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Template talk:Countries of Africa
Dependent territories / special territoriesThere's currently a discussion at template talk:East Asia over whether the official name of territory, namely special administrative region, and which sovereign State the territories listed belong to, have to be specified in the {{East Asia}} template. Please feel free to join the discussion and express your opinion. — Instantnood 11:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC) Azores, Madeira, CanariesShould they be included? Most of the atlases I read seem to include them as part of Africa. --Chanheigeorge 08:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Template updateI have sorted countries by region and added thumbnail maps to match the Africa Template in the French language Wikipedia. I hope that nobody minds; it just always seemed a bit cluttered to have them all sorted alphabetically in one big box. ergot 16:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC) ===>I don't mind As I did virtually the same thing myself. It will probably get reverted as mine did, too. -Justin (koavf), talk 16:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC) Why not? I support this too: apropos, I tweaked the template to bring the country classifications inline with the subregional scheme used by the UN (which is as neutral as we're going get and in a quest of sorts to nix subjectivity from geographical articles). This is also reflected in their respective articles and the continental table below. I'll also tweak the article additionally to reflect this. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 17:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Nomenclature: Congo Region and Middle AfricaToday I created the article Congo (region) mainly because I felt that it was missing from Template:Regions of the world. Only afterwards did I discover that Congo already exists, but that this article seems to restrict itself to dealing solely with the two Congos, and not the wider, vaguer subregion. What is the preferred option now: should Congo me merged with Congo (region) and redirect to Congo (disambiguation) instead? Please have your say here. Thanks. And a related issue: I would argue that the UN designation Middle Africa - which currently redirects to Central Africa - is the least ambiguous name for the region, as listed at Template:Africa, just like Southern Africa is used to effectively disambiguate from South Africa. Please respond here. Thanks! // Big Adamsky • BA's talk page 10:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC) Surprising inconsistencyWhere are islands: Tromelin, Glorioso, Basas da India, Europa? If those uninhabited islands are not to be mentioned, then remove silly Places of sovereignity, and BIOT as well. --24.43.253.97 03:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
French Southern TerritoriesI see British Indian Ocean Territory and not French Southern Territories? I added that teritory into a template :) --Goran.Smith2 06:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
ImagesI have removed the continental images as they occupied too much space in the template, if they are to be reintroduced, please make it more like Template:Oceania. --Cat out 13:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
UN subregions and other territoriesI propose and recomend creating a seperate template for those. {{Europe}}, {{Asia}} and other continental templates dont use them and I do not see why they should be used here. A seperate tempate for african teritories may be used. --Cat out 12:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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Related discussionCf here for a discussion pertaining to this template. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 12:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Standardization suggestion - please contribute!A suggestion for a standard approach to the naming, titling and sections of this and similar templates has been made here – please visit and share your thoughts! Thanks, David Kernow (talk) 03:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC) Retrofit topic-year headers02-April-2008: I have grouped older topics above using headers "Topics from 2005" (etc.) to emphasize age of topics. Older topics might still apply, but using the tactic of yearly headers to note the age helps avoid rehashing old news, without archiving any ongoing issues. Also, new topics are more likely to be added at the bottom, not top. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Split Dependencies/Unrecognized02-April-2008: It took a while to understand the "|" formerly between countries at the bottom, so I have split the unusual double list of "Dependencies| Unrecognized" into 2 separate groups similar to the region-groups, but with shading at left rather than left-side maps. After seeing that double list the first time, it took a while to notice there were 2 sets of country names, in alphabetic order, with a vertical bar "|" dividing the double list wrapped across 3 centered lines. At least I hope that's how the list was divided! I suspect whoever had developed the double list had overlooked the potential of splitting the list into 2 rows using colspan=2 to omit Africa maps at those 2 rows. Table formatting tends to be very complex, and many people still think they have to use quotes on table parameter values (such as: colspan="2"), but years ago I found those quote marks around "2" could be omitted (as: colspan=2). Anyway, let me know if there are problems with the double list as split into 2 groups for Dependencies and Unrecognized. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Disputed states in SomaliaRight now we have two Somali states listed under the Disputed section: Somaliland and Puntland. However, there is currently a third: Galmudug. Because the situation on the ground is so dynamic, I'm replacing these with the States and regions of Somalia article so we don't have to keep changing the template. (The other choice would be to list all three.) If there are other ideas here, just let me know.RevelationDirect (talk) 09:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Disputed states in SomaliaAll right, I'm starting this section a day early. Two areas of Africa present a challenge with this list: Western Sahara (widely recognized as a country but nearly completely occupied by Morrocco) and Somalia (widely recognized as a single country but lacking any central government with multiple de facto regional governments). Western Sahara is listed twice, once as a recognized government and once as a disputed government and also footnoted. This is probably not ideal. The former British Somaliland has a de facto government and multiple regional players are vying for control of the former Italian Somaliland, leaving both a disputed number of countries (1 vs 2) and multiple disputed governments. I don't think simply listing Somalia is meaningful but am open to ideas on how to best handle. Maybe we should change the name of the section?RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Revelation Direct, there is a discussion regarding Somaliland ongoing on another template talk page here, where midday is also quite vocal. No need to go over the same ground twice regarding the inclusion of Somaliland. The standard is indeed de facto status. We should probably use this wikipedia FA quality page as our main reference: List of states with limited recognition As far as as the current layout on this page goes, I think a better course of action would be to include all these entities in their respective regions(east, north...), but indicate through italicizing or number reference, whether it is unrecognized/disputed or whatever diction we decide to use in the final product. Outback the koala (talk) 06:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
{{Navbox
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|title=[[List of African countries and territories|Countries]] and territories of [[Africa]]
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|groupstyle = background:transparent; text-align:left;
|liststyle = padding:0.25em 0; line-height:1.4em; <!--otherwise lists can appear to form continuous whole-->
|group1 = [[Image:LocationWesternAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Western Africa]] [[:Category:West Africa|West Africa]]
|list1 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Benin]]{{·w}} [[Burkina Faso]]{{·w}} [[Cape Verde]]{{·w}} [[Côte d'Ivoire]]{{·w}} [[The Gambia]]{{·w}} [[Ghana]]{{·w}} [[Guinea]]{{·w}} [[Guinea-Bissau]]{{·w}} [[Liberia]]{{·w}} [[Mali]]{{·w}} [[Mauritania]]{{·w}} [[Niger]]{{·w}} [[Nigeria]]{{·w}} [[Senegal]]{{·w}} [[Sierra Leone]]{{·w}} [[Togo]] {{nowrap end}}
|group2style = background:#f7f7f7;
|group2 = [[Image:LocationNorthernAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Northern Africa]] [[:Category:North Africa|North Africa]]
|list2 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Algeria]]{{·w}} [[Egypt]]{{·w}} [[Libya]]{{·w}} [[Mauritania]]{{·w}} [[Morocco]]{{·w}} ''[[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]]''{{·w}} [[Sudan]]{{·w}} [[Tunisia]] {{nowrap end}}
|group3 = [[Image:LocationCentralMiddleAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Central Africa]] [[:Category:Central Africa|Central Africa]]
|list3 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Angola]]{{·w}} [[Burundi]]{{·w}} [[Cameroon]]{{·w}} [[Central African Republic]]{{·w}} [[Chad]]{{·w}} [[Democratic Republic of the Congo]]{{·w}} [[Republic of the Congo]]{{·w}} [[Equatorial Guinea]]{{·w}} [[Gabon]]{{·w}} [[Rwanda]]{{·w}} [[São Tomé and Príncipe]] {{nowrap end}}
|group4style = background:#f7f7f7;
|group4 = [[Image:LocationEasternAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Eastern Africa]] [[:Category:East Africa|East Africa]]
|list4 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Burundi]]{{·w}} [[Comoros]]{{·w}} [[Djibouti]]{{·w}} [[Eritrea]]{{·w}} [[Ethiopia]]{{·w}} [[Kenya]]{{·w}} [[Madagascar]]{{·w}} [[Malawi]]{{·w}} [[Mauritius]]{{·w}} [[Mozambique]]{{·w}} [[Seychelles]]{{·w}} [[Somalia]]{{·w}} [[Tanzania]]{{·w}} [[Uganda]]{{·w}} [[Zambia]]{{·w}} [[Zimbabwe]] {{nowrap end}}
|group5 = [[Image:LocationSouthernAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Southern Africa]] [[:Category:Southern Africa|Southern Africa]]
|list5 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Botswana]]{{·w}} [[Lesotho]]{{·w}} [[Namibia]]{{·w}} [[South Africa]]{{·w}} [[Swaziland]] {{nowrap end}}
|group7style = background:#f7f7f7;
|group7 = {{pad|40px}}Other areas
|list7 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Scattered islands in the Indian Ocean|Iles Eparses]]{{\w}}[[Mayotte]]{{\w}}[[Réunion]] <small>(France)</small>{{·w}} [[Madeira]] <small>(Portugal)</small>{{·w}} [[Canary Islands]]{{\w}}[[Ceuta]]{{\w}}[[Melilla]]{{\w}}[[Spanish North Africa|Spanish Africa]] <small>(Spain)</small>{{·w}} [[Southern Sudan]] <small>(Sudan)</small>{{·w}} [[Zanzibar]] <small>(Tanzania)</small>{{·w}} [[Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha]] <small>(United Kingdom)</small>{{·w}} [[Socotra]] <small>(Yemen)</small>{{·w}} [[Western Sahara]] <small>(disputed)</small> {{nowrap end}}
|belowstyle = padding:0.3em 0 0.1em; line-height:1.3em;
|below = ''Italics'' indicate an [[List of states with limited recognition|unrecognised or partially recognised state]].
}}
My inclination would be to include Somaliland simply since it's seeking recognition, and because it fits in the category as an "unrecognised or partially recognised state". And because we've listed it on the very page those words link to. Night w (talk) 17:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Western Sahara & Simplifying TemplateNight, I like your premise about making the template less complicated and I've put some of your suggestions in the template. Using the template you referenced as a model has proved difficult though because it suffers from the same edit war as this one! Since Western Sahara is a geographical area (although one clearly in Northern Africa), I was thinking we list it as such with the multiple governments listed paranthetically after it like so. Western Sahara (Corcas, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic). While that lists both competing governments, Corcas maintains Western Sahara as part of Morocco, not a separate country. So, I'm thinking a reference under Morocco like this would be simple and even handed without listing non-countries (e.g. Western Sahara, Corcas): {{Navbox
|name = Countries of Africa
|state = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}
|title=[[List of African countries and territories|Countries]] and territories of [[Africa]]
|titlestyle = {{{titlestyle|}}}
|groupstyle = background:transparent; text-align:left;
|liststyle = padding:0.25em 0; line-height:1.4em; <!--otherwise lists can appear to form continuous whole-->
|group1 = [[Image:LocationWesternAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Western Africa]] [[:Category:West Africa|West Africa]]
|list1 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Benin]]{{·w}} [[Burkina Faso]]{{·w}} [[Cape Verde]]{{·w}} [[Côte d'Ivoire]]{{·w}} [[The Gambia]]{{·w}} [[Ghana]]{{·w}} [[Guinea]]{{·w}} [[Guinea-Bissau]]{{·w}} [[Liberia]]{{·w}} [[Mali]]{{·w}} [[Mauritania]]{{·w}} [[Niger]]{{·w}} [[Nigeria]]{{·w}} [[Senegal]]{{·w}} [[Sierra Leone]]{{·w}} [[Togo]] {{nowrap end}}
|group2style = background:#f7f7f7;
|group2 = [[Image:LocationNorthernAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Northern Africa]] [[:Category:North Africa|North Africa]]
|list2 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Algeria]]{{·w}} [[Egypt]]{{·w}} [[Libya]]{{·w}} [[Mauritania]]{{·w}} [[Morocco]] ''([[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]])''{{·w}} [[Sudan]]{{·w}} [[Tunisia]]{{nowrap end}}
|group3 = [[Image:LocationCentralMiddleAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Central Africa]] [[:Category:Central Africa|Central Africa]]
|list3 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Angola]]{{·w}} [[Burundi]]{{·w}} [[Cameroon]]{{·w}} [[Central African Republic]]{{·w}} [[Chad]]{{·w}} [[Democratic Republic of the Congo]]{{·w}} [[Republic of the Congo]]{{·w}} [[Equatorial Guinea]]{{·w}} [[Gabon]]{{·w}} [[Rwanda]]{{·w}} [[São Tomé and Príncipe]] {{nowrap end}}
|group4style = background:#f7f7f7;
|group4 = [[Image:LocationEasternAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Eastern Africa]] [[:Category:East Africa|East Africa]]
|list4 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Burundi]]{{·w}} [[Comoros]]{{·w}} [[Djibouti]]{{·w}} [[Eritrea]]{{·w}} [[Ethiopia]]{{·w}} [[Kenya]]{{·w}} [[Madagascar]]{{·w}} [[Malawi]]{{·w}} [[Mauritius]]{{·w}} [[Mozambique]]{{·w}} [[Seychelles]]{{·w}} [[Somalia]]{{·w}} [[Tanzania]]{{·w}} [[Uganda]]{{·w}} [[Zambia]]{{·w}} [[Zimbabwe]] {{nowrap end}}
|group5 = [[Image:LocationSouthernAfrica.png|40px|Map indicating Southern Africa]] [[:Category:Southern Africa|Southern Africa]]
|list5 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Botswana]]{{·w}} [[Lesotho]]{{·w}} [[Namibia]]{{·w}} [[South Africa]]{{·w}} [[Swaziland]] {{nowrap end}}
|group6style = background:#f7f7f7;
|group6 = {{pad|40px}}[[List of countries spanning more than one continent#Non-contiguous|Partially in Africa]]
|list6 = {{nowrap begin}} [[Scattered islands in the Indian Ocean|Iles Eparses]]{{\w}}[[Mayotte]]{{\w}}[[Réunion]] <small>([[France]])</small>{{·w}} [[Pantelleria]] <small>([[Italy]])</small>{{·w}} [[Madeira]] <small>([[Portugal]])</small>{{·w}} [[Canary Islands]]{{\w}}[[Ceuta]]{{\w}}[[Melilla]] <small>([[Spain]])</small>{{·w}} [[Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha]] <small>([[United Kingdom|UK]])</small>{{·w}} [[Socotra]] <small>([[Yemen]])</small> {{nowrap end}}
|belowstyle = padding:0.3em 0 0.1em; line-height:1.3em;
|below = ''Italics'' indicate an [[List of states with limited recognition|unrecognised or partially recognised state]].}}
Obviously, if that's a workable format, we could apply it to you-know-where. Whadya think?RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Centralised discussionA discussion is taking place here on how best to incorporate unrecognised states into a navigation template listing sovereign states and other entities. Some editors have suggested that including such states at all is pushing an imbalanced point of view. Others have made the same argument for not including them. Various conciliatory methods have been proposed, but have not acheived consensus. Editors should note that the outcome of this discussion will most likely have implications on this template aswell. For more information, please have a look at this casefile, or see the before-mentioned discussion page. Night w (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC) France and territoriesI note that right now, at the bottom is listed "Iles Eparses / Mayotte / Réunion (France)". However, this should be refined. Reunion is part of France. It should be listed separately from the territories and posessions. Also, along those lines, there needs to be some clarity between areas that are parts of countries (e.g. Reunion is part of France, Socotra is part of Yemen, the Canaries, Ceuta, and Melilla are part of Spain), and those that are non-governing territories (e.g. Saint Helena is a territory of the UK, but not part of it; Mayotte is not part of France). --Golbez (talk) 01:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Disputed AreasSurely the disputed areas line of the template should have more entries? Western Sahara is not the only disputed territory. Examples that spring immediately to mind are Cueta/Melilla, French Southern and Antarctic Lands, Mayotte, the Somali section of Ethiopia. Should they be added? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
(Outdent) How about Unrecognized sovereignty, as no country (except themselves) and no UN body explicitly recognizes either definitively as controlling the Western Sahara. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Zambia, ZimbabweJust noticed Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe lurking in East Africa. The articles put them in South Africa. Should I move them? --Redaktor (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Mayottemayotte won't be dependecy since 31 march —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.49.229.147 (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Southern SudanSouthern Sudan has become a separate country to Sudan (9th June) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.2.172.164 (talk) 18:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Delete Pantelleria (Italy)Could someone delete the island of Pantelleria from the African territories? Pantelleria is not located in Africa, but in between Sicily and the African continent. 85.56.136.168 (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I need your adviceIncidentally I noticed that section States with limited recognition does not listed Azawad. I wanted to add that entity, but then I noticed in history that it actually became a political issue. As far as I understand, problem is that section is named states with limited recognition while Azawad is not recognized at all. It is clear that such guidance might lead reader astray to the conclusion that someone recognize Azawad. Anyway, this same section has listed Somaliland which also is not recognized at all. I figured it's unintentional omission but I anyway went to see other examples. Template Sovereign states of Europe in section States with limited recognition have both states with limited recognition and unrecognized entities (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Transnistria) while in the case of Asia case there is also Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. I'd love to hear your opinion before I make new edits.Have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 17 October 2012
please add in the "Unclear Sovereignty" section: Bir Tawil 95.252.138.236 (talk) 03:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2016
Spelling mistake: "Orthogrpahic" should be "Orthographic" on line | image = [[File:Africa (orthographic projection).svg|120px|Orthogrpahic projection of Africa]] 85.225.193.140 (talk) 00:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Sovereignty of MadeiraWhilst disputing the very inclusion of Madeira in this template concerning countries of Africa, due to the lack of cultural, economic and political integration, this is not the issue at hand. Madeira is under the sovereign states section; The Autonomous Region of Madeira, whilst it does have an inherent autonomy from the Portuguese Republic, is generally and legally not considered a sovereign state; instead it is an autonomous region of the Portuguese Republic. Thus, I propose the relocation of the Madeira entry to the Territories and dependencies subdivision. ns_2 (talk) 21:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
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