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User talk:Beshogur/Archive 7
Kitab-i DiyarbakriyyaDo you have any information regarding this historical text? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
@Kansas Bear: why? Beshogur (talk) 00:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, recent genetic test show it - Bulgars have nothing to do with the mongols or turkic people. We are the autochthonous population of the Balkans and the area near Azov sea and Volga river area. A comparative genetic study shows the Bulgarians primarily represented by the Western Eurasian Y haplogroups, with 40% belonging to haplogroups E-V13 and I-M423, and 20% to R-M17 (R-M198 and R-M458). Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J-M172, J-M267, and G-M201) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q together occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5% among Bulgarians. (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanya Ilcheva (talk • contribs) 10:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC) Helpful siteSearch for books on this site.[1] --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC) @Kansas Bear: thanks. Beshogur (talk) 11:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC) HelpCould keep an eye on this page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah Thanks.MythicalAlien (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Şehzade Murad (son of Cem Sultan)
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ConsulationI have created this article to discuss İslamic-Middle Eastern style fortresses (aka. kal'a or qala) what do you think about it?--Visnelma (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2021 (UTC) Hi User:BeshogurPlease don't vandalise this page is used to update the Economies of Kurdistan, regardless of your Turkic view — Preceding unsigned comment added by Modazadi5 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC) SorryReally sorry, I hope you forgive me because of the conflict^^, let's be good friends^^, bye. Luân777 (talk) 04:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Not the way to go about editingYou should not make unilateral edits on 'good articles', you should raise matters on the talk page first, where you can outline your arguments and present your case. That you appear correct in this instance - though I need to do more checking - in no way excuses your high-handed attitude to editing. Urselius (talk) 18:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC) About Mustafa Kemal AtatürkHi, you undid my edit on the page about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Why?Ata Barış (talk) 15:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
@User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång I think this could be a reference for his sisters / brothers; https://www.google.com.tr/search?sxsrf=alekk00ztryh-dngrlm0syzkvz1uefswcg%3a1613226199238&source=hp&ei=1-anymluc_kmlwtq5laocw&iflsig=aınfcbyaaaaaycfu53nn1rp1gnmcr7bqy9zc4dgfl5n_&q=atat%c3%bcrk%27%c3%bcn+karde%c5%9fleri&oq=&gs_lcp= Ata Barış (talk) 16:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
But this is a source: https://www.rotakoleji.com/ataturkun-ailesi-ve-kardesleri Ata Barış (talk) 16:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Removal of my contentI demand an explanation on the removal of my edit in "List of proposed state mergers". Nicxjo (talk) 12:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for February 19An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Mongol Empire, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Togrul. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC) Undoing editsStop undoing peoples edits, you will not be warned again, if you feel my edits are wrong, feel free to bring an administrator to review the edits. 92.28.107.71 (talk) 16:12, 27 February 2021 (UTC) Don't get into an edit war (Azerbaijan Democratic Republic)Hi. I note that ChillManChill has tried twice, within a single day, to change the text of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic to say this was the first (not third) secular democratic republic in the Turkic and Muslim worlds. I've warned ChillManChill not to engage in edit warring, and since he reverted your change without explanation, I'm giving you a gentle proactive reminder about the edit warring policy. If there is a legitimate dispute here, I hope you and others will hash it out on the article's talk page and seek a consensus. When edit warring does happen, there is a danger that everyone involved (not just the true edit warrior) may get caught up in whatever enforcement measures end up being invoked. Happy editing. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 00:40, 5 March 2021 (UTC) Removal of My ContentCan you please explain why you removed my edits in the establishment section of the article? Also next time you make an edit or undo one, please leave an edit summary or explanation of why. Thanks! SherKhaan (talk) 16:50, 7 March 2021 (UTC) SaltukidsWhy did you change the Saltukids , Research into turkish sources they declared their independence after Kilic Arslan went on campaigns Sythid (talk) 00:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
i was listing them but you removed it , search it up you are turkish right? i will list some sources if you want? Sythid (talk) 00:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC) Here are some sources , https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sar%C4%B1_Saltuk The turkish wikipedia stating Sari Saltuk is from this Dynasty and they are alevi in which it shows all the sources on this page The Dynasty comes from the caliph Ali Ibn Abu Talib source is https://yolpedia.eu/saltuklular-ve-sari-saltuk/ /// https://www.uludivan.de/Sar%26%23305%3B-Salt%26%23305%3Bk-Oca%26%23287%3B%26%23305%3B.htm in Alevism there is something called ocak which is a hearth it is for people who descend from various heroes and legends and there is one ocak called Sari Saltik Ocak in which they descend from Sari Saltuk as shown in the link above another ocak is called Baba Mansur Ocagi which descends from Baba Mansur who is the fourth son of Sultan Melik Izzeddin Saltuk as stated in this source http://www.hbv-koeln.de/baba-mansur-oca.html i am from this Ocak Izzeddin Saltuk is my direct ancestor. - The Kars Castle in Turkey was commissioned by my forefather Sultan Melik Izzeddin Saltuk and was built by his Vizier Firuz Akay as shown https://www.castles.nl/kars-castle here is another source from Turkish Source https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/seyahat/kars-kalesi-nerede-kars-kalesi-tarihi-ozellikleri-ve-hakkinda-bilgi-41513551 Further Sources about the saltukids ^ Özaydın, Abdülkerim (2009). "Saltuklular" . Encyclopedia of Islam . Encyclopedia of Islam. s. 54. On April 29, 2020 from sources archived . Retrieved April 29, 2020 . ^ Yinanç, Mükrimin Halil (2013). History of Turkey Seljuk Period Volume I (Prepared for publication: Prof. Dr. Rafet YİNANÇ) . Ankara: Turkish Historical Society. s. 65,69,89. ISBN 978-975-16-2534-2 . ^ Yılmaz Öztuna, "States and Dynasties" Volume: 2, Ministry of Culture Publications, Ankara 1996, p. 42 As i said before They were a Alevi Dynasty who after the battle of manzikert established a beylik and the founder was Ebul Kasim Saltuk Bey , then when Kilic Arslan started to go on campaigns the Saltuks got their independence and then his sons and descendents will rule with the title of Sultan / Melik Here is more info about Sari Saltuk which includes his family tree http://isamveri.org/pdfdrg/D01093/2005_34/2005_34_SALTIKV.pdf And Finally if you have any doubt please research into the sources i have given and change the wiki page as it is not correct Sythid (talk) 01:16, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
VandalismStop vandalizing the Cyprus Emergency page, take any issues you have to talk k thanks bye. 81.178.217.203 (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
HiCan you add zunbils on list of turkic dynasties and countries they are turkic? Loveisthebest1 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC) Uzun HasanHey Beshogur, I can not find a battle fought by Uzun Hasan in 1471. Any ideas? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
How to protect the articles of Turkic Empires from being vandalized by iranians?Especially this "historyofiran" guy, quite obsessed with the various Turkic empires which ruled iran from 1000ad till 1900ad, trying to turn all the articles into propaganda. He changed the Seljuk Empire into "Turko-Persian". While Turks had the full command, and iranians were basically living in the territory. How can we prevent this guy from hijacking the articles? Should we bring out the fact that iranians were highly arabized? It's like calling Turkey "Turko-European" country because we adopted latin alphabet, and European democratic values. 88.230.181.227 (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC) Montro 'crisis'Hi. I think this new "crisis" regarding Montro and the subsequent statement by ex-TSK admirals are notable enough to have its own article. Though, I can't decide this myself. What do you think? And would you contribute to the possible article? --► Sincerely: Solavirum 09:41, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for April 7An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Golden Horde, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Kaffa. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC) Persian vs FarsiDear Beshogur; I see you have again undone my edit regarding the correct usage of the English word "Persian" vs the Persian word "Farsi". When you reverted my edit, you have asked "why not" ... please read my explanation on the previous edit, where I have clearly explained why not. I'll try an example or two : let's take a hypothetical article/world where the Afshari dialect was not "embedded in a Persian-speaking environment" and Persian had not become "the mother tongue of the Afshārs" ... but let's imagine that the Afshari dialect was "embedded in a German-speaking environment" and German had become "the mother tongue of the Afshārs"; if you were to write the exact same article, would you have said that the Afshari dialect was "embedded in a Deutsch-speaking environment" and Deutsch had become "the mother tongue of the Afshārs"?? you can replace Deutsch and German in this example, with : 1) Italiano and Italian 2) al-Arabiyah and Arabic 3) Polski and Polish 4) Español and Spanish 5) Français and French 6) Türkçe and Turkish 7) Română and Romanian ... ... ... ... ... ... ... the list goes on. I'm sure that, being a linguist, you see exactly what I mean. Now.. the other side of the coin : I have since noticed that the bit I edited is, in fact, a direct quote ... so my edit had been unnecessary and wrong. My apologies. But the explanation above was only to elaborate on your question of "why not". Have a nice day!
Have a great day and happy editing! @2.178.232.88: thanks for your understanding. Same. Beshogur (talk) 10:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC) Need your assistanceHey, Beshogur. Haven't heard from you for years it seems. How you've been doing? I hope you and your family are safe and sound. Well, straight to business: I'm writing to you as I know that you have particular interest and involvement in the Golden Horde-related topics, and I have recently added a whole new section to the article "Oz beg Khan". I would like your assistance here, specifically in such areas as providing appropriate links to some of the scholars I mentioned in that section, copy editing (using block quotations if necessary and etc), and so on. I would really appreciate that and remember, whenever you need similar help, you can always count on me as well ;-). Thanks, and take care! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 05:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC) Hey Visioncurve. Thanks for your thoughts. I hope you are fine as well. I try to edit about Golden Horde whenever I find something new. I don't have much information about Özbeg khan but will try my best. Beshogur (talk) 11:00, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Category:Hunchback royalties has been nominated for renaming Category:Hunchback royalties has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC) HelloMy edits on Pruth River Campaign were deleted by you, I have proofs Baltagy took bribe http://tarih34.com/prut-savasi-1711_h1878.html https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ai1YhNtRGgM YUMOYOY (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC) IMPORTANThttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkic_dynasties_and_countries If you go here and slide down you will see "Turko-Persian states" I looked at your projects a bit and as it seems they are Iranians again. The Seljuk Empire is also on the list YUMOYOY (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)  You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. TurkmensBeshogur, Why did you revert my change that Turkmens are called Turkmen Turks in Turkey? Your cite only Turkish sources to justify this, nowhere else except Turkey Turkmens are called that way. Here is the definition of Britannica about the name of the Turkmens: "Turkmen (people). Alternative Titles: Turcoman, Turkmeny, Turkoman." - Turkmen (people) Here is what the Big Russian Encyclopedia says about the name of the Turkmens: "ТУРКМЕ́НЫ (туркоманы; самоназвание – туркмен, мн. ч. туркменлер; араб., перс. терекеме, устар. рус. – трухмены, трухменцы, трухмяне) - TURKMEN (Turkomans; self-name - Turkmen, plural Turkmenler; Arabic, Persian Terekeme, obsolete Russian - Trukhmeny, Trukhmentsy, Trukhmyane). Bayram A (talk) 17:28, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Bayram A (talk) 18:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC) Once again, you guys say "also known as Turkmen Turks" but provide only Turkish sources to support that: 1. If Turkmens are "also known as Turkmen Turks" outside of Turkey, it is clear that you should mention reliable sources from a number of other countries in which this is stated. Otherwise, like I said in my previous post, it should be stated "also known in Turkey as Turkmen Turks". 2. There is wrong mentioning that Turkmens call themselves in the Turkmen language as "Türkmen türkleri". I am a Turkmen living in Turkmenistan and we never call ourselves "Türkmen türkleri" (Turkmen Turks), we absolutely separate the ethnonym "Turk" which is used to call the people of Turkey from the ethnonym "Turkmen", which is our name. However, if you have reliable sources stating that that Turkmens call themselves "Türkmen türkleri" (Turkmen Turks), please kindly mention them in the article. Bayram A (talk) 18:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Bayram A (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC) Hi. I have no problem with the mentioning of "Turkmen Turks" if supported by the reliable sources. You say "As far as it goes, these Turkmens, especially those that reside in two of the three Khorasan provinces (Razavi and North) and Golestan province of Iran are known collectively as "Turkmen turks" in some reputable and contemporary Iranian sources." Then please cite these concrete sources in support of your statement. This is Wikipedia and every statement should be linked to a reliable source, "good faith" will not work here. Thanks! Bayram A (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Bayram A (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC) Sources can be cited even if they are not in the Internet, but have been published and are considered reliable. As for my statement "Also known in Turkey as Turkmen Turks", the sources for that are there in the article as [11][12][13] posted by the author of the statement "also known as Turkmen Turks". All of these 3 sources are from Turkey. Thanks for taking time and letting everyone know your point of view. In general, the article "Turkmens" is a well-written one.Bayram A (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Koroghlu epicHi there. How are you? Sorry to disturb you once again, mate, but I'm here to inform you that the contents of Koroğlu, Gurughlu and Korughlu pages were merged into the "Epic of Koroghlu". I know you have been an active editor of that article down the years, therefore I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that, as you may already know, after this sort of actions, the merged pages need extensive copy-editing, polishing and re-structuring. Moreover, "Epic of Koroghlu" suffers from the lack of references, portions that are undoubtedly an original research and unspecified language problems for a handful of native words. To make a long story short, I invite you and have already invited a couple of other similar editors to go over that article with a fine-tooth comb and fix it all out. Thank you! Waiting for your response and help! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 06:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi there. How are you doing, Beshogur? I believe you are very much aware that one of the articles (Magtymguly) that, in my opinion, is in your sphere of interest is being nominated for GA. The first observations were made and the list of need-to-dos has been provided. I spent quite some time on that page yesterday, trying to quickly rearrange things, and added tons of new information that you might want to check whenever you have spare time. As always, I need your masterly expertise and objective opinion regarding these new additions and perhaps your help to further enhance that page and bring it to the level to get it qualified as a Good Article. Thank you, --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 03:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Maybe interested about to checkSome people seems disturbed about the Turkish army has official claim about when it is formed 209 B.C. It is official claim and it is said to it is claim, and I dont see any problem about that or any propaganda, but some people pretty disturbed I dont know why. Seems so eager about remove that things, especially here Turkish Land Forces. Thank you. 178.221.249.61 (talk) 21:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC) I see that you have reverted all the changes I made. Why is that? TzachasHello, I see that you have reverted all the changes I made on the 'Tzachas' page. Why is that? A barnstar for you!
Please take a read of it because your insistence that WP:NOTAFORUM applies is outrageous and silly and doesn't otherwise meet any of the criteria there. Grogudicae👽 17:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
dispute resolution in Talk:Ottoman Empireplease participate in the dispute resolution about the 1593 map you deleted from the ottoman empire page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ottoman_Empire#Ottoman_Empire_administrative_divisions_map_%5Bcontent_dispute%5D AbdurRahman Abdulmoneim (talk) 09:34, 5 May 2021 (CLT)
KhazarsIn the Khazars article the infobox has Khazar as lingua franca with Golden 2006, p. 91 as the source. Except Golden, page 91, only mentions Oguric Turkic as a lingua franca. Are Oguric Turkic and Khazar language the same? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal
Ottoman emprieAlthough the Ottomans are a Turkic empire, the "Ottoman emprie" page in Wikipedia has not even mentioned that the Ottoman is Turkic, and I ask you to edit the "Ottoman empire" article on the wikipedia and write that the Ottoman empire is a Turkic.(Sorry my English is bad) Bshajakaqkkqqjqjanannanamsn (talk) 08:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Kitab-i DiyarbakriyyaHey, Beshogur. I wonder if you could kindly send me all the stuff you have on Kitab-i Diyarbakriyya. I'd really love to acquire more knowledge of this subject and subsequently, help you out with your project you have in mind regarding bringing more of it into Wikipedia. Thank you! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 04:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Altai is not a Kypchak language.Hello, Altai is not a Kypchak language, it is Siberian and you can confirm this yourself by looking at the Kypchak languages and differentiating between them. Just because Altai is close to Kyrgyz vocabulary wise does not mean it is Kypchak, Kypchak are mostly the languages which were affected by Chagatay which we were not, and either way Altai does not contain any Kypchak features that would say so. We have Siberian features. I'd like to ask you to stop adding the Altai language to the Kypchak language list, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BatiYe (talk • contribs) 19:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
2020 Nagorno-Karabakh warSomeone has made a list of all visually destroyed, damaged and captured tanks etc for both sides, can you add this under infobox casualties please https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html About ethnic admixture of Turkic people.This is not at all fringe theories....as it is already mentioned in Wikipedia in various other subjects....but Turkic people find it hard to digest such facts especially when Indo-European words comes. Annishiskrishna (talk) 09:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC) About TurkicAnd I don't care. As what I've mentioned is already mentioned in Wikipedia and sometimes in indirect ways probably to avoid remove from Turkic nationalist 😁 Annishiskrishna (talk) 09:54, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I apology for my behaviour Annishiskrishna (talk) 04:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for June 8An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Afshar (tribe), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Haplogroup N. (Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2021 (UTC) June 2021 Your recent editing history at Kirkuk shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Need helpHey, Beshogur? How are you? I hope you are doing well these days. Actually, I disturbed you for the reason that I wanted to ask you if you could do me a favor. You see, the thing is that I'm a bit puzzled as to how to upload a video to Wikipedia. No matter what I do, an irritating "error" message pops out. And the crux of the matter is that I hoped to upload a video with a person speaking Azerbaijani Turkic and utilise it in the "Azerbaijani language" page. Likewise with the Turkmen language. Shortly, I wanted to imitate Wikipedia's "Turkish language" page where there is a nice video with a girl seemingly of an Albanian descent speaking Turkish; you may actually watch it here. Shortly, I would like to ask you to give me a hand with uploading videos about Azerbaijani and Turkmen languages (they are readily available in the Wikitongues website and are free to share under CC license) and publishing them in relevant pages? Bunu benim için yaparsanız, size çok minnettar kalıcam. --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 14:12, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
@Visioncurve: I mean is it even allowed to upload random videos? As I said maybe you should try contact wikitongues first, maybe they could help. Take care. Beshogur (talk) 10:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Why the change?Why did you revert the change I made? Timur didn't have a house, he had a dynasty, as it said. Why change back to his house. It's not the European houses like Habsburg, Bourbon, etc, etc. Şehzade_Murad_(son_of_Cem_Sultan)Hi there, Not to cause any drama or problem, my update on [Şehzade_Murad_(son_of_Cem_Sultan)] is clearly acknowledged in John Freely (2004). Jim Sultan: the Adventures of a captive Turkish Prince in Renaissance Europe. If you would like scan copies from the book, I am more then happy to send them via email. Comte_de_Sayn(talk) 12:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC) June 2021
Could you perhaps tell me whether the first part of the "SİRACEDDİN ei-URMEVI" entry of the TDV actually supports a Kurdish origin (or any other origin)?[4] Would appreciate it. Thanks, - LouisAragon (talk) 20:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
About Treaty of SèvresHello. Can I ask you to help with something? There is an English-Turkish treaty in history called the Treaty of Sèvres (1920). The Wikipedia map of this treaty is not correct. They map out the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916. I put it right but it was taken back. I put the proofs of the treaty, I put the sources. Can you please have a look? http://sam.baskent.edu.tr/belge/Sevres_ENG.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140531175547/http://treaties.fco.gov.uk/docs/pdf/1920/TS0011.pdf However, this agreement never entered into force. Because a revolution took place in Russia. The Bolsheviks came to power and the treaty was annulled. It was also decided that Turkey would remain independent according to Wilson's principles. In 1918, Britain promised that the Muslims in India would not harm Turkey and the caliphate, and thus received 1 million 160 thousand soldiers. Istanbul and Anatolia were given to the Turks. Only Armenia, Kurdistan and Izmir were mentioned in the agreement. A sphere of influence for Italy and France does not exist in the treaty. This map is completely fake. The first person who prepared the map prepared it wrong. Then everyone copied from him. https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevr_Antla%C5%9Fmas%C4%B1#/media/Dosya:WholeRegionSevres.gif This is the real map. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Treaty_of_S%C3%A8vres_1920_-_English.png This is the colorized version. There are other sources as well. The Truth About The Peace Treaties Vol-2(1938) page 1339-1340. Cabinet Papers, Cab 24 / 95, ANGLO-FRENCH CONFERENCE ON THE TURKISH SETTLEMENT, Appendix to Minutes of First Meeting, First part of M. Berthelot's note of the 12th December with comments of Political Section of British Peace Delegation, p. 4 Cabinet Papers, Cab 24 / 95, Fourth Meeting: Turkish Settlement, p. 31 https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/10/sykes-picot-treaty-of-sevres-modern-turkey-middle-east-borders-turkey/ https://www.juancole.com/2010/12/turkey-1920.html https://mesopotamianmarine.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/a-semester-in-review-the-microcosm-of-iraqi-kurdistan/ This is the Sykes-Picot map. But according to this treaty, Armenia and Istanbul must be given to Russia. This treaty never happened. It was just a project. The Wilson principles of January 8, 1918 prevented this. https://russiancouncil.ru/en/analytics-and-comments/analytics/nuzhno-li-prisoedinyat-rossiyu-k-soglasheniyu-sayksa-piko/ All edits I've made have been reverted, even though I've cited their sources. It was claimed that I did not cite sufficient resources. So, I said, read the text of the treaty yourself. They didn't have time to read the treaty. I should have cited more sources. Isn't the real source the treaty itself? Could there be a higher, more accurate source than this? Also, this is the map shown in Greek history. Here, Italy and France's sphere of influence is not left to them in the treaty. It shows the military units that were there at that time. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Treaty_sevres_otoman_el.jpg https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Συνθήκη_των_Σεβρών_(Ελλάς_-_Τουρκία) I wish you good work.Luisao Araujo (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2021 (UTC) I guess that there is not a a single person even read the treaty.Luisao Araujo (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_S%C3%A8vres#/media/File:WholeRegionSevres.gif This is the original map. Not others.Luisao Araujo (talk) 12:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Read the agreement and show in which article the zone of influence is written.Luisao Araujo (talk) 12:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC) You claimed that Italy and France were given zone of influences. I'm still waiting for you to prove it to me.Luisao Araujo (talk) 15:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC) I'm still waiting for your answer. Why are you silent. Want to look at other maps? https://www.info-grece.com/encyclopedia/traite-de-sevres-1920 http://aujourdhuilaturquie.com/fr/le-proche-orient-du-traite-de-sevres-a-nos-jours/ https://www.memoiresdeguerre.com/article-traite-de-lausanne-1923-107400884.html https://www.revueconflits.com/turquie-traite-sevres-armenie-histoire-lausanne/ https://mindthemap.fr/empire-ottoman-traite-de-lausanne-1923/ https://campusnumeriquearmenien.org/ressources/details/1400 Luisao Araujo (talk) 07:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC) @Luisao Araujo: too much stuff, and it's exact not clear which part to read. Beshogur (talk) 09:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC) You only need to look at one document. Or you can read the treaty yourself instead. Or try to show where the zone of influence given to Italy is written. This is very clear and very simple.Luisao Araujo (talk) 10:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC) Kyrgyz peopleHi, the sources are listed under further reading, Mitchell, Laurence. (2008) Kyrgyzstan: The Bradt Travel Guide. The Globe Pequot Press. 2nd edition (2012). ISBN 1-84162-221-4. West, Barbara A. Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Asia and Oceania, New York, 2009, ISBN 0-8160-7109-8. Abstrakt (talk) 05:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Mitchell, Laurence. (2008) Kyrgyzstan: The Bradt Travel Guide. The Globe Pequot Press. 2nd edition (2012). ISBN 1-84162-221-4. From page 25 "Buddhist practices have little bearing on contemporary Kyrgyzstan but there are small numbers of Kyrgyz in China and the Central Tien Shan region that continue to observe a form of Tibetan Buddhism rather than Islam." West, Barbara A. Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Asia and Oceania, New York, 2009, ISBN 0-8160-7109-8. From page 441 "While the majority of Kyrgyz residing in contemporary Kyrgyzstan practice Sunni Islam or this syncretic blend of Islam and pre-Islamic shamanism, animism and ancestor worship, some Chinese Kyrgyz practice a form of Tibetan Lamaist Buddhism, which they adopted after their migration to China in the early 20th century." Abstrakt (talk) 04:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC) SeljuksHi there, Beshogur. How are you? I dared to think that my latest additions to the "Seljuk empire" page, especially those new "Culture and language" and "Military" sections would draw your interest. I pin my hopes on the belief that you will go through them as soon as possible. Any feedback will be appreciated. Take care! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 14:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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PLOS and Eupedia are not "high tier" ? Whatever... I will add a 4th source. Historyandsciencelearn (talk) 10:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC) Barsils in Chinese sources?Greetings, Beshogur. I think I must rely on your Turkish proficiency again. When I used Google Translate on this article, I gather that Hayrettin İhsan Erkoç argued that several Chinese sources transcribed the Turkic ethnonym Barsil into Chinese as 卑失 Beishi or 畢失 Bishi. Whenever you have time, would you please contribute use information from Erkoç's article to the article Barsils? The relevant pages are 96, 100, 107-109. My thanks in advance. Erminwin (talk) 04:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Hamid IIHi, I understand your reason for the revert to my edit on Abdul Hamid II. The reason I added the "This article is about..." is because when I searched for "Hamid II" I was redirected to the Ottoman sultan. The subject of the article I was looking for, Syarif Hamid II of Pontianak, or Sultan Hamid II as he is usually known, was a significant person in Indonesian history, although clearly not as significant as Abdul Hamid II in Ottoman and Turkish history. I thought that just adding the "This article is about..." was the best solution - it's only one line, and is better than "Hamid II" going to a disambig page. I won't revert, but do you think it's worth a thought? Regards and stay well. Davidelit (Talk) 14:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
New articleHope all is well with you. Started Mimar Sinan Mosque, if you have any brilliant Turkish sources, feel free to improve. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC) Welcome backHi, friend! Long time no see. How have you been? Happy to see you back, really. Just wanted to let you know. Take care! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 06:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Lead in Turkish peopleHi Beshogur, I hope this message finds you well. The term "Anatolian Turks" is not used to refer to all Turkish people; it is not used to for Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Bulgarians, Syrian Turkmen etc. The lead I wrote is an attempt to represent all ethnic Turkish groups not just the Turks living in Turkey. Can you detail exactly what your objection is so we can write a better and more inclusive introduction (one that is representative of Balkan Turks, Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Meskhetians, and the Turkmoan communities in the Levant). Thanks in advance, Sseevv (talk) 10:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Your revert in Turkey & TurkificationHello @Beshogur: I noticed you reverted my addition to Turkey under Military section regarding the United States State Department putting Turkey on the list of countries that use child soldiers. I found this to be relevant to the page, but you reverted and wrote to "take your concerns to the talk page", well actually I had already did, I guess you did not check after reverting, but you have not responded yourself so maybe it is worth addressing your concerns there to why you think it should not be included? Secondly in Turkification, within the talk page I created a new section (without editing the article at all) with suggesting to change the structure of the page so as to properly be able to include the Turkification content in regards to what Turkey is doing in Afrin and also other parts of Rojava that they invaded. You removed my talk page content and your description simply was "stop propaganda on the talk pages". You did this twice after I reverted the change. Granted I am no expert, but your Wikipedia etiquette seems to be lacking. You could have at least responded or came to my talk page to discuss. TataofTata (talk) 15:51, 29 August 2021 (UTC) Suleiman the magnificentAasSalam Alaiqum brother. May I ask you what is your problem with separate sub list for sons and daughters of Sueliman? Plenty of Royalty infoboxes uses it. Hopefully we can come to an understanding Ishan87 (talk) 06:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
It's not wrong brother. Read the Template box again. Many page's royality box uses subcategories. Anyway, why are u putting "Valide" in Mihrimah Sultan's name? It is completely false. Ishan87 (talk) 10:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Revert of my editsPlease don't revert edits without an explanation. All I did was add Bazarak as we facto capital of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan while Kabul was added as de jure capital, and I explained this was due to Kabul being lost. And I added Amarullah Saleh who has now heads the government as acting President. Pretty self-explanatory. So what was the reason for revert when all my edits were correct and unproblematic? LéKashmiriSocialiste (talk) 15:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC) I knoe right? He removed my edit on the Mamluk Sultanate without any explanation. Capurta (talk) 02:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC) know* 🤦 Capurta (talk) 02:39, 2 September 2021 (UTC) Islamic Republic of AfghanistanHello, as discussed on the talk page, despite losing the vast majority of its territory the Islamic Republic government still exists and has not surrendered nor dissolved. We've been working on making the lede reflect that, and I worked very hard on the wording as it is now. If you feel it is inadequate, please discuss at the talk page there instead of just reflexively reverting the edit. Thank you! Not logged in 2 (talk) 15:06, 4 September 2021 (UTC) Can you look at it now? Is it okay? Not logged in 2 (talk) 15:06, 4 September 2021 (UTC) NKR/Artsakh map on Madagiz and TalishRegarding your recent reverts of my readding the NKR/Artsakh location map to Madagiz and Talish - the location map is useful and relevant to all Nagorno-Karabakh settlement articles first of all on a practical level since it offers a zoomed in view of the region and contains the border of the former NKAO - the settlements were part of the NKAO and were, until the 2020 war, controlled by Artsakh, and are present on the rest of the Nagorno-Karabakh articles. Regarding Artsakh claims - they are a bit dubious from what I've gathered, but from what I've understood they've extended to at least the former NKAO before the 2020 war and since. AntonSamuel (talk) 09:50, 5 September 2021 (UTC) Thank you for your special contributions on Turkic history and politics
BerkBerk68 (talk) 18:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC) AIVHeya, just a quick note to let you know your recent contribution to WP:AIV was redacted and suppressed; the content you copied over from edit summary of the user you were reporting contained some pretty defamatory statements, which per OSPOL #2 should be quietly reported and hidden. In the future, you are of course welcome to report users like this, but "posting defamatory statements" is sufficient. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2021 (UTC) @Primefac: hopefully I didn't get some sanction, right? Beshogur (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Ertugrul religion why do u keep taking off the [[]]? CrypticVgamer (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Al-BulgariyIt has Arabic influence, Arabs call their language as Al-Arabiyyah or Arabiy. İn this logic they can also use it as language because it has donated with Arabic suffix which make a thing nation and language. That's why there is such a suffix in Arabic language, that's how it works. Bulgariy is a language as well. That's pretty clear. BurakD53 (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello Beshogur. The complaint that you filed at AN3 has been closed by another admin as No violation, on the grounds that the reverts were not within 24 hours, and that neither of you has tried using WP:DR. Even so, I don't think that the slow war will be allowed to continue. The other party is new and they may not be familiar with Wikipedia's sourcing standards. This is a good time for you to respond at Talk:Azerbaijani language and explain why the evidence supplied thus far is not adequate. If either of you reverts again without getting a prior consensus in your favor on the talk page, admins may feel compelled to take action. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC) Red link of Western Hunnic EmpireI saw there is a red link for the Western Hunnic Empire at the 16 Great Turkic Empires. Remembering your interest in the Turkic steles, I thought you might be able to turn that one blue. Best, Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
My idea on the "Ottoman Empire" pageYou still didn't provide a reason why I should not put flags on the successor states? I think it's a good idea because that could improve this page! WikiManUser21 (talk) 08:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC) What is your problem?I moved 'Safe Zone (Syria)' to 'Safe & No-fly zones in Syria' the obvious purpose is to expand the article and properly explain all the safe and no-fly zones within Syria regarding the Syrian civil war. Very obvious and did it really need requesting or explaining? You've provided no effort to contact me, no effort to provide some kind of reasoning why you're against it. By making me start an unnecessary request you are wasting peoples times and energy. This isn't the first time you are disrupting. If you carry on with this kind of attitude I will be forced to seek admin help for your behaviour. --TataofTata (talk) 11:30, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
What do you mean with quotation marks? I have 1100 pages in my watchlist. Also that edit was before the reached consensus which I respect. Beshogur (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2021 (UTC) Iraqi Turkmen (language)Would you be so kind as to explain to me why you deleted by contribution to the Iraqi Turkmen page regarding the classification of their spoken language? In addition to the extensive academic sources cited by the editor "John Francis Templeson" on the talk page [5], I'd invite you to read in full the entry on "Iraqi Turkic" found in Lars Johanson's Discoveries on the Turkic Linguistic Map, published by the Swedish Research Institute in Istanbul, 2001. (p. 15-16) "Iraqi Turkic The Iraqi Turkic varieties of the "Turkmen belt occupy an interesting intermediary position. They have a complex background and present a rather heterogeneous picture, displaying connections in various directions. The region has an ever-changing history of settlement with Turkic groups moving into the region in various waves from the early Muslim period on. It still has a high proportion of bi- or trilinguals with Arabic and Kurdish in various constellations. It has belonged to different zones of influence, reigned by Omayyads, Abbasids, Saljuks, Mongols, Elkhans, Jalayirids, Aqqoyunlï, Qaraqoyunlï, Safavids and Ottomans. It has experienced repeated changes of prestige languages, particularly Arabic, Persian, and Ottoman. The modern Turkish influence was strong until Arabic became the new offõcial language in the 1930s. A certain diglossia Turkish vs. Iraqi Turkic is still observable. In a recent study (2000 a), Christiane Bulut discusses the classifõcation of the Iraqi Turkic varieties, comparing them to Anatolian and Irano-Turkic dialects of the Azerbaijanian and Afshar types. She concludes that the dialects originally display numerous features of the Afshar or Southern Oghuz group but also exhibit similarities with certain southeastern Anatolian dialects as those of Urfa and Diyarbekir. Turkish as prestige language has exerted profound influence on Iraqi Turkic. Thus, the syntax differs sharply from neighboring Irano-Turkic varieties." You can download the publication here: http://www.turkiclanguages.com/www/Johanson_Discoveries-1.pdf EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2021 (UTC) Incorrect map yearHello. Regarding this unexplained revert, the map is clearly not from 2005 as it shows the USSR. The map name has an incorrect date (and I have requested it be renamed to avoid the misleading name). Please could you remove the incorrect year claim. Thanks, Number 57 00:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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Maybe of your interestdiff, I'll adapt the English language a bit. But the Turkic language, I leave to you. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Ghaznavi empire never conquered KasmirI want to clear that Kashmir was not under the Ghaznavid rule. Kashmir was ruled by the Lohara dynasty, a Hindu dynasty, from 1003 to 1320 CE. The Lohara dynasty were Hindu rulers of Kashmir from Khasa tribe, in the northern part of the Indian subcontinent. Their capital was Srinagar. This dynasty was preceded by Utpala dynasty. Utpala dynasty was a Hindu dynasty which ruled over the Kashmir region from 8th to 10th century CE. The Utpala kingdom was established by Avanti Varman, ending the rule of Karkota dynasty in 855 CE.The cities of Avantipur and Suyapur were founded during the reign and many Hindu temples dedicated to both Vishnu and Shiva and Buddhist monasteries were built, notable of which is the Avantiswara and Avantiswami temples. Raja Sangramraja , who ruled from 1003 to 1028 CE, and founded the Lohara dynasty repulsed several attacks of Mahmud of Ghazni. Mahmud could never defeat Kashmiri Kings! Besides, Raja Sangramraja also helped Trilochanpala, the Hindushahi ruler of Lahore, with an army against Mahmud of Ghazni. The combined army defeated Sultan Mahmud. It was only in 1021 when Mahmud defeated and killed Shahi Trilochana Pala and his son Bhima Pala, thereby conquering Rahib and Lahore. Trilochanpala, was son of Anandpal and grandson of Jayapala. Maharaja Jayapala kingdom stretched from Laghman to Kashmir and Sirhind to Multan, with Peshawar being in the center.He was the son of Maharaja Hutpal and the father of Maharaja Anandapala. Maharaja Jayapala, was the ruler of the Hindu Shahi dynasty from 964 to 1001 CE. Maharaja Jayapala is known for his struggles in defending his kingdom against the Ghaznavids in the modern-day eastern Afghanistan and Pakistan region.Maharaja Jayapala saw a danger in the consolidation of the Ghaznavids and invaded their capital city of Ghazni both in the reign of Sebuktigin and in that of his son Mahmud, which initiated the Muslim Ghaznavid and Hindu Shahi struggles. Maharaja Jayapala, however, lost control of the entire region between the Kabul Valley and Indus River. Sultan Mahmud died in 1030 CE. Sadruddin Shah, also known as Rinchan ( 陈林 ) was the first Muslim ruler of Kashmir.He ruled Kashmir from 1320 to 1323 and was instrumental in establishing Islam in Kashmir. Rinchan, whose full name was Lhachan Gualbu Rinchana, was a Buddhist Prince from Ladakh, and the son of the Ladakh chief, Lhachan Ngos-gruba, who ruled Ladakh from 1290 to 1320. Rinchan wanted to convert to Hinduism but the Hindu religious leaders of the time refused to admit into their fold. Rinchan embraced Islam and took Muslim name of Sultan Sadruddin. Sultan Sadruddin was succeeded by the Shah Mir dynasty. The Shah Mir Dynasty was a Muslim dynasty,during the rule of this dynasty from 1339 to 1561, Islam was firmly established in Kashmir. Thus, you can your self understand Kashmir came under Islamic rule in real sense from 1339. 2405:201:A400:7175:1D6:5A6:CA00:14C6 (talk) 16:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC) BaburRegarding this edit, please let @ThatDohDude: know. GiantSnowman 11:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Basarab: be careful not to be too selective with your sourcesThe preponderance of scholarly opinion is that at least the name Basarab is of Cuman or Pecheneg origin, and Basarab's father or grandfather may have even been Cuman or Pecheneg himself. However, there is no consensus. So you're going way beyond your remit in stating in the very first sentence of the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Basarab that "The Basarabs were a family of Cuman origin" citing only one source: Vásáry, István (2009). Cumans and Tatars: Oriental Military in the Pre-Ottoman Balkans, 1185–1365 (1st ed.). Cambridge University Press. It looks a great source to me, but on p. 153, it clearly says: "Be that as it may, Basarab obviously bore a name of Turkic origin, and possibly so also did his father. Though it cannot be definitely proved, they were probably of Cuman extraction. But Basarab himself is expressly stated to be a Vlakh; King Charles I speaks of him as Bazarab infidelis Olacus noster." So King Charles I (of Hungary) identifies Basarab I as a Wlach. Also, the specific text you quote, I don't think actually comes from the text of the book, but from a blurb? Is it from this URL? http://assets.cambridge.org/052183/7561/frontmatter/0521837561_frontmatter.htm I think so, in which case, it should definitely not be quoted in the voice of István Vásáry himself. EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 12:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
@EnlightenmentNow1792: WP:HOUNDING will you stop watching my contribution page? This is the second time. Beshogur (talk) 13:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Turco-Persian traditionHey, when people refer to Turco-Persian tradition, they aren't referring to correspondence between speakers of Anatolian Turkish and Persian, but instead the correspondence between Turkic peoples and Persian culture. Therefore, putting an Anatolian Turkish transliteration on the page makes no sense as Anatolian Turkish refers to modern standard form of Ottoman Turkish that's exclusively official in Turkey and Cyprus. It's excluding any other Turkic languages and is extremely inaccurate. ThatDohDude (talk) 20:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC) Independence referendumHello. Just an FYI, the Yugoslavian independence referendums have been marked as 'Yes' in the Recognition column since 2014. I was reverting a change by an IP. Cheers, Number 57 23:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC) MapYour map about Afghanistan demographic is wrong balkh has tajik majority while kunduz has pashtuns your map does not have any sources Hisksjueeu (talk) 09:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC) Iraqi TurkmenHi Beshogur, I reverted the disruptive editing back to the original article. I'm obviously very open to discussing improvements that may be needed, but it does seem to be the typical strategy of users removing anything to do with the Iraqi Turkmen-Turkish connection. I'm not very active at the moment but will try to keep an eye out for any discussion what may arise. Hope you can contribute too. Cheers, Sseevv (talk) 12:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC) Armenia-Azerbaijan DS alert This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date. You have shown interest in Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related conflicts. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic. For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor. --Armatura (talk) 00:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Joyous Season .jpg)  I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Coffee/Holidays}} to your fellow editors' talk pages.
Proposed State MergersHi i would like to know why did you revert my edits in this page of propose state mergers is it that i had done something or is the facts wrong. Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francabicon (talk • contribs) 17:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Season's Greetings
Do you know of any sources stating which language(s) Ahmad Jalayir wrote poetry? There are currently non-English sources stating he wrote poetry in Azerbaijani. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
The sultan, who was interested in poetry, wrote poems in Turkish, Arabic and Persian. A Turkish gazel was published by Fuat Köprülü (“An Azeri Poet in the 16th Century”, HM, p. 82). The Persian divan, on the other hand, is well-known (in addition to foreign countries, there are the following copies of this divan in Istanbul:
Good evening, can you stop editing out the things I add with sourcesOn the Gagauz page I added other dna studies on them with scientific terms and correct sources, please do not remove them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Safinazuyuyor (talk • contribs) 09:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Hi, Beshogur! I appreciate your edits at Wikipedia. Can you help me in expanding the draft a little bit. Its something very interesting. But no more sources are available. However, we can expand a little bit with episodes as I think. Keep up your good work. Thank you. IAmAtHome (talk) 12:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Possible sock?Hello, I came across this user Muhammet211 editing on Muslim minority of Greece. I noticed you had mentioned on a draft that they may be a person using different IP's to abuse pages. The contributions seem unconstructive and POV-pushy to me, and the sources being used are either other Wikipedia articles or other questionable references. Could you help me verify the content as you seem to have more knowledge on the subject than me? Thanks. --TylerBurden (talk) 23:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I will cede that my sources were unreliable, however your accusation of me being a "sock" is completely unfair and rather presumptuous. There was alot in that article that was unmentioned and purposefully or un purposefully removed-The current edit of the article does not properly represent the minority. Also your use of the phrase which you used "Turkish minority of Thrace" clearly shows your skewed view of the minority as it included pomak and romas which do not identify as "Turks" as for the turkish speaking percentage they identify as Greek Muslims or Turk Greeks. which the current edit fails to mention or even reference. Also your removal of my info box and all my images was unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhammet211 (talk • contribs) 10:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
May i ask to why you label it is a "Turkish minority" rather than a muslim one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhammet211 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC) |
