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I looked for an alternative and can't find any, so unless Hipersons can suggest another non cpy vio image it should just be removed for now and use the default until one can be sourced. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi John of Reading. Agreed. If you can find a better one, please pop it in there. I found a better one in the Commons but I thought the large realistic male organ might offend some people and it might be construed as sexism . I wonder if the fish or frog on the anatomy page would render better? Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}07:32, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
In future Checkingfax, could you be a little more specific in your requests. As an editor unfamiliar with the template(s) and modules involved, this took some hunting on my part. I think it fair to assume that not every editor knows every subject like the back of their hand. fredgandt04:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Fred_Gandt. Thank you for your effort to perform my edit request. I really appreciate it.
I try not to clutter my requests as I do not want any comments to be taken as part of the edit request.
I apologize for making you work extra hard to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Next time I will put the request in a better change-X to-Y format.
I was simply unfamiliar with where the change needed to be made, and so had to go hunting. Sure, if an editor already knows the structure, it's obvious, but if they don't it requires a massive amount of effort
@Checkingfax: - it occurred to me that the target page might be correctly linked in the request template, so I came to check if it was - and it was (thanks) - so that's my bad (oops). However though, I do still stand by my preference as a responder that it's not assumed that I instinctively know what the requester wants me to do with the dumped code. fredgandt00:15, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Can someone please add this image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boingball.png as the icon for the Amiga Portal? Thanks in advance. H.dryad (talk) 19:47, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi File:Alien logo.svg was deleted from commons 08:38, 1 May 2016 - I can't find any suitable replacement on Portal:Alien or the linked articles so it should probably just be removed for now until someone can find a suitable copyright free one. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Changing the layout table to a navigation region and list should be unnoticeable to most sighted users. Screen readers will navigate the template as a region/landmark/list instead of a table. Screen readers will also have more descriptive announcements for the beginning and end. Instead of (JAWS example) "Table with two columns and N rows, ..., table end", it will announce "Portals navigation region, list of N items, ..., list end, portals navigation region end". I'm not a fan of display:table, but in this case it worked like a charm, and I had trouble getting good results any other way. Works in IE8, IE7 falls back to a plain list with each icon and link pair side by side.
The images in this template are decorative images. They convey information, but that information is repeated by adjacent text (the text link). For that reason, I propose minimizing the alt attributes on these images.
Public domain, CC0, CC-SA, {{copyrighted free use}}, and WTFPL images
Attribution is not required. Suppress the link to the image, and provide null alt text.
All other images, mostly CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, GFDL, {{attribution}}
Attribution is required. Retain link, but reduce alt text to "icon", or a minimal description like "ball". The word "portal" in "portal icon" repeats adjacent text.
@Matt Fitzpatrick: I happened to see this above when the request below lighted up. If you're requesting an edit, use {{Edit template-protected|answered=no}} for more visibility. As for implementing this, perhaps you can submit a request for some visibility, and if there are no further comments, we can sync it. — Andy W.(talk ·ctb)01:49, 4 July 2016 (UTC)01:57, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
@Andy M. Wang: Thanks, I'm just being super cautious. I'll put up an edit request once I get that giant portal image table done, and double-check the licenses (and make it easy for everyone else to check them too). Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 02:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
These are used on a lot of pages, so I combined the list changes from the other talk page section, with the reduced alt text changes. Template:Portal-inline is the only fully protected page on this list, the rest are template-editor protected.
The current "image" (logo) of the Portal:2010s is the following: File:Samsung Galaxy S5 Vector.svg. This image shows up in various of the English Wikipedia's pages, such as listed under the "file usage" of that image. For example, it shows up on pages of globally-known football events, by which many phone producers would be loved to link (or advertise) with. At the same time, it also shows at the page about terrorists rampages such as 2016 attack in Nice, under "See also": this 'branding' (even if not initiated by the company which produces those phones) may seem inappropriate to some people reading about shocking events. On the other hand, phone producers might not want to be associated with such terrorist events. Further more, the image had been an icon of a phone of a competitor (Apple) before (see [Image edit request (13 March 2014)]. This can hint at a market war going on (even if only hypothetically). I propose that a new icon should be created and/or chosen which doesn't directly relate to a brand or a commercial product. Anybody up for the challenge?
(Verheyen Vincent (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2016 (UTC))
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Not done for now: That image does not seem like a very good image for a portal, given that the vast majority of portal uses are small boxes. Izno (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Linguistics portal image
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(edit conflict) @Andy M. Wang: While I don't believe prior approval is required from WikiProject Linguistics – the WikiProject does not "own" the portal and see no reason why WP:BRD could not be applied here – I can certainly place a notice on the WikiProject talk page. Graham (talk) 01:04, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
@Graham11: The portal template is highly visible and highly-transcluded, so many changes to such a heavy page is generally not encouraged, and I think WP:BRD cannot reasonably apply here to this template. (sure, there's WP:PERF, but it's best if the change is reasonably unopposed.) Can you re-open this request in half a week or so after your posted notice? Hope that's sensible, thanks. — Andy W.(talk ·ctb)01:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
@Andy M. Wang: Yeah, I was thinking that performance could be the only other objection, and WP:PERF is pretty well established, hence why I thought your request to be a bit odd. And WP:HRT (which you cited) is pretty clear about the rationale for the protection of high-risk templates and it definitely isn't done to encourage broad consultation with WikiProjects. But nonetheless, I've placed the requested notice. Graham (talk) 01:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
@Graham11: I really don't mean to come off as pushing back here, but it's worth a discussion. Another editor could have rapidly closed this as "Not done" and not having consensus without offering a suggestion. I thought the WikiProject could bring more visibility. The current image of the portal has been in place since at least 2013, and I couldn't look back further because of a deleted page. Note: the submodule has 280000+ transclusions (template has 6 million+) means that there will be server strain every time it's updated. There are some folks who object to quick reversions of templates with only a thousand transclusions. It's best if we can make one change that is reasonably unopposed rather than two or three. I sincerely hope this has been reasonable to you. — Andy W.(talk ·ctb)02:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
@Σ: I mean, that sounds okay as long as folks who have stake in the portal are reasonably aware of the image change in any case, I'd say. — Andy W.(talk ·ctb)16:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Between the globe of letters and the parse tree, I'd go with the globe of letters. But before we go any further, I'll draw a wug and see what the editors at Commons have to say about it. →Σσς. (Sigma)01:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
@Σ: Having not heard back, would I be correct in assuming that there is no objection to the globe of letters (as a possibly interim measure)? Graham (talk) 17:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
@Metrónomo: How about creating a cropped version of Tiburón.jpg? Greyreefsharksmall2.jpg has some of the tail chopped off so that the remaining body is wider. When Tiburón.jpg is displayed at this small size, it is hard to see that the thin line of white pixels forms a shark. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello! Can you please change Flag of Kosovo.svg with Kosovo_stub.svg in Kosovo, as per agreement. Entire template cluster use this neutral green outline instead of flag, while flag can be used with proper template anyway. Also, it was like that for years until someone change it without agreement few months ago. --Axiomus (talk) 12:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Additional information needed: I would like to read more about the agreement you mention. Please link to that for me if you would be so kind? Paineu/c16:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
To editors Andy W. and Axiomus: So at this point it really could be either image that involved editors want, and having searched for a discussion without finding one, the answer must be:
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. (or show where a consensus has already been garnered)
Well, first of all, we should restore version that was there before someone asked to change it. We actually needed consensus to change that, and not to restore it now, so please, lets do that. I have found this consensus where several editors agreed to use this as neutral and proper solution. I dont see any consensus to change that with a flag that may be disputed. So, please, restore established version that was here for years without any disruptions. pinging Andy M. Wang and Paine Ellsworth --Axiomus (talk) 11:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I see your point, and you are indeed correct. The way consensus works on Wikipedia is a little different from the way it works other places. Sometimes just one editor who makes an edit is considered a consensus as long as the edit goes unchallenged. We appear to have a clear case here of an editor who, through the edit request system, made an edit to a long-standing image and consensus. Since over time, consensus does change, we had to at first agree to 1) make the edit, and 2) uphold the new consensus; however, since the edit is challenged, then we must proceed with Wikipedia's definition of consensus and what to do in such cases as this. What should happen is that the image you have suggested should be restored as the status quo image installed by previous consensus, and then the editor who requested the change of image in July will be expected to either garner a consensus for that change, or to let it go. Thank you for your persistence, Axiomus! and your edit request will be:
I request the addition of File:County Flag of Merseyside.svg for {{Portal|Merseyside}}, demonstrated to the right, which has no image as of this post. The following code may be added in alphabetical order to Module:Portal/images/m:
["merseyside"] = "County Flag of Merseyside.svg|border|link=|alt=",
"alt=" is okay on an unlinked decorative image. On a linked image, though, this creates an empty link that may not make sense to visually impaired users. It should have some kind of alt text, such as "alt=icon". Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 21:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Ahh... makes sense, thanks. The module has 460K transclusions. Perhaps we can queue the change in its sandbox... but I wouldn't object to updating directly for the sake of accessibility — Andy W. (talk) 22:12, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi, please replace
["gender studies"] = "SexEquality.png|link=|alt=",
to
["gender studies"] = "Gender symbols side by side.svg|link=|alt=",
which is higher quality, thank you Tal (Ronaldinho The king) 22:05, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
There was some extended discussion last year between SiBr4 and Mr. Stradivarius about fixing the function which retrieves the image name of portal. Ultimately this didn't lead anywhere and we still have the same bug. Could SiBr4's proposed fix be implemented please? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:57, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
@Mr. Stradivarius: The fix proposed in the archived discussion is thorough but would be a lot of work to implement. Wouldn't it be simpler to keep the data structures as they are, and for the image function to chop the image name at the first pipe character? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
@MSGJ and John of Reading: I've implemented a quick hack to trim everything after the first pipe from the p._image function. This is an ugly fix, though, and I should really come back through and rewrite the whole module in a cleaner style. I was a lot less experienced when I first wrote it, and it shows. The subsequent incremental alterations haven't done it any favours either. But for now, it will do, I suppose. — Mr. Stradivarius♪ talk ♪15:03, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Disabling the editprotected request for now, pending some consensus discussion. I have two observations: There's a major color shift, toward garish, so it might be better to produce a derivative version of the second image that uses something closer to the darker, less neon color of the first. Secondly, a vertically reversed brush stroke (on the right) is simulated in the second image; I would think native speakers of Indo-Aryan languages that use this writing system should have some input as to how this character is normally written (I'm a linguist and anthropologist by training, and skeptical that there's a universal "rule" for that, but one way may be much more common and recognisable). The three images provided seem to indicate a downward not upward stroke, but none of them are reliable sources. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 06:26, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish: You spotted the reason this caught my attention... downward or upward stroke. Downward, it should be. See Fowler.[1] She has a whole chapter 8 devoted to Hinduism symbols, and she covers Om with a drawing. Downward it is in her book. Clockwise does have significance in old Hindu Sanskrit text, in symbols and in Hindu temples. You are right though about 'universal rule'. In this era of easy copy-paste, with or without creative commons, we can find websites etc using one or the other. But, indeed, WP:RS is where we should look. Fowler should be easy to verify, because google books displays the Om image drawing on page 61 (if not, I will be happy to photocopy and email you part of that page under fair use). Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure others will make use of them, especially if you upload them to Commons. I imagine this version would be popular, for its nicer shape, if available in a range of hues. Anyway, for whoever getd around to updating the image in the Portal template module (assuming there are no objections), it is line ["hinduism"] = "Om.svg|link=|alt=", in Module:Portal/images/h. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 17:56, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish: Uploaded a range of hues and colors to Commons. Among them are four named red hex colors: File:Aum Om red dark.svg (); File:Aum Om red pure.svg (); File:Aum Om red.svg (); File:Aum Om tomato.svg (). Which hue would you prefer? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
File:Aum Om red.svg seems to be close to the original (i.e., is the most minimal change), and is not so dark that darker monitor profiles with make it seem purplish or brown, nor washed out or garish on lighter ones (just tested), so it seems like a good bet. — SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 09:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
WikiProject Internet (which I am sure is responsible for much of the maintenance of the portal) has this image now. Presumably this is part of the generally positive trend of WP and Commons increasingly using vector/semantic images in place of raster ones. I expect the image to continue to be improved by tweaking to better match the Crystal Clear authors' ideal conceptualisation.
Hello, I would like to put this image please (Ichthys.svg) . This is this image in French and Spanish portals. Thank you very much. --ServB1 (talk) 03:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Can someone please change the image in the Biotechnology Portal box from its current image to File:TRNA-Phe yeast 1ehz.png? This is because the current image has been superseded by the image file that I am proposing. Thank you. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I'm new to Portals and have created two, but am unable to figure out how to assign an icon/image for portal links. Could anyone instruct me how to do this? --Drown Soda (talk) 21:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Izno (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I would still chose the stylised eye as I do not think that the camera is a good representation of mass internet surveillance. Any other opinion is welcome. Theresa Todler (talk) 07:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC).
Hello. There may be layout issues using this template when placed in its recommended See also section and the References section immediately follows. It may need an implicit {{clear}} or equivalent. An example is at the Anna Nicole Smith article. I have posted a message about it at the article's talk page here when my explicit {{clear}} addition was reverted. When the width resolution is about 1024 or less, the box interferes with the references layout below. 1024 is a very common and convenient resolution for reading, versus a full-width window, a resolution that is also mentioned in the Manual of Style (although in the section about images, WP:LAYIM). Although wider monitors are common, reading paragraphs extending horizontally forever is inconvenient; narrower windows also allow to work using multiple documents at a time, each in its own window/column. In this example article, the references start being able to display properly when at a resolution width of about 1236 and over. It is unclear to me yet if it would be best to modify {{reflist}} instead, but so far when I notice this a portal template is involved. Thanks, — PaleoNeonate — 01:18, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I asking to update code on Line 58 of the code.
change ["mandatory palestine"] = "Palestine-Mandate-Ensign-1927-1948.svg|border|link=|alt=",
to ["mandatory palestine"] = "Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|border|link=|alt=",.
According to the discussion the correct Flag of Mandatory Palestine is the Union flag.
Please update the Module. Sokuya (talk) 23:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Dear coummity. How do I ad a symbol to the masculism portal so it shows up when using portalbar? I would like to use this image: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rævhuld (talk • contribs) 22:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Dear Hmlarson, the current logo is nearly impossible to see. The logo I proposed is easer to see. I don't claim it's the best ever, but it's a major improvement. --NaBUru38 (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Could someone please set "Flag of Lorraine.svg" as the Lorraine portal's image? Just add the following line : ["lorraine"] = "Flag of Lorraine.svg|border|link=|alt=",
Partly done This image isn't marked "public domain", so I've used the other syntax |alt=icon, so that a click on the image takes you to the image license. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
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