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Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. Happy editing! P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC) Thank you for all. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 15:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC) August 2020Hello, I'm P,TO 19104. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Pelé, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 17:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC) So I will put them again and be sure that NOBODY CAN FIND anything more reliable. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 17:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Recent edit reversionIn this edit here, I reverted some information that appears to be a violation of our copyright policy. I provided a brief summary of the problem in the edit summary, which should be visible just below my name. You can also click on the "view history" tab in the article to see the recent history of the article. This should be an edit with my name, and a parenthetical comment explaining why your edit was reverted. If that information is not sufficient to explain the situation, please ask.S Philbrick(Talk) 12:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC) September 2020Hello, I'm Drat8sub. Your recent edit(s) to the page List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals appear to have added incorrect information, so they have been removed for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 13:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC) I don't experiment. Check the already reference from RSSSF. IMRE SCHLOSSER HAS 59 international appearances and 68 games. You have the source. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 13:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC) Correction : 59 goals. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 13:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
And I don't experiment. I can easily show you the proofs that make this list even more complicated... Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 14:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
It's easy for those who are interest to find the correct number of Schlosser's international stats. The note said about contraversial information for one game. But since you are a RSSSF member (as I read) you could know more. In any case I'm not intreasted any more for this (not that important, it's a step forward for en.wikipedia with the mistake of Nielsen) as the I have already written this list has more serious contradiction (lost in the past). Thank you. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 14:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm involved in football statistics for three decades and the If wikipedia policies are not allowed the truth to be written it's a huge mistake of wikipedia. For Mokhtar Dahari check out the similar list of el.wikipedia which I created and you can possibly find the answers (if you understand what I wrote). Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I have send you a "message" in your talk page. If you understand what I wrote I can involve you in football statistics. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 21:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC) Please don't make personal attacks. Make your case on the article talk page and don't be so arrogant. – PeeJay 00:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I don't attack you personally as I don't know you. My targets are the those who want to reduce Pelé's original career, those who want to eliminate football history and the media who support them. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
???????? Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 14:25, 7 March 2021 (UTC) Knowledge and opinionsHello, Γεώργιος. I see that in this edit you explained that you "absolutely know" about the subject on which you have written, and that you are not interested in other editors' "opinions". The problem there is that other editors may not realise that you know the truth, while they merely have opinions. They may think that they know the truth, or they may think that both you and they merely have opinions, and that there is room for discussion as to how to resolve differences of opinions, or failing that to reach a compromise. My experience over the years is that editors who take the line that they know, whereas others merely have opinions, don't get very far in getting their preferred versions accepted. Unfortunately, even if those editors are 100% right in believing that they have a higher level of knowledge and understanding than anyone else involved, the fact that there is no way for them to persuade the inferior people, who don't understand that, means that they are perceived, rightly or wrongly, as just being arrogant and uncompromising, and unable or unwilling to collaborate in a collaborative project. You are, in fact, more likely to get at least part of what you know is right accepted if you act as though you respect other editors' opinions, even if you don't, and if you address them civilly, even if you think they don't deserve it. If you continue in the way you have been going (of which the edit I linked to above is just one example) not only will you antagonise other editors so that you will be unlikely to succeed in persuading them to accept you views, but also, sooner or later, you will be blocked from editing by an administrator. That is because, rightly or wrongly, aggressively opposing editors with whom you disagree and summarily dismissing their views as inherently inferior to your own is seen as arrogant, uncooperative, and disruptive. As I hope I have made clear, I am not trying to persuade you that the prevailing view on how to deal with disagreements among editors is the correct one (I doubt that I could persuade you of that even if I did try) but I am trying to persuade you that since it is the prevailing view, it is necessary to accept it and act in accordance with it if you wish to achieve any of what you believe should be done. JBW (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC) First of all, I have to thank you for the time you spent writing to me and secondly for those you have written. They were really useful as they "touch" the problem. I will think again the way I should act in these situations. I can accept that the changes I did in the article of Pele were "severe" for the average knowledge of football fans or users. Thank you. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 13:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Re: SO DO YOULOL, really? I'm not the one making quite significant changes to one of the most important football articles on Wikipedia without any hint of discussion... – PeeJay 21:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC) July 2021Hello, I'm ItsKesha. I noticed that you recently removed content from List of footballers with 500 or more goals without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC) I'm not interested any more for this MANIPULATED LIST. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 08:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
RELIABLE SOURCES ARE RSSSF AND IFFHS. ONE LIST EACH NOT MIXTED STATS. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 10:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC) RELIABLE SOURCESHow many goals Bican scored? - RSSSF : 948 - IFFHS : 720 - FIFA : 805 = MARCA : 760 - SOME OTHERS :757, 762 (non statistical sources)
-At the highest level (UNOFFICIAL STAT, NOT RECOGNISED BY FIFA) : 720 -For those who are interested about which is the most official : FIFA : 805 NO OTHER STATS SHOULD BE INCLUDED EVEN IN THE INTRODUCTION OF THE LIST AS THEY MAKE MORE CONFUSUON. ***CHECK CAREFULLY THE LIST OF EL.WIKIPEDIA. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 10:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
BBC, Marca, Corriero delo Sport, L'Équipe etc. are not statistical sources. The list is only statistics. Non of them deserve any mention in an encyclopaedia list of statistics. These kind of "opinions" can be put only in the respective footballers articles. As it is written know seems that e.g. Bican scored 720 goals in an UNOFFICIAL list and he is the 6th scorer of all times! But officially he is first (FIFA). How someone will understand that difference? Also, CR7 seems to be first, but FIFA hasn't recognised any career tally of him and according to RSSSF he is fourth. The previous mentioned non-statistical sources are commercial products. Wikipedia (if wants to be encyclopaedia) has to make clear what someone should consider "correct" and what not "correct for sure". L'équipe informed as that Bican has scored 805 goals according to the previous RSSSF stats and not the updated although the article was published after the RSSSF announced the new version. Is L'Équipe article reliable? NO!!! That's why I didn’t put this article in Josef Bican's biography in el.wikipedia (80 references) nor the en. wikipedia where references were needed. Usually, I know the truth before writing something as a result of my experience. I'm not informed e.g. for Diego Maradona from World Soccer. I've seen all his career since 1979. If e.g. FourFourTwo writes something which is not true, this article won't be put as a reference in el.wikipedia. FINALLY concerning stats, I have extensive knowledge, not appropriate for an encyclopaedia but for books. P. S. And answer to a non-question, Josef Bican has scored more than 948 goals. Don't be surprised..... Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 13:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I was clear : two lists with RSSSF first (all official goals). Concerning FIFA, it is the highest authority of the sport. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
An official goal is one that the game is scored is included in the calendar annual programme of the respective country of the game. Reference can be found in FIFA. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 17:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Czech FA is responsible only for the games in Czechoslovakia. We are not sure about the years of Protectorate (belonged to Germany) and the Czech FA can't state anything about Bican's career. The Austrian FA is not mentioned in the announcement of 821 goals (and didn’t announce something afterwards-so the announced number is semi-official) and more of this the goals in Mitropa Cup are obviously wrong (16 in 4 games instead of 15 in 15 games-all sources except the Czech FA agree on this). Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 17:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Maybe it's a typical error. For the other question who does exactly knows Bican's goals, perhaps nobody and that's why statistians (RSSSF and IFFHS) know better than L'Équipe, Marca, FourFourTwo etc. and and that's why both full lists should be there. More of this, RSSSF says that Bican has +948 goals (and they are in my opinion). ALL THE REFERENCES FROM THOSE NEWSPAPERS, WEBSITES, JOURNALS, SHOULD BE REMOVED. THEY DON'T PROOVE ANYTHING AND ELIMINTATE THE QUALITY AS NUMBERS ARE... NUMBERS. I told you to check el.wikipedia list as I take care of it the last one and a half year. Only information from FIFA are there as the official highest authority of the sport. ANOTHER POINT : Do you know why IFFHS list can't be regarded fully correct? Where is Erwin Helmchen? According to strict IFFHS criteria at least 608 goals are at the highest level. IFFHS has announced the list before the detailed stats of Helmchen from RSSSF (mid March). Maybe we will see Helmchen in a (possible) next announcement of IFFHS (this was the first from them, nobody can be sure for a next one and this will be a proof were IFFHS takes information from -personally I know). RSSSF will certainly publish an updated list. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
As I have already told you, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THIS LIST and all these articles ARE ALREDY WRITTEN BY ME AND MY OPINION IS ALSO WRITTEN AND DOESN'T CHANGE. DON'T FORGET THAT ONE GOAL IS ALWAYS ONE GOAL, EVEN IN THE WORLD CUP OR IN THE FORTH DIVISION. This is a FIFA rule and THAT'S WHY THE STATS OF IFFHS WILL BE NEVER RECOGNISED BY FIFA. AND I KNOW WHERE THE TRUTH IS, FAR AWAY FROM THE "PLACES" YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.... DON'T DISTURB ME AGAIN! Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm interested for correct articles. The list now is a bullshit. In order to be correct, AGAIN: - First the list of RSSSF (FIFA recognised the 805 goals of Bican according to RSSSF) - Second the list of IFFHS (goals at the highest level, this "type" of goals is against the FIFA principles). Third, delete references from media who have nothing to do with the statistics. THE ONLY THAT YOU CAN KEEP IS THE ARTICLE OF JONATHAN WILSON (SI). Two answers: The first reference of el. wikipedia you mentioned in the article of Josef Bican is since 2016 and the is used for other purposes, not for statistics. The second one is not found. I explained to you what is reliable : The article of JONATHAN WILSON about Josef Bican is reliable. The article "The 50 Greatest Footballers of All Time", also in SI is not reliable (don't ask me why, I won't answer). Nobody's perfect. Mistakes can be found in the RSSSF list, in IFFHS list, L'Équipe, FourFourTwo, everywere. I know that the truth and when I realise it, I'm trying to eliminate the result. AN OBVIOUS MISTAKE IS THE WAY THE LIST IS NOW. If it comes to the proper way, it will be different. NO OTHER WAY. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 22:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Jonathan Wilson is a football expert, not a statistician. There's truth (it can't be no truth, we are taking about numbers, but as time passes we are getting closer. Statisticians say that "there is not stats that can't be improved". And I know that they are right. IFFHS claimed 470 goals for Pele in Campeonato Paulista for 27 years (1994-2021). Now they approached RSSSF (467) and they recognised 468. There is no appoitment that we are going to lose concerning Bican goals. Maybe in 2027 for example we will learn. The way Wilson wrote his article is not from a statistical point of view. In any way the greatest goalscorer is not the one with the most goals (and Jonathan Wilson knows it). But the list has to have numbers. AND THEY HAVE TO BE STATISTICALLY CORRECT. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 00:11, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Have a nice day. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 11:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC) Josef BicanPlease keep the discussion in one place and see WP:CONSENSUS. GiantSnowman 21:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC) It will look funny but I lost where the discussion was. I'm writing in three wikipedias the same time.... Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 21:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC) And I was clear about the discussion page: I lost where is it. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 16:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
I have been alread told you that reserve football was senior football at the time. DON TELL ME WHAT TO DO. THE I DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT. YOU ARE TOO YOUNG FOR THAT. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2021 (UTC) July 2021You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for too much trolling, such as here. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} . Bishonen | tålk 14:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)I'm not interested in writing in en.wikipedia. I have made a lot useful contributions and you don't deserve more. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC) August 2021Hello, I'm ItsKesha. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to List of footballers with 500 or more goals have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 12:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at List of footballers with 500 or more goals. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
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