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The IEM archive ONLY goes back to 2006. There are records of the SPC issuing PDS watches more than two decades prior to that (since 1982). If you happen to know where you can find PDS watch records prior to 2006, please either post them here or cite the list. 12.74.221.43 (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Flash Flood Watches?
I want to inform you that the particularly dangerous situation phrase was only used by certain NWS offices (mainly the Memphis one) and the Flash Flood Watch itself was largely deprecated in 2021 (it was consolidated into a Flood Watch except in cases of dam/levee failures, heavy rain over burn scars, or other non-rainfall related floods) 12.74.221.43 (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore; Flash Flood Watches were NEVER issued by the Storm Prediction Center (unlike severe thunderstorm and tornado watches) 12.74.221.43 (talk) 23:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s fine. They should still be included as they are PDS watches issued by the National Weather Service, which is what this list is for. SPC is a branch of the National Weather Service and obviously, if a NWS office issued a watch with the wording, that is also a watch issued by the National Weather Service. The opening sentence is “This is a list of "particularly dangerous situation" (PDS) watches issued by the National Weather Service.” That wording right there suits the usage for the lists. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page)18:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Continuing my reference list to all who may concern.
There were two PDS Tornado Watches in 2018. One on March 19; the other on April 13. 12.74.221.43 (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Partial oppose: the text itself conveys a lot of information about date of occurrence and the maximum rating of the tornadoes and the worst of the winds. I would be okay with removing the “Watch for…” section though to give more room for the graphics. But NOT every single column. 2601:5C5:4380:FD80:9C2B:BE3A:2C62:10D2 (talk) 13:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only exception to that being for Flash Flood Watches, since there isn’t any graphic produced. I think the “Watch for…” section may be able to stay there; since Flash Flood Watches can be issued for a variety of reasons. But on that section, a column on the maximum observed rainfall during the event might be necessary., 2601:5C5:4380:FD80:9C2B:BE3A:2C62:10D2 (talk) 13:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Since each hazard for each PDS watch is divided into 3 separate sentences on the SPC website (a tornado hazard, a wind hazard, and a hail hazard), should "Watch for..." be split into 3 columns for these threats (for PDS tornado watches and PDS severe thunderstorm watches)? It could clear up the slight differences between each entry (and establish a clear order of which hazards are listed in). 174.171.152.215 (talk) 15:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that section should be replaced with the graphic that used to be on here (see section above for more details) for Severe Thunderstorm Watches and Tornado Watches. And maybe leave it for Flash Flood Watches. 2601:5C5:4380:FD80:842E:D85C:F39B:604A (talk) 19:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From the looks of it, it seems the maximum tornado rating etc is given by the maximum recorded event that happened on that day. Since this is a list of watches, though, it should probably only apply to the highest tornado and maximum wind gust/hail size that occurred within the watch area. This would make things harder to parse out. I might ask the SPC if KMZ or shapefiles for the watches are available. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there are KMZ’s for at least the watch box outline are available from the SPC. If you’re looking for the counties, I’m pretty sure the IEM has ‘em too. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How should we handle PDS watches with archival issues being present?
I wanted to bring this discussion here, since archives for watches being stored only seem to go back to 2004, with PDS tornado watches having been issued since April 2, 1982. My personal idea for this is that there should be something mentioned in the article that record keeping for watches started in 2004, while the earliest PDS watch was issued in April 1982, listing that one as the earliest in the table, then listing the rest that are actually archived within the record keeping. Bringing this discussion here for other ideas for what should be done and how to handle this archive issue. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 20:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not very good at getting the table fixed right and finding sources for the wind/hail reports. This draft hasn’t been majorly edited save for a couple minor changes in over two months.
Honestly, I'm not interested in expanding this article, as the time to cite and finish each watch's table is so damn long, especially knowing that it's near impossible to finish some of these tables given the bad state of sourcing for certain reports, and hand-picking out PDS watches without an automated script of some kind is too much of a time investment. However, I wouldn't be opposed to a category for storm events with PDS watches. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well since I see this draft going defunct pretty rapidly; we should at least create a category for severe weather articles that triggered a PDS watch; and upload ALL PDS watch graphics from the SPC to Commons; preferably under its own category too. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 22:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
