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January 2016
If you continue to move pages to bad titles contrary to naming conventions or consensus, as you did at FC Zhetysu, you may be blocked from editing. Per WP:RM, only non-controversial moves need not go through the RM process. With this club I can see no indication that their name needs to change, certainly they seem only to refer to themselves as "Zhetysu" or "PFK Zhetysu" in recent news articles on their own website. To be honest it's really not helpful to simply move articles and not provide a single reference in the article to indicate confirmation for the updated name as it just confuses readers. If you think the article needs to move, please start and RM.Fenix down (talk) 12:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Adana derby, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.
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Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Adana derby. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Contest this speedy deletion, which appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the article's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. reddogsix (talk) 23:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Adana derby, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.
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Bare URLs
Please don't add bare url's as reference to articles like you did with this edit on Red Star F.C., especially when the same reference was already provided further up in the article and could have been easily copied across. Wikipedia:Bare URLs is pretty clear, stating: Most importantly, do not add bare URLs to articles. Calistemon (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, at least Abcmaxx is providing references to reliable sources. Here's a nifty tool guys, just fill in a few blanks, check it out: Makeref Best, Prhartcom (talk) 02:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
If you do it you might as well do it properly, or at least try, especially when the policy is quite clear on it. But thanks for the handy link, I saved it to my userpage for future use. Calistemon (talk) 03:28, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi mate, hope you're well. I just wanted to drop you a line because I've been struck by a few of your recent edit summaries. Things like "AFC kingston impostors" and "AFC wank wank wank". I hate to sound overbearing or whatever, and I'm not trying to silence you or say your point of view is invalid—it's just stuff like this isn't really in line with the Wikipedia pillar of Civility, and I'd strongly advise you to tone it down. When people come on the pages and call MK Dons "Franchise" or whatever, don't rise to it; just revert them and the community will support you. Cheers —Cliftonian(talk)10:23, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
My edits constructive and I fail to see why a higher threshold is applied to me regarding civility than someone who contributes maliciously who bears no punishment at all or sees any consequence of their actions. Free speech, and seeing as I don't get paid for this and is a hobby, I am free to say whatever I feel appropriate. AFC are impostors, and the 2nd edit I was merely quoting a popular yet simple chant Abcmaxx (talk) 21:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I didn't say your edits were not constructive. Judging from your post you would presumably think it acceptable for someone of an opposing viewpoint to use edit summaries like "MK franchise imposters" and "MK Dons wank wank wank", on the basis of free speech and because the latter is, as you put it, a popular yet simple chant. I don't think you actually would find that acceptable, so I don't see how it is holding you to a higher threshold to write to you as I have done. Anyway, do as you wish—I worry about this kind of thing might make other users perceive you, but you are right that this is a hobby you don't get paid for, and it's hardly my place to tell you what to do in any case. I hope you're doing well and thanks for the work you do. Cheers —Cliftonian(talk)23:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
AS Monaco FC flag
Dear Abcmaxx, I agree that seeing a French flag next to Monaco might feel strange or unnatural, however when Monaco qualifies for European football it does so under a French register, therefore it is regarded as a French club and it also earns UEFA coefficient points for France!
As for your examples:
FC Vaduz is a Liechtenstein club who've chosen to play in the Swiss competition, where they cannot qualify for European football via the Swiss league. Instead, they qualify for Europe each year by winning the Liechtenstein Cup!
Wrexham is a Welsh club, which can only qualify for European football with an English licence as they play in the English league. By playing in the English league they are also prohibited from earning a place in Europe via the Welsh Cup, which is why they don't participate in that. In short, Monaco should get a French flag since they are playing in Europe under a French license. Sorry about that, but that's how it is! --Pelotastalk|contribs19:08, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
So why does Wrexham have a Welsh flag then not English? AS Monaco is based in Monaco as a Monegasque club. It is affiliated to the FFF but nowhere does it say it is regarded as a French club that is absolute bollocks and I'm sure many fans would actually take offence to that. Where does it say it is French? The two countries share customs and currency and Monaco have only 1 team - that doesn't make it automatically French, it means they allow the 1 team to join their league. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Tell me where you see it and I'll tell you why. But probably because Wrexham did not qualify via an English competition, for instance if you read the article on Wrexham: "Wrexham are perhaps most notable for ... and a 1–0 victory over FC Porto in 1984 in the European Cup Winners' Cup, Wrexham were eligible for the Cup Winners' Cup due to winning the Welsh Cup. Pelotastalk|contribs18:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
In 1933, Monaco were invited by the French Football Federation to turn professional. So they were invited from Monaco to join the league, they didn't change nationality at that point Abcmaxx (talk) 21:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes and Swansea City play under an English registry, as do Cardiff. yet no-one assigns them the English flag. I think the two line interaction can hardly be called a debate. Also UEFA's website isn't necessarily correct, they have a huge database and it's likely it's just automatically generated from the league they play in Abcmaxx (talk) 22:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to tell you that some of your edits to this article have been problematic.
Firstly, this edit claims "Hungarian fans clashed with stadium security, sparked by the security not allowing a small group of black-clad Hungarian fans join their main group of supporters", but the source given does not appear to say that. Secondly, this edit ascribes a general view of "There has been much tension between the two [Croatia and Turkey] and numerous provocations before the tournament." to a report in The Sun. General consensus at WP:RSN is that The Sun is not a reliable source, but particularly for negative events involving living people.
Because this article involves living people, these edits have had to be redone. I would advise you to look at WP:BLP carefully and make sure any claims, particularly general ones that may generate controversy, are cited to an excellent source - WP:RSN may give you some advice of what is applicable to use. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:22, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Did you actually read any of the other sources? The Guardian article said there was 100 of them and were black clad and tried to join the main group? Same with the "There has been much tension between the two and numerous provocations before the tournament". The two referred to are KoB and Turkey, booing the minutes silence back in November by Turks and an exchange in various banners and threats, all of which were publicised in the French sources I listed? Granted the Sun is a shite source but there was nothing controversial in it? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
It's discussed to death on nearly every stadium, Valley Parade etc. etc. It was renamed because no-one bother to check what the stadium's actual name is. I went on the UEFA website and found it, so I moved it. No-one will ever call it Bet365 Stadium aside from TV presenters and everyone knows it. I suggest you undo the damage before another pointless debate ensues only to find out that I actually did what 99% of the consensus already has been. what next, Pornhub Stadium? AK47forhire.com Stadium? No wonder football culture is dying in England, next they'll be serving popcorn and install kiss cams.
Cheers for undoing everything User:Qed237, you work in marketing or what? just because Arsenal are massive sell out to a bunch of sheiks doesn't mean other clubs want to be in the same boat. Reminds me of Gaylord Entertainment Center, these sponsor names are a joke, Wikipedia is not an advertising board Abcmaxx (talk) 18:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Glad you can read properly, suggest you re-read what I said, unless of course you're too far up your own arse to admit it Abcmaxx (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I have had enough of you now, you dont like the stadium names, we understand that. But there was RM not to move and you have to consider each stadiuym individually. That does not give you right to behave badly and start calling people for different things. Grow up. Qed237(talk)19:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh no a block, who will revert all edits then? Ah an anonymous editor doesn't like me how awful, life in tatters. I suggest if people don't like my responses they should start being less patronising and less aggressive in how they edit, rather then reverting, and then saying I'm all wrong and don't know what I'm doing and the only way I'll ever be right is if I go through a tons of stupid admin tasks, and even then probably reluctant Abcmaxx (talk) 19:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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Can you please tell me what does the fans being right-wing or left-wing, anarchist or pro-lgbt have to do with the actual club itself (which is disbanded for several years now anyway)? And more so, the fans of completely different club? You're welcome to start an article about hooligan fan movement in Belarus and put that stuff there. I can also add that the source article you provided is extremely biased and exaggerating, but that's just my opinion, and I didn't even remove the link this time. -BlameRuiner (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
You for real? Do you understand how football culture and supporters groups work? Have you ever been to a football match? It has EVERYTHING to do with the club, because it's fans is what shapes the culture and perception of the club. Your strange argument is like saying what does Celtic F.C. have to do with Catholicism or Ireland, what so different about FC St.Pauli, why is Brighton & Hove Albion v Crystal Palace F.C. more than just another fixture. Every football page has a supporters section, and the vast majority of the supporters have friendships and rivalries with other teams. What goes with that is particular atmosphere during derby games, and a different one during friendship games/tournaments/events. What does the fans being right-wing or left-wing, anarchist or pro-lgbt have to do with the actual club itself - the club is determined by its fans, as they are the only constant in a football club, so it does have absolutely everything to do with the club. Furthermore the section was about the club's supporters - I described them and provided a reference. Extremely biased and exaggerating - because it's website about post-Soviet football? It's written by journalists and academics, therefore it's reliable, no more biased than a normal national UK newspaper. Also you're confusing organised support with hooliganism. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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Have you read what the source said? Do you know what vandalism is? Or you're too far up on your high horse to assume good faith Abcmaxx (talk) 10:26, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't know why you don't get it, though I might speculate...the reference you are trying to use does NOT state what you have written. You therefore need to either a) stop editing or b) find a reference that does support you. I strngly suggest you make your case on the article talk page (as you should have done days ago per WP:BRD). GiantSnowman08:20, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
@Giant Yes it does. They were playing FC Halifax. Halifax AFC does not exist anymore. By logical process (which you seem to completely lack) they cannot refer to Halifax AFC as that is a defunct derby because the club no longer exists. They are two separate clubs hence they have two separate articles. I don't really know what your problem is other than just being difficult for the sake of doing so. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:43, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
but it is my issue? or only your issues count now? it doesn't mention anything about Halifax AFC so I removed it from the sentence relating to the source, Pretty simple, even you can probably understand that. From that I was made to understand they probably did have a rivalry with Halifax AFC but they do not anymore as it doesn't exist anymore. Really not difficult. Also branding about vandalism tag is highly unfair and you're not the Wikipedia police, nor any form of higher rank than I, so I suggest you pack it in a bit anytime someone disagrees with you. You're making a simple unpaid hobby very arduous and unpleasant. Next time on you're on my talk page I suggest you come across less boorish and more civilised Abcmaxx (talk) 13:05, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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@talk one rule for me, one for others though? How come no-one assumes good faith when I edit? Or you guys just like being irrational by posting stupid messages like this? Abcmaxx (talk) 20:28, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
I've started an ANI discussion regarding your behavior toward me and other editors. Feel free to participate, but please remain WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF there. Not doing so, especially at ANI, is likely to get you blocked. The link to the discussion is in #Notice. -- Gestrid (talk) 21:04, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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