (Guyinblack25talk04:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
I'm working on finishing up the development section right now. You might also want to contact User:David Fuchs. He has some good access to print articles, and might be able to find some sources about the public and military reactions to the game's release. Even CNN and BBC covered it. (Guyinblack25talk14:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
There is info about the sequels, but only about a third of the article is about the rest of the sequels. Looking for anything specific or you just want me to add whatever I can? (Guyinblack25talk17:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
I started the section for sequels, but it's pretty sparse. There's a few more tidbits about Soviet, Nuclear, and an unreleased "Future Strike", but not much else. Go a head and fill in what else you can find, and I'll see if the tidbits can be integrated into it. (Guyinblack25talk19:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Looks fine to me. Anything more should probably go into the series article. I may have one or two magazine reviews for the Mega Drive version if you want to beef that part up some. Not sure really, I'd need to dig for them.
Very cool. Never thought this article could get this much attention: DYK and soon GA.
It was kinda nice to only work on the development of an article instead of the whole thing. Let me know if you ever want to collaborate again. (Guyinblack25talk17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Just a heads up- The article didn't offer much about the sequels. I guess you could paraphrase the stuff that overlaps between the first and second title. But I'm not certain where to look for info specifically about Jungle Strike. Maybe some previews mention some development-related tid bits. (Guyinblack25talk04:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Hm...I'm kind of unsure how to proceed. While there are two supports, I would feel safest if we brought up to WP:VG the possibility of anything validating his statements. I get the feeling that fellow isn't done yet despite his last post. Thoughts?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds about right. Looking at his talk page it seems he's a rather forceful thorn in the side for other articles too, in the same "this preceded that" manner. Definitely something to keep an eye on since him citing himself like that does seem to go under the OR guideline well enough.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you're aware, the article will be failed tomorrow unless you notify me that you've addressed/explained all issues, or request an extension (which is reasonable, considering progress is being made). Contact me soon. — Levi van Tine (t – c)11:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have completed my second run through the article. I rearranged some material during the copyedit, and if I displaced references while doing so, I apologize. Anyway, the article will probably not be subject to any 1a complaints this time; if it is, I'll be up for more work on it. Notify me when it goes up and I'll give my support, as it looks to be of featured quality. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 06:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For your continued work in under-represented video game articles, notably the genre articles and older games like ToeJam & Earl, which I still happily play on occasion. Please keep up the good work. (Guyinblack25talk16:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
On October 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jungle Strike, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hi Bridies, I was wondering about this statement that was contested by an anon user. Do we know if it does specifically refer to fighting game characters, and not video game characters in general? If so, perhaps this should be made clearer. Marasmusine (talk) 10:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No one is likely to challenge the credits if they are accurate. A challenge would come from someone that thinks they are not. But... That's beside the point. Checking the videogame template instructions, there is only room for the designer, so there he is. On a side note, as a developer on the project I have to say a couple of things. 1) Good job! 2) A large number of the verifiable facts in the article represent official stories that aren't actually all that close to what really happened. Probably the case for almost all of the VG articles, though. And verifiability comes before truth. 3) I tried to find a reference for the Ku Klux Klan incident, but couldn't. If you can find it (believe me, you'll know it when you do), it would be worth including. - Richfife (talk) 04:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination has failed due to lack of progress on issues identified during the review. As this is the second time this has occurred, please refrain from nominating articles for GAN in the future unless you're willing to commit the time necessary to justify a reviewer making the effort to look it over. Vantine84 (talk) 15:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
re:Magazine request
Hey Bridies. Yes, I own that issue and here's the scan. The author of the "Second Opinion" is Andy McNamara and everything else on the page was written by Matt Helgeson. Anyway, here's the reference without the author parameter filled in:
Ryota Niitsuma's third response here maybe of some use to you for the article "Fighting game". Best, « ₣M₣ » 05:19, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
ToeJam And Earl 3 OXM review
Here's an image of it, sorry about the wait and the image quality (I don't have access to a scanner right now but this should work just as well, let me know if something's illegible). Here's the citation template:
{{cite journal |last1=Bratcher |first1=Eric |year=2002 |month=December |title=ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth |journal=[[Official Xbox Magazine]] |issue=13 |pages=154}}
Hello. I just noticed you reviewed one of my animated gifs and marked it for deletion for bad rationale and non-free content. I am sorry for that, I thought I chose the correct options in the upload wizard, and the rationale I filled it as I have been doing with the other animated gifs I have uploaded. I confess I have been using a kind of one-size-fits-all for the videogame animation rationales more or less, and I guess that is where I might have gone wrong? I have created other animations for other articles (you can see links on my user page) and if they are not ok I need to correct them, can you please tell me what is not correct or what should I change? NeoGenPT (talk) 19:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I must question one of your undos
You undid a change I applied to the Fighting games article and declared it "not sourced". There isn't a way I can exactly "source" this because it's a feature present in many fighting games (a timer). So how exactly should I add it to the article? SuperSonicTH (talk) 23:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The issue at stake here is that I can source A fighting game but unless you want me to run down a huge list of fighting games that have this feature, it needs to be accepted its a genre staple. I can provide all sorts of individual, disconnected sources but there isn't an objective definition of what makes a fighting game to be cited that can definitively lock it down. If the other features of a fighting game can be taken at face value, why can't this? SuperSonicTH (talk) 18:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I must question one of your undos 2
Why did yourself undo my revision of the first Person Shooter article that provides additional reference for the changes?
The reference I provided for "The Hidden Below" includes a demo of the game, which is surely the required proof (q and z look up and down whilst caps lock crouches). The time stamp of the demo files is August 1994, predating "Dark Forces" by about half a year. I can confirm the full version's files have a similar timestamp, though I know me just saying that doesn't mean anything. Admittedly "The Hidden Below" is obscure to the point that there is little to no information out on the web about it, hence why I stated that "Heretic" and "Dark Forces" were the first widely known games to include the ability to look up and down and/or crouch.
There is ample information around the internet that "Heretic" had the ability to look up and down (as well as fly) and that its release date was December 23rd 1994, predating "Dark Forces" by a few months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.148.235 (talk) 15:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ANOTHER Poor undo related to the First Person Shooter Article
So, here's the deal. I am not up to speed on how to cite things with a reference here on Wikipedia. But this IS supposed to be an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and just because someone takes the time to add new knowledge to the database, that new knowledge ought not be be "undone" by a reviewer just because it's not cited. Take the time to look into it yourself before you undo something! I see that a poster above had this same problem with you and he had actually posted references for changes he made, so clearly the problem is not with people posting factual information, but your being a poor reviewer.
Now, for the record, my contribution was this: the 1988 game Golgo 13: Top Secret Episode features true first person shooter 3-D maze levels. This game came out FOUR YEARS before Wolfenstein 3-D. How you don't think that is worthy of noting in an article on the history of First Person Shooter games is beyond me, but you can easily see evidence of this by googling the game and seeing its pictures for yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.81.12 (talk) 14:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are now a Reviewer
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It's clear you don't understand the guidelines on good faith or any other policy for that matter. If you want to take that line, be my guest. bridies (talk) 08:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
killer7 FAC
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On 28 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jake Adelstein, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Jake Adelstein was the first American to work as a Japanese language reporter for a Japanese newspaper? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hi. This may seem a little out-of-the-blue, but...
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I think this is the first of these I've ever given out; I've been meaning to give you this for quite some time, but never got around to it until now. For your inspiring and absolutely incredible work improving and standardizing video game genre articles last year—which, as a whole, were a useless, cruft-ridden mess—I present you with the Tireless Contributor Barnstar! I know you've moved on to different projects since then, but, regardless of the subject, keep up the amazing work. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 02:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can understand that. If you ever go for FA on a genre article, count me in as a copyeditor. My writing ability has improved since I copyedited ToeJam & Earl for you last year—which, I might add, was a very enjoyable experience. I'd definitely be up for another such collaboration, should you head for the aforementioned goal. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 06:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, you deleted an addition i made asking for a source. I've worked on wikis before and feel my contribution was valid, in good faith, and should not have been deleted.
My grandmother and I play that video game all the time, and she loves the version i was writing about. She and I don't get much time together, it would really help us both if you could be helpful and collaborative and explain to me how to source my addition, rather than just deleting it. The wikis she and i work on require sources using different codes like simple brackets. English second language dont undertake the ref <bracket thing please helps us. She really wants me to ask you this, please help us source this. Please! -- 68.9.50.187 (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for all your hard work. May you wear the crowns well, and may the gamepad crown motivate you to press on with more outstanding articles. – SMasters (talk) 09:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Triple Crown jewels
Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Triple crown upon Bridies for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC, particularly on chemistry related topics. Thank you for all your contributions to the project! – SMasters (talk) 03:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. Rhythm game seems like a fine choice; it'll be less of a hassle than FPS to write/research, but it's still mainstream enough that bringing it to FA will be a bit of a coup. If you want to try to pull it off, I'll gladly sign on as a copyeditor. I don't think I'd be much help with content generation, though, since my knowledge of the subject is basically nil. You should definitely see if Masem's willing to lend a hand. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. I'll get started in the next few days. Masem's comment makes me a little wary, but CRYSTAL is a pretty solid defense. All kinds of somewhat-unstable articles have been promoted to FA—thatgamecompany, for instance. They're in the middle of developing a game that will probably significantly alter the company's history, but, at FAC, it wasn't brought up even once. I doubt Rhythm game will have much trouble in that regard. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 07:24, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay; I'm ready to start. However, I'd like to clear one thing up before I head in. The first sentence reads, "Rhythm game, or rhythm action, is a genre of music-themed action video games." This seems ungrammatical, but I'm not sure how much wiggle room I'm allowed with the bold title of the article. Would it be okay to make it "Rhythm games, or rhythm action games, are a genre of music-themed action video games"? Perhaps, "A rhythm game, or rhythm action game, is a music-themed action video game"? I've never worked on an article about an abstract concept before, so I don't know what I'm "allowed" to do here. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Another question. In the lead, it says that Beatmania sparked an emergent popularity of rhythm games, but the Gameplay section says it was PaRappa. Which is correct? JimmyBlackwing (talk) 23:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Really, really sorry about the delay. I haven't forgotten. I've been trying something different (copyediting a printed version, then adding my changes to the article), and it's been slowing down the process. I should be back in the swing of things before the week is out. Again, really sorry. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 06:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've worked my way through the article. In all honesty, this was the most irresponsible copyediting job I've ever done. I took far, far more time than anyone could be expected to wait, and I can't apologize enough. I plan to go over the prose for a bit more fine-tuning, but feel free to continue your push toward FAC. Something I thought I should mention: I noticed that certain facts are mentioned outside of their set timelines; for example, Ouendan and Guitar Hero are discussed in the 1970-2000 section. That might cause complaints at FAC, but I'll leave it up to you to decide. Again, I'm extremely sorry that this has taken so long. I would be irate if a copyeditor had done this to me on an article I was working on. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I've been really sick for the last few days, so I haven't been doing much on Wikipedia. I'll read through the article again before you nominate it, but give me another day or two to start feeling better. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 05:41, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Finally recovered, so I was able to give the article one last pass. I'm not sure how they're going to react to some of the more stat-intensive sections, but I don't think that it would be possible to make them more entertaining. To a certain extent, dryness comes with the territory. Good luck at FAC. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 10:30, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Look, I know that self-proclaimed experts are obnoxious. I've gotten into large arguments with them myself. I'm not trying to give you a hard time about it, but it really is best to just ignore it. Let the potential expert claim whatever he wants about his own accomplishments. I think that the majority of your fellow Wikipedians find such behavior petty, distasteful, and repellent. And frankly I think it's rhetorically damaging to the expert's arguments. After having lost arguments against this kind of editor in the past due mainly to my behavior, I've come to consider it baiting. I think that's really the best way to approach it. I don't want you to think that I hold the contributions of putative experts to a lesser standard than those of any other editor. Cheers, -Thibbs (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Bridies, here are the sources relating to the Strike series that we'd discussed earlier. I've collapsed them in tables to reduce their general bulkiness. Hopefully the result will be easy for you to use, but feel free to change the formatting however you see fit.
Soviet Strike
PS1
Preview
Griffin, Mike sub nom. Glitch. Soviet Strike Preview. GameFan. No.47 (Vol.4, Issue 11). Pg.70. November 1996. ISSN 1070-3020
Griffin, Mike sub nom. Glitch. Soviet Strike Preview. GameFan. No.47 (Vol.4, Issue 11). Pg.71. November 1996. ISSN 1070-3020
{First 2 paragraphs are a humorous anecdote describing the author's (Jason's) 3AM in-character phonecall to a friend (Cooper) regarding plot from Soviet Strike and the friend's annoyed response}
Desert Strike, Jungle Strike, and Urban Strike - All self-respecting gamers have played or at least seen these, perhaps the most thrilling series from Electronic Arts. Everyone remembers the evil terrorists, drug mafia bosses, and multinational crime rings who have gotten in the way.
Some history: It all began with Desert Strike. The game was very original for its time, and remember that this was 1993 - the year of the rooster. Desert Strike proved to be more popular than any other flying game and it enjoyed great success in the gaming community. The next game in the "Strike" series was Jungle Strike - a masterpiece in my opinion. Because the game was longer (due to the series' quickly growing storyline) and the graphics were improved, it was difficult to tear myself away after the game was complete, but some relief came from replaying the game. The last Strike game was Urban Strike - sadly the last of the 16-bit games and not a particularly good game. The reason it was not so good is because it was too easy, there were absolutely no ?nashenskih? or strikes, and because of the missions where you were in control of the man. In general, though, the entire trilogy has been a great success through to the present day.
Do you think I'm just shooting the breeze? No, nothing like that. I am setting the stage for the story about the new game from the Electronic Arts' Strike series. I give you - Soviet Strike. Please note that the game is only available for the Sony PlayStation.
The fourth installment of the famous helicopter series is impressive. All plot elements are presented in live-action video sequences with professional actors. Watching the screen, I cannot help myself and I begin to truly imagine that it is 1993 and that the rebellious Soviet general Charchesky has seriously decided to start a third world war centered on oil, in other words in the Middle East. To this end he utilizes loyal army troops with modern equipment, aircraft and several warships.
You are the pilot of a tricked-out Apache helicopter which is part of the unit responsible for preventing military conflicts before they begin (S.T.R.I.K.E.). Your goal: to stop the treacherous general before he goes too far. The programmers at EA were, as always, very attentive to detail and thanks to the PSX technology Soviet is the most realistic Strike game yet. Your upgraded Apache is not flown over a flat map as previously, but now it is flown over a relief map showing proper landscapes (digitized images were superimposed on a polygonal "skeleton" to represent the level's layout). The game is replete with countless video sequences of stunning quality. As for music and voice narration, there is so much of it that it's rather difficult to digest in one playthrough. Into your ears pour tons of information about intercepted coded messages, the location of enemy forces, the movements of allies, and more. In addition, Soviet Strike offers completely new features and improvements on old ones such as: a display of all weapons available for selection to be used by the helicopter, info on outboard fuel tanks, the embedding of critical plot points in cut-scenes using clear and precise speech, and the capacity to guide the helicopter directly right or left of the enemy gunfire. The controls are simple, understandable, and can be easily configured to your liking. And in-game progress can be saved on a memory card and restored using a password. And in general, we had so much fun with this game that we will have to leave the final word for the next issue.
Dukh Agenta Jason'a
Soviet Strike
"Buka" Company - the official distributor of SONY PLAYSTATION and the exclusive distributor of the game "Soviet Strike" for the Russian market. We are waiting for you!
Great Drakon #31
Who's Who
General Earl, your immediate supervisor and head of the STRIKE nerve center
Nick Arnold, your heroic co-pilot
Andrea Grey, a secret agent for STRIKE operating under the guise of journalism.
Hack, liaison officer, former hacker, and chief operator of strike.net
Shadowman, an elusive shadow figure, fomenter of unrest in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
To keep our promise from the previous issue, thoroughly completing the game in front of you, Soviet Strike, made me spend a couple (maybe more) sleepless nights in front of the TV.
Level 1
Crimea Strike
(Password - WORSTCASE)
An unknown organization has poured large amounts of money into Swiss bank accounts - money that STRIKE's informants explain is intended to purchase large numbers of weapons. According to unconfirmed reports, a new terrorist training camp has been set up somewhere in the Crimea. A Super Apache helicopter with one pilot (you) is sent to the specified region to nip the activities of the criminal organization in the bud.
Mission 1 (Radar): You must destroy two of the enemy's early warning radar stations.
Mission 2 (Agents): You must free four fellow agents, including Nick Arnold (one of the best people at STRIKE), from a prison camp.
Mission 3 (Airfield): Bomb a makeshift airfield after blowing up two control towers.
Mission 4 (POWs): Rescue eight prisoners - members of the CIA, Interpol, and the Crimean resistance - from two prison camps and drop them off at the Landing Zone (LZ) in the nearby forest.
Mission 5 (Ex-KGB HQ): Capture at least three of the five enemy commanders hiding in the local KGB's buildings.
Mission 6 (Terrorist): Disperse the terrorist training camp after blowing up the plant.
Mission 7 (Eavesdrop): Nick Arnold is dropped at the villa where he records Shadowman's secret discussion and sets a bomb. Before the building explodes you kindly take Nick back on board.
Level 2
Black Sea Strike
(Password - GRANDTHEFT)
The Crimean training camp was only the tip of the iceberg of a criminal organization run by Shadowman. Using renegade ships of the former Soviet naval fleet, he has captured a base on the coast of the Black Sea. To make matters worse, they've now gotten their hands on some intercontinental ballistic missiles that threaten the stability in this heated region.
Mission 1 (Radar): Weaken the port's security system by destroying two radars.
Mission 2 (Docks): Destroy the docks by blowing up three staff houses and three columns of armored vehicles. Do not let the enemy get their pilots to the aircraft carrier or they will shoot on friendly soldiers.
Mission 3 (Pickets): Sink three enemy destroyers (carrying radar installations) around an aircraft carrier.
Mission 4 (Carrier): Send the aircraft-carrying heavy cruiser "Kiev" and five Mi-24 helicopters to the bottom.
Mission 5 (Missiles): Recover six intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) from barges and then retrieve the divers.
Mission 6 (Destroyer): Destroy the Cruiser Vinograd (named after the ancient Russian city)
Mission 7 (Subs): Sink the nuclear submarine "Stalin" with depth charges that can be recovered from rafts in the bay.
Mission 8 (Rescue): Rescue the informant, Amada, from the military camp located at the north-west of the map.
Mission 9 (Landing): Stop the enemy troops by blowing up three transport ships and all tanks that appear.
Level 3
Caspian Strike
(Password - GROZNEY)
Shadowman's henchman, Colonel Savak, intends to capture a former Soviet chemical plant. You must discourage the vicious Tajik. Warning: This level is unlike any of the other levels in the game. There is no clear division between missions. In addition to basic tasks (like destroying various enemy units), you'll have to navigate the mountainous passes to gain allies from the local population (relatives of Amada) and blow up bridges and oil rigs. All of these tasks further the goal of saving the chemical plant.
Mission 1 (Lt. Tanks): Destroy the division of light tanks, blowing up all fuel trucks.
Mission 2 (Mech. Inf.): Destroy the mechanized infantry division.
Mission 3 (Hvy Tanks): This time it's heavy tanks. Destroy them all.
Mission 4 (Artillery): Self-propelled artillery threaten the plant. Take care of them.
Mission 5 (Scouts): Shoot down two enemy reconnaissance units.
Mission 6 (Elite): Disperse one of Savak's elite rocket units by shooting them.
Mission 7 (Enemy HQ): Kill Savak and all remaining guards.
Level 4
Dracula Strike
(Password - CHERNOBYL)
I don't know when the Romanian Transylvania became part of Russia (let's leave this error on the conscience of the game's creators), but the fact is that there has been a nuclear power plant accident. The surrounding area has been contaminated by radiation, and the populace needs to be evacuated. In addition, Shadowman's people are on scene trying to steal the poison-leaking reactor.
Mission 1 (Agents): Rescue Nick Arnold and the former Soviet pilot and Chernobyl veteran, Ivan Ural (an ancient Russian name), held under guard in one of the resorts.
Mission 2 (Mines): Prepare the salt mines to receive the melting reactor by transporting eleven scientists out of the sanitarium.
Mission 3 (Reactor): Blow up the plant's dome and lower Ivan inside. He will raise the platform on which the reactor sits. Hook the reactor.
Mission 4 (Airlift): Fly the reactor to the salt mines, moving over islands of non-contamination. Upon arrival, drop it into the mine.
Mission 5 (Tomahawks): Fly to the aerodrome. Ivan will use a laser beacon to indicate a friendly aircraft carrying missiles hidden in the sealed reactor shaft.
Level 5
Kremlin Strike
(Password - CIVILWAR)
There has been another coup in Moscow. Military units entering the city in connection with the May 1st celebration parade have been under the orders of Shadowman and have occupied all key positions in the downtown area. The democratic government has no connection to its troops and is helpless. The president has barricaded himself within the now-besieged Kremlin. It's time to deal with the enemy once and for all. Take off from the landing site (disguised as a McDonald's Restaurant) and set a course for Red Square.
Mission 0: Before you begin this mission you must retrieve Andrea Grey from the Hotel "Moskva" (or at least a building that is something like the real hotel).
Mission 1 (Officials): The cabinet of the Democratic government is locked in the governmental residence. Andrea will blow open the building's door and you will move the officials to safety.
Mission 2 (Bombs): Interrupt the path of the trucks carrying bombs that threaten to blow up all access bridges to the Kremlin.
Mission 3 (Kremlin): The Kremlin is under siege. Don't let them blow up the Ivan the Great Bell Tower where President Yeltsin is hiding. First destroy three ICBM tractors traveling from the store, then the rocket launchers that are shelling the Kremlin, and finally three helicopter gunships.
Mission 4 (Yeltsin): Andrea convinces B.N. to leave the shelter of the bell tower and enter a car bound for Vnukovo where he can catch a plane to deliver him to a safe place. Your task is to accompany the President's car to the airport, repelling attacks from armored vehicles and tanks.
Mission 5 (Airliner): Continue to hold off enemy attacks while the airliner carrying Yeltsin takes off.
Mission 6 (Mob Boss): Head of the Moscow Mafia, Alexei Kaponov (the Russian Al Capone!) is alleged to be none other than Shadowman. And he is hiding at the Hotel "Ukraina". Smoke him out by killing his guards and blowing up the main entrance, and then pursue his boat on the Moscow River as closely as possible.
Mission 7 (KGB Boss): Shadowman was not Kaponov after all, but rather the former head of the KGB, Boris Moranovsky. The building on Lubyanka Square where he sits is surrounded by a dense ring of fortifications where all the enemy tanks are concentrated. Now it's time to test if your as good a striker as as you think. I do not want to spoil your enjoyment of the game so I'll let you decide how best to defeat him. I can only say that the bears in the zoo will play an important part in this mission... In general, I will leave you alone for your finest hour! Good luck!
Agent Cooper.
(In the photo: Me, my co-pilot Jason, and the brains of the operation)
CONTROLS (default):
Cross - Machine Gun (the weakest weapon)
Square - Hellfire missile (many of them, but they are not very powerful)
Circle - Hydra rocket (more powerful, but smaller)
Triang. - Sidewinder missile (brings great devastation, but all of them can be counted on the fingers)
L1/R1 - Allows the helicopter to dodge abruptly left or right
R2 - Displays information about the amount of armor, weapons, etc.
L2 - The helicopter drops its load
START - Multi-information display
SELECT - Changes perspective.
Soviet Strike
"Buka" Company - the official distributor of SONY PLAYSTATION and the exclusive distributor of the game "Soviet Strike" for the Russian market. We are waiting for you!
I have also made an attempt at translating the Russian source (Review of Soviet Strike for PS1 appearing in Great Drakon) and I'd be happy to share that with you if you'd like. And again, I have access to the article from Retrogamer #45 in case you can't get in touch with Guyinblack. Good luck with the articles. I'll be more available to help in August/September. -Thibbs (talk) 01:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm adding into the table above another part of the Russian review that I had neglected to add last time, as well as the RetroGamer "making of" article (this isn't the full article, but it's the only part that deals with Soviet Strike and Nuclear Strike at all) and also translations of the Russian material below. Let me know if anything above is unclear. -Thibbs (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On 1 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cannon Fodder 2, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the designer of Cannon Fodder 2 started writing a novella to accompany the game, but the publisher vetoed the project, leaving reviewers baffled by the game's lack of plot? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cannon Fodder 2. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hello. Thanks for the GA review on And Yet It Moves! I really appreciate it. I have been revising the article based on your comments and was wondering if you would give it a second look with any new input. Thanks again! --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I know we had a run in once in the past, for which all I can do is express my deepest regrets and apologies. You are a thoughtful and careful editor, and I engaged in some overreaction that was unbecoming. Anyway, I saw your discussions with Jagged on the FPS page because I have been shadowing him across wikipedia video game articles for several months now. During this time, I have been forced to revert numerous inaccurate additions, original research, and inappropriate use of sources. I gave a few examples on the RFC talk page in the section you started there, and I just wanted to let you know that if you or anyone else decides to take further action against Jagged from a video game standpoint that I am happy to help with the legwork and with providing numerous examples of editing abuses he has engaged in. Indrian (talk) 18:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I undid your revert. If you read again carefully, you should find that the original was correct. If you still disagree, let's discuss on the article's talk page. -- Nczempin (talk) 07:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Halverson, Dave sub nom Dr.E. Urban Strike. DieHard GameFan. No.22 (Vol.2, Issue 10). Pg.64. October 1994.
Halverson, Dave and Des Barres, Nicholas Dean. Canon Fodder. DieHard GameFan. No.25 (Vol.3, Issue 1). Pg.25. January 1995.
Note: the three scores come from "Skid", "Nick Rox", and "Takahara" in that order. "Nick Rox" is the nom de plume of Mr. Des Barres, but as far as I understood it both "Skid" and "Takahara" were pseudonyms for Dave Halverson. He's also the editor in chief so you can list him as the author alone if worst comes to worst. In other cases with scores like these I've seen people treat them like Famitsu Cross reviews, i.e. adding the scores and giving a total out of 300. I'm not sure what's the best way to handle it though.
Halverson, Dave sub nom Takahara. Cannon Fodder. DieHard GameFan. No.25 (Vol.3, Issue 1). Pg.102. January 1995.
While Kasumi's reception is actually exceptionally clearly divided by themed paragraphs and easy to read. I even checked it for "featured", "included", "listed", "ranked" and such to not repeat in the same paragraph too much, small things like that. So your opinion was just insulting for me. --Niemti (talk) 13:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, no, Sephiroth (Final Fantasy) is a C-class article. It was delisted from GA in 2007 and failed again in 2008. On that note: take any GAs needing clean-up to WP:GAR, I review against the criteria, not other-crap which has degraded or wasn't reviewed properly in the first place, sorry. I disagree regarding you're assertion that it's "exceptionally clearly divided by themed paragraphs and easy to read", and given the dozens of copy edits I made, I trust my opinion on clear and coherent prose more than I do yours. I made all those copy edits, you give an edit summary like this one, and you're complaining about being insulted? Please. bridies (talk) 14:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strange I'd swear it was a GA. Well, in this case, for example, the related article Tifa from before my edits last summer (total chaos and badly written for so many reasons). Oh and yes, I did more than "dozens of copy edits". Actually, probably most of several thousand articles that I edited this year got a copy edit from me (more or less thorough). --Niemti (talk) 15:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"My point" is that your "opinion on clear and coherent prose" was wrong, and also you're complaining about allegedly "unclear and incoherent" stuff that was in your edit too. Because all you did was very quickly move some stuff around, almost randomly, while I did this on a much greater scale and with more sense, and with fixing the resulting issues (which you didn't), plus a variety of other improvements - from fixing the dead links, to citing the authors by name if needed, to overally improving flow and readibility, to getting away with a separate section about GD only (also removing the outdated "newest" about Dimensions for that matter). But you didn't even wait for me to finish, which is also "my point". --Niemti (talk) 15:57, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I thought your point was supposed to be regarding how badly that Tifa article was supposedly written (which it wasn't)? Right, I get it, you think that section is clear and coherent, I don't. You might also want to use the edit summary once in a while if you're going to get worked up when people don't second guess what it is you're up to. bridies (talk) 16:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Can you show me an example of reception being "clear and coherent"? Your edit summary was just "reorganise... think this works", to which I disagreed ("nope"). After that, you started edit warring, not commenting on my further edit at all while reverting it (only writing ""nope" isn't a valid reason to revert", which didn't explain why you reverted my next edit too, including bringing dead links back). --Niemti (talk) 16:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You really want to insult me, eh? My edits are here (not all of them, and pretty quick). Now,
Critical reception
[Yes, even the section name was wrong! My comments are in [], I'm bolding bad style. Almost nothing there is dated, there are no authors. Everything there is chaotic, there's not a trace of any negative reception. All the list names are also not turned into prose. And more.]
You've got to be kidding me III. All the "nineteenth" and such, all the lack of proper punctuation, ALL THE LACK OF NAMES AND DATES IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE, all the chaos all the style errors, all the lack of negative reception whatsoever, all the other things that I already wrote of. I just lost my faith in you. See ya. --Niemti (talk) 17:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing wrong with writing "nineteenth" (or "thirteenth", "twenty-fourth" or whatever); a few typos, so what (fix them); dates hardly essential, it's not a history section; "as they come" is a common English idiom, and given you were happy to quote nonsensical, broken English, I can't see why you'd have a problem with that one. See ya, indeed. bridies (talk) 02:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're also completely missing the point in digging into all this stuff. If I were failing the article for individual prose errors, I'd have failed it right away, as I said. You are going about the reception sections the wrong way, in slavishly giving every list position and quote possible (you're completely wrong that all the dates and names of the lists need, or even should, be mentioned in the prose) and dating them. We just take a representative sampling of these opinions to indicate the general pattern to the reader: Articles should provide an overview of the common interpretations of a creative work. The problem with articles like Kasumi is that they have so many similar quotes that they "become effusive". The two FF characters you linked are fine because they only have a paragraph or two; Tifa was leaning the same way but at least not too bad (and again, if anything you made it worse by just adding more similar stuff). bridies (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I just have done an extensive research and I was able to find the Computer Games Magazine review, as well as the Games Domain and Game Power reviews of the game. Hahnchen provided me the PC Zone review so I can add them to the article. So, I'd like to ask you if you are willing to give me a hand at expanding the reception section a bit with this information? I'd be very very grateful :) — ΛΧΣ21™05:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Once you've made your case on a noticeboard, such as WP:AN, it's usually best to just let it develop rather than make frequent replies to points other editors say. You've obviously put a lot of effort into documenting the issues with the RFC/U, just give it time. I know it's frustrating but there's just not a great consensus on how to apply the civility pillar. It's unlikely that any who's evaluated the situation and posted a support or oppose comment is going to change their mind, so we're just going to have to wait and see how it turns out. It may take awhile as AN activity is using lower on weekends. Nobody Ent14:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Good to see you're still around, bridies. And thanks—I managed to get more done than I thought I would. Honestly, my leaving had less to do with frustration and more to do with burn-out. I will admit that Niemti tried my patience to the nth degree, but I have Wikidragon editing tendencies these days. I was most likely going to take a break with or without Niemti getting under my skin. What I dealt with wasn't even close to what I've seen Niemti say to you, though. If I was in your shoes, I'd probably never come back. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 03:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for your work on Wikipedia! I find it extremely sad that you have decided not to contribute to Wikipedia again and you will be hugely missed by your friends here at WP:VG and the project as a whole. You've been one of the most valuable editors I've seen on-wiki in recent years and you made so many positive contributions to many different articles. Please do not let abusive comments get to you. I can certainly understand your frustrations with Wikipedia attitudes and I really hope you consider returning to Wikipedia again when the time is right. If not, I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. :) Kind regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Jake Adelstein. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. About Goto, not about Adelstein. Clearly poorly referenced (sourced only to Adelstein), and clearly controversial. Please do not re-insert this material again. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A fighting game is a singular, non-mass noun. "Fighting" is the genre. Unless you want to change the article title to something like "Fighting (video game genre)" (something that I don't think would be a good idea), the lead should probably begin with "A fighting game is a video game which ..." instead of "Fighting game is a genre". TheStickMan[✆Talk]15:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
China
Hi Bridies, I saw you reverted my edit on China on the basis that I have somehow upset the "current article status quo". Wikipedia is based on facts, not opinions, and my support of the change that Trust Is All You Need made is based on the facts documented in the constitution of the People's Republic of China. I suggest that anyone who wants to discuss this should do so on on the Talk:China page. Best, Philg88 ♦talk22:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Bridies, you thanked me for one of my recent edits, so here is a heart-felt... YOU'RE WELCOME! It's a pleasure, and I sincerely hope that you enjoy your continued improvement of this inspiring encyclopedia! – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX!
22:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Re:Jungle Strike
I actually noticed it was a project of yours after I mentioned it at WPVG, and I'd considered notifying you about it—but it looks like you beat me to the punch. It's a solid article, so I doubt it'll have any trouble passing GAN. On the topic of old potential noms, though: do you think rhythm game could still make it at FAC? Does the prospect even interest you? JimmyBlackwing (talk) 09:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@JimmyBlackwing:I think about it sometimes; I actually had an institutional Shibboleth account recently and stockpiled a load of journal articles on research into games for music and physical education, which was the main complaint last time, if I recally correctly. Someone, however, recently complained that the article doesn't cover enough of the latter day Japanese scene, and it looks like we'd need Japanese-language sourcing to cover that aspect. Which could obviously be another large headache. bridies (talk) 09:30, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I actually didn't realize that it failed at FAC—I didn't even remember that it'd been nominated. It's a strong article as-is, but I see why 1b complaints might be raised. Well, if you ever expand the article for another go at FAC, hit me up and I'll copyedit the new content. (And I'll make sure that I work faster than I did the first time.) I know you're not super active on Wikipedia anymore, though. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
I am not edit warring, and have made exactly 1 revert today (fewer than Calidum). My first edit (reverted), was not the same as the lst "edit war": I compromised by removing the mention from the infobox and instead added a couple of sentences to the prose (the latest editor on talk said he had no problem with the cat, let alone a prose mention; merely the infobox). My next edit (after Calidum's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_Dead_Redemption&diff=629938426&oldid=629935236 first revert, with a crass threat) compromised further by not adding the cat and added merely the prose mentions. The Calidum reverted wholesale, yet again. I am the one compromising here; Calidum is the one reverting wholesale (more reverts than me today). There is nothing on the talk page about the prose mentions, no one has objected to them, and that entire paragraph is about similar themes. People have argued against the infobox mentions and the category, neither of which I added in the last edit. It should have been uncontroversial, and was not a revert; I have been blocked before I could even point this out to Calidum. Calidum also made that last revert without even a talk page reply. I should be unblocked, as I have done nothing wrong, and Calidum should be boomerang-ed bridies (talk) 05:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Decline reason:
This is a perfect example of the "D" part of WP:BRD. Resumption of any similar edits to ones that led to an original EW blocks is considered to be a continuation of the same edit war. after the block expired, it was your responsibility to return to the discussion, and make no further edits to the article until consensus had been reached. Note also that the definition of edit war is clear: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement through discussion" - this is exactly what you're doing. Nobody wants you indeffed (at least nobody that I know of). What the project needs is discussion to reach consensus - yeah, that means that sometimes your desired edits won't make the final cut. Just because you're waiting for the next step in discussion, it does not mean "go ahead and make an edit" because Wikipedia has no time limit. If you intend to appeal this block again, please read WP:GAB, WP:AAB and WP:NOTTHEM first the panda ₯’10:02, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
In point of fact, you made three reverts, not two. The number isn't terribly important. Resumption of reverts almost immediatley after expiration of a block for breaching 3RR on the same page is sufficient to block. One is often enough. It demonstrates that you have not learned anything from your last block and that a pattern of disruptive conduct continues. If you keep up this denial, you will end up being blocked indefinitely.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:39, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23:I made one revert. The others are different edits, simply, and had significantly different content. I am amazed that you have not even admonished Calidum, whose sole modus operandi is to tag-team revert while saying "discuss on talk", while, in fact, refusing to discuss on talk (still waiting on a reply to my last argument, which again is about the cat, not the prose edits; the other antagonist, who has cited nothing but an essay, and not a single source, has asked me to "please just stop" citing anything on talk). Seriously, get fucked User:Bbb23, I dare you to indef-me. It would be an amazing testament to Wiki's (and it's admins') contempt for good content contributers if I was indef-ed over this garbage. bridies (talk) 06:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The first revert occurred on 16 October at 16:10 when you added the clone material to the body and restored the clone cat. The second revert was on 17 October at 03:03 when you reverted Hahnchen. The third revert was on 17 October at 03:44 when you restored the material to the body. If you think that a revert is only when your edit is an exact undo of another editor, you really need to familiarize yourself with the policy because that is completely wrong. As for indeffing you, that was both a warning and advice. It is standard to impose escalating blocks for similar misconduct, so I'm trying - without success - to let you know that you won't help yourself if you persist. Finally, don't be distracted by what you perceive to be misconduct by other editors. If you adjust your own conduct, the other problems will take care of themselves.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:02, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23:Garbage. I am not labouring under the impression that as long as the edit is not exactly the same it is not a revert; it is not a revert if it's a compromised version, and certainly not if it's a completely different edit. None of my edits added the term to the infobox, which is the only thing there is anything like a consensus against. My final edit added only the prose. No one has mentioned the prose, so how can it have been controversial? Don't presume to offer me advice; who are you to do so? Go back to adding bigger numbers to your "admin stats". bridies (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And as for "helping myself", recall that Wikipedia works thus: I give my time and skills, for free, to add new content and improve content (I used to give a hell of a lot of it; and I still give a decent amount). It's not me who loses anything from being blocked. bridies (talk) 15:23, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Come back soon
Don't let this place get to you for too long. There's too much work to be done to lose good editors like you. Please come back before long. -Thibbs (talk) 11:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another editor bites the dust. Though I had little interaction with you, from what I heard, you do great work. Keep up the faith and if you do come back soon, I would welcome you wholeheartedly but if not, I don't blame you. I wish you the best of luck in your retirement. Vaya con Dios! Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Come back soon? This guy was a complete troll. He engaged in several edit wars that I witnessed and created many false reports. I speak for many when I say "good riddance." 71.89.130.87 (talk) 10:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ahahaha. No idea who you are, but it seems about 1/8th of your two dozen or so contributions are reverting me. On talk pages. And that you are (still) sufficiently pissed at me to now make me the only user to have received a talk page comment from you. Ok then. Amazing. bridies (talk) 06:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar
I have seen you around on video game related articles from time to time and figured since you do good work you might give me some pointers on good habits to keep in maintaining video game related articles. PASTYL-FLO (talk) 08:15, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated ToeJam & Earl for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. JAGUAR12:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Re: TJ&E demotions
Hey Bridies, long time no see. Sorry to hear about the demotions—unfair, to say the least. As for holding onto GA status, I'm not 100% sure what the procedure is, but I think the article would need a separate GAR after the FAR to be demoted from GA. If it doesn't work that way, that's a confusing choice on Wikipedia's part. I also poked around for guidelines on this issue and found nothing. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's a Talk page with a capital "T"? An editor of serious consequence no doubt. 129857 edits. 129857. How much added content, how many GAs and/or FAs have you created? And how many you've prevented, who knows? I was only nostalgic and on the site (there's a correlation between those 2) and poking fun; an editor of your stature can surely take it in his/her stride (and you were hardly the only factor in that last sentence, but still). Also, one posts on, not to, a page, by the way (I charge for this sort of info IRL; so take it as a gesture of goodwill). Peace, and have a proverbial pint on me (my talk page, can't refuse it. So there.) bridies (talk) 15:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Jill Valentine
Hi. You commented at Jill Valentine's FAC2, which was a long time ago, so I understand if you don't want to get involved again (or even remember commenting in the first place). But JV's FAC3 was dismissed on the basis that I hadn't contacted previous commentators, so I've gone through all previous FACs and "peer reviews" and tried my best to address any issue which had ever been raised. I'm happy with the article as it is now (in that I believe it meets the featured article criteria), but I'd appreciate any feedback from any previous commentator. Do you think there's something I could improve before renominating? And would you be interested in commenting at FAC4? I'd ideally like to address every issue you may have before renominating, so the FAC can be as uneventful as possible. ;) I'd appreciate any feedback you may have, if you have the time. Cheers. Homeostasis07 (talk) 01:01, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
