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Unexplained revert

Could you please explain this revert here [1]? A Turkish source gave an updated claim on Turkish losses, and a Kurdish source gave an updated claim on Kurdish and Turkish losses. So, I updated both the previous Turkish claim on their own losses, and the previous Kurdish claim on both sides losses that was already in the infobox. We have been presenting both sides POV on the matter of losses per Wikipedia's policy on neutrality. EkoGraf (talk) 03:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Changing "PKK members" to "Kurdish fighters" is not neutrality, and please check your sources. Beshogur (talk) 11:40, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I did check my sources, and if you did as well you would see the source was referring to dead YPS members as well, not just PKK. Even though the YPS was born out of the PKK as their youth wing, and considered part of the PKK by many (such as Turkey), they are still at least officially separate from the PKK and we have listed them as such in the beligerents section of the infobox. THAT is why I changed it from PKK members to Kurdish fighters, so it would include all Kurdish combatants. If that was your whole problem it wouldn't warrant a full revert of my whole edit. And I don't see how that change is not neutrality, and implying that I am non-neutral is a bit offensive and not per WP policy on assuming good faith from your fellow editors. EkoGraf (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Dersim massacre/rebellion

The point is the article is called the Dersim massacre. You can't just change the content without a change in name. Go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and follow the procedure there. I've just done that very thing. You also reverted sourced content, you didn't just replace the word massacre with the word rebellion. I've got no opinion on this, but the editor I first reverted is a new editor with a number of problems. Doug Weller talk 19:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Caucasus

Do not move Armenia to partially or unrecognized, it doesnt make sense. Partially means only in part; to a limited extent. How is one country out of close to 200 partially? Ninetoyadome (talk) 04:43, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Armenia is partially recognized, they're not recognized by Pakistan.

Pakistan was the first country along with Turkey to recognize Azerbaijan after its independence. Pakistan does not recognize Armenia and will never do so. We speak with one voice on NagornoKarabakh. On 14th March, 2008 we together passed the first Resolution 882 on Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijan has supported us on Kashmir and we are thankful to you for that.

Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed

Beshogur (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

You are deliberately ignoring the definition of the word partial. Pakistan is the only country out of close to 200 that doesnt recognize Armenia. http://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-the-only-country-not-recognizing-armenia.298703/. If you change the page again i will report you for vandalism to the mods. Ninetoyadome (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
You can do that.. Beshogur (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

July 2016

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map. Erlbaeko (talk) 14:13, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Those villages were before sourced. Beshogur (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
You already said that, and I asked you where that source is. Ref. diff. Note that the burden is on you to demonstrate verifiability. Erlbaeko (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
By the way, Stop icon You may be blocked from my Talk page without further warning the next time if you bother me again. Beshogur (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Tuz Khurmatu

According to your own source there is an agreement to withdraw all forces and hand over town to local police. So why should that be marked as red? If anything the town has always been administered by kurds and the mayor is kurdish. So if one color is chosen it should be yellow. Best option is to mark as joint unless you want to make a new color to explain "local police force". Mozad655 (talk) 16:21, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

There isn't Kurdish police in Iraq, so the local police is the police of the central gov't. Beshogur (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
There is kurdish police in all kurdish areas. Why do you assume its the local police of the central gov't and not the KRG? Mayor is kurdish and town has been under kurdish adminstration since 2003. If they are under central gov't there would be no point in an "agreement" from a peshmerga perspective, as it would constitute surrendering the town to the central gov't which is unheard of. The local police by logical intuition must be local, non-partisan and seperate from main iraqi-police which is really just a formality as Iraq is not organized and army/police/millitias are all the same. Millitias might aswell not have left then. Do you get my point? Mozad655 (talk) 23:23, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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Erlbaeko (talk) 17:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Your edits on Jarabulus offensive (2016)

You've now added information that is not in source for 2 times. Your recent addition of Ismail Ahwaz as commander of FSA in Jarabulus offensive is not in source. The source you used doesn't even mention Jarabulus nor that Ismail Ahwaz is the commander of the offensive. In actual it's mentioning Ahwaz being the commander during the battle for al-Rai. I ask you to please revert your edit as it is effectively unsourced. Newsboy39 (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Beshogur (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Next time please don't add something until the source actually says what you're adding, otherwise it will be effectively unsourced. If you want to add an FSA commander for the Jarabulus offensive, I suggest you find a source that explicitily says which person is commanding the FSA in the Jarabulus offensive. Newsboy39 (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Syrian Civil War

Merhabalar kardeşim büyük ihtimal Türksün biliyorum.Bu amk kekolarına göz açtırmayalım. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyline12399 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Be warned on edit-warring!

I've noticed in recent days you are engaged in an aggressive edit-warring and frequent reverting and in some cases distorting of sourced material. Consider this as a warning, as you may be in danger of being blocked (hopefully not). Roboskiye (talk) 17:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey you can't hide the Turkmen nationality in Syria. The name of the village is in Turkmen language, so it has nothing to do with Kurds. Kurd means wolf, not Kurd. Beshogur (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Beshogur, do not call others racist especially without giving satisfactory evidence that clearly shows any sign of racism. Making false allegations against others and calling them racist can get you blocked. Newsboy39 (talk) 18:09, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Jarabulus offensive (2016)

I just wanted to say that I did not add the content you undid and told me about on my talk page. User:Berkaysnklf did add that info. Applodion (talk) 21:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry my fault. Beshogur (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
No problem ;) Applodion (talk) 22:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Battle of al-Hasakah (2016)

Beshogur, as I already stated, it doesn't matter what we think. The sources say it is a Kurdish victory, so it is a Kurdish victory. That is how wikipedia works; all statements have be based of sources. The sources for the Battle of al-Hasakah (2016) clearly state that this was a Kurdish victory, so we HAVE to mention it. I do not want to dispute your opinion on the matter, or if the battle was really a victory. As long as the sources state it, we have to include it, even if we disagree with them - especially if (more or less) neutral sources like SOHR and Reuters say it was a Kurdish victory. So please refrain from undoing the "Kurdish victory". Applodion (talk) 13:57, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Blind reverting

This sort of thing [2] is not conducive to proper editing. There is an ongoing discussion about this content on the article's talk page, and sound reasons have been presented as to why this content is unsuitable, Yet you chose to ignore that, chose to make no contribution to the talk page, chose to not even give an edit summary explanation. If you are not already aware of it, editors on all Armenia related topics can be subject to sanctions beyond that of other articles if their editing behavior falls below acceptable standards. I suggest you revert yourself, and present your arguments on the talk page. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 00:02, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Turkish military offensive in Syria Map

Hello, thanks for updating the map I've created. However, I see you changed the name of 'Khirbat al-Turkmen' to Lilua. This village is referred as either Türkmenköy or Türkmenkubbe in Turkish sources, including Turkish Armed Forces reports. I kindly ask you to use its common name. Thanks in advance. Berkaysnklf (talk) 16:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC) Berkaysnklf (talk) 16:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Öncelikle selam. Wikimapia'dan bakınca Hirbet Türkmen köyünün Sacur barajının sağında değilde, sol altında olduğunu farkettim. Yani Hirbet Türkmen aslında sol altta, Lilua ise tam sağ altında. Eğer hatam varsa kusura bakma fakat o yuvarlağın olduğu yerdeki köyün adı Lilua. Beshogur (talk) 17:00, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Al-Qamishli

Hello, why you reverted my edits on Al-Qamishli article? What is wrong? Serchia (talk) 21:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Qamishlo is not the official name of the city. If you want change anything about al-Qamishli, see the talk page. Beshogur (talk) 10:51, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Who say it is official? I only add the name, the original name. Please do not more undo my edits. Serchia (talk) 11:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Orginal? Do you have any proof that Qamishlo is the orginal name of the city? In fact Qamishli is a Turkish word, not Kurdish. Please see the talk page of Al-Qamishli article, it was been discussed before. Beshogur (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't have problem with Al-Qamishli name, and I don't change it. I only add the name which was used by the majority of the city. But maybe there you have problem with this name, please don't change my edits any more. Serchia (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Qamishlo is already added, but you can't add a unofficial name on the article in bold. Beshogur (talk) 11:22, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean by official when most people say Qamishlo, names cames from the people of the city not another sources. Serchia (talk) 12:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
"What do you mean by official" Arabic is the official language of Syria, not another name allowed here. Qamishlo is added in the article but you can't add it in bold because it's not official. Beshogur (talk) 12:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I told you before, I don't want to remove or change of Al-Qamishli name, and you have to know this is not Syria government, this is Wikipedia, which need the right information and sources. There is not the place which countries can do things by force, and now I will edit the article, please don't revert it. Serchia (talk) 16:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
"this is not Syria government, this is Wikipedia" Are you serious? I can't take you serious sorry. Beshogur (talk) 16:23, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Tell Abyad

Hello Beshogur,

what exactly does the ethnic composition have to do with the ethnic composition of Tell Abyad? Apart from that this is obviously the ethn. comp. for the wrong town, your addition doesn't cite any source and writes Turks instead of Turkmen, which is simply wrong.

Regards, Ermanarich (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Source: http://www.kurdwatch.org/pdf/KurdWatch_A011_en_TallAbyad.pdf
In the newly captured areas around Tall Abyad, only ten percent of the population is Kurdish, and around fifteen percent is Turkmen. Beshogur (talk) 16:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
There was already an intense discussion about this. There are many different numbers from different sources and also, Kurdwatch isn't an authority. Furthermore, you wrote Manbij instead of Tell Abyad. And as you say, it says Turkmen, so you can't simply make Turkmen to Turks.--Ermanarich (talk) 19:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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1rr

There is a one revert rule per 24 hours on all Arab-Israeli articles.[3]

You have repeatedly violated this and are refusing to get consensus at talk pages and instead resorted to edit warring. If you do this one more time I will file an arbitration enforcement complaint. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Golan Heights

Stop icon In your recent edit at Golan Heights, you shall not used de facto = Israel and de jure =Syria. Reason to it is de jure Syria claims it to be Syrian territory but the agreement signed between Israel and Syria established a Purple line, hence western 2/3 of Golan Heights is under Israeli administration and de jure Golan heights is in Israeli territory as per Golan Heights Law, making Golan Heights de jure Israeli and Syrian. Internationally the Purple Line is recognized. Hence de facto and de jure status cannot be used. Currently Administrated by Israel/Syria must be used to define the actual administration of Golan Heights area, which is the de facto status in other words. ה-זפרt@lk 21:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

You have violated 1RR

Beshogur you have reverted my edits twice in an hour that too while disregarding a very reliable source. But the source is not the problem it isyou reverting twice in a day. You know it well that you cannot revert more than once in a day. Ot is against the rules. Please revert your latest revert of mine. Newsboy39 (talk) 11:53, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Violation? You made me laugh. Liveuamap is not a reliable source, everyone knows that. Get some sources and you can revert it back. Beshogur (talk) 11:57, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes violation. You have reverted twice in a single day. The sanctions only allow once. Besides this is not about Liveuamap, but let me inform you, Liveuamap even presents which source it gets its information from including the war observers which even you use as well as other reliable source. And it is regularly updated by the people running it. You have termed it unreliable without any proof. But the main point is 1RR violation. No one is allowed to revert a logged-in user more than once. Instead of being uncivil, please self-revert your violation. Newsboy39 (talk) 12:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, according the reliable liveuamap is SDF near 2km north of Markadah, Peshmerga controlls half of Hawija plain, Peshmerge is some kilometers above Al-Baaij, Tuz Khurmatu is under Peshmerga controll, there isn't PMU of Iraqi forces in Bashir and Taza khurmatu.
Is this reliable? Beshogur (talk) 12:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't doubt it seeing that maps on Wikipedia are regularly not updated. Besides Peshmerga does control Tuz Khurmatu: (http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/peshmerga-forces-foil-isis-attack-near-tuz-khurmatu/) and captured Bashir: (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2016/May-01/350092-iraq-forces-recapture-isis-held-town-officials.ashx). Now as for the PMU, it were actually the Turkmen natives from PMU who assisted thr Peshmerga according to the source. So it won't make sense to show PMU when Peshmerga was the main force who captured it. Your claims about reliablity are answered.
Asides from that, you keep forgetting that this isn't about a source. No matter what reason you have, you cannot violate 1RR. Please revert your violation. Newsboy39 (talk) 12:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
You are again conducting WP:OR based on reports of people fleeing and sectarian tensions. None of the sources you added say the PMU is in sole control. Infact, the source: (http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/peshmerga-forces-foil-isis-attack-near-tuz-khurmatu/) is much more recent (less than 10 days earlier) and says Peshmerga are controlling it as well. I will ask you to revert your edit as it contains pure Original Research. If not, then I will have to later. Newsboy39 (talk) 13:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Please check your sources. Peshmerga didn't repelled IS attack in the city center but in outskirts of the city. Peshmerga has no controll in the city center. [Peshmerga withdrew from Tuz Khurmatu officially and left the city to the local police Same with Bashir. reuters
The Peshmerga are not here to take the village, but to support the Shia Turkmen fighters with heavier weaponry such as artillery. The village is Turkmen, so the job of taking it falls to the Hashd Shaabi. (https://warisboring.com/pissed-off-turkmen-want-their-town-back-89d59db228c8#.q9nljr26j) Beshogur (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Have you evrn read the source? The attack was on the city. There are no outskirts mentioned. Do you even read befofe responding? The Turkmen are the natives of Bashir. The Kurdish fighters usually form a coalition with the natives of the place to capture it (including Yazidis and Christians) and let them govern it. Besides all (https://warisboring.com/pissed-off-turkmen-want-their-town-back-89d59db228c8#.q9nljr26j) said was Turkmen of PMU are involved in capturing it. And actually the source you (http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0XO2EW) and (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/peshmerga-hashd-al-shaabi-officially-withdraw-tuz-khurmartu/)

cited actually said both Peshmerga and Shi'ite PMUs withdrew because of clashes between the two groups. Try reading the source before commenting. The Liveuamap uses the same observer sources you use, and by the way it is regularly updated and gives sources for all its reports of the conflict as I already said. So calling it "unreliable" is nonsensical, it is far more reliable and accurate than Wikipedia's maps. And as per the much more recent source, the Peshmerga is still there.

Now instead of stalling, please revert your violation. As I already told you, this isn't about any source. This is about following rules. You have violated the rules by reverting twice, there is no disputing that. There is no justification AT ALL for violating the 1RR limit. Please follow the rules and revert yourself. You can be banned or blocked for such behavior, the notice in the module clearly says that. Newsboy39 (talk) 17:23, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
No! Because the local police is part of the Iraqi government. The red dot on the template is gov't and gov't allies, so? And about liveua.. Everyone know that liveua is not an reliable source.. and the website is based in Ukraine, not even Middle East. Beshogur (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Wilful violations of rules will only lead to a further strong case for your block. You deserve to be blocked. And Instead of presuming and giving out baseless claims, you should try to read about Liveuamap. Liveuamap is actually based on reports by local citizens and observes of various conflicts, it covers various conflicts, not just Ukraine. Who do you think you are talking about when you say "Everyone know" Liveua is not a reliable source. Irrationally claiming like it is unreliable because it is based in Ukraine won't make it unreliable. Besides here are sources detailing how it began, is sourced from observers as well citizens and its use as a global media resource even by the news media (http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/07/citizen-journalists-are-live-mapping-the-crisis-in-ukraine/375178/), (http://www.uadn.net/2015/01/21/liveuamap-how-an-interactive-mapping-tool-became-a-global-media-resource/). Ever since then, Liveuamap has relied on observers as you can see from its updates. It is ironic that you who even isn't in a conflict derides those who source their information directly from those observing it. Your claims only prove that your edits are based solely on your beliefs and do not follow proper Wikipedia rules. If you do not revert, then I will revert myself. And if you keep violating 1RR and reverting, then that will be blatant edit-warring and disregard for rules. This can get you blocked, I have informed you of what will comr out of your violations. But I'm sure you already know that. I will not allow you to violate the rules and do what you want. Newsboy39 (talk) 18:41, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Please tell me, what do you want from me now? Beshogur (talk) 18:52, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

And your claim that "local police is part of the government" isn't even remotely true to reality. The "local police" are actually militias formed civilians of the village:

With the aforementioned forces withdrawing from the town today, the civilian militias will now govern the city and immediately adhere to an open-ended ceasefire. Al-Masdar News

Both the civilians and even PMU are Peshmerga allies (which is also a government ally) like in areas of other ethnicities.

Clearly you have no idea on hoe to properly edit per rules. As you will not revert your edits ehich blatantly violate rules, I'll do it so myself later on. Newsboy39 (talk) 19:01, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Here's another map as proof for area around Qayyarah being under Iraqi control: (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2016/newsspec_14912/img/2016_iraq_syria_control_976_v4.png?v=1.10.0). This is from IHS Jane's which specialises in these kond of topics and is a highly regarded source about them and is used by news companies. It's a few days old (before capture of Al-Shirqat by Iraq). The map shows an unbroken strip-like area of Iraqi control separating ISIL territory around Mosul in north from territory around Hawija in the southeast. Newsboy39 (talk) 23:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, i fixed it long time ago, stop with posting maps. Beshogur (talk) 10:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Çobanbey

Sorun yok. Yalnız Türkçe adını kullansak daha iyi, burada gördüğüm üzere kürtler özenle en ufak köyün bile kürtçe adını kullanıyorlar. O yüzden mümkün oldukça her yerde Türkçe/Türkmence isimleri ve varlığını ön plana çıkaralım derim. Kolay gelsin. Berkaysnklf (talk) 16:53, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Jawban Bayk (Arabic: جوبان بك; Jūbān Bik, Turkish: Çobanbey) Bunu sayfaya ekleyen benim zaten. :) Beshogur (talk) 19:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Challenge Project

Hi Welcome to WP. Maybe you'll be interested in Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Turkey).(By the way your move on Karboğazı ambush was without a discussion. I would be best if you'd start a discussion.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, I'm I'm interested in. About the Karboğazı ambush; It's actually a ambush not a battle, therefore a discussion is useless. But if you're disagree, I can revert my edit. Sorry if I'm wrong. Beshogur (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Just to mention, ambushes and battles are things that happen in real life. On Wikipedia, disagreements about content happen. Some of these disagreements about content, relate to things that were ambushes or battles. When disagreements about content happen on Wikipedia, it is required to have a discussion. It is still required even if the opposing point of view seems to be untrue. MPS1992 (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Syrian Turkmen

I woke up to find the article changed, which isn't necessarily a bad thing - I would like others to help make it better - however, it looks like another "population" war whereby they continuous misrepresent what the sources say. Please do take a look. Best, O.celebi (talk) 07:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

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Wow you're cool

Your like the coolest guy ever!. Most of the time when I edit somethings g I get kicked from Wikipedia. Glad to know there are cool guys on here like you :D The2016 (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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Stop abusing me. Beshogur (talk) 17:34, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Question

May I ask, why did you do this? Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

I didn't saw your comment sorry, I will revert. Beshogur (talk) 10:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:48, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I don't make an edit war. The guy asked a source, I added over 5 sources about the historical places in Tunceli Province from the official tourism site and he reverted my edit. Beshogur (talk) 19:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Just a question.

I see you are turkish so you must have an incentive to care about turkmen in Kirkuk area. Do you know what the shia/sunni percentage is in the turkmen community? Mozad655 (talk) 16:44, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Sunni about 60% and Shia about 40% . But I think, there Shia's are majority in the Turkmen community. After 2014, uprising of ISIL, most Sunni Turkmens fled to Turkey, Shia's in ISIL regions fled to Turkmen regions, some parts of Kirkuk, Tuz Khurmatu, etc. After 2014, Turkmens created their own defence forces in PMU, even some Sunni. There are 30,000 Turkmen PMU fighters according PMU Turkmen brigade estimates. For example: 16th Turkmen Brigade is created from Tuz Khurmatu people, Brigade 51 of Turkmens in Bashir, Iraq, 92 of displaced Turkmens from Talafar. Turkmens controls some parts of Saladin and Kirkuk governorate, such as: parts of Taza Khurmatu, Bashir, Iraq, Tuz Khurmatu, Daquq, Hawija, etc. So, I think there are now 80% Shia, 20% Sunni. I think that's enough. I have relatives in Iraq, also I'm partly from there, if you have some another questions, ask please.
وحول أعداد المقاتلين التركمان المنضوين تحت لواء الحشد الشعبي في ألوية الحشد التركماني قال: "اللواء 16 واللواء 52 في كركوك أكثر من 7000 ولواء الإمام الحسين (ع) واللواء 92 في تلعفر اكثر من 23 الف مقاتل، أي اكثر من 30 الف مقاتل
Beshogur (talk) 19:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Shahba region discussion

Hi, I noticed your interest in shahba region and other articles, so I hope you can contribute to the discussion here. Cheers. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 03:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Still not fixed

I was trying to fix the Lua error but my attempt did not fix it. Even after your attempt there still seems to be a problem. Now its showing error in line 722. 61.1.58.184 (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Beshogur (talk) 17:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. 61.1.58.184 (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Beshogur, I hope all is well.

I'm currently rewriting the Turkish people article in my sandbox - User:O.celebi/sandbox. Would you please let me know of your thoughts. It would be great if you could help too.

Best, O.celebi (talk) 19:22, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Look really good. Good luck with it. Beshogur (talk) 19:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I initially tried editing the article but was constantly reverted. Discussions on the talk page have not been helpful either. So I'm intending to write up on here first. If you have any suggestions or constructive criticism I would really appreciate it. The current version of the article is very biased and the sources do not correspond to what the contributors have written. It basically seems to be full of original research. O.celebi (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Hi Beshogur,

I wanted to give you some stroopwafels for your contributions on Wikipedia.

Greetings from Amsterdam, Amin (Talk) 20:19, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Beshogur (talk) 09:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Mosul edit

Hi can you please undo your last edit. Its way too early to mark Mosul as contested on this map. Your source is not in english and hence cannot be used on english wikipedia. International media report that gov troops are closing in on Gogjali (which on this map is marked as seperate from Mosul). They have yet to capture it or even fight in Gogjali, yet alone in Mosul itself. I hope you understand. Mozad655 (talk) 14:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Which edit? I didn't anything about Mosul.
Skyline12399 did the edit. Beshogur (talk) 15:53, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Mosul (2016)

These [4] are not reliable sources, they are not even close. Read WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:FACEBOOK, the links you are adding are simply not reliable sources for something like this. Please do not restore them again, you are welcome to talk it to the article talk page if you wish--Jac16888 Talk 21:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Thans for your feedback but I can't find the Amaq's claim therefore I added the claim of ISIS which was shared by Facebook pages. And Amaq is banned. Beshogur (talk) 11:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Then find something else or remove the statement. The pages you are trying to use as sources are simply not valid references--Jac16888 Talk 22:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Azeri spellings

Do not add Azeri spellings with Latin Alphabet to Iranian-related articles. This alphabet is of no use in Iran and it is not officially recognized, these spellings are considered politically motivated, and are useless for readers. -- Kouhi (talk) 13:56, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Irak Haritaları

Merhaba, Suriye'de Şam bölgesinin de haritasını yaptıktan sonra Irak Türkmenleri'ni de göstereceğim haritalar yapma planım var. Fakat şu sıralar çok yoğunum sınavlar ve bazı sanat işleriyle. Ancak bana bölgeyi burdan söylemek yerine, Izady vb. dışında görsel/yazılı güvenilir kaynak bulup göndermen işime yarayabilir. Teşekkürler, kolay gelsin. Berkaysnklf (talk) 6 November 2016, 10:59 (UTC)

BMC Kirpi Operators

Formerly reference info from this YouTube video, so I think it is unnecessary. By the way, added the former myself. 182.130.213.102 (talk) 6 November 2016, 16:22 (UTC)

Erbil

This is 4th time I use talk page to remind you that your edits are violating WP:RULES. You have added FGM details to the article of Erbil city but it has nothing to do with it. It's no a topic which is related to the article. You have violated so many rules in so short time that you will be reported if you continue with the same behavior (disruptive editing, violating 3RR/NPOV, not using the talk page etc.) Ferakp (talk) 22:55, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Qabasin council

Are you sure the Qabasin council who condemned the Qabasin MC is affiliated with the SDF? The Yallasouriya article did not mention anything about the SDF and the statement seems to have came from the LCC Qabasin, not the Qabasin MC as you stated. Based on the statement, the LCC doesn't appear to be pro-SDF since it mentions the PKK, a word that pro-SDF groups almost never use. Is there any other source about this? Editor abcdef (talk) 10:58, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

The local council of Qabasin is SDF-affiliated for sure. The announcement on the page of YallaSouriya is not the announcement of the "Local Council" while it's the statement of newly formed Qabasin Military Council. A 'Local Council' will not call YBG (YPG) as PKK for sure.
This is from 8 11 2016, thus it was formed by Yusuf Sibli. Check the article.
It uses the similar logo as Akhtarin council. Beshogur (talk) 11:04, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Removal of lead and map at Kurdish tribes

Why do you keep removing the lead sentence and map of Kurdish-inhabited areas at Kurdish tribes? Their addition certainly does not seem like vandalism, so please explain how it is malicious and detrimental to Wikipedia.—Laoris (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

You've continued to revert changes that are not clearly vandalism. Your actions could be construed as edit warring, an issue you have been repeatedly warned about. In many cases, your removal of content seems rather overzealous to me, and if you find statements to be overly biased, your cause might be better served by editing them to a more neutral point of view. I suggest you open discussions on the talk pages of each of the articles over which you have content disputes.—Laoris (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2016

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During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  — MusikAnimal talk 23:57, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

AINA

Can you please comment here? Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#AINA_.28Assyrian_International_News_Agency.29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.131.200 (talk) 18:51, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Turkish deaths in Syria

Turkey said 5 [5][6], but so far identified only 4. That they identified only 4 so far does not negate the fact they confirmed 5. EkoGraf (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Turkish army said 3 soldiers were killed due to air attacks while 1 was also killed in hospital, because the soldier was heavy injured. Thus 4. I'm sure that DailySabah's article is wrong. Beshogur (talk) 19:08, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Read sources again please. 3 due to air attack, one injured soldier died in hospital and a 5th soldier died in an ISIL attack. Thus 5. And sources I linked you clearly say 5. If you think DailySabah is wrong does that mean Middle East Eye is wrong as well? It clearly says after the 4 deaths due to the air-strike one soldier died in clashes with ISIL. We have two sources confirming 5 deaths in 48 hours. EkoGraf (talk) 19:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Ok, didn't saw the third. Beshogur (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
No problem. Then please tell it to that other guy. Who thinks the sources are wrong because Turkey has so far only identified 4 of the 5 by name. EkoGraf (talk) 19:17, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

you broke a wikipedia rule

you are not suppose to edit war,every user to limited to one revert per day,so,revert yourself.Alhanuty (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Revert myself? Reverting myself because I added reliable source while others made edits whitout any source or unreliable Twitter reports? Beshogur (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
plus SOHR confirms that these village sare under SDF.[1]Alhanuty (talk) 18:11, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Dear AlAboud83, I can understand you.. But SOHR is pro-Rebel media and it has no evidence, while the news report has a proof. Beshogur (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

SOHR is considered reliableby all side on wikipedia.Alhanuty (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.syriahr.com/2016/11/24/%D9%82%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A8-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%BA%D8%B1%D8%A8-%D9%85%D8%AF/

Al Bab

The Union News at TV report confirmed that SAA advance toward Al Bab and take back some areas not just SDF. linklink Pro-government 'Kafr as Saghir Martyrs' Kurdish militia alongside SAA take back many villages from ISIS.link We must withstand all pro-PKK propagandists and use a true data for the edit. Mehmedsons (talk) 11:41, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand those ignorants. They can't just accept that SAA blocked SDF. Beshogur (talk) 11:43, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
PKK propagandists can't understend that all false claims at twitter or their false edits on map not change the situation at the ground. Mehmedsons (talk) 11:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Therefore, Syrian Civil War Map must be banned as a source from this template. Beshogur (talk) 12:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Even pro-ISIS source and many other sources confirmed, that Regime forces backed by the PKK advance and take Halisah , Sheikh Kif , Jubah and Nayrabiya.linklinklinklink Mehmedsons (talk) 12:31, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
They even revert the edits of Huseyin Bozan, because he said there are clashes between FSA and YPG/PKK in Sabwiran... Beshogur (talk) 12:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
But unfortunately assault at Sab Wiran repelled YPG/PKK.link link Mehmedsons (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
It's an old news report. Mine is from today. Beshogur (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
The pro-PKK guy Coneleir must be blocked as he make and revert much edits without any sources. Mehmedsons (talk) 15:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Nasil sikayet edilir? Beshogur (talk) 16:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
In this section!link He must be blocked! Size iyi şanslar. Mehmedsons (talk) 16:51, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Opp. source confirmation that SDF/YPG and SAA reached the outskirts of Shaalah's Radar Base, 9 km west of ISIS controlled city of Al-Bab.linklinklink But PYD/PKK supporters(Pbfreespace3/Coneleir) still not want accept the fact that the SAA involved in the offensive toward Al Bab. Even visually confirmations for them the proof. Mehmedsons (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Birak 31'ini çeksinler haritaya bakarak. Beshogur (talk) 21:38, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Sen doğru kardeşimsin :) Mehmedsons (talk) 09:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Why you removed SAA/PKK controlled village Al Khashkhāshāt west of Al Bab. Belki tesadüfen? Mehmedsons (talk) 11:51, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Yep, oops. Beshogur (talk) 15:11, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Pro -PKK/YPG source clear told that villages west of Al Bab taken not SAA/SDF. These villages taken the recently formed pro- regime "Syr National Resistance" Mostly local Arabs & Kurds in Sheba'a area. And Syrian National Resistance ('Kafr Saghir Martyrs Brigade') is a predominantly Kurdish group loyal to the Syrian government and is it a part of SAA not SDF. So all villages must be not yellow-red only red.linklink Syrian National Resistance or ('Kafr Saghir Martyrs Brigade') is a predominantly Kurdish group loyal to the central govt.link Mehmedsons (talk) 11:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I said this before several times, no one is listening. Beshogur (talk) 11:38, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
So now we can marked all villages at red color on bases data from Pro-PKK/YPG source. And reliable source Al Masdar also said that 'Kafr Saghir Martyrs Brigade' is a predominantly Kurdish group loyal to the Syrian government and is a part of SAA not SDF. Mehmedsons (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Many sources confirm that is it a Syrian National Resistance ('Kafr Saghir Martyrs Brigade') captures a lot villages west of Al Bab, and they loyal just to the government and not SDF. And these villages cant be marked as mixed control SAA/SDF only SNR. But I think it will cause the anger a pro-PKK propagandists. They are still ignore the real situation at the ground. Mehmedsons (talk) 12:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
We must report them so they can get block, or get a protection template to block this two users. Beshogur (talk) 12:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I reported him. Beshogur (talk) 13:15, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Sonunda yedi engel. Beshogur (talk) 09:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Notice of WP:1RR violation at Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map and others on Edit warring noticeboard

Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Niele~enwiki (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Block of Pbfreespace3

Hello Beshogur,

just wanted to say that I'm seriously disappointed by your report of Pbfreespace3. I know that it was never easy to work together due to our different views, but I respected you, because you were mostly editing very source-based and helped to maintain some balance in the articles.

And now you reported Pbfreespace3, who is definitely one of the most unbiased editors on the Module:Syrian Civil War detailed map because of a little disagreement. And this now led to his completely disproportionate indefinite block.

Seriously, is that what you wanted? The Modules of the Civil Wars in the Middle East are now lacking an important editor who not only helped to maintain balance but also was very informed at almost all frontlines and who was very diligent in doing unpleasing stuff like removing dead-links to small villages to make the map easier to be read. Asking for his block is just tremendously disrespectful.

I thought there could be cooperation, but this act is just unbelievable and inacceptable.

I guess that's it, Ermanarich (talk) 14:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ermanaraich, I warned this user several times. I added video footages, news reports, ... He reverted all my edits without any source. The newly formed Syrian National Resistance is Government-afilliated not SDF. He didn't understood this. His edits aren't problem for my, but in the Syrian Civil War template is. Same as Yemeni Civil War. He reverted an edit becuase "Houthi held" factory in Saudi Arabian territory was "too far" from Yemeni territory. I guess this user is unaware of the situation in the middle east. This is the reason he's blocked. Beshogur (talk) 14:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Wow and now you're even questioning his competence... I can't believe this position.
If you knew more about the Yemeni Civil War module, you'd know that al-Masdar is forbidden as a source for Houthi gains. it's for some reason provenly extremely unreliable in Yemen.
As for the Kafr Saghir Martyrs Brigade, your claim is simply not true (as well as his claim wasn't true, too). The Brigade is completely neutral, it's not part of the government forces and also not part of the SDF: [7]. Therefore it's correct to show the map as jointly-held area.
"His edits aren't problem for my, but in the Syrian Civil War template is."
You follow the edits in the module as well as I do. And you know as well as I that calling him clueless or a problem for the Syrian Civil War template is an enormous lie.--Ermanarich (talk) 14:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm really sick about this templates... The factory in Saudi territory was before sourced, then it was reported by al-Masdar.
AFAIK Kafr Saghir militias had Syrian flags and Hezbollah media in their newly controlled villages. I can prove it. Beshogur (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
To have a Syrian flag in the newly controlled village doesn't mean you're not a neutral force between government forces and SDF. But make just a step back: These two small points of discussion are in no way a reason to call for a block of someone, especially not if he contributed as much to Wikipedia as Pbfreespace3 did.--Ermanarich (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Why did you report Pbfreespace3,seriously he was neutral.Alhanuty (talk) 03:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

December 2016

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Your recent editing history at Kos shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Dr. K. 17:18, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

My edits has been reverted by some IP sockpuppets, please can you check here Beshogur (talk) 18:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
You have no consensus to make these edits. Established editors are reverting you and have explained why on the talkpage. I also agree with them. If you think the IPs are sockpuppets, you should open a WP:SPI and bring your evidence there. Otherwise calling them sockpuppets is a violation of WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. Dr. K. 18:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
This is an other case. User Athenean was right, ok I said nothing. But the IP user is adding irrelevant info. Check here, it has completely full POVs. Beshogur (talk) 18:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Also thanks anyway, I reported those IP users. Beshogur (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
"Irrelevant info"
Wow, that's actually - to put it mildly - disputable. It's like saying that it's irrelevant to mention that Josef Mengele was member of the SS and stationed in Auschwitz concentration camp.--Ermanarich (talk) 19:46, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
So we should add "perpetrators of Armenian genocide" to everyone who did it. So if we mention anything about Saddam in Tikrit, notable people, should we say: "Saddam Hussein, perpetrators of Al-Anfal Campaign". "perpetrators of Armenian genocide" is clearly POV. Beshogur (talk) 20:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, if one of the most notable facts about a person's life is that he was involved in the murdering of millions of people, then why not? Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Murdering? Be civil. His most notable fact is being Turkish minister, not "perpetrators of Armenian genocide". Beshogur (talk) 22:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Are you saying he didn't murder? I don't understand. If he did, that's pretty significant. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Beshogur, on the page Kardzhali you try to delete the fact that Mehmed Talat Pasha was a perpetrator of the Armenian Genocide. Why? A completely analogous case has been discussed recently: [8].2003:77:4F39:4B41:B48E:CD2:911B:3D78 (talk) 20:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Question about wikipedia article

Hi Beshogur. I have seen one user is claiming womens rights and right to non-mutilated body (female genital mutilation) are not related to human rights. Here [9] [10]. I find that strange. Do you know if that correct? If you have time could you comment? thanks! --87.189.136.38 (talk) 20:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, I thought one user has deleted a text and I reverted it. Yes my fault. Didn't read what was written. But about the Human rights. It has nothning to do with the page, while there are dozens of Yazidi genocide pages on Wikipedia. Beshogur (talk) 20:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Erzincan

In response to your statement, "Nothing is mentioned in the history books about the numbers".

Per, A Global Chronology of Conflict, Volume Four, ed. Spencer C. Tucker, (ABC-CLIO, 2010), 1625;"On July 2 Russian general Nikolai Yudenich counterattacks and splits the Turkish Third Army at the communications center of Erzincan, forcing the Turks to retreat. In this fighting the Turks sustain 34,000 casualties, about half of them prisoners." If this reference appears familiar, it can be found here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

It's already done. Beshogur (talk) 13:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of Unesco source

I see that you are insisting on an Old Turkic etymology here and here, in both cases stressing the Unesco source in your edit summaries. The Unesco source, however, does not say that the word "toman" comes from Old Turkic, as you claim in your edits. It says explicitly that it is a "borrowing from the Mongolian word ‘tumen'", which was what both articles said before your edits. I expect you to correct your misrepresentation of the Unesco source. --T*U (talk) 08:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. What is your opinion on this edit [11] by user 2A1ZA? I was wondering: if an edit is offtopic for an section, can it be still be used somewhere else in the article, or not? Thanks for your opinion.--88.128.80.129 (talk) 14:40, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Your edit warring on the article Kurdification

You have been edit warring on that article for some time now without any reason. However, following Hanlon's razor I don't assume bad faith on your side. Please have a look at the talk page. 2003:77:4F17:F587:45A0:3EF0:3F47:8E4F (talk) 21:14, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

You should not revert my edits. PLEASE read the article, and look again at the sentences. Beshogur (talk) 00:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Al Bab front

Tanah also must be red as this village at last monts taken SAA+SDF. And after SDF leave Al Bab front, the village must be red.linklink Mehmedsons (talk) 07:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Your move of Khorasani Turkic language to Khorasani Turkish language

Hello. I have reverted your move since the name of the language family in English, which is what matters here, is Turkic languages. There's also no support for your proposed move on the talk page of the article. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 12:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

semi protection

hello can you help me to semi protect the page turkic dynasties and countries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joohnny braavoo1 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 30 December 2016 (UTC)