|
User talk:BillMoyers.jpg) Welcome!Hello, BillMoyers, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place November 2013
Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 21:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC) December 2013
Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 03:18, 8 December 2013 (UTC)  Your recent editing history at Wikipedia shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 18:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC) Comment, This short edit was made to distinguish between "science" wiki-pages and "arts" wiki-pages which are presently not separately discussed in this article. If you have the current stats file for the number of wiki-pages for each scale of classification (number of A-class articles, B-class, C-class, etc) then the edit could be completely rewritten. BillMoyers (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC) Recent edit at abortionJust letting you know I reverted your addition of info from that 2013 article. As I explained in the edit summary, the page, and the section in question, discusses abortion incidence worldwide and should not include single-country data. I'm also not sure the source is very high quality. We are better off, where possible, relying on sources like high-quality medical journals such as The Lancet, or international health org stats such as produced by WHO. If you want to discuss further, i suggest you raise it on the article talk page. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 00:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Updates from new manual.DSM5 manual has been out since Spring of 2013 for over half a year now, and this article needs to be updated and redrafted to maintain assessment. It is oriented almost exclusively to DSM4 which is now defunct and superseded. This issue of DSM5 updates is to become system-wide for Wikipedia during the coming months and is a current concern system-wide. At a minimum, each of these listed items should be addressed on this wikipage. 1)Article as a whole appears to completely overlook the comparison and relationship of this diagnosis with "Personality Disorders" as presented in ICD10 and DSM5, the discussion is completely missing. ICD tells us that Schizophrenia can be diagnosed under "Personality Disorders". 2)Lede does not mention relevance of associated personality disorders to Schiz. diagnosis and treatment. 40% to 60% of all psychiatric diagnoses are accompanied with a diagnosis of associated personality disorders. See: Saß, H. (2001). "Personality Disorders," pp. 11301-11308 in Smelser, N. J. & Baltes, P. B. (eds.) International encyclopedia of the social & behavioral sciences, Amsterdam: Elsevier doi:10.1016/B0-08-043076-7/03763-3 ISBN 978-0-08-043076-8. 3)"Schneiderian" classification should be discussed under "History" section. It is secondary to both the ICD10 and the DSM5 classification categories and the section should reflect this. They (DSM5 and ICD10) presently do not appear in discussion until section 4 here as "Diagnosis". Unless this wikipage updates/replaces all DSM4 references with DSM5, it becomes outmoded and obsolete. 4)"Causes" subsection completely ignored diagnostic Personality Disorders; possible correction may be with a new subsection, or as a subsection to present "Genetics" subsection; Or, possibly under "Developmental." If Schizophrenia is related to Genetics, it is related to Personality Disorders as well. 5) Very scant and sparse "Psychological" subsection under "Mechanisms" compared to more fully developed "Neurological" subsection; Personality Disorders completely ignored in this subsection. Expertise of psychiatric background is visibly lacking in this subsection. 6) "Diagnosis" opening paragraph in subsection mentions only DSM4 and needs to be updated; no mention is made of disagreements and contrasts between DSM5 and ICD10 regarding "Schiz." diagnosis and assessment. 7)"Diagnosis" subsection on "Criteria" is outdated and does not mention DSM5 updates for schizophrenia. DSM4 is outmoded and obsolete for over half a year now. 8)"Diagnosis" subsection on "Subtypes" is outdated to DSM5 standards and needs to be re-drafted. ICD-10 classifies the DSM-5 schizotypal personality disorder as a form of schizophrenia rather than as a personality disorder. 9) That forty percent to sixty percent of psychiatric diagnoses for schizophrenia include a co-diagnosis of at least one of the personality disorders underscores the issue that a separate subsection is needed and justified for "Personality Disorders as a Component of Schizophrenia." The statistics inform the medical community that approximately every second or third diagnosis of schizophrenia by a psychiatrist is accompanied with a co-diagnosis of at least one personality disorder. This is far from "obscure" or "tangential." It covers between one third and two thirds of all psychiatric diagnoses for schizophrenia. It would be of high importance to include such a subsection during the time period of the DSM5 transition edits and neglectful if it is excluded. 10) Key explanation is needed of the full change of diagnostic format of specification for schizophrenia as a category of diagnosis by the DSM5 re-organization of the diagnostic classification for schizophrenia which now excludes subtype classification of variant forms of schizophrenia. 11) Mortality statistics and-or mortality tables for schizophrenia recovery need significant elaboration for each of the following categories, (a) with medications, (b) without medications, (c) with supportive therapy, (d) without supportive therapy. Also, the progress of chronic schizophrenia needs to be substantially differentiated and addressed to include at least the topics of (i) the extended control of symptoms, and (ii) the intensification and development of symptoms over longer periods of time, along with co-morbidity issues. 12) Cluster A significance to the discussion of schizophrenia in general can no longer be responsibly excluded from the discussion as currently displayed on this wikipage. The significance of Cluster A along with its heightened association to schizophrenia within this cluster of personality disorders as opposed to the other clusters, Cluster B and Cluster C, is presently entirely absent from this wikipage. The issue is presently fully neglected on this "Schiz." wikipage. The current Section4.2 on this wikipage is completely outdated and obsolete according to DSM5. Its material is now out of print and is no longer in use by an entire new class of medical students entering studies since Autumn 2013. 13) Fundamental misunderstanding of statistics on this wikipage must be clarified and its direct presentation enhanced. The statistics are that of 2.4 million adults (for example in 2004) in the United States diagnosed with Schizophrenia, that an estimated 960,000 to 1.44 million are co-diagnosed with at least one of the personality disorders. This material and its analysis are completely missing and lacking on this wikipage, and it should be consistent with DSM-5. 14) Page management at this wikipage has shown resistance to the inclusion of the crucial statistics linking PD to schizophrenia following the 2004 statistics and other supportive material as outlined above. Even with statistics as high as 1.44 million sufferers co-diagnosed with schizophrenia and PD, page management on this wikipage continues to neglectfully exclude the discussion of the active need for a sub-section on PD related to schizophrenia as found in DSM-5 and supportive literature. 15) The time frame for the discussion of schizophrenia and its related research literature must be clarified and made explicit to recognize fully the relationship of DSM-5 (2013) and ICD-10 (1990) with immediate emphasis. Any arbitrary time frames for identifying useful research material must be excluded. Statistics on chronic forms of schizophrenia can go back several decades (to the 1950s and 1960s) and still be highly useful in this wikipage. The time frame of 1990 for ICD-10 is a reasonable one, and the edit on this Talk page for a "Modern assessment" subsection has not received comment from User:Casliber or User:Jmb649. The material would responsibly bracket this wikipage as a whole to 1990 ICD-10, until such time as ICD-10 and DSM-5 are replaced. All arbitrary time frames must be excluded. This subsection should be added to protect this wikipage from becoming obsolete and outdated by DSM-5 standards. Hello User:R and User:S, Yes we all know it is an FA article, and we all know that it is under the shadow of becoming increasingly obsolete if the DSM5 transition edits issues are left unaddressed. If you are somehow suggesting that FA articles should be artificially protected against the progress of time, then I am not sure that is as realistic as DSM5 editors would normally expect. Your comment on "high-quality journal reviews" cannot possibly refer to the use of the journal "Neuroimage" which is a journal of considerable academic standing. Your ascription that Dr. Glover and Dr. Menon are not of a high quality of research must be very carefully worded since these are living authors with significant standing in the medical community. The current edit by Rob Hurt is verified and worth restoring. BillMoyers (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC) (The 15 point version of the DSM-5 transition edits is in the subsection below. This subsection preserves the preliminary exchange of users for the current DSM-5 transition update process.) Since forty to sixty percent of all psychiatric diagnosis, including schizophrenia, include a second co-diagnosis of at least one of the personality disorders, it is no longer practical to completely isolate the discussion of Schizophrenia from Personality Disorder as it may have been done in the past before DSM5.[1] Both the differential diagnosis and direct diagnosis of schizophrenia have been influenced by the DSM-5 re-organization of personality disorders into "Clusters."[2] In contrast to DSM-4, the updated DSM-5 published in 2013 now lists personality disorders in exactly the same way as other mental disorders such as schizophrenia, rather than on a separate 'axis' as previously. DSM-5 lists ten personality disorders, grouped into three clusters. Of the three clusters, "Cluster A" is directly relevant to the diagnosis and treatment of schizophrenia as ICD-10 indicates that the schizotypal personality disorder is a form of schizophrenia, and DSM-5 lists this personality disorder alongside schizophrenia in the section on "Schizophrenia Spectrum and Other Psychotic Disorders" along with a second listing of it in the separate section on "Personality Disorders."[2] "Cluster A" includes the three personality disorders: Paranoid personality disorder, Schizoid personality disorder, and Schizotypal personality disorder. Modern assessment and the ICD-10 definition Historically, the discussion of schizophrenia dates back at least to Freud and Schneider, yet was substantially refined in 1990 by the ICD-10 definition of schizophrenia. In ICD-10, schizophrenia became defined as covering a range of specifications which included paranoid schizophrenia (F20.0), hebephrenic schizophrenia (F20.1), catatonic schizophrenia (F20.2), undifferentiated schizophrenia (F20.3), post-schizophrenic depression (F20.4), residual schizophrenia (F20.5), and simple schizophrenia (F20.6). In its most general form, ICD-10 states that, "The schizophrenic disorders are characterized in general by fundamental and characteristic distortions of thinking and perception, and by inappropriate or blunted affect. Clear consciousness and intellectual capacity are usually maintained, although certain cognitive deficits may evolve in the course of time. The disturbance involves the most basic functions that give the normal person a feeling of individuality, uniqueness, and self-direction."[3] BillMoyers (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2013 (UTC) FA workHi Bill, I saw you dropped a note on my User Talk regarding work on an FA article. What was the article and what did you have in mind? I can't say I can commit to a ton of work but there's a specific section you'd like input on I'd be happy to try to do that. I am watching your User Talk page so just go ahead and reply here.
User nameYour user name is the same as a well-known person, Bill Moyers. You need to follow the procedures under "real name" or request a change of user name. TFD (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Your request on my talk page.Hi BillMoyers! Look what I found here: http://faculty.psy.ohio-state.edu/bruno/PDF%20files/Schizophrenia%20and%20Other%20Psychotic%20Disorders%20pg297-315.pdf 3RRPlease familiarize yourself with WP:3RR and refrain from reinstating edits without reading the talk page, or you could be blocked. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Note: New editor on Schiz. wikipage has been deflecting all new edits from 4 different editors to the Talk page there during the last two days. This same new editor has used the "3RR" warning erroneously with User:Markw as well from that same Talk page. BillMoyers (talk) 03:59, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Note: Internal quality control at Page:Schiz in relation to general Wikipedia quality control. Recently, one of the users on this wikipage expressed no knowledge of the difference between a "medical doctor" and a "registered nurse", and no knowledge of why this would be important to the writing a wikipage related to medical issues dealing with mental health in general. Most wikipedia users are already familiar with the two-axis approach which Wikipedia takes to the internal quality control of its millions of pages. The one axis is the rating of articles by"Importance" ranging on four gradations from high to low. The second axis used by Wikipedia for internal quality control is that of the "Upgrade" status of the article itself which ranges mostly on an eight part scale from FA and GA articles down to Start and Stub class articles. This is presented as a general frame to explain the gradation scale, also pertinent, of the gradation of hierarchy as it is seen in the medical profession and how this affects the two-axis internal quality control model which Wikipedia uses system wide. The most established medical doctors are those who have become department chairmen at either hospitals or medical schools, and they begin this list intended to be used for discussing related Wikipedia internal quality control issues: (1) Medical doctors who have become chairmen at hospitals or medical schools, often having written multiple books and medical articles, and supervising multiple research grants and programs, highest level of accomplishment. (2) Medical doctors who are full Professors and who hold tenured faculty positions and leading universities such as Harvard University. (3) Medical doctors who have become Attending Physicians at a hospital and have specialized in one of its many branches of medicine, such as Psychiatry, who organize the efforts of lower ranking medical doctors at the hospital and medical interns who are MDs. They may or may not have written journal articles. (4) Medical doctors who have specialized in one branch of medicine such as Psychiatry and have become board certified in this specialized branch of medicine. They may be treating physicians at a hospital or in private practice with affiliation to a hospital. (5) Medical doctor who may have specialized in a branch of medicine yet who are unaffiliated with a hospital, medical school, or university, and who are in private practice. (6) Medical doctors who are general practitioners without any specialization or interns, who serve an important service in their communities in providing needed health care. (7) Nurses of various degrees of accomplishment who usually assist medical doctors. This list presents the gradations of advancement within the medical profession in general terms and identifies the importance of this quality among doctors, much as Wikipedia uses standards for internal quality control of its wikipages as described above. There is a significant discussion of the quality of writing of specialized articles in, for example, the medical and/or the legal disciples, which has yet to fully take place at Wikipedia, as to whether an article submitted to Wikipedia benefits if an article is submitted by a high raking medical doctor from the enumeration above, or, if it is no different from a specialized medical wikipage written by a registered nurse of even a bright student. This table enumeration is presented here for general comment of how it might affect the Wikipedia internal quality control for this Schizophrenia wikipage and perhaps other medical wikipages. Is there any benefit to having medical articles written by doctors at the higher levels of the list? Can it potentially have a beneficial effect on Wikipedia quality? BillMoyers (talk) 15:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
RefsHey Bill. Per WP:MEDRS this [2] does not appear to be an appropriate reference source. Best. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC) Question about User Name/IDHello, My attention got caught up on your fairly recognizable User Name/ID here, and I have spent the past 5 min trying to figure out if you are Bill Moyers or not. It still is not clear to me if you are or are not the living person this User Name would lead one to believe you are. If you are, and I am not clever enough to figure it out in 5 minutes here, I apologize in advance. I also salute you and most warmly welcome you to WP. If you are not, I am curious why WP would allow someone to use another living person's name to construct/express a fake identity here. It does not look to me like this would be a proper use of the WP guidelines about User Name creation? Thanks a lot for dispelling my doubts/confusion on this matter quickly. warshy (¥¥) 16:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
GraphicsWhich page(s) are you intended to use these graphics? And what kind of data will it be presenting? OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:08, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the bar chart and pie charts on the Wikipedia articleHi. Sorry for replying late. I was just about to reply to your first message, telling you about the new charts (I finally managed to get them, after quite some time). The bar chart template may not work perfectly all the time. Sometimes, the labels get shifted a bit up or down. I tried rectifying it, and now everything looks OK, at least on my computer screen. If it has not already happened on yours, try refreshing the webpage. The 5th column in the bar chart simply shows the 5th category in the Wikipedia editorial team's statistics table: "???". It probably means "unassessed" or "undecided" quality. Just an important point about the bar chart and pie charts, which I also mentioned on the article: they are not auto-updated. So a Wikipedia editor will have to manually update all data. But the table, as you may know, is different: it is auto-updated. (If only there was a way to auto-update charts, too!) --Sarthak Sharma 13:22, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Username If you are the person represented by this username, please note that the practice of blocking such usernames is to protect you from being impersonated, not to discourage you from editing Wikipedia. You are welcome to continue to edit under this username, but we ask the following:
If you are not the person represented by this username, you are welcome to choose a new username (see below). A username should not be promotional, related to a "real-world" group or organization, misleading, offensive, or disruptive. Also, usernames may not end in the word "bot" unless the account is an approved bot account. You are encouraged to choose a new account name that meets our policy guidelines and create the account yourself. Alternatively, if you have already made edits and you wish to keep your existing contributions under a new name, then you may request a change in username by:
{{unblock|Your reason here}}, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.
Please note that you're not required to tell us what your real name is. If you'd rather not mention it, option #3 will be best. If you find the whole process confusing, you can type {{helpme|insertyourmessagehere}} to get help, or you can send me an email and I'll try to help. Nyttend (talk) 14:28, 29 December 2013 (UTC) @Nyttend: for #2, there is a procedure described at WP:REALNAME. The comment by NativeForeigner of 22:14, 27 December 2013 summarised part of it: "if your real name IS Bill Moyers, but you are not Bill Moyers please note this on your user/user talk pages". —rybec 22:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC) RE Your MessageI got your message on my talk page about working on an article. I would like to learn more about what you have in mind. Magnetawan (talk) 02:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
|
